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Title: The real war on drugs
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URL Source: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re ... af7d9f72745baf629c36beb1951940
Published: Jul 27, 2016
Author: paraclete
Post Date: 2016-07-27 22:36:43 by paraclete
Keywords: drugs
Views: 1918
Comments: 19

The Phillipine President has launched a real war on drugs, you cannot applaud his methods but he is effective, now how is it the shame war on drugs in the US hasn't been so effective. is it that americans just don't trust the cops?

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#1. To: paraclete (#0) (Edited)

According to police data, 293 suspected users and pushers were killed during police operations between July 1 and July 24. Human rights groups say this figure does not include countless people murdered by vigilantes in street executions.

Studies show, that drug dealers/users that are shot and killed are 100% less likely to repeat offend.

And Paultards bitch that we are tooooooo mean to drug criminals, and we are soft compared to this country.... and Paultards have the NERVE to wonder why we're losing the war on drugs.

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-07-27   23:07:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: GrandIsland (#1)

You are losing the war because you have turned it into an industry, the war on drugs employs thousand of people, if you used this method the war would be over and they would be out of work, first the prison guards, then the prosecutors and lastly the cops because they would be hunting for the murderers. You could decommission large numbers of prisons, turn them into holiday camps for illegal aliens

paraclete  posted on  2016-07-27   23:14:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: paraclete (#2)

Typical.

Look at all the money we'll save by legalizing drugs -- we can close entire prisons, fire the guards, close courtrooms, fire judges and prosecutors, and reduce the size of the police force! We'll save hundreds of billions of dollars!

Then we can go after the real criminals by hiring back the cops, opening courtrooms, hiring prosecutors and judges, hiring guards and opening prisons. Costing hundreds of billions of dollars.

Here's the deal. Legalize drugs and no money will be saved. No one will be fired. Nothing will be closed. And you're insane if you think the American people will vote to legalize all drugs.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-07-28   9:04:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: misterwhite (#3)

Legalize drugs and no money will be saved.

Either money will be saved, or law enforcement resources will be freed up to direct against real crimes with actual victims - a win either way.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-07-28   12:59:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: ConservingFreedom (#8)

"Either money will be saved, or law enforcement resources will be freed up to direct against real crimes with actual victims - a win either way."

In theory. Has it worked in practice?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-07-28   14:27:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: misterwhite (#10)

Has it worked in practice?

Where has it been put into practice?

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-07-28   15:59:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: ConservingFreedom (#11)

"Where has it been put into practice?"

In the states that decriminalized marijuana. In the states that legalized marijuana for medical use. In the states that legalized marijuana for recreational use.

Certainly those states are saving money because of reduced man-hours for police, prosecutors, judges and guards. Or by closing courtrooms, jails and prisons. They haven't?

Then (non-marijuana) crime must be way down since those resources have been redirected. One or the other, right?

And you have proof of this, right?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-07-28   17:35:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: misterwhite (#12)

In the states that decriminalized marijuana.

Not legalization.

In the states that legalized marijuana for medical use.

Also not legalization.

In the states that legalized marijuana for recreational use. [...] (non-marijuana) crime must be way down since those resources have been redirected.

Can't resist propping up a straw man - "WAY down" (emphasis added) - can you? There's an excellent chance non-marijuana crime - including non-marijuana drug crime - is down.

And you have proof of this, right?

You agreed with the theory ... so how did I get the burden of proof? Have any proof to the contrary?

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-07-28   17:43:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: ConservingFreedom (#13)

"You agreed with the theory"

No. I added that phrase to your statement since you conveniently left it out. I'd like to know if it worked in practice.

"In the states that decriminalized marijuana.
Not legalization.
In the states that legalized marijuana for medical use.
Also not legalization."

Both decriminalization and medical marijuana were sold to the public with those same promises.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-07-28   18:18:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#17. To: misterwhite (#14)

I added that phrase to your statement since you conveniently left it out.

What's the third option - the time cops and judges used to spend on drug cases they'd instead spend looking for Pokemon?

Both decriminalization and medical marijuana were sold to the public with those same promises.

Not by me.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-07-28 21:04:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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