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Title: Opinion: What America’s gun fanatics won’t tell you
Source: MarketWatch
URL Source: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/wh ... atics-wont-tell-you-2016-06-14
Published: Jun 18, 2016
Author: Brett Arends
Post Date: 2016-06-21 04:08:48 by buckeroo
Keywords: None
Views: 9499
Comments: 47

Can we please stop pretending that the Second Amendment contains an unfettered right for everyone to buy a gun? It doesn’t, and it never has. The claims made by the small number of extremists, before and after the Orlando, Fla., massacre, are based on a deliberate lie.

The Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution doesn’t just say Congress shall not infringe the right to “keep and bear arms.” It specifically says that right exists in order to maintain “a well-regulated militia.” Even the late conservative Supreme Court Associate Justice Antonin Scalia admitted those words weren’t in there by accident. Oh, and the Constitution doesn’t just say a “militia.” It says a “well-regulated” militia.

What did the Founding Fathers mean by that? We don’t have to guess because they told us. In Federalist No. 29 of the Federalist Papers, Alexander Hamilton explained at great length precisely what a “well-regulated militia” was, why the Founding Fathers thought we needed one, and why they wanted to protect it from being disarmed by the federal government.

The Second Amendment is an instrument of government. It’s not about hunting or gun collecting or carrying your pistol into the saloon.

And there’s a reason absolutely no gun extremist will ever direct you to that 1788 essay because it blows their baloney into a million pieces.

A “well-regulated militia” didn’t mean guys who read Soldier of Fortune magazine running around in the woods with AK-47s and warpaint on their faces. It basically meant what today we call the National Guard.

It should be a properly constituted, ordered and drilled (“well-regulated”) military force, organized state by state, explained Hamilton. Each state militia should be a “select corps,” “well-trained” and able to perform all the “operations of an army.” The militia needed “uniformity in … organization and discipline,” wrote Hamilton, so that it could operate like a proper army “in camp and field,” and so that it could gain the “essential … degree of proficiency in military functions.” And although it was organized state by state, it needed to be under the explicit control of the national government. The “well-regulated militia” was under the command of the president. It was “the military arm” of the government.

The one big difference between this militia and a professional army? It shouldn’t be made up of full-time professional soldiers, said the Founding Fathers. Such soldiers could be used against the people as King George had used his mercenary Redcoats. Instead, the American republic should make up its military force from part-time volunteers drawn from regular citizens. Such men would be less likely to turn on the population.

And the creation of this “well-regulated militia,” aka the National Guard, would help safeguard the freedom of the new republic because it would make the creation of a professional, mercenary army “unnecessary,” wrote Hamilton. “This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it,” he wrote.

That was the point. And that was why they wanted to make sure it couldn’t be disarmed by the federal government: So a future “tyrant” couldn’t disarm the National Guard, and then use a mercenary army to impose martial law.

The Founding Fathers didn’t call the republic’s new force an “army” because that term more than two centuries ago called to mind the British army, foreign mercenaries, tyrants and kings. So they said “militia” instead. But they meant a real body. Hamilton was scathing about the idea that the “militia” could just mean every Bob, Billy and Benjamin with his musket. Such amateurs would stand no chance in modern warfare against professionals, he wrote. And requiring every citizen to become a professional would be ridiculous, he said. It would be “a real grievance to the people, and a serious public inconvenience and loss,” he wrote. Taking people away from their work in order to train them “would form an annual deduction from the productive labor of the country.”

The Second Amendment is an instrument of government. It’s not about hunting or gun collecting or carrying your pistol into the saloon. The Founding Fathers left it up to us to pass sensible laws about all these things. The Constitution is about government.

Today we have a professional army, anyway. Military matters have become so complex that no part-time soldiers could do it all. So you could argue that makes the Second Amendment null and void, like the parts in the Constitution about slaves and Indians being counted as “three-fifths” of a person in the Census.

But even if you still want to defend the Second Amendment, it should apply only to those who volunteer to join the “select corps” of their National Guard, undergo rigorous training to attain “proficiency in military functions” and perform the “operations of an army,” serve as ordered under the ultimate command of the president and be subject to military discipline.

So if you’re running around waving your AK-47 under the Second Amendment, and you haven’t shown up yet at your local National Guard headquarters, you’re not a “patriot.” You’re a deserter.


The author is another phanatic liberal Jew.

Arends discusses: "Federalist No. 29" as though he is locked-jawed about the only consideration for the creation of the BILL OF RIGHTS. Arends is wrong, of course. The BILL OF RIGHTS was a requirement by the anti-federalists; so his reference is only meaningful when you consider a totally lame exploitation of America's education system.

'Well regulated' at the tyme of the BILL OF RIGHTS writing meant that amoung the states that all federal law was equal of and towards the states. There was nothing more to the intent of the phrase until today's liberal, authoritarian facists that profess TOTAL federal government control stole the idea as meaning lots of unnecessary federal bureaucracy, as though we are to be ruled by a king.

I often laff at those that argue that BILL OF RIGHTS is for federal government. That is far from the truth. The BILL OF RIGHTS was an EXCLUSION from federal government and was for and about state authority.

Arends has his head up his ass but you knew that already.

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#2. To: buckeroo (#0)

Federalist No. 29, and all of the Federalist Papers, are nothing but newspaper editorials from their time.

They have exactly the legal force as editorials in the New York Times.

Newspaper editorials, such as the Federalist Papers, are written by political partisans to public their point of view and try to persuade people. They are not legal documents. They are not "legislative history". They are newspaper editorials, and that's all they ever were.

It doesn't matter that together they are book length. It doesn't matter that as a people we revere the Founders. None of that elevates their political opinions in newspaper editorials of the time to the level of law. (This cuts all ways.)

The Federalist Papers give us a good idea of what some men of the leading men of the time thought. And yet, soon we had a Constitution, and we DIDN'T then proceed to restrict guns as Hamilton would have wished.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-06-21   8:21:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Vicomte13 (#2)

The Federalist Papers give us a good idea of what some men of the leading men of the time thought.

The Federalist Papers were written by Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Jay -- three of the Founding Fathers. Additionally, James Madison was the author of the U.S. Constitution. Meaning their comments offer much insight as to the original intent of that document.

The second amendment was written to protect the existence of well-regulated state militias. At the time, there was no federal army, nor did the Founders want one (for obvious reasons).

But the War of 1812 demonstrated a need for a standing federal army and, at that point, militias became moot. But the second amendment still protects well- regulated state militias like the Texas State Guard and State Militias in 21 other states.

Your individual right to keep and bear arms outside of the militia is protected by your state constitution. The Heller court ruled otherwise, but they were wrong.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-06-21   10:00:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: misterwhite (#5)

Your individual right to keep and bear arms outside of the militia is protected by your state constitution.

Now subject to being modified or overruled by federal judges. Just like the morons wanted.

Roscoe  posted on  2016-06-21   11:13:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Roscoe, misterwhite, Nolu Chan, grandisland, gatlin, y'all canary's (#7)

misterwhite (#5) --- Your individual right to keep and bear arms outside of the militia is protected by your state constitution.

Now subject to being modified or overruled by federal judges. Just like the morons wanted . --- Roscoe

misterwhite, at (#5) Pretends that your individual right to keep and bear arms outside of the militia is protected by your state constitution. -- IT IS NOT, as anyone that lives California or the other states infringing on the right can testify.

Moron Roscoe claims that our constitutional rights are now subject to being modified or overruled by federal judges. Just like the morons wanted, -- when of course, judges at ANY LEVEL have never had that power. -- They try, but eventually their infringements are shot down by the political process.

As we will see by a Trump election.

tpaine  posted on  2016-06-21   18:06:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: tpaine (#11) (Edited)

judges at ANY LEVEL have never had that power. --

Judges have no method to enforce their rulings. Their "decisions" are toothless decrees. The executive branch is under no obligation to obey or enforce their opinions.

Presidents have ignored them, and will most likely continue to do so whenever they feel like it.

Hondo68  posted on  2016-06-21   18:23:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: hondo68 (#12)

The executive branch is under no obligation to obey or enforce their opinions.

President Eisenhower, and U.S. Army’s 101st Airborne Division informed Governor Orval Faubus differently.

Presidents have ignored them, and will most likely continue to do so whenever they feel like it.

Some presidents have acted unlawfully.

Why did President Nixon give up his tapes? SCOTUS has ruled unanimously and Congress was going to impeach and remove him if he refused to comply.

nolu chan  posted on  2016-06-22   14:58:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: nolu chan, Hondo68, Y'ALL (#20)

Judges have no method to enforce their rulings. Their "decisions" are toothless decrees. The executive branch is under no obligation to obey or enforce their opinions.

Presidents have ignored them, and will most likely continue to do so whenever they feel like it.

hondo68

In reply, our resident phony law expert replies: ---

President Eisenhower, and U.S. Army’s 101st Airborne Division informed Governor Orval Faubus differently.

Of course he did, because he AGREED with the SCOTUS, even though he was under no OBLIGATION to do so.

I doubt that you're quite this dumb, Chan, -- which makes you a purposeful propagandist.. A pitiful liar.

tpaine  posted on  2016-06-22   15:39:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: tpaine (#21)

Of course he did, because he AGREED with the SCOTUS, even though he was under no OBLIGATION to do so.

And Nixon handed over the tapes because he AGREED with the SCOTUS, even though he was under no OBLIGATION to do so. Right on.

Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. 137 (1803)

It is emphatically the duty of the Judicial Department to say what the law is.

Cooper v Aaron, 358 US 1 (1958)

It follows that the interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment enunciated by this Court in the Brown case is the supreme law of the land, and Art. VI of the Constitution makes it of binding effect on the States “any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.” Every state legislator and executive and judicial officer is solemnly committed by oath taken pursuant to Art. VI, cl. 3, “to support this Constitution.”

It is the duty of the judiciary to say what the law is. The Supreme Court interpretation of the Constitution is the supreme law of the land. Every state legislator and executive and judicial officer is solemnly committed by oath to support the Constitution.

Per Article II of the Constitution, the President

Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

And,

he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed

The Constitution, and the rest of the laws, are what the judiciary says they are. It is not up to the douchebaggery of tpaine. And the President is lawfully required to obey the laws as interpreted by the judiciary.

nolu chan  posted on  2016-06-23   17:39:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: nolu chan (#22)

The Supreme Court interpretation of the Constitution is the supreme law of the land.

Completely wrong, -- our Constitution is the supreme law of the land,-- And the SCOTUS interpretations or opinions cannot change the constitution.

Every state legislator and executive and judicial officer is solemnly committed by oath to support the Constitution.

Per Article II of the Constitution, the President: ---

Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United State's."

The Constitution, and the rest of the laws, are what the judiciary says they are. --- And the President is lawfully required to obey the laws as interpreted by the judiciary.

You cannot quote any constitutional basis for your opinion above. -- Our President is required by oath to defend the Constitution itself, NOT opinions about or interpretations of the document.

We live in a constitutional republic, and are not ruled by our judicial branch.

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#27. To: tpaine (#26)

+10

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