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Title: You Can't Hack Me
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Published: May 24, 2016
Author: Hillary Clinton
Post Date: 2016-05-24 22:45:50 by buckeroo
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#1. To: buckeroo (#0)

Nothing follows

Nothing follows in your cheery hypothetical about Hillary, but what follows with Donald Trump as president is the realization that he has the interests of America at heart. He genuinely believes in his need to fight for the country he loves. You need to genuinely believe in Donald Trump because there once was a time when people could actually feel proud to be Americans, and Trump will bring back that feeling.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-25   1:41:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Gatlin (#1)

Nothing follows in your cheery hypothetical about Hillary ...

Naw. The US Government won't prosecute Clinton for her wanton disregard of US Government law mandating her use of government means of electronic interchange of communication as opposed to private means. She is getting off scott free and therefore, nothing follws.

but what follows with Donald Trump as president is the realization that he has the interests of America at heart.

Oh HORSESHIT!

He genuinely believes in his need to fight for the country he loves.

Really? Exactly when did this paradigm shift occur?

You need to genuinely believe in Donald Trump because there once was a time when people could actually feel proud to be Americans, and Trump will bring back that feeling.

I prefer believing in the Great Pumpkin, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and my dead dawg Scruffy over Trump.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-25   10:07:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: buckeroo (#3) (Edited)

The US Government won't prosecute Clinton for her wanton disregard of US Government law mandating her use of government means of electronic interchange of communication as opposed to private means. She is getting off scott free and therefore, nothing follws.

You are pointing out just one more of many reasons to elect Trump, he is for “law and order.”

Trump recently said:

"Baltimore has been set back 35 years in one night because the police weren’t allowed to protect people. We need law and order! I know cities where police are afraid to even talk to people because they want to be able to retire and have their pension,” Trump said. He also said, “they don’t want to be pulled off the police forces. And then you wonder what’s wrong with our cities. We need a whole new mind-set.”
Donald Trump has that “whole new mind-set.”

GO TRUMP!!!

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-25   11:34:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Gatlin (#7)

Donald Trump has that “whole new mind-set.”

You mean to say: Donald Trump has that “whole new mind-set” into 21st century fascism.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-25   13:15:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: buckeroo (#9)

Donald Trump has that “whole new mind-set.”

You mean to say: Donald Trump has that “whole new mind-set” into 21st century fascism.

No, I said what I meant to say.

I said: Donald Trump has that “whole new mind-set.”

You need to work on that comprehension problem.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-25   13:21:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Gatlin (#10)

He has a "whole new mind-set?” Cite an example that is not an element of Fascism.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-25   13:24:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: buckeroo (#11)

... Cite an example that is not an element of Fascism.

Bringing up fascism, which is meant to conjure up thoughts of Hitler, is a thoroughly dishonest way to approach a political discussion. It is a useless attempt to play on the emotions and insinuate negative actions. Come on, you are not such an idiot that you cannot recognize that we are not dealing with the Third Reich … uh, are you? You have even a far less proposition if you are relating to the Latin fascists of the 1930s, since they were merely a footnote in history. Calling someone a fascist has evolved to emotional blackmail … and it us usually reserved for use by a person with limited intelligence.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-25   13:58:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Gatlin (#12)

Bringing up fascism, which is meant to conjure up thoughts of Hitler ...

Right out of the box you have poor assumptions. Trump wants to force his idea of America on the underlings that vote for him; this is not a democratic process.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-25   17:14:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: buckeroo (#16)

Trump wants to force his idea of America on the underlings that vote for him; this is not a democratic process.

You are mistaken. We do not have a “democratic process.” We have a “representative democracy process.”

In a way you can understand, I will try to explain to you that a “representative democracy” is a type of government where all qualified citizens vote on representatives to pass laws for them. We have the perfect example of this in the U.S., where we elect a president and members of the Congress in hopes they will do what’s best for the nation. There are several conditions for a “representative democracy” to work. Donald Trump is meeting those conditions. There has to be an opportunity for genuine competition in the selection of leadership … there has been. Then, there has to be free communication, both among the people and in the press … there has been. The U.S., of course, is one of the oldest and most stable representative democracies in the world. The U.S. is a federal republic in which a large central government co-exists with smaller state governments.

Now that I have educated you, I will explain how Trump is involved in this “representative democracy process.” He is running for president and he is not forcing his idea of America on anyone, or forcing anyone to vote for him. What you are trying to say is that Trump is coercing people. Coercion is essentially the overwhelming of the will of another. Trump is not doing this. You are mistaking his confidence for coercion. Trump has confidence, there can be no doubt about this … he has an abundance of it. Because he is so confident, he merely states truthfully and emphatically what he believes in and what he can do. He does it with great enthusiasm and strong heartfelt conviction, not coercion (force).

Please let me know if you have any additional problem understanding what is going on. I will be more that happy to take time to again straighten you out. With your limited knowledge of the process, I can easily understand why you will be voting for your dog, Scruffy.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-25   18:42:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Gatlin (#18)

“representative democracy”

In American political circles, the inner sanctum selects your candidate.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-25   20:28:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: buckeroo (#21)

In American political circles, the inner sanctum selects your candidate.

The "inner sanctum" selected Donald Trump as my candidate? That's wonderful. The inner sanctum significantly and consistently exceed all my expectations by producing such a virtuous man who is wisely free from perplexities and bold to be free from fear with the ability to “go where no man has gone before.” Donald Trump, you are the MAN!

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-25   21:11:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Gatlin (#24)

Donald Trump, you are the MAN!

"Make America Great Again!"

How? More war in the ME? Recreating a military that is already the largest among all nations?

Do you notice when you pay your homage to "the MAN," that he says "again?" America became the greate3st power the world has ever seen by winning WW2. The world was in chaos and America rose from the ruins. That was when "America was great;" it was about war and the spoils of war. And that is the only way America may become "great again."

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-25   23:12:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone, GrandIsland (#26) (Edited)

Do you notice when you pay your homage to "the MAN," that he says "again?" America became the greate3st power the world has ever seen by winning WW2. The world was in chaos and America rose from the ruins. That was when "America was great;" it was about war and the spoils of war. And that is the only way America may become "great again."

Do you notice that you said America “was great” and America may become “great again.” You did say that and you are now in complete agreement with Donald Trump and the majority of Americans.

Millions of American have become increasingly worried about our country. In surveys dating back 40 years, for the first time a majority of Americans (53 percent) now believe that the U.S. plays a less important and powerful role as a world leader than it once did. Even more Americans (70 percent) think the U.S. is less respected now than in the past.

Donald Trump is so popularly accepted because he shares the views of the majority of Americans and speaks to their needs. In that our country has lost respect and influence in the world because of a combination of events, leadership and the growth of other nations in the world has weakened our position to lead and negotiate fair trade deals.

Bucky, you live in a fantasy Paultard world. It is time for you to leave your fantasy Paultard world and move back to the real American world. If you repent and if you are sincere, then I will give you a letter of recommendation and you will be welcomed. I am truly a magnanimous person who can be so very generous and forgiving. You need to get to knw me better.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-26   5:02:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Gatlin (#29)

Donald Trump is so popularly accepted because he shares the views of the majority of Americans and speaks to their needs.

"Might makes right." Yeah, typical slogan of a 21st century fascist. We got your ticket.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-26   20:54:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: buckeroo (#33)

Donald Trump is so popularly accepted because he shares the views of the majority of Americans and speaks to their needs.

"Might makes right." Yeah, typical slogan of a 21st century fascist.

“Might makes right.” Nah, it’s the “will of the people” that makes right. We are living in a very intense and very responsible time of our political existence. The American people are very angry. There is anger at the lack of jobs, anger over class warfare, anger at political correctness, anger at the mainstream media, anger at losing job security and employer-based health care. But more importantly, the majority of Americans are angry that a way of life they have known is now slipping away never to return.

To tap into this anger and because he deeply shares the feeling of the majority of Americans, along came Donald Trump. The majority of Americans realize they have never encountered a person like Donald Trump. Trump sounds a call to all discontented Americans, and they responded in great numbers. Trump’s message to the discontented masses has at times been blunt, crass and even vulgar. But he continues to get attention by expressing the anger. Trump has cemented his status as his own man and he has without question tapped into the spirit of anger felt by the majority of Americans.

You need to stop trying to deny or suppress the inevitability of Trump becoming president by attempting to dismiss Trump as a fascist. Start to respect the “will of the people” and let them decide who their leader will be. Remember, it is not that “might makes right” … it is the “will of the people” that makes right.

We got your ticket.

Great! Then you can validate it because I will be voting a straight Republican ticket with Donald Trump at the top, leading the way to renewed prosperity for America.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-26   22:32:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Gatlin, Orange Tranny (#35) (Edited)

a straight Republican

He wuz hacked!

Hondo68  posted on  2016-05-26   23:19:23 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: hondo68 (#36)

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-27   0:08:10 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Gatlin (#38) (Edited)

"I think it's a great time to start a mortgage company," ... "the real estate market is going to be very strong for a long time to come."

"who know more about financing than me?"

--Donald Trump

 

WHY TRUMP MORTGAGE FAILED

AND WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU


 

 

VxH  posted on  2016-05-27   12:32:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: VxH (#51)

Yawn, trump lives in a beautiful suite in trump towers, and you live in a double wide that the illegals rejected.

TRUMP 2016

calcon  posted on  2016-05-27   15:53:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: calcon (#52)

you live in a double wide that the illegals rejected.

Nope.

Why did Trump mortgage FAIL?

VxH  posted on  2016-05-27   16:37:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: VxH, calcon (#55)

Why did Trump mortgage FAIL?

Trump never looks back at failures and neither should you. You should look forward and recognize that Trump embodies the purity of a certain kind of bold, no-apologies approach. It’s as though he is Zen-like in his clear-headed refusal to get sidetracked or bogged down in small details. He just keep on moving forward to the next challenge. There’s something so refreshing about that … don’t you agree”

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-27   17:13:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Gatlin (#58)

Trump never looks back at failures and neither should you. You should look forward and recognize that Trump embodies the purity of a certain kind of bold, no-apologies approach. It’s as though he is Zen-like in his clear-headed refusal to get sidetracked or bogged down in small details.

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Deckard  posted on  2016-05-27   19:15:11 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Deckard (#60)

It is time to stop trying to be a smartass and look very seriously at the Trump candidacy. The rise of Donald Trump is not at all surprising. He is at the head of a very angry movement consisting of scores of millions of Americans who feel their country has been taken from them and mismanaged.

You are frenzied with your misplaced animosity towards Trump, and your hysteria is becoming extremely vociferous and utterly desperate as he steps outside the normal parameters of political discourse. Your wild posts conjure up the picture of you foaming at the mouth. Your stupid cartoon gif mocking Trump and your preoccupation with unserious matters are simplistic and moronic.

Some of you Paultards are so desperate and can think of no way to stop the Trump movement that the only thing you can do is continually accuse Trump of being on the brink of fascism. You do so while not stopping to realize that fascists are identified with the lawlessness, mob rule, racism, physical intimidation and the violent overthrow of democracy … none of which Trump supports of advocates. You are just frightened little people shooting off your mouths out of ignorance.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-27   21:25:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Gatlin (#62)

It is time to stop trying to be a smartass and look very seriously at the Trump candidacy.

Let me put this into language even a simpleton like you can understand.

Trump is an insane, greedy megalomaniac. He cares only for his bottom line.

He's a circus side-show attraction, and he's fooled you rubes who worship the ground he walks on.

The guy is a flake, has no self-control and will say anything and make promises that he has no intention of keeping.

You Trump-ettes are a real hoot!

Deckard  posted on  2016-05-27   23:50:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Deckard (#74) (Edited)

Let me put this into language even a simpleton like you can understand.

Trump is an insane, greedy megalomaniac. He cares only for his bottom line.

It's Trump or Clinton, unless Trump gets Bobby Kennedied. That's the way it is. Do you want to see that Clinton monster become commander in chief? Everyone that is paying attention knows what a Hillary Rodham Clinton "presidency" has in store.

In case you missed it, here is an excellent analysis of the Trump thing

Donald Trump: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2016/03/11/donald-trump-good-bad-ugly/

Trump or Clinton. That's the choice your fellow "countrymen" have presented you with. America is dead. A vote for the wicked witch will finish her off. A vote for Trump is a hail mary. It's all we have.

Trump says "Why can't we be friends with Russia?" Who else has said that?

TODAY YOUR GOVERNMENT SPENT $200 MILLION DOLLARS FIGHTING A BUNCH OF RENEGADES IN TOYOTAS. DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A GOOD INVESTMENT? costofwar.com

Will Clinton stop the biggest ripoff in history? Not a chance in hell, where she belongs

Operation 40  posted on  2016-05-28   1:35:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Operation 40 (#93)

Is that the same Justin Raimondo who wrote this?

To begin with, Trump has taken a number of positions I cannot endorse:

  • He wants to increase domestic surveillance in the name of fighting the “war on terrorism.” At once point he suggested we would have to shut down “parts of the internet.”
  • He advocates torture of alleged terrorists and says he would murder their families.
  • While opposing US intervention in Syria – he once asked Bill O’Reilly “Do you want to own Syria?” – he now says he wants to create a “safe zone” in Syria so the refugees don’t have to come here. Call me crazy, but that looks like military intervention to me.
  • He wants to deport 11 million illegal aliens, an operation that – assuming it isn’t stopped by the courts – would be inevitably ugly and provoke massive resistance.

But that’s just the beginning of my objections to Trump the candidate. After all, one could conceivably overlook these flaws in the name of changing the general orientation of US foreign policy. And yet, in the case of Trump, even that possibility is foreclosed by his unreliability.

While Trump conceives of his “flexibility” as emblematic of his ability to make a “good deal,” the reality is that he flip flops all over the place. One minute he’s totally against going into Syria, and the next minute he’s constructing “safe zones.” His mercurial nature is on display for all to see: once in office, it’s entirely possible he could do anything.

Deckard  posted on  2016-05-28   11:33:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Deckard (#96)

He wants to deport 11 million illegal aliens, an operation that – assuming it isn’t stopped by the courts – would be inevitably ugly and provoke massive resistance.

On what basis would the courts claim jurisdiction and stop the deportation required to be deported pursuant to federal law?

A deportation hearing is not a trial. It is a purely civil proceeding and the protections that apply to a criminal proceeding are not observed.

About all it takes is for the adherence to due process, dotting the i's and crossing the t's. There must still be a fair hearing. There is not much to be proven with an undocumented immigrant. As such immigrant did not pass through immigration authorities, he has no status whatever, akin to the post-war freedman (former slave). The undocumented immigrant can leave the country and return lawfully to obtain status. As with the freedmen, the undocumented immigrants could be made citizens by constitutional amendment. As with the freedmen, the undocumented immigrant is not eligible for naturalization because he is not an alien, lawfully present in the United States.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/468/1032/

INS v Lopez-Mendoza, 468 US 1032 (1984)

U.S. Supreme Court

INS v. Lopez-Mendoza, 468 U.S. 1032 (1984)

INS v. Lopez-Mendoza

No. 83-491

Argued April 18, 1984

Decided July 5, 1984

468 U.S. 1032

Syllabus

Respondent Mexican citizens were ordered deported by an Immigration Judge. Respondent Lopez-Mendoza unsuccessfully objected to being summoned to the deportation hearing following his allegedly unlawful arrest by an Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) agent, but he did not object to the receipt in evidence of his admission, after the arrest, of illegal entry into this country. Respondent Sandoval-Sanchez, who also admitted his illegal entry after being arrested by an INS agent, unsuccessfully objected to the evidence of his admission offered at the deportation proceeding, contending that it should have been suppressed as the fruit of an unlawful arrest. The Board of Immigration Appeals (BIA) affirmed the deportation orders. The Court of Appeals reversed respondent Sandoval-Sanchez' deportation order, holding that his detention by INS agents violated the Fourth Amendment, that his admission of illegal entry was the product of this detention, and that the exclusionary rule barred its use in a deportation proceeding. The court vacated respondent Lopez-Mendoza's deportation order and remanded his case to the BIA to determine whether the Fourth Amendment had been violated in the course of his arrest.

Held:

1. A deportation proceeding is a purely civil action to determine a person's eligibility to remain in this country. The purpose of deportation is not to punish past transgressions, but rather to put an end to a continuing violation of the immigration laws. Consistent with the civil nature of a deportation proceeding, various protections that apply in the context of a criminal trial do not apply in a deportation hearing. Pp. 468 U. S. 1038-1039.

2. The "body" or identity of a defendant in a criminal or civil proceeding is never itself suppressible as the fruit of an unlawful arrest, even if it is conceded that an unlawful arrest, search, or interrogation occurred. On this basis alone, the Court of Appeals' decision as to respondent Lopez-Mendoza must be reversed, since he objected only to being summoned to his deportation hearing after an allegedly unlawful arrest, and did not object to the evidence offered against him. The mere fact of an illegal arrest has no bearing on a subsequent deportation hearing. Pp. 468 U. S. 1039-1040.

Page 468 U. S. 1033

3. The exclusionary rule does not apply in a deportation proceeding; hence, the rule does not apply so as to require that respondent Sandoval-Sanchez' admission of illegal entry after his allegedly unlawful arrest be excluded from evidence at his deportation hearing. Under the balancing test applied in United States v. Janis, 428 U. S. 433, whereby the likely social benefits of excluding unlawfully obtained evidence are weighed against the likely costs, the balance comes out against applying the exclusionary rule in civil deportation proceedings. Several factors significantly reduce the likely deterrent value of the rule in such proceedings. First, regardless of how the arrest of an illegal alien is effected, deportation will still be possible when evidence not derived directly from the arrest is sufficient to support deportation. Second, based on statistics indicating that over 97.7 percent of illegal aliens agree to voluntary deportation without a formal hearing, every INS agent knows that it is unlikely that any particular arrestee will end up challenging the lawfulness of his arrest in a formal deportation hearing. Third, the INS has its own comprehensive scheme for deterring Fourth Amendment violations by its agents. And finally, the deterrent value of the exclusionary rule in deportation proceedings is undermined by the availability of alternative remedies for INS practices that might violate Fourth Amendment rights. As to the social costs of applying the exclusionary rule in deportation proceedings, they would be high. In particular, the application of the rule in cases such as respondent Sandoval-Sanchez' would compel the courts to release from custody persons who would then immediately resume their commission of a crime through their continuing, unlawful presence in this country, and would unduly complicate the INS's deliberately simple deportation hearing system. Pp. 468 U. S. 1040-1050.

705 F.2d 1059, reversed.

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