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Title: Will a Trump presidency really change anything for the better?
Source: Personal Liberty
URL Source: http://personalliberty.com/will-a-t ... hange-anything-for-the-better/
Published: Mar 15, 2016
Author: Brandon Smith
Post Date: 2016-05-06 08:57:21 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 15395
Comments: 107

Trump at campaign rally

I want to start this analysis by stating that I fully understand the whirlwind of public interest in Donald Trump’s campaign. However, for those that don’t get it, let me break it down for you.

A considerable portion of the American population considers themselves “conservative.” More than 38 percent of U.S. citizens, according to Gallup, hold conservative political and social views. Only 24 percent of the public considers themselves “liberal.” Now, I realize that the term “conservative” means different things to different people, so I would apply a simple rule to categorize them — a conservative is easiest to identify by his or her distaste for normally liberal ideological views. Beyond that, different factions of conservatives disagree on a whole host of issues.

The goal of any conservative candidate that hopes to be publicly “popular,” whether he actually intends to follow through with his promises or not, is to appear to be all things to all factions; to avoid alienating one faction to appease another. After he is elected (or, after he is placed in the oval office by the powers that be), he may abandon any care for appeasing any of his constituents. Until then, he plays the game so that Americans can maintain faith in the system for at least one moment every four years.

Trump’s popularity is predicated on the fact that past Republican candidates have done little to make friends with true conservatives and have not sought alliances with the factions of conservatism that have been growing in momentum and power the past two decades. In fact, the Republican candidates presented to the citizenry in recent memory have all had characteristics more akin to liberal Democrats than conservative stalwarts. Mitt Romney, for instance, was essentially a carbon copy of Barack Obama in terms of political policy and voting record, with only slightly greasier complexion and equally mysterious religious background.

Election after election, conservative Americans have been offered one RINO (Republican In Name Only) candidate after another: politicians whose rhetoric sounds principled but whose record is littered with big government policies, constitutional violations, and a disregard for the intentions of the founding fathers. You cannot call yourself a “conservative” in America unless you respect the tenets of limited government, constitutional law, and a regard for the heritage of our founding principles. U.S. conservatives have not had a candidate sharing their views for a long time.

Democrats may finally be experiencing a similar disenchantment with establishment candidates considering the surprising popularity of Bernie Sanders this election. The problem is, democrats are trapped in the big government mindset and are for the most part a lost cause. Their anti-establishment candidate is a self-categorized socialist, after all. The only hope for a constitutional small government candidate and a return our founding principles in politics rests in the hands of Republicans, being that third parties are quashed before they get a chance to put their foot in the door.

So, you have most if not all Democratic candidates working for bigger more powerful government which leads to increased corruption and less liberty. You also have most Republicans working for bigger and more powerful government and less liberty. And you have few, if any, candidates that represent the majority of voters seeking limited constitutional government.

Those of us in the liberty movement call this the “false left/right paradigm. It is the most insidious form of social control present in our nation and it makes a mockery of the election process. That is to say, elections are now nothing more than a way for international financiers and elites to keep the masses in line by allowing them to believe (falsely) that they have a “choice” and thus power to determine the future of our country. In fact, our choice is contrived and we have no political power whatsoever. The rest of America is finally starting to become aware of the false paradigm that liberty proponents have been warning about for generations. Is it any wonder that people are becoming fed up with the system?

The genius of Donald Trump as an election figure is that he has little to no political history. He does not have an extensive legislative or voting record that we can look back on and determine where he stands. His political affiliations have been all over the place with him identifying as a Democrat at one time, Republican at other times, and even independent. Most of us cannot really judge his potential based on this. Hell, I was a registered Democrat early in my life, so how can I hold it against Trump?

Beyond Trump’s rather disturbing past affiliation and friendship with the Clintons, he is otherwise a blank political slate. And as a blank slate, Trump can in fact present himself as all things to all people.

The other ingenious aspect of the Trump campaign is really who he is running against — Hillary Clinton, a liberal candidate even more hated than Barack Obama. A candidate with a potentially serious criminal record and a penchant for an outright communistic world view. Those of us who have been in the writing field for a long time and have dabbled in fiction know that in order to create a fantastic hero, you must first put even more work into creating a fantastic villain. The hero is nothing without the villain.

The outright horror inherent in the prospect of a Hillary Clinton presidency is like adding jet fuel to the Trump campaign.

Donald Trump appears to be the perfect antithesis to Hillary Clinton. He is loud and boisterous and a bit obnoxious. He trash talks and says whatever he wants to the torment of liberals. He stomps on the throats of the political correctness police and doesn’t care if they call him a racist or a sexist or a misogynist. And, Americans love it. They can’t get enough of it.

Conservatives are so tired of cultural Marxism, leftist domination of media, forced immigration policies and the protection of illegal immigration, paying for social entitlement programs, etc., that they are ready to explode. They are, in fact, ready to go to war. I would even dare to say that a Clinton presidency would lead directly to guaranteed outright civil war. This is not an exaggeration.

So, the real question is, is Trump a reflection of the frustration and defiance of the conservative population, or, is he a clever ruse by the establishment to co-opt and placate the conservative population before we rebel?

Again, without much political background to examine, Trump is a mystery. If Trump is a legitimate anti-establishment candidate, then here are some of the actions he would have to pursue in order to prove it:

  1. The complete reversal of every unconstitutional Obama Administration and Bush Administration executive order.
  2. The pursuit of removal of the indefinite detention provisions and secret tribunals contained in the NDAA.
  3. The removal of FISA, and the end of the invasion of privacy and other violations of the 4th Amendment by the NSA against American citizens.
  4. The end of secretive executive powers of assassination, including the assassination of American citizens without trial.
  5. The dismantling of the Department of Homeland Security in light of abuses of constitutional limits.
  6. The complete reversal of Obamacare.
  7. The immediate end to all refugee relocation programs related to the Middle East and Syria.
  8. The true enforcement of illegal immigration laws and border controls.
  9. The encouragement of states to assert their right to protect their borders based on the 10th Amendment.
  10. An immediate call for an independent investigation into the immigration policies of the Obama Administration.
  11. An immediate independent investigation into the Benghazi attacks.
  12. An immediate independent investigation into the ATF’s “Fast and Furious” gun running program.
  13. An immediate independent investigation into the involvement of covert intelligence agencies and the Department of Defense in the funding and training of ISIS.
  14. An immediate call for an independent investigation of corruption within the election process itself, as well as the influence of international banks and corporations in the election process.
  15. The removal of unfair restrictions that prevent third party and independent candidates from participation in public debates.
  16. An immediate call for an investigative audit of the Federal Reserve as well as the pursuit of dismantling the fed and transitioning America back into constitutional sound money creation.
  17. An investigation into U.S. relations with the International Monetary Fund, World Bank, and the Bank of International Settlements with the intention of ending all ties to said organizations if and when criminal conduct is discovered.
  18. An end to the revolving door of banking elites cycling through various cabinet positions within the White House.
  19. An immediate investigation into the influence of international financiers and globalist think tanks like the Council On Foreign Relations and their efforts to destroy the national sovereignty of the U.S.
  20. The end of globalization of U.S. foreign policy and economic policy which has weakened America, and the return to a more independent and self reliant American economic and defense infrastructure.

I’m sure that readers can think of many other potential actions that would help to prove beyond a doubt that Donald Trump is the kind of anti-establishment firebrand he presents himself to be. If Trump does take such measures during his presidency, then he may be a president worth supporting, or even fighting for. If he pursues few or none of these measures, however, we can be relatively certain he is just another establishment puppet playing his part in the false left/right paradigm leading America toward oblivion.

Whatever Trump is, his popularity does indicate a rising tide of discontent within the U.S. The insane circus atmosphere of election 2016 is no coincidence; it is a perfect representation of the overflowing tensions that permeate our culture and are leading to potential earth shattering conflict. Keep in mind that America’s economic situation was already decided back in 2008 and will only become worse as we move into the election season. Whatever tensions we see now will only multiply as financial crisis becomes more apparent to the masses.

The idea that a Trump presidency will change much of anything is a rather farfetched one in my view. Trump’s popularity only suggests that people are seeking alternatives. The damage to America has for the most part already been done, and there will be no avoiding the consequences. That said, how we rebuild can still be determined. No political leader including Trump will ever be able to heal the American system or the American psyche, but the efforts of millions of independent and liberty minded Americans can. We have a long and terrible struggle ahead of us, but to look at it from an “optimistic” perspective, at least Americans are becoming sick of the status quo. That is a start.

 — Brandon Smith(1 image)

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

Tow things, if a Trump President were not going to change things, I would not be wasting my time running for the school board.

Second, if the Trump Presidency were not going to change things, Bush, Romeny, Ryan, Limbaugh, Beck, Levin and Cruzites would not so hate him.

`eth yalad `eth muwth.

BobCeleste  posted on  2016-05-06   9:17:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Deckard (#0) (Edited)

Will a Trump presidency really change anything for the better?

I want to ask is this a seriosu question? All politics is the art of compromise, That trump may think he can circumvent this process to his will is a serious self deception

let us think for a moment

Trump will build a wall at the cost of Billions of Dollars

Trump will deport milions of aliens

Trump will bar the entry of aliens on religious grounds

Trump will unilaterally alter the relationship with allies

Trump will repeal Obamacare replacing it with a one biller system

Trump will unilaterally alter trade agreements

Trump will bring back jobs

Trump will raise trade barriers

Trump will preside over the greatest decline in US prosperity in decades

The fact is the US is not governed by fiat

paraclete  posted on  2016-05-06   9:19:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Deckard (#0)

"If Trump is a legitimate anti-establishment candidate, then here are some of the actions he would have to pursue in order to prove it:"

Has this ever been asked of ANY other Republican Presidential candidate? Has ANY Republican President ever attempted to do any of these things?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-05-06   9:39:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Deckard (#0)

If Trump is a legitimate anti-establishment candidate, then here are some of the actions he would have to pursue in order to prove it:

The complete reversal of every unconstitutional Obama Administration and Bush Administration executive order. The pursuit of removal of the indefinite detention provisions and secret tribunals contained in the NDAA. The removal of FISA, and the end of the invasion of privacy and other violations of the 4th Amendment by the NSA against American citizens. The end of secretive executive powers of assassination, including the assassination of American citizens without trial. The dismantling of the Department of Homeland Security in light of abuses of constitutional limits. The complete reversal of Obamacare. The immediate end to all refugee relocation programs related to the Middle East and Syria. The true enforcement of illegal immigration laws and border controls. The encouragement of states to assert their right to protect their borders based on the 10th Amendment. An immediate call for an independent investigation into the immigration policies of the Obama Administration. An immediate independent investigation into the Benghazi attacks. An immediate independent investigation into the ATF’s “Fast and Furious” gun running program. An immediate independent investigation into the involvement of covert intelligence agencies and the Department of Defense in the funding and training of ISIS. An immediate call for an independent investigation of corruption within the election process itself, as well as the influence of international banks and corporations in the election process. The removal of unfair restrictions that prevent third party and independent candidates from participation in public debates. An immediate call for an investigative audit of the Federal Reserve as well as the pursuit of dismantling the fed and transitioning America back into constitutional sound money creation. An investigation into U.S. relations with the International Monetary Fund, World Bank, and the Bank of International Settlements with the intention of ending all ties to said organizations if and when criminal conduct is discovered. An end to the revolving door of banking elites cycling through various cabinet positions within the White House. An immediate investigation into the influence of international financiers and globalist think tanks like the Council On Foreign Relations and their efforts to destroy the national sovereignty of the U.S. The end of globalization of U.S. foreign policy and economic policy which has weakened America, and the return to a more independent and self reliant American economic and defense infrastructure.

Well, then Trump isn't a "legitimate anti-establishment candidate". He's Trump, and he's going to do what HE thinks is right.

From your list, you will get the following things from Trump: 7, 8, 9, 16, 20.

And you will get a modified form of the following things: 6. He will make regulatory changes to Obamacare and insurance markets to cover everything. 14. So, you'll get 6 out of 20, about a third, which is an infinite amount more than the zero you'd get from any other candidate.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-05-06   9:43:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: paraclete (#2)

Trump will build a wall at the cost of Billions of Dollars

Trump will deport milions of aliens

Trump will bar the entry of aliens on religious grounds

Trump will unilaterally alter the relationship with allies

Trump will repeal Obamacare replacing it with a one biller system

Trump will unilaterally alter trade agreements

Trump will bring back jobs

Trump will raise trade barriers

Trump will preside over the greatest decline in US prosperity in decades

Yeah, he said those things alright.

The same empty promises politicians have been doling out for centuries.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

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Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
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Deckard  posted on  2016-05-06   9:47:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: BobCeleste (#1)

Second, if the Trump Presidency were not going to change things, Bush, Romeny, Ryan, Limbaugh, Beck, Levin and Cruzites would not so hate him.

They hate him because he's not going to cut them in on the profits or the power because he is partners with the Clintons,Soros,Buffett,etc,etc,etc.

From THEIR POV,he might as well be an actual conservative.

BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO!

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-05-06   9:49:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: misterwhite (#3)

"If Trump is a legitimate anti-establishment candidate, then here are some of the actions he would have to pursue in order to prove it:"

Has this ever been asked of ANY other Republican Presidential candidate?

Nope - and there's the problem right there.

Has ANY Republican President ever attempted to do any of these things?

No candidate of EITHER party has.

These are the serious issues that candidates should be concerned about, but the dumbed-down populace will vote for whoever makes the most empty promises.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2016-05-06   9:51:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: paraclete (#2)

The fact is the US is not governed by fiat

Yeah,but the dreamers like Bob will never accept any reality that interferes with the "Feel good dream".

Not that it matters because he's not going to be elected.

BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO!

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-05-06   9:51:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Deckard (#0)

" 1. The complete reversal of every unconstitutional Obama Administration and Bush Administration executive order.

2. The pursuit of removal of the indefinite detention provisions and secret tribunals contained in the NDAA.

3. The removal of FISA, and the end of the invasion of privacy and other violations of the 4th Amendment by the NSA against American citizens.

4. The end of secretive executive powers of assassination, including the assassination of American citizens without trial.

5. The dismantling of the Department of Homeland Security in light of abuses of constitutional limits.

6. The complete reversal of Obamacare.

7. The immediate end to all refugee relocation programs related to the Middle East and Syria.

8. The true enforcement of illegal immigration laws and border controls.

9. The encouragement of states to assert their right to protect their borders based on the 10th Amendment.

10. An immediate call for an independent investigation into the immigration policies of the Obama Administration.

11. An immediate independent investigation into the Benghazi attacks.

12. An immediate independent investigation into the ATF’s “Fast and Furious” gun running program.

13. An immediate independent investigation into the involvement of covert intelligence agencies and the Department of Defense in the funding and training of ISIS.

14. An immediate call for an independent investigation of corruption within the election process itself, as well as the influence of international banks and corporations in the election process.

15. The removal of unfair restrictions that prevent third party and independent candidates from participation in public debates.

16. An immediate call for an investigative audit of the Federal Reserve as well as the pursuit of dismantling the fed and transitioning America back into constitutional sound money creation.

17. An investigation into U.S. relations with the International Monetary Fund, World Bank, and the Bank of International Settlements with the intention of ending all ties to said organizations if and when criminal conduct is discovered.

18. An end to the revolving door of banking elites cycling through various cabinet positions within the White House.

19. An immediate investigation into the influence of international financiers and globalist think tanks like the Council On Foreign Relations and their efforts to destroy the national sovereignty of the U.S.

20. The end of globalization of U.S. foreign policy and economic policy which has weakened America, and the return to a more independent and self reliant American economic and defense infrastructure. "

Good list

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Stoner  posted on  2016-05-06   10:02:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Deckard (#7)

The bar seems to be set rather high, is my point.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-05-06   10:18:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: BobCeleste (#1)

The way I look at things is this. Millions of grass root organizations rose up and called themselves TEA parties. Their goal, restoration of the rule of law following the strict interpretation of the Bill of Rights, and especially the 10th amendment. Candidates were elected to the Congress, even the Senate. Ted Cruz and Rand Paul were the two most visible results of this movement, and the PTB moved heaven and Earth (heaven and hell) to defeat them at all cost. The grassroots, tired of waiting for the movement to succeed, threw off the two best chances it had of winning and selected Trump.

In short, Republicans/movement conservatives, waved the white flag at the very moment they were about to win. Now we are going to have to deal with the self inflicted head wound for the rest of this century. It is not just that Trump will be a bad President, or a bad man. It is that he is a Progressive like Al Gore, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. He may rule differently than the P.U.T.O. we have in their now, but make no mistake about it, he sees the United States Executive position as a throne to rule from.

jeremiad  posted on  2016-05-06   10:34:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: paraclete (#2)

let us think for a moment

Trump will build a wall at the cost of Billions of Dollars

Trump will deport milions of aliens

Trump will bar the entry of aliens on religious grounds

Trump will unilaterally alter the relationship with allies

Trump will repeal Obamacare replacing it with a one biller system

Trump will unilaterally alter trade agreements

Trump will bring back jobs

Trump will raise trade barriers

Trump will preside over the greatest decline in US prosperity in decades

The fact is the US is not governed by fiat

Now let's think deeper. It is true that the US is not governed by fiat. It is also true that the executive has a lot of discretionary power.

From your list:

Trump will build a wall at the cost of Billions of Dollars - legislation already exists under which Trump can START to build the wall, and he can direct the building of various pieces of it right now as Corps of Engineers projects and Border Patrol projects. Once the wall STARTS going up, everything starts to change. It will be popular, and the President can always direct that aspects of the DoD, INS, Border Patrol and Corps of Engineer projects be at the Border. If the President wants to, he can get it moving, and keep it moving. Congress would have to complicated contortions to prevent it, and would find the politics of that formidable.

Trump will deport millions of aliens - the President has the FULL power to do this, without Congress. In fact, Congress has no power to STOP him unless it changes the immigration laws (which it is too divided to do). Law enforcement is an Executive function, and the Justice Department, the INS, the Border Patrol, the FBI and the Attorney General all work for the President. He can direct particular, focused enforcement of immigration law. He can order that administrative holds on deportation be stopped and that deportations be undertaken "fast and furious". So yes, the President CAN do this without consultation, by fiat: he's the chief law enforcement officer, and he has the power to choose which laws to emphasize, and to focus on enforcement of some. Trump will.

3. Trump will bar the entry of aliens on religious grounds - He can do it on national security grounds with an executive order, and he will. This might give the Supreme Court the opportunity to overturn Korematsu...but a 4-4 court will leave Trump's decision standing, and with his nominee, it will be a 5-4 court.

4> Trump will unilaterally alter the relationship with allies. Foreign policy is the province of the President. The President cannot order troops to war without Congressional approval, but he CAN withdraw troops from combat, and from continents and bases, without Congressional approval. In fact, Congress has absolutely no power to order any troop movements under any situation. The Commander in Chief has sole command authority over the maneuvers of the US military. Congress can keep paying for bases in a country if it wants to, but the President can order all of the troops home, and Congress has no power, at all, to issue military orders. Fact is, foreign policy is conducted by the President. The Senate's role is to ratify treaties. How the President conducts foreign relations is solely the province of the President, and the President can make Executive Agreements with foreign countries that are not subject to ratification by Congress. The executive power over foreign policy is nearly plenary. Congress attempted to block Reagan from seeking the overthrow of the Sandinistas - an aggressive act - and failed. Reagan could have been impeached over that, perhaps. But Carter decided to hand back the Panama Canal, and no power in America exists that could overturn the President's final decision to NOT renegotiate a treaty. The President ALONE has the power to negotiate treaties. His negotiation authority

5. Trump will repeal Obamacare replacing it with a one biller system. Trump never said that he wanted to do this. He has said that single-payer would have been the best system, but that we missed the window to do that. He will leave Obamacare in place, in the sense of universal insurance, but he will aim at cost reduction, starting with jawboning the states into bringing down the regulatory borders to interstate health insurance sales. Make a competitive market, and prices will come down.

6. Trump will unilaterally alter trade agreements. As President, he controls foreign policy. He cannot change the words of treaties. But he CAN suspend their application, for reasons of national interest. And when it comes to foreign policy, "National Interest" is what the President decides is the national interest. Foreign affairs under the American Constitution are not done by committee: they are directed by the President.

7. Trump will bring back jobs. Certainly by deporting Mexicans, jobs will open for Americans. If he restricts trade from China, through executive action on "dumping" and "currency manipulation" grounds, jobs will open for Americans...and there will be some offset in jobs lost from export trade. Net-net, it's not clear how that will shake out.

8. Trump will raise trade barriers. The President has the authority to do this by Executive Order.

9. Trump will preside over the greatest decline in US prosperity in decades. Perhaps. The world is on the cusp of a meltdown.

10. The fact is the US is not governed by fiat. True, but foreign policy and military movements are.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-05-06   11:09:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Vicomte13 (#12) (Edited)

US is not governed by fiat.

What in fact you are saying is it is. Undoubtedly there are laws that haven't been enforced and getting the resources to enforce them is where Congress comes in, it must vote the funds, Yes a wall can be built but the funds have to come from somewhere, popular or not, it will require a majority. The president just cannot just divert large parts of the budget for his purposes, it requires appropriations and some of the policies are new policies. What are the logistics of deporting large numbers of people, the logistics of identifying them and rounding them up? You can't just push them over the border into Mexico

paraclete  posted on  2016-05-06   22:08:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: paraclete, Vicomte13, hondo68 (#13) (Edited)

What in fact you are saying is it is. Undoubtedly there are laws that haven't been enforced and getting the resources to enforce them is where Congress comes in, it must vote the funds, Yes a wall can be built but the funds have to come from somewhere, popular or not, it will require a majority.

Look up, "Secure Fence Act of 2006." The fencing or wall was never built for EXACTLY the reasons you state, paraclete; so along comes a wannbe dictator that sez, "he will build the wall." And because Trump knows Congress won't fund it, he offers his rant that Mexico will. He is so full of BS, it is a laughing matter watching the American People applaud such a ludicrous idea.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-06   22:37:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: buckeroo, Pinocchio Trump (#14)

Mr. Dornaldo Truump is the 2016 version of Hope & Change, via the Straight Talk Unicorn Express, powered by magic pixie dust.

When you wish upon a star, makes no difference who you are....


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2016-05-06   23:33:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Deckard (#0)

Will a Trump presidency really change anything for the better?

If it pisses you off, YES

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-05-06   23:58:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: buckeroo (#14)

The law to build the wall is in place, and portions of it can be built without full funding, as "projects" for local agencies. Example: Military training in fortification and Seabee work and Corps of Engineers work can build portions of the wall. Current maintenance money on the fencline can be spent to "replace damaged fencing" with the wall.

Congress allocates money under broad categories. Executives can, and do, find the money at the margins.

The construction can start that way, using already appropriated monies cleverly. Congress is then out into the position of having to specifically OUTLAW those uses, which would require affimrative legislation to pass that the border fence cannot even be maintained.

Trump can get the wall built piecemeal by aggressively using the margins of the budget. Example: drug mule impoundment - local enforcement gets to keep what is found jointly, if a portion of the money goes to a local effort to build the wall.

Congress can't STOP the wall from being build. For that matter, it could be put up by volunteer corps. The feds would simply have to not interfere, and THAT is COMPLETELY within the power of the President.

If Trump is determined to get his wall, he will get his wall.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-05-07   8:19:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: paraclete (#13)

Yes a wall can be built but the funds have to come from somewhere,

Exectuive agencies have discretion as to how they spend their internal budgets. There are so many agencies, and so many reasons to build a piece here, a piece there. The money can be found, at the cost of other things, even if Congress won't directly appropriate the money.

Reagan found the money to bring down the Sandinistas, despite Congress having outlawed it.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-05-07   8:21:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Deckard (#0)

Will Hillary be a little worse or a lot worse is the question that needs to be ask!

To answer she would be much worse than Trump.

Trump's redeeming value is he is not a global elite nor a socialist and wants to undo elites controls. He is an America first person which is his best quality.

Yes he is a control freak and a narcissist. He has a socialist leaning due to being raised in the northeast but I think fighting the socialist/communist has left a bad taste of socialism in him.

To me Trump represent the crashing of the global elite controls over America which is what we all want in the end is it not? It's a start.

Justified  posted on  2016-05-07   9:02:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Vicomte13 (#17) (Edited)

If Trump is determined to get his wall, he will get his wall.

Look It would be a great nation building project, the unemployed could be rounded up and required to spend time working on the wall, however Mexican cartells have been found to be adept at tunnelling so as teh Israeli foind in Sinai you have to do more than build a wall, you have to project the barrier downwards, surely it would ebe simplier to build a canal

paraclete  posted on  2016-05-08   19:50:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: paraclete (#20)

Look, it's not REALLY a question of building a wall. The wall is just the great symbolic statement. The Great Wall of China did not STOP invasions - it slowed them down, channelled them and made them more difficult.

The Wall is part of a comprehensive package of changes that signal to both sides of the border that things have CHANGED, and that what was treated with indulgence before will now become much more difficult,. much more dangerous, and much more punitive.

The Israeli wall did not STOP terrorist attacks, but it VASTLY reduced them.

Perfection is not the goal of realistic people.

The Wall probably doesn't even have to be completely finished to start having effects, as long as the rest of the package comes with it.

The key part of package north of the Border is to treat Americans who hire illegals after a certain date as criminals. Before that date, you can give people amnesty and a pass, but after a certain date, a date to allow transiitions, then the Americans who hire illegals in their businesses should start having crippling penalties. Essentially, the first ones caught should be broken, driven out of business, to send a signal that violation of the immigration laws is a felony, and death sentence to the businesses that are caught doing it.

You fine them HEAVILY. And you cease to turn a blind eye. You focus on the industries that use illegals too. You have to frighten Americans who make the calculation right now to risk hiring that the risk is not worth it.

And when you catch them, you have to take back ALL of the illegal profot they made- the whole advantage they gained by hiring illegals, and then hit them with triple punitive damages. The purpose is to destroy them, a few, very publicly, so the rest are frightened into stopping it.

That will cause business to stop doing it. Shut off the jobs, and you shut off the draw of the illegals. The Wall becomes less necessary.

But it's still necessary to start the Wall and make steady progress, because that is what the people want. It is very important that the people who have demanded a Wall for years GET their wall, and those Americans who blocked them and derided them see the wall go up too. It is very important that the Wall people visibly see their victory over the anti-Wall people, and the anti-Wall people also see their defeat. The symbolism is important. And as the other means drive down the illegal numbers and effect self-deportation, the Wall people will have their victory and be able to proclaim it.

People who stood for national sovereignty for a long time have had their teeth kicked in. It is very important symbolically and politically that they have the visible symbol of their victory, AND that the totality of the means taken to cut illegal immigration be seen to be successful. That discourages the people who stood against it, and empowers those who put up with the abuse for so many years.

We saw it with Reagan. Reaganites took a LOT of arrows, shots and ridiicule. Reagan had to be SHOT for the narrative against him to cool down. But his success ended up silencing most of the critics, and the people who fought it out have the satisfaction of seeing people who were their opponents, cave and start supporting what they used to fight.

That's important for maintaining the momentum of a political movement - that the enemy be SEEN to be defeated, and to KNOW they have been defeated, because defeat discourages many people, and they leave the weaker horse behind.

Reagan was not popular in 1981. But he sure was in 1985. And that's because people who used to fight, changed sides. People back the stronger horse.

Trump said he is going to build a Wall. It is IMPERATIVE, then, that he build that Wall - EVEN IF it doesn't do all that is expected. It will be part of an overall package, nobody will ever be able to say for certain that it was all of the other stuff that turned the illegal tide.

The people who have fought this all along, hard, have won, they want that wall, and they must be given their victory, or Trump will be a failed one turn President as the core of his base turns on him as a liar.

Trump has no maneuvering room on the Wall. He is the Republican nominee BECAUSE of that promise. If he doesn't build it, he'll be branded as a liar by everybody who supports him, and he will leave the White House after his first term as a disgraced and hated man.

The Wall must be built.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-05-08   21:03:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Vicomte13 (#21)

The Wall must be built.

an impassioned piece. I thought the NAFTA was an attempt to keep the illegals below the border by giving them employment, a sort of financial wall, the strategy obviously didn't work, but had all those factories that were built in China have been built in Mexico it might have. I think the solution is simplier than building a wall, you have to change the status of illegals so that not only is it a crime for them to employ them, it is a crime for them to be employed in a much more stringent way than non possession of a green card. America doesn't really have a boat problem at the moment but it might if the wall is built. perhaps it would be easier to build the wall further south in Mexico to close off the route from central america, that could even achieve a boost for the war on drugs. The whole range of border enforcement measures

paraclete  posted on  2016-05-08   22:36:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: paraclete (#22)

As for myself, I don't personally believe in the Wall. Nor do I think that the answer is immigration restrictions.

I think that Mexico is our neighbor, and Canada is our neighbor. I think that the proper answer is that all of this free trade that seeks to get the lowest price, should be aimed at Mexico. We should not have free trade of the sort that offshores jobs to China or Vietnam or anywhere BUT Mexico.

Our objective should be to build up Mexico to the same status as the United States and then eventually merge the two countries.

They're merging anyway, but the wrong way: rounding down.

That's what I think. And then we should be looking further South. I think our long-term goal should be to have one borderless country from Tierra de Fuego to the Arctic Ocean.

This will take 1000 years, but we would all be better for it.

My countrymen are nowhere near this. As it stands, our capitalists are out of control, and seeking profit for themselves at the expense of the future of the country. So we're getting a cultural merger, by invasion, as opposed to an eventual merger by building up our poorer neighbor.

Trump and border control are better than turning the US into Mexico. Best of all would be to turn Mexico into the USA.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-05-08   23:04:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Vicomte13 (#23) (Edited)

Our objective should be to build up Mexico to the same status as the United States

What makes you think that's doable except a blind faith in the belief that all people are intrinsically the same? You kid yourself in you're wanting to be nice. If a race of people hasn't done anything to advance themselves in 4,000 years, you won't advance them. They're evolutionary throw-backs and genetic inferiors.

rlk  posted on  2016-05-09   0:08:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Vicomte13 (#23) (Edited)

I think our long-term goal should be to have one borderless country from Tierra de Fuego to the Arctic Ocean.

A form of one world government, Yes continential government can work, it has been proven in Australia, but you still have the issue of dealing with the poor, the indigenous and a complexity of environmental issues you cannot begin to imagine. A comment, americans have proven particularly poor at understanding the circumstances of others particularly when it comes to differing economic circumstances, this is why national governments or regional governments are important. the problems of the snow bound north are different to the tropical south. One size fits all is bad policy

paraclete  posted on  2016-05-09   1:07:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: paraclete (#25)

Yes continential government can work, it has been proven in Australia

Australia is a glorified island with problems with immigrant islam. Open the place to more immigrant islam and see how well it works.

rlk  posted on  2016-05-09   1:48:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: rlk (#26) (Edited)

Australia is a glorified island with problems with immigrant islam. Open the place to more immigrant islam and see how well it works.

Firstly Australia is the size of the continental US. North america is a glorified island too. may I suggest you go first. We don't have a serious problem with immigrant Islam, we have a problem that islam is reaching a critical mass, something that hasn't happened in the US yet. We don't want more islamic immigrants, to have allowed islamic immigration in the first place was a mistake but we learned the hard way that islamics don't integrate, don't assimulate and form enclaves.

Yes we have had some terrorists events but in reality no more than america has. we are extremely vigilant and have stoped a number of attempts to conduct terrorist activities and our strict gun laws mean they have less opportunity to acquire automatic weapons and thus any instances have resulted in a lower body count. the last event resulted in the death of one victim and the terrorist shot dead

paraclete  posted on  2016-05-09   2:57:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: rlk (#24)

If a race of people hasn't done anything to advance themselves in 4,000 years, you won't advance them. They're evolutionary throw-backs and genetic inferiors.

They were a highly advanced civilization, in Central Mexico and in the Andes, when the Spanish came.

There was no racial inferiority. It was a lack of resistance to smallpox.

Genetic inferiors and evolutionary throwbacks? I always considered Nazi theory to be boneheaded, and Catholic theory to be superior. My mind has not changed on that matter.

I also see the white race dying out due to its own weaknesses, which are also not genetic but moral choices that don't work out.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-05-09   6:36:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Deckard (#0)

Will a Trump presidency really change anything for the better?

Will the Paultards really stop crying or making excuses for their SIX PERCENT loser popularity?

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-05-09   6:45:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: paraclete (#25)

Americans have been poor at empathy for other races, that is true, but we have been spectacularly successful and causing different tribes of warring Europeans, who have still not completely figured it out at home, to lose their ethnic identities and become one people in a generation.

And we've managed to integrate Asians and Latinos into the mix also.

We've done poorly with blacks, but we're getting better at it.

the missing component was the Catholic universalist religious theology to sit atop the E Pluribus Unum national mentality. But that's changing...with immigration!

The Democrats here are the worst because they are secular socialists who really want to wipe out God. And societies that cut themselves off from God effectively cut themselves off at the root and turn into brutal places, or they wither.

The Republicans understand the need to preserve the culture and the economy: America is not big enough or rich enough to take in the whole world. But there are also Republicans who hold Nazi racial theories, who think of other races as genetically inferior - all of the German nonsense of the 20th Century and the black-white nonsense of the American 19th and 20th. Those folks also vote Republican for Border Control, but with very different motivations.

The balancing act is to control the borders to save the economy and jobs, without conceding the moral cultural to the racialists. We do not have a track record of success at that. In general we've only been able to beat the racialists by force (in Germany, and in America), and the problem with that is that then we strip away our ability to argue reasonably for immigration controls to save the economy and the culture - not because ours is racially superior, but simply because ours is ours and it isn't big enough to take everybody else in.

Fix us, and focus our trade efforts at our nextdoor neighbor, and we can fix us and go a long way towards fixing them, and then there's a shot that common Christianity will allow us to integrate much better. Europe managed it...but that took an American conquest.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-05-09   6:46:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Vicomte13 (#23)

As for myself, I don't personally believe in the Wall. Nor do I think that the answer is immigration restrictions.

Then YOU pay for all the illegal shitbag expenses... don't expect my wallet to be as sympathetic as your bleeding heart is.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-05-09   6:49:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: GrandIsland (#31)

Then YOU pay for all the illegal shitbag expenses... don't expect my wallet to be as sympathetic as your bleeding heart is.

Don't worry your pretty head. There is no danger of America going down the path I would like to see.

I'll be content to see Trump get back in command of the situation, without handing the country over to the Neo-Confederates.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-05-09   9:01:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: GrandIsland (#29)

Will a Trump presidency really change anything for the better?

Meet the new boss - same as the old boss.

Trump Picks Former Goldman Partner And Soros Employee As Finance Chairman

Did Donald Trump Just Go Full Establishment?

After digging a little deeper, it turns out Mnuchin has an even more surprising former employer: none other than democratic political financier, billionaire, and Hillary Clinton donor George Soros.

“In addition to Goldman, Mnuchin also worked at Soros Fund Management, whose founder, George Soros, has funded many left-leaning causes. Where it gets even more bizarre is that Mnuchin has donated frequently to Democrats, including to Clinton and Barack Obama.”

Making matters even worse, it turns out that Mnuchin profited handsomely from the 2009 Wall Street bailouts. According to Mother Jones, after buying the bailed out IndyMac Bank for pennies on the dollar, “Mnuchin and his partners, who named their new bank OneWest, ended up doing spectacularly well. They parlayed their $1.55 billion investment into a $3.4 billion payday.” He was able to do this because taxpayers took on all the risks of the bank’s bad assets, costing taxpayers an estimated $13 billion in losses. All the while, the bank continued to foreclose on homeowners who were no longer able to make mortgage payments.

These developments come only a few days after Trump’s former opponents, Ted Cruz and John Kasich, dropped out of the race — all but guaranteeing Donald the nomination.

Trump also recently announced he will forgo the “self-funding” he has relied on so far in the primary, promising to raise $1 billion from supporters in conjunction with the Republican party in preparation for the general election.

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“Trump’s circle now includes such mainstream warmongers as Rudolph Giuliani, Chris Christie, Richard Haass (current president of the Council on Foreign Relations), and Senator Jeff Sessions. Trump has even identified John Bolton, an Iraq War architect and close ally of the neocons, as a ‘go to’ expert for advice on national security.”

It appears Donald Trump’s days as an anti-establishment outsider have come to a close now that he’s gearing up for the general election (most likely) against Hillary Clinton — another politician with ties to Goldman Sachs. It appears that regardless of who winds up winning the presidency in 2016, Goldman Sachs will remain the unbeatable incumbent.

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In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

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Deckard  posted on  2016-05-09   9:21:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Deckard (#33)

Shut your OWS pie hole.

Oh... and stick your Black Lives Matter billshit up your Jane Fonda ass too.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-05-09   20:24:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Vicomte13 (#28)

They were a highly advanced civilization

How much did they accomplish in testimony to that assertion?

rlk  posted on  2016-05-10   1:25:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: rlk (#35)

How much did they accomplish in testimony to that assertion?

More than the Egyptians. Great cities, great irrigation, a rich variety of crops, a paved highway system 1000 miles long in the Andes, pyramids.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-05-10   8:36:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Vicomte13 (#36)

How much did they accomplish in testimony to that assertion?

More than the Egyptians. Great cities, great irrigation, a rich variety of crops, a paved highway system 1000 miles long in the Andes, pyramids.

Good heavens, a bustling metropolis from the middle of Mexico Southward. Complete with pyramids. Who'd have thunk it without having you to describe it for them?

rlk  posted on  2016-05-10   21:48:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: GrandIsland (#34)

Shut your OWS pie hole.

Oh... and stick your Black Lives Matter billshit up your Jane Fonda ass too.

He isn't OWS or Black lives matter.

You two have more in common then you think. In my opinion.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-10   21:50:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: rlk (#37)

Good heavens, a bustling metropolis from the middle of Mexico Southward. Complete with pyramids. Who'd have thunk it without having you to describe it for them?

No. Three separate empires, all hydraulic and urban: Inca, Mayan and Aztec. They were destroyed by smallpox.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-05-10   22:07:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: rlk (#37)

But seriously, why go here? The White Race is dying out. Contraception, abortion, the loss of reason and faith, are killing it.

It has to die out if it won't stop contracepting itself to oblivion. White Americans are not going to be able to wall off an empty shell of a country full of octogenarians. The culture must change.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-05-10   22:09:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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