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Title: Cruz shocks his supporters with a sudden exit
Source: Yahoo News
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Published: May 4, 2016
Author: Jon Ward May 3, 2016
Post Date: 2016-05-04 06:42:18 by GrandIsland
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Views: 8696
Comments: 52

NDIANAPOLIS — Moments before Ted Cruz publicly ended a campaign for president that had lasted more than a year, he stood backstage and thanked his closest friends, supporters and advisers for their help and support. Some sat at round tables. Conservative commentator and TV host Glenn Beck stood and watched. A bar table covered with Starbucks cups and an ironing board with an upright iron stood off to the side.

When Cruz finished speaking, the group of about 50 people applauded — several of them wiping away tears — and Cruz’s campaign manager, Jeff Roe, walked away from them, looking down, and shook his head. Cruz’s speech to a group of a few hundred devoted followers from the main stage minutes later was met with disbelief and anguish. “From the beginning, I’ve said that I would continue on as long as there was a viable path to victory,” Cruz said. Murmurs rose in the audience. “I’m sorry to say,” Cruz said — and cries of “No, no!” rang out — “it appears that path has been foreclosed.” This brought an even louder “NO!” As Cruz announced that he was suspending his campaign “with a heavy heart,” a girl of about 12 began to sob. Her father stood nearby with his hand over his mouth and said, “What are you doing?” Cruz sought to reassure his followers inside the Grand Hall Ballroom of the Crowne Plaza hotel. “Hear me now: I am not suspending our fight for liberty,” he said. His father and mother, divorced 20 years ago but standing next to one another on this night, stood behind him. A gaggle of Cruz’s campaign staff stood 20 feet from the stage, many of them red-eyed. After Cruz finished his speech, he began to greet supporters in the front of the crowd, but then abruptly returned backstage after just a few moments, apparently too emotional to continue.


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#6. To: GrandIsland (#0)

" Cruz shocks his supporters with a sudden exit "

Last night, I thought that Mark Levin was fairly calm, and even handed. He was obviously disappointed, but pretty rational. He even criticized a couple of callers that claimed they would not support Trump, would vote for Hillary, or would stay home.

Today, I suspect that Glen Beck and his toady crew will be wailing, crying, slinging snot, pulling their hair out, be beating on each other with riding crops, destroying the interior of their studio, screaming that they hate the people of Indiana, will be claiming the people of Indiana are devil worshipers, and be sticking pens in voodoo dolls of Trump. Then will commit group suicide.

This will very likely be the end of the Glen Beck show. Good, maybe he will be replaced by someone worth listening to.

Stoner  posted on  2016-05-04   8:39:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Stoner (#6)

I wonder if Rush will do his show today or stay home in mourning.

I've been a Rush fan since day one. I bought his books and have read them more than once. I tune in every opportunity I get. BUT, he lost me with his thinly-veiled support for Cruz.

And now it has me wondering about what Rush truly believes in. Oh, he talks the talk all right. Then along comes Trump who promises to do exectly what Rush has been calling for and Rush gets cold feet.

Could it be that Rush really supports the Washington status quo? That he's afraid of the change he's been calling for?

Whatever the reason, he just lost a fan.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-05-04   9:11:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: misterwhite (#7)

" I've been a Rush fan since day one. I bought his books and have read them more than once. I tune in every opportunity I get. BUT, he lost me with his thinly-veiled support for Cruz. "

Rush has always walked a thin line, trying to placate his listeners ( who pay the bills), and at the same time, carry water for his establishment buddies.

I always enjoyed listening to Rush. But make no mistake, he carries water for the establishment. He wants to be in the club, playing golf with them, being invited to & being the center of attention at their parties. When Bush Sr was in the WH, & Jr, Rush really enjoyed & relished being invited to the WH, staying in the Lincoln BR, etc, etc. He really liked dropping references to his socializing with them, and being part of the inside group.

I still remember when he at first warmed to Pat Buchanan, but turned on a dime, I suspect someone in the Bush camp got to him.

If you remember, at one time Mary Matlin was a frequent guest host. A lot of the listeners liked her. But when she married Carville the Snake, the listeners were very upset. That was the end of her setting in. It was just too in your face, the collusion of D's & R's.

I will continue to listen to him, I suspect you will too. I still think he has good analysis on a lot of topics.

But, a word of caution, be suspicious.

Stoner  posted on  2016-05-04   10:58:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Stoner (#11)

"I will continue to listen to him, I suspect you will too."

I will listen to him today. For sure. But that's just my schadenfreude kicking in.

Speaking of guest hosts, Mark Belling was also my favorite. Living in northern Illinois, I pick him up from Milwaukee all the time. But he is virulently anti-Trump, along with the other talk hosts at WISN. Trump did interviews with two of them when he was campaigning in Milwaukee, and they were brutal.

So, my eyes are opening and the list is growing. These people talk a good game but show their establishment leanings when a true patriot comes along. They utterly disgust me.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-05-04   11:12:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: misterwhite (#12)

So, my eyes are opening

My eyes have been open or years when it comes to control of the GOP by the rich.

But my eyes were really opened this campaign cycle regarding the "pro-life" aspect of the GOP. I was confused by the public reaction to Trump's rather obvious comment that if abortion were outlawed and a woman went and had an abortion, of course she would be punished. That this was controversial ON THE RIGHT bewildered me. It was actually right here on this board that a particular long-time poster, Too Conservative, suddenly crystallized it for me. "Pro-life" in Republican mouths is just a permanent campaign position, a thing they know will never happen, but that will always get them votes.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-05-04   15:51:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Vicomte13 (#30)

I was confused by the public reaction to Trump's rather obvious comment that if abortion were outlawed and a woman went and had an abortion, of course she would be punished.

You are correct...Trump answered that question in 'black and white' terms. He answered the question as an owner CEO would answer it...very decisively. He answered the question in the frame of 'if I were king or emperor things would be this way.' He quickly realized if elected President he would not be an emperor or king and cannot make his own laws by fiat.

Trump then adjusted his view to not only let the woman off the hook for aborting a child but allowing such in cases of rape and incest. Which is not the Pro-Life plank at all.

The Pro-Life plank since Roe v. Wade has been to first and above all set the conditions to protect the life of the unborn human being; second to cut off abortion providers. The focus of the Pro-Life movement over the past 25 years given the liberal slant of society has been focused on the abortion providers. That has been a long slog but has produced results at varying degrees state by state.

Where Pro-Life groups such as the SBA List took note on Trump's original stance (punish the woman and provider) is that such an approach plays right in the hands of the liberal left message of 'war on women.' "It's all about punishing women."

SBA List as with many other Pro-Life movements view the woman getting an abortion in post-modern society as yet another victim. Victim to the lies perpetrated by the left politicians, NARAL, PP et. al.

I know you know the history of English Common Law. Even before Roe v. Wade and even going back to colonial America and even pre-colonial England, the fate of the woman who sought out an abortion was usually relegated to ecclesiastical authority. The one providing the means to the abortion is not so clear but if known I believe was dealt with in criminal court.

redleghunter  posted on  2016-05-05   9:42:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: redleghunter (#41)

I know you know the history of English Common Law. Even before Roe v. Wade and even going back to colonial America and even pre-colonial England, the fate of the woman who sought out an abortion was usually relegated to ecclesiastical authority. The one providing the means to the abortion is not so clear but if known I believe was dealt with in criminal court.

I do. Which means that I know that under the Common Law, and until recent times in England, the ecclesial authorities were courts, with criminal adjudicative powers.

The Common Law grew up in a system with an established religion, in which church and state were, and in England still are, still merged. In America they were too, until independence, and then dropped off.

A woman punished by an ecclesiastical court was still being punished by the law. Part of the law was controlled by the King through the civil courts, which he controlled, and part of the law was controlled by the King through the courts of the Church, of which he was (and is) also the head.

The "separation of Church and state" is a French revolutionary idea, most strongly supported in America by Jefferson. It entered into American Common Law by practice due to the political neutrality struck by American politicians and judges given the division of Americans into hostile denominations, but it didn't enter into American Common Law philosophically until the late 19th Century.

What Trump said I agreed with. The twisting mouth rage that was expressed at him, and at me, by the American "pro-lifers", effected a break between me and them that is unlikely to ever be bridged again. They despise me, by their own words.

I was stunned for a moment. Then I opened my eyes to what they are. I do not get along well with hypocrites, and I have no interest in even trying.

My last cord to the Republican party was cut by them.

So, as it happens, I'm still a Republican, only because of Trump.

Take out Trump, and I'll go vote for the Democrats. Their concept of social welfare is not motivated by Christianity, but its effects are more Christian than anything that comes from the cannibals.

In the end I'm a practical man. But also, I am really not mean to people. When people really get vicious because of their political beliefs, I cut them off and forget about them, except when I see their silly-ass minoritarian stupidity go swirling down the toilet of defeat. Then I smile grimly as they get what they deserve. And go back to forgetting about them.

Which is where I am headed now. This was all very, very badly played, and it made me reflect about what's what.

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