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Title: Are the GOP rules really rigged against Donald Trump?
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URL Source: http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/25/are- ... t-donald-trump-commentary.html
Published: Apr 26, 2016
Author: Bruce Abramson Jeff Ballabon
Post Date: 2016-04-26 06:04:05 by no gnu taxes
Keywords: None
Views: 15442
Comments: 108

“It’s not fair!” may be the most pitiful lament in the English language, but Donald Trump seems intent upon adopting it as his battle cry heading into this summer’s Republican convention. The GOP’s poorly designed nominating process includes more than its share of problems, but is it really unfair to Trump?

The question does warrant consideration — particularly given Monday morning’s announcement that the Cruz and Kasich campaigns have decided to coordinate their efforts to deny Trump the nomination.

Perhaps the unfairness is miscommunication, or worse, deceptive marketing. Nominating processes exist to select a party's standard-bearer. While there may be room to dispute whether "the party" means professional leadership, elected officials, state and county committee members, or registered members, it ought not extend to anyone who decides to participate in a primary or caucus; open primaries invite abuse from voters whose goals may not involve selecting the party's strongest representative. Those with deep ties to the party deserve greater input than those with tenuous or nonexistent connections.

Yet Democrats and Republicans alike have chosen to pretend otherwise. America's primary season has the look and feel of an extended general election, from polling places to media coverage. This season, both parties have spread the misconception, both have been caught in the lie, and both have angered many voters whose support they will need in November.

While some might see this deception as unfair, however, it has hardly worked against Trump. Trump's connection to the Republican Party is weak and of recent vintage, and he often boasts that many of his supporters are new to the Republican Party. Longstanding Republicans have generally preferred the more traditional candidates. If anything then, Trump is a beneficiary of this misrepresentation rather than its victim.

Perhaps the unfairness lies instead with the dizzyingly variable rules converting primary votes into delegates. In a reasonable system, each state would allocate delegates proportionately. As things stand, most states do not. Still, the big losers in this arena have been Marco Rubio and John Kasich; Trump has leveraged about 40 percent of the vote into about 49 percent of the delegates.

Perhaps, then, the unfairness lies with the finish line, drawn one delegate beyond the 50 percent mark. It is entirely possible that the first-place finisher — almost certainly Trump — will fail to cross that finish line on the first round. But Americans are quite comfortable with concepts like overtime, or with rules insisting that victory requires a margin of at least two points.

Few consider it unfair to award the Super Bowl, Stanley Cup, or World Series title to a team that failed to boast the best record in regular season play. Here, too, the rules have been clear for decades: if no candidate crosses the finish line in round one, play proceeds into round two, with rules different enough to permit a different outcome.

Or perhaps the unfairness stems from the mysterious "Rule 40(b)," limiting consideration to candidates winning majority support from eight state delegations — a hurdle that only Trump and Ted Cruz can clear. Perhaps Trump's complaint is that the rules committee, which meets at the start of each convention, is likely to eliminate Rule 40(b) and open the floor to additional nominees.

But Rule 40(b) was a one-time anomaly, designed to minimize Ron Paul's role in the 2012 convention. No one ever expected it to persist.

Finally, is it unfair for two of the remaining candidates to collaborate — some might say conspire — against a third? Election law contains many rules about the sorts of coordination permissible in support of a candidate, but relatively few rules about coordination to defeat a candidate. According to the strategy announce this morning, the Cruz and Kasich campaigns have simply agreed to focus their efforts in different states with upcoming primaries. Hard to see anything unfair about that.

Regardless, the tactical politicking pales in comparison to the unique advantages Trump's campaign has exploited with his enormous wealth and celebrity-driven free media coverage. Our political system hasn't been fair to Trump? Really?

No, the only plausible source of Trump's complaint is that he might not win. Despite having leveraged his marketing prowess to an improbable lead among pledged delegates, he may still fall short, collapsing in the playoffs after a remarkable regular season.

At the end of the day, and for all of its flaws, the GOP will have held a fair nominating contest if Trump breaks 1,237 votes on the first ballot to become its nominee. It will have held a fair nominating contest if an inconclusive first round allows Cruz's strategic ground game to soldier across the finish line on the second or third round. And it will have held a fair nominating contest if the delegates pull a name out of a hat to break the deadlock on the forty-second round. In the art of the deal, it's all about closing.

"It's not fair!" is a slogan for whiners, not for winners. It is not a battle cry for fierce competitors. It is, as Trump should recognize, the last refuge of pathetic wimps.

A pathetic wimp will not make America great again. Nor will a loser who declares victory upon coming close. America deserves a president who can master the complex rules of world leadership and play to win. If Trump wants to be that president, he will have to convince Americans that he possesses that mastery. Bellyaching about a set of rules that have broken to his clear advantage is hardly convincing.

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#7. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

Trump has leveraged about 40 percent of the vote into about 49 percent of the delegates.

That doesn't seem fair.

Trump currently has 844 delegates.

Cruz, Kasich, and Rubio combined have 862.

I think the Trump campaign team finally did the math and know there will at least be a second ballot call at the convention. If Rubio and Kasich delegates go to Cruz, there may be a third and fourth ballot.

Trump should be thanking the GOP for its 'beer math' delegate system. It has worked in his favor as he only has 40% of the popular votes compared to his 49% of delegates.

Of course the facts is not what most politicians are interested in.

So I don't see how people call the process unfair. Trump does not have the majority of delegates right now. He may in the next few days. He may even reach the magic number. However, right now, he does not have the majority of delegates. Three others combined do.

redleghunter  posted on  2016-04-26   8:52:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: redleghunter (#7)

"Cruz, Kasich, and Rubio combined have 862."

Are you saying we should have three Presidents?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-04-26   8:54:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: misterwhite (#10)

Maybe Cruz, Kasich, and Rubio could run as a "GOP triumvirate" against Clinton.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-04-26   9:13:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: no gnu taxes (#15)

"Maybe Cruz, Kasich, and Rubio could run as a "GOP triumvirate" against Clinton."

Exactly. I mean, they have more delegates than Trump, right?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-04-26   9:25:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: misterwhite (#16)

Well exactly ONE candidate will have to get 1237. And if it goes to a second ballot and beyond, it very well may not be Trump, regardless of his delegate lead going in. He so far has shown zero ability to corral unpledged delegates.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-04-26   9:44:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: no gnu taxes (#18)

"And if it goes to a second ballot and beyond, it very well may not be Trump"

So Trump walks into the convention with 1150 delegates, the vast majority of the states and the vast majority of the votes and Rubio ends up with the nomination, just what do you think will happen?

Are you saying, "Well, rules are rules" and everyone will shrug their shoulders and go home? I mean, that's what you're implying.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-04-26   10:03:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: misterwhite (#21)

So Trump walks into the convention with 1150 delegates, the vast majority of the states and the vast majority of the votes and Rubio ends up with the nomination, just what do you think will happen?

Are you saying, "Well, rules are rules" and everyone will shrug their shoulders and go home? I mean, that's what you're implying.

You won't have to worry about such a scenario. Roger Stone speaking for Trump already threatened anyone thinking of changing their mind on a second ballot.

The GOP convention process is not as bad as everyone misunderstands it to be.

It was designed for the party who is nominating a candidate to have a voice and influence in the process.

For example, if a GOP candidate with a plurality of the votes come convention time is indicted of a crime, the party has the mechanism to ensure such a tainted candidate does not get the nomination.

redleghunter  posted on  2016-04-26   10:18:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: redleghunter (#25)

For example, if a GOP candidate with a plurality of the votes come convention time is indicted of a crime, the party has the mechanism to ensure such a tainted candidate does not get the nomination.

I wonder what the democrats will do if Hillary is indicted.

If Trump comes in with around 1200 or maybe even 1100, I think he'll get the nomination. But if Cruz pulls off Indiana, snags most of the unpledged delegates in PA, then goes out west and does quite well, and comes in only a couple of hundred delegates down, anything could happen.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-04-26   10:26:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: no gnu taxes (#29) (Edited)

I wonder what the democrats will do if Hillary is indicted.

If Trump comes in with around 1200 or maybe even 1100, I think he'll get the nomination. But if Cruz pulls off Indiana, snags most of the unpledged delegates in PA, then goes out west and does quite well, and comes in only a couple of hundred delegates down, anything could happen.

Hillary will not be indicted.

Indictment can only come from the Attorney General. The AG works for Obama. Obama will not indict Hillary. It will never, ever happen.

If Cruz succeeds at his game of taking delegates in states that voted for Trump because of the corrupt Republican rules, then Trump may be cheated out of the nomination, but that doesn't mean "anything can happen" at all. It merely means that Hillary will certainly be the next President.

At this point, the only chance for Republican victory in the Fall is for Republicans to stop pretending that they can steal the election from Trump without committing suicide, unite behind him and try to beat Hillary. He could.

Otherwise, you will have Hillary Clinton and a Democrat Supreme Court, that much is certain. And you will probably have a Democrat Senate also. And then the House won't matter. Hillary will do as she pleases by Executive Order, the Supreme Court will ignore legal objections raised by the House, the Senate will not remove her if a Republican House votes for impeachment, and Republican politicians will be prosecuted for every tax code violation, election law violation and bribe they take - and campaign contributions to Republicans will be influence purchasing in the hands of a Hillary Justice Department and Hillary Court.

Two years later, once the Supreme Court has found all Republican voter control efforts to be voter suppression, the Democrats will also take the House. We will have one party rule that will be as dominant and move as swiftly as FDR did. The Republican Party will never get back up, but will continue to exist as a zombie party handcuffed to the Right, unable to get itself back up, but also preventing the Right from reorganizing under a new banner.

The price of cheating Trump out of the election is the suicide of the Republican Party. It is madness. And the Republicans may just go ahead and do it.

The legalistic arguments Republicans are using to convince insiders that stealing the election is ok reminds one of the "All we've got is cotton, and slaves, and arrogance" scene from Gone With the Wind. I'm Rhett Butler here, telling you a very hard truth.

There are not enough Hard Right Conservative Republicans to EVER rule this country. You are maybe 20% of the vote. You cannot win without moderates. Moderates, Center Right and Center Left, have gone for Trump. You've got Trump Democrats in huge numbers, like Reagan Democrats, for the first time since Reagan. If the Hard Right of the Party pisses it all away on a pissant like Cruz, the moderates are going to shift to Democrat or Independent, the Republicans are going to lose it all, and with control of the Supreme Court, the Democrats will change the voting laws to enfranchise the immigrants and make fraud easier, and the Republicans will never, EVER recover from that.

This time, because of the Supreme Court hanging in the balance, for the Republicans to play games and deny the winner, Trump, his victory MEANS the absolute death of conservatism as a political force in America.

You need moderate allies, and you will lose every single one of them if you do this.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-26   10:44:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Vicomte13 (#34)

Hello Vic, I've been reading your thoughts for months.....and thought I'd comment, FWIW, and IMHO.

- "Hillary will not be indicted."

I agree. - and what little political fallout occurs will be largely ignored by the majority of the general public.

- "Trump may be cheated out of the nomination.."

That perspective is only one side of the argument. Less than half of politically engaged "registered republicans" will agree, and most everyone else will look upon the GOP shenanigans as an ongoing circus act.

- "Hillary will certainly be the next President."

While you see Ms. Clinton losing only to Mr. Trump - I believe that this coming January, our fine nation will indeed have it's first Female President, regardless of whom the GOP pushes out into the spotlight.

- "...you will have Hillary Clinton and a Democrat Supreme Court, that much is certain. And you will probably have a Democrat Senate also."

I think the republicans will regret not confirming a rather moderate justice (Garland) when the newly Democrat controlled Senate is asked to confirm a nominee who is far more progressive. This will be especially apparent when the voter-suppression laws begin to be challenged in the courtrooms of Liberal judges across the country.

- "...Hillary will do as she pleases by Executive Order..."

Won't be necessary - The republican leadership in the House will adopt a new "bi-partisan" attitude so that they may continue sending the pork to their home districts and at least think they have some relevance.....

- "Republican politicians will be prosecuted for every tax code violation, election law violation and bribe they take..."

Won't be necessary - See previous remarks.

- "There are not enough Hard Right Conservative Republicans to EVER rule this country."

Correct. And following this election cycle, the GOP brand will be hard-pressed to have success in any meaningful leadership position.

Go Bucks!

Jameson  posted on  2016-04-26   13:06:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#69. To: Jameson (#55)

Hey, thanks for the message. I appreciate it.

I am not much of a partisan. I used to be a hardcore Republican, but the Republicans lost my trust years ago. Now I am independent.

My philosophic and moral positions cut across the party lines, and some are opposed by both parties.

I tend to see things on a strategic level, and see how they work through given correlations of forces and balances of power.

So when I see the Republicans making these strange rules-and-process arguments about why it's ok for them to ignore the votes in the primary and rely on arcane rules (to get the result they want) my memory has been jogged...I've seen this film before. Oh yeah, those were the arguments that the Democrats used to keep doing recounts in Florida. We saw the Democrats keep "finding" votes here and there, and we see the Republican Party doing this with the delegates. A candidate wins the primary, but he doesn't get to select the delegates to vote for him? Oh no! There's an opaque process that varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, and it's "obvious" that it should be that way?

Actually, it's unconscionable that it should be this way if it's going to mean ignoring the result of 38 primaries

And it's nuts. It guarantees that the opposition will win.

Likewise, "Better Hillary than Trump". Really?

Alright then, in that same spirit, I say "Better Hillary than any Republicans EXCEPT Trump!"

That's what the crossover Democrats who are voting for Trump will all say.

I recognize that people often get so stubborn that they HAVE TO commit suicide because they cannot back down or admit to themselves they're wrong.

Which means, as a strategic thinker, that it's time to work out what the financial, real estate and commodity markets will do with a Clinton election.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-26 15:24:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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