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Title: Are the GOP rules really rigged against Donald Trump?
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URL Source: http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/25/are- ... t-donald-trump-commentary.html
Published: Apr 26, 2016
Author: Bruce Abramson Jeff Ballabon
Post Date: 2016-04-26 06:04:05 by no gnu taxes
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“It’s not fair!” may be the most pitiful lament in the English language, but Donald Trump seems intent upon adopting it as his battle cry heading into this summer’s Republican convention. The GOP’s poorly designed nominating process includes more than its share of problems, but is it really unfair to Trump?

The question does warrant consideration — particularly given Monday morning’s announcement that the Cruz and Kasich campaigns have decided to coordinate their efforts to deny Trump the nomination.

Perhaps the unfairness is miscommunication, or worse, deceptive marketing. Nominating processes exist to select a party's standard-bearer. While there may be room to dispute whether "the party" means professional leadership, elected officials, state and county committee members, or registered members, it ought not extend to anyone who decides to participate in a primary or caucus; open primaries invite abuse from voters whose goals may not involve selecting the party's strongest representative. Those with deep ties to the party deserve greater input than those with tenuous or nonexistent connections.

Yet Democrats and Republicans alike have chosen to pretend otherwise. America's primary season has the look and feel of an extended general election, from polling places to media coverage. This season, both parties have spread the misconception, both have been caught in the lie, and both have angered many voters whose support they will need in November.

While some might see this deception as unfair, however, it has hardly worked against Trump. Trump's connection to the Republican Party is weak and of recent vintage, and he often boasts that many of his supporters are new to the Republican Party. Longstanding Republicans have generally preferred the more traditional candidates. If anything then, Trump is a beneficiary of this misrepresentation rather than its victim.

Perhaps the unfairness lies instead with the dizzyingly variable rules converting primary votes into delegates. In a reasonable system, each state would allocate delegates proportionately. As things stand, most states do not. Still, the big losers in this arena have been Marco Rubio and John Kasich; Trump has leveraged about 40 percent of the vote into about 49 percent of the delegates.

Perhaps, then, the unfairness lies with the finish line, drawn one delegate beyond the 50 percent mark. It is entirely possible that the first-place finisher — almost certainly Trump — will fail to cross that finish line on the first round. But Americans are quite comfortable with concepts like overtime, or with rules insisting that victory requires a margin of at least two points.

Few consider it unfair to award the Super Bowl, Stanley Cup, or World Series title to a team that failed to boast the best record in regular season play. Here, too, the rules have been clear for decades: if no candidate crosses the finish line in round one, play proceeds into round two, with rules different enough to permit a different outcome.

Or perhaps the unfairness stems from the mysterious "Rule 40(b)," limiting consideration to candidates winning majority support from eight state delegations — a hurdle that only Trump and Ted Cruz can clear. Perhaps Trump's complaint is that the rules committee, which meets at the start of each convention, is likely to eliminate Rule 40(b) and open the floor to additional nominees.

But Rule 40(b) was a one-time anomaly, designed to minimize Ron Paul's role in the 2012 convention. No one ever expected it to persist.

Finally, is it unfair for two of the remaining candidates to collaborate — some might say conspire — against a third? Election law contains many rules about the sorts of coordination permissible in support of a candidate, but relatively few rules about coordination to defeat a candidate. According to the strategy announce this morning, the Cruz and Kasich campaigns have simply agreed to focus their efforts in different states with upcoming primaries. Hard to see anything unfair about that.

Regardless, the tactical politicking pales in comparison to the unique advantages Trump's campaign has exploited with his enormous wealth and celebrity-driven free media coverage. Our political system hasn't been fair to Trump? Really?

No, the only plausible source of Trump's complaint is that he might not win. Despite having leveraged his marketing prowess to an improbable lead among pledged delegates, he may still fall short, collapsing in the playoffs after a remarkable regular season.

At the end of the day, and for all of its flaws, the GOP will have held a fair nominating contest if Trump breaks 1,237 votes on the first ballot to become its nominee. It will have held a fair nominating contest if an inconclusive first round allows Cruz's strategic ground game to soldier across the finish line on the second or third round. And it will have held a fair nominating contest if the delegates pull a name out of a hat to break the deadlock on the forty-second round. In the art of the deal, it's all about closing.

"It's not fair!" is a slogan for whiners, not for winners. It is not a battle cry for fierce competitors. It is, as Trump should recognize, the last refuge of pathetic wimps.

A pathetic wimp will not make America great again. Nor will a loser who declares victory upon coming close. America deserves a president who can master the complex rules of world leadership and play to win. If Trump wants to be that president, he will have to convince Americans that he possesses that mastery. Bellyaching about a set of rules that have broken to his clear advantage is hardly convincing.

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#7. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

Trump has leveraged about 40 percent of the vote into about 49 percent of the delegates.

That doesn't seem fair.

Trump currently has 844 delegates.

Cruz, Kasich, and Rubio combined have 862.

I think the Trump campaign team finally did the math and know there will at least be a second ballot call at the convention. If Rubio and Kasich delegates go to Cruz, there may be a third and fourth ballot.

Trump should be thanking the GOP for its 'beer math' delegate system. It has worked in his favor as he only has 40% of the popular votes compared to his 49% of delegates.

Of course the facts is not what most politicians are interested in.

So I don't see how people call the process unfair. Trump does not have the majority of delegates right now. He may in the next few days. He may even reach the magic number. However, right now, he does not have the majority of delegates. Three others combined do.

redleghunter  posted on  2016-04-26   8:52:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: redleghunter (#7)

"Cruz, Kasich, and Rubio combined have 862."

Are you saying we should have three Presidents?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-04-26   8:54:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: misterwhite (#10)

Are you saying we should have three Presidents?

Different process. The parties are nominating candidates for President.

redleghunter  posted on  2016-04-26   9:08:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: redleghunter (#12)

"Different process. The parties are nominating candidates for President."

Then I'll re-phrase. Are you saying we should have three Presidential candidates?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-04-26   9:13:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: misterwhite (#14)

Then I'll re-phrase. Are you saying we should have three Presidential candidates?

I'll state clearly again.

The GOP is in the nomination process for a Presidential candidate.

These rules have been in place (Convention rules) for about a half a century or longer.

redleghunter  posted on  2016-04-26   9:44:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: redleghunter (#17)

"The GOP is in the nomination process for a Presidential candidate."

Correct. A Presidential candidate. So why are you combining the delegates from three Presidential candidates?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-04-26   9:58:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: misterwhite (#20)

Correct. A Presidential candidate. So why are you combining the delegates from three Presidential candidates?

You are in the wrong 'sport.' This is a nomination process and not a general election campaign. For the GOP nomination as long as a candidate continues on the ballot in all state contests they are assured on a first ballot to have those delegates counted at the National GOP Convention.

The nomination process is an amalgamation of the 50 states and US territories state GOP conventions culminating in the GOP National Convention. It is not a national democratic election nor is our Electoral system for the general election.

Trump will no doubt have a plurality of delegates at the national convention but he will not have (most likely) a majority. If he has a majority of the delegates there will be no second ballot.

This process should not be so difficult for Republicans and any American to recognize. If in the general election for President no candidate reaches 270 electoral votes what happens? It goes to the House of Representatives. If you have an issue with that or a President who is elected with over 270 electoral votes but loses the popular vote, then you can keep company with Algore.

redleghunter  posted on  2016-04-26   10:13:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: redleghunter (#23)

This process should not be so difficult for Republicans and any American to recognize. If in the general election for President no candidate reaches 270 electoral votes what happens? It goes to the House of Representatives.

You have recounted "how the system works", but you've failed to recognize that in the end when it comes down to it, it DOESN'T work. The country NEVER unites behind the "winner" of a crooked process, the winner NEVER has a mandate. The "winner" has a disastrous presidency, and the other party sweeps to power and changes the ground rules of everything once they get it.

That's the end result of this sort of shenanigans every time.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-26   10:30:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Vicomte13 (#30)

You have recounted "how the system works", but you've failed to recognize that in the end when it comes down to it, it DOESN'T work. The country NEVER unites behind the "winner" of a crooked process, the winner NEVER has a mandate. The "winner" has a disastrous presidency, and the other party sweeps to power and changes the ground rules of everything once they get it.

That's the end result of this sort of shenanigans every time.

Would the GOP want a state by state winner takes all popular vote for their nomination? Would they want NY and CA deciding their candidate? That is why the nomination process is what it is right now.

Sure there is no consistency state by state for either party in the nomination process. It is not a federal election but a primary of a political party. Some states allow independents and Democrats to vote in GOP primaries. Is that fair when some do not and restrict primaries to registered Republicans?

The only way to have a across the board 'fair' popular vote is to restrict only registered Republicans to vote in Republican primaries.

redleghunter  posted on  2016-04-26   13:00:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: redleghunter (#53)

The only way to have a across the board 'fair' popular vote is to restrict only registered Republicans to vote in Republican primaries.

The Republican Party could insist upon that rule.

They don't.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-26   16:08:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Vicomte13 (#71)

The Republican Party could insist upon that rule.

They don't.

They did in the Colorado caucus. Name not on the registered voter list? Pound sand.

VxH  posted on  2016-04-26   17:07:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: VxH (#73)

They did in the Colorado caucus. Name not on the registered voter list? Pound sand.

Screw the people out of Trump by your convoluted rules, enjoy Hillary Clinton and a lifetime of Democrat rule.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-26   17:52:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Vicomte13 (#74) (Edited)

Screw the people out of Trump by your convoluted rules

1. Google "where is my Colorado caucus precinct"
2. Walk down the street to the local H.S.
3. Find the class room where your neighborhood caucus precinct is meeting.
4. Raise your hand, or not, when asked "who volunteers to be a delegate?".
5. Write your choices among the volunteers on a scrap of paper.
5a Have a straw poll (Cruz 22, Trump 6)
6. Selected delegates go to the state convention and select state delegates from amongst themselves.

If that's too convoluted for you to figure out then stay home and watch Gilligan's Island.

VxH  posted on  2016-04-26   19:06:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: VxH (#75)

If that's too convoluted for you to figure out then stay home and watch Gilligan's Island.

I like the idea better of federal law that rams primaries down the throat of every state, and forces the delegates to be bound to whom the state selects.

We are one country, and we should have one reasonable, transparent and predictable system for choosing our leaders.

The parties have made it hard, and are about the steal the nomination from our choice. We the People should overthrow the command of the process by the parties using law, just like we did when we took away the power of the parties to pick Senators and wrote into the Constitution that that power belongs to us.

The parties brought the direct election of Senators onto themselves by corruption. They are fast bringing federal control over primaries onto themselves by their corruption also.

After all, federal dollars are spent on Presidential elections. Therefore, we the people, whose dollars are being spent, have the right to impose election law on the parties through Congress AND WE WILL if this shit continues.

If Trump gets past all of this corruption and wins the White House, electoral reform will come in like a hurricane, and you can bet HE is not going to hold hearings on how corrupt the process is. He's already experienced, and he will use his power to sweep it away.

And that will be a good thing.

Closed or open primaries, that can be left to the states. Caucuses? Too corrupt. States should have primaries. Unbound delegates? No. The people should chose the delegates, based on whom they vote.

The parties take federal money, they can be regulated by the law. And obviously they need to be.

Don't want a federal takeover of primary elections in the interest of fairness and a republican form of government - then back down and let the winner of the primaries be the nominee. Simple. Sane.

And it breaks the enemy in a way that he can't regroup.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-26   20:44:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Vicomte13 (#77)

I like the idea better of federal law that rams primaries down the throat of every state, and forces the delegates to be bound to whom the state selects.

That might work if the political parties were federal entities. They are not.

redleghunter  posted on  2016-04-27   11:28:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: redleghunter (#79)

That might work if the political parties were federal entities. They are not.

This year's corruption in the Republican Party demonstrates why they must be made so. The parties cannot be trusted to honestly manage the process by which the Presidential candidates are chosen.

Therefore the law shall step in and impose rules, just like in every other industry.

Donald Trump has an exceptionally strong motivation to gut this current charade of a process and make it obey standard rules of fairness, transparency and honesty.

So once he's elected, I hope he will make election law reform an important objective.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-27   11:53:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Vicomte13 (#80)

This year's corruption in the Republican Party demonstrates why they must be made so. The parties cannot be trusted to honestly manage the process by which the Presidential candidates are chosen.

Seems the process as stands is still in favor of a Trump nomination of the first ballot.

By Real Clear Politics Trump has 954 or so delegates. He's 283 or so shy of the 1237 or so. 502 delegates have yet to be named (states remaining) and 172 of them are 'winner take all' from CA. Most of the other contests left are also winner take all. Given most are either deep blue Democrat states and purple states, Trump will IMO be the nominee without contest.

redleghunter  posted on  2016-04-27   17:25:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: redleghunter (#90)

Trump will IMO be the nominee without contest.

What is your biggest fear of what Trump would do?

I like him but have doubts too.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-04-27   18:00:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: A K A Stone, Vicomte13 (#93)

What is your biggest fear of what Trump would do?

I like him but have doubts too.

For me it's not a matter of what 'would do.'

My concern is his amateur approach to the GOP nomination process. Candidates need strong and experienced campaign teams to navigate the necessary and in some cases tricky minutia. I think Trump knows this now, but will he make the necessary adjustments.

Good leaders make in-stride adjustments and bold decisions. We know he can make bold decisions but can he eat a bit of his ego to make adjustments and admit certain approaches did not work or were the choices. Only leaders with that type of dynamic attitude can be competitive in Presidential political campaigning.

So my biggest concern with Trump as the GOP nominee is I don't believe his campaign team is ready for the general election and I don't think he sees the need to make changes. I could be wrong and very well may be proven wrong and I hope I am wrong, because Hitlery is a disaster.

So my biggest fear is he can't beat Hitlery.

redleghunter  posted on  2016-04-28   16:39:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: redleghunter (#105)

My concern is his amateur approach to the GOP nomination process. Candidates need strong and experienced campaign teams to navigate the necessary and in some cases tricky minutia.

Do they now.

There have been 42 elections or caucuses so far, including in the US territories.

Among them, Trump has won 27, amassing 995 delegates. Cruz has won 9, including his home state. He has 567 delegates.

It has not been close. It has been a blowout. It didn't BECOME a blowout when Trump started to play the backroom delegate game.

After Iowa, Trump took the lead and never, ever lost it - not in the elections, not in the polls. He's above 50% now, and has closed to within 3 points of Hillary for the general.

Truth is, Republican operatives who have always sided with the Establishment don't like some of Trump's stances, and have been consistently working in the backrooms trying to stop him.

And the truth is they have failed.

They have failed not because Trump picked up their game and came to them hat in hand. Nope. They failed because they have lost in election after election, and the people have defied them everywhere - North, South, West, East, Midwest, and just kept handing Trump more and more delegates.

People back the stronger horse, and politicians and billionaires are speaking for him now. This is NOT because Trump has changed up and gone with his hat in his hand. It's because the smart ones have awoken and realize that Trump has the People, and with the people he is going to win with them or without them. If he wins without them, he will owe them nothing but pain.

The party Establishment has not forced a deal upon Trump. He has not opened his eyes and changed everything. They have come to realize that they have to come to Trump if they want to have any role left after the election. That's the truth.

Sure, Trump hired Manafort, and he's sweeping up delegates in the backrooms now. In Pennsylvania, where there are 75 delegates but only 14 pledged, Trump won all across the state, and of the remaining supposedly "unbound" delegates, over half have themselves stepped forward and bound THEMSELVES to Trump. This is not because Trump has suddenly changed his game.

No matter how much Republican Establishment types want to make it about the party, or about making Trump ultimately bend the knee to them, it has been the other way around. Trump conquered the party, the people went with Trump, and the party - to save itself from self-destruction - has surrendered and are following him.

Note well his foreign policy speech yesterday. Did he give anything ANYTHING to the traditional Republican positions, to the platform as it has been? Did he soften ANYTHING?

No he did not.

The Republican Party's position in the election is that of its head, the Presidential candidate. The position used to be closet amnesty. Now it's a wall and deportation. It used to be Muslim sheiks welcome. Now it's going to be "No more until we get it sorted." It used to be "Free Trade!" Now it's going to be renegotiated deals, tarriffs and job protection. It used to be "Kill Obamacare!" Now it's "universal health insurance, with regulatory changes to make it more efficient. It used to be "Israel first and foremost!" Now it's "Even-handed broker of peace." It used to be "New Cold War against the Russians!" Now it's "Partnership with Putin". It used to be "No abortion, no exception...nudge wink." Now it's Exceptions for rape, incest and life of the mother - really.

Trump and the People have a different agenda than the Republican insiders. And Trump and the People have taken over the GOP and changed it. Some insiders wanted to fight to the death to keep control. But more want a place in the new regime.

Trump has not come to them. They have fallen in line behind Trump.

Sure, Trump has gotten more savvy about how he says things. And sure, he's using Manafort to ease his passage. But he's not compromising on anything. His policies are all the same as when he first controversially declared each one of them. He hasn't bent the knee or the neck. What he has done is broken the balls of every single candidate and Establishment structure and insider who has stood in his way.

For the general election, Trump knows it's a different fight. He knows he needs to be much more presidential, and he already is.

He also knows that the Establishment types who would give him advice have been losing elections for years, and do not understand the American voters as well as he does. All of their platitudes have been destroyed on the battlefield of elections by Trump. He knows more about how to get elected against Titanic odds than Karl Rove.

And he's amassed as many votes as Reagan did in the process.

Hillary is like Jeb, but with fewer accomplishments. He's going to beat her like a drum, install four Scalias on the Supreme Court, build a Wall, make peace with Russia, and fundamentally transform everything.

And in the process his court will probably end up saving most babies from abortion too.

Then maybe we can have the massive federal funding for orphanages and schools and child raising for the raising of the children of rape and incest when the final laws are changed, under another President.

For now, all of that will have to do. And even if the Republican Establishment still partly hates all of it, that is what is GOING to be, because Trump conquered the party and will be its new master, ruler, and policy setter.

Some will leave the party. More will join it.

People back the strong horse, and Trump is the Shadowfax of politics.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-28   19:30:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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