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Title: 22 Signs That The Global Economic Turmoil We Have Seen So Far In 2016 Is Just The Beginning
Source: The Economic Collapse
URL Source: http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/ ... -in-2016-is-just-the-beginning
Published: Feb 5, 2016
Author: Mike Snyder
Post Date: 2016-02-05 21:48:28 by U don't know me
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Views: 4253
Comments: 38

22 Signs That The Global Economic Turmoil We Have Seen So Far In 2016 Is Just The Beginning By Michael Snyder, on February 4th, 2016

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Skyline Globe Clock Gears - Public DomainAs bad as the month of January was for the global economy, the truth is that the rest of 2016 promises to be much worse. Layoffs are increasing at a pace that we haven’t seen since the last recession, major retailers are shutting down hundreds of locations, corporate profit margins are plunging, global trade is slowing down dramatically, and several major European banks are in the process of completely imploding. I am about to share some numbers with you that are truly eye-popping. Each one by itself would be reason for concern, but when you put all of the pieces together it creates a picture that is hard to deny. The global economy is in crisis, and this is going to have very serious implications for the financial markets moving forward. U.S. stocks just had their worst January in seven years, and if I am right much worse is still yet to come this year. The following are 22 signs that the global economic turmoil that we have seen so far in 2016 is just the beginning…

1. The number of job cuts in the United States skyrocketed 218 percent during the month of January according to Challenger, Gray & Christmas.

2. The Baltic Dry Index just hit yet another brand new all-time record low. As I write this article, it is sitting at 303.

3. U.S. factory orders have now dropped for 14 months in a row.

4. In the U.S., the Restaurant Performance Index just fell to the lowest level that we have seen since 2008.

5. In January, orders for class 8 trucks (the big trucks that you see shipping stuff around the country on our highways) declined a whopping 48 percent from a year ago.

6. Rail traffic is also slowing down substantially. In Colorado, there are hundreds of train engines that are just sitting on the tracks with nothing to do.

7. Corporate profit margins peaked during the third quarter of 2014 and have been declining steadily since then. This usually happens when we are heading into a recession.

8. A series of extremely disappointing corporate quarterly reports is sending stock after stock plummeting. Here is a summary from Zero Hedge of a few examples that we have just witnessed…

SHARES OF LIONS GATE ENTERTAINMENT FALL 5 PCT IN EXTENDED TRADE AFTER QUARTERLY RESULTS – RTRS TABLEAU SOFTWARE SHARES TUMBLE 40 PCT IN AFTER HOURS TRADING – RTRS YRC WORLDWIDE SHARES DOWN 16.4 PCT AFTER THE BALL FOLLOWING RESULTS – RTRS SPLUNK INC SHARES DOWN 7.6 PCT IN AFTER HOURS TRADING – RTRS LINKEDIN SHARES EXTEND DECLINE, DOWN 24 PCT AFTER RESULTS, GUIDANCE – RTRS HANESBRANDS SHARES FURTHER ADD TO LOSSES IN EXTENDED TRADE, LAST DOWN 14.9 PCT – RTRS OUTERWALL SHARES FALL 11 PCT IN EXTENDED TRADING AFTER QUARTERLY RESULTS – RTRS GENWORTH SHARES DOWN 16.5 PCT AFTER THE BELL FOLLOWING RESULTS, RESTRUCTURING PLAN

9. Junk bonds continue to crash on Wall Street. On Monday, JNK was down to 32.60 and HYG was down to 77.99.

10. On Thursday, a major British news source publicly named five large European banks that are considered to be in very serious danger…

Deutsche Bank, Credit Suisse, Santander, Barclays and RBS are among the stocks that are falling sharply sending shockwaves through the financial world, according to former hedge fund manager and ex Goldman Sachs employee Raoul Pal.

11. Deutsche Bank is the biggest bank in Germany and it has more exposure to derivatives than any other bank in the world. Unfortunately, Deutsche Bank credit default swaps are now telling us that there is deep turmoil at the bank and that a complete implosion may be imminent.

12. Last week, we learned that Deutsche Bank had lost a staggering 6.8 billion euros in 2015. If you will recall, I warned about massive problems at Deutsche Bank all the way back in September. The most important bank in Germany is exceedingly troubled, and it could end up being for the EU what Lehman Brothers was for the United States.

13. Credit Suisse just announced that it will be eliminating 4,000 jobs.

14. Royal Dutch Shell has announced that it is going to be eliminating 10,000 jobs.

15. Caterpillar has announced that it will be closing 5 plants and getting rid of 670 workers.

16. Yahoo has announced that it is going to be getting rid of 15 percent of its total workforce.

17. Johnson & Johnson has announced that it is slashing its workforce by 3,000 jobs.

18. Sprint just laid off 8 percent of its workforce and GoPro is letting go 7 percent of its workers.

19. All over America, retail stores are shutting down at a staggering pace. The following list comes from one of my previous articles…

-Wal-Mart is closing 269 stores, including 154 inside the United States.

-K-Mart is closing down more than two dozen stores over the next several months.

-J.C. Penney will be permanently shutting down 47 more stores after closing a total of 40 stores in 2015.

-Macy’s has decided that it needs to shutter 36 stores and lay off approximately 2,500 employees.

-The Gap is in the process of closing 175 stores in North America.

-Aeropostale is in the process of closing 84 stores all across America.

-Finish Line has announced that 150 stores will be shutting down over the next few years.

-Sears has shut down about 600 stores over the past year or so, but sales at the stores that remain open continue to fall precipitously.

20. According to the New York Times, the Chinese economy is facing a mountain of bad loans that “could exceed $5 trillion“.

21. Japan has implemented a negative interest rate program in a desperate attempt to try to get banks to make more loans.

22. The global economy desperately needs the price of oil to go back up, but Morgan Stanley says that we will not see $80 oil again until 2018.

It is not difficult to see where the numbers are trending.

Last week, I told my wife that I thought that Marco Rubio was going to do better than expected in Iowa.

How did I come to that conclusion?

It was simply based on how his poll numbers were trending.

And when you look at where global economic numbers are trending, they tell us that 2016 is going to be a year that is going to get progressively worse as it goes along.

So many of the exact same things that we saw happen in 2008 are happening again right now, and you would have to be blind not to see it.

Hopefully I am wrong about what is coming in our immediate future, because millions upon millions of Americans are not prepared for what is ahead, and most of them are going to get absolutely blindsided by the coming crisis.

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#1. To: U don't know me (#0)

Why do you select articles that are so depressing? My advice to you and everyone else is to invest wisely and be happy about outsmarting the banks.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-02-05   22:00:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: buckeroo (#1)

Why do you select articles that are so depressing?

Because I like dealing in truth and fact. If I wanted to hear BS I would watch the MSM. Knowledge of the truth will set you free.

U don't know me  posted on  2016-02-06   6:32:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: U don't know me (#0) (Edited)

Hopefully I am wrong about what is coming

You the man! but seriously the US has been living beyond its means for a long time and taking the rest of the world for a ride. What you are seeing is a structural adjustment, the fat is being trimmed. You are not alone in other parts of the world retail is in turmoil despite good sales, the profit margin just isn't there. Here we are seeing Masters, large DIY chain, turn up its toes, Dick Smith, electronic sales chain, in receivership,Woolworths supermarkets in trouble, some stores like blockbuster have just disappeared. Auto industry is closing, nickel smelter in receivership, empty stores in the malls, the list just goes on just like the one above. This is what you get when you print money, this is what you get when your companies are too big to fail. We are in a boom and bust cycle, the booms are shorter and the busts longer.

If DB fails because of derivatives that will be well deserved, it is time financial markets stopped playing with funny money and started looking after real money. Derivatives are used to Cook the books, swaps hide the real position and Europe is over extended just like the US. China won't be able to buy them out of it, their industries will collapse without key markets and take the rest of us with them. I'll think I will start that backyard garden afterall, might get some cabbages in time for winter

paraclete  posted on  2016-02-06   7:51:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: paraclete, U don't know me, Roscoe, Willie Green, sneakypete, Vicomte13, TooConservative (#3)

China won't be able to buy them out of it, their industries will collapse without key markets and take the rest of us with them.

You can replace exports with domestic consumption by redistribution of income. Also you need to build a lot of infrastructure and have long term planning.

But you would need to have Socialists or Communists in power. Who is ruling China, I forgot?

A Pole  posted on  2016-02-06   8:22:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: A Pole (#4) (Edited)

But you would need to have Socialists or Communists in power. Who is ruling China, I forgot?

In case you forgot China has been there and done that, they already have huge numbers of unoccupied apartments, they have upgraded their rail network, they are now upgrading their military, there is just so much you can do even if you are communist. manufacturing industries need demand it is a simple fact, and if the american and european consumer can't buy their goods this ripples through all over. What you need to offset your problems is a little dose of that socialism you recommend, infrastructure projects, new roads and bridges, you can't do this with a two year election cycle, too much short term

paraclete  posted on  2016-02-06   8:38:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: paraclete (#5)

manufacturing industries need demand it is a simple fact

They need it for what? China needs to feed, house, dress own people, etc ... What more is needed? Excess productivity can be reduced by shortening work week and longer vacation.

A Pole  posted on  2016-02-06   9:02:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: All (#6)

The reason for Deng Xiaoping reforms was to increase production. Old Soviet style economy was not able to develop backward China fast enough.

Once the level of production saturates demand, they might take break and relax.

A Pole  posted on  2016-02-06   9:07:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: U don't know me (#0)

Hopefully I am wrong about what is coming in our immediate future,

You're not. Scrap steel,copper,brass,and aluminum prices are still in the tank,and scrap yards all over America are shutting down because of it.

To give you figures you can wrap your mind around,a little over a year ago scrap steel was selling at the wholesale level for $12.50 per 1 hundred pounds of weight. Last time I checked about 2 months ago,it was down to ONE dollar per hundred pounds of weight,had been for a couple of months,and dealers were saying it might even go lower. Since then I know of 3 local scrap yards that have shut their doors because it costs them more to process (pay operating expenses) and haul the steel to buyers than they can collect from the sale.

There is damn little that is manufactured anywhere that doesn't use steel,copper,aluminum,or brass,and manufacturing is the "heart" that pumps the "blood" that keeps economies (and countries) alive and thriving. Stop manufacturing,and economies die.

One other thing to consider is manufacturers tend to buy steel,copper,aluminum,and brass 2 to 3 months before they anticipate rolling their finished products out the door,and generally speaking sales start to spike starting in Feb so they are ready for the spring sales. That ain't happening this year,and didn't happen last year. IIRC,prices dropped down to around $4.50 per hundred last year,and just sat there though the spring "rush" and then dropped to 1 dollar per hundred in late summer.

What this SHOULD tell all of us is that the banks and international financiers have known since last spring that the worldwide economy was going to tank,so they focused on clearing out there inventories and producing just enough new product to get through the winter. If the prices don't start to rise rapidly by the end of March,shortages in manufactured goods will be showing up by mid-summer.

The big lesson *I* get from all this is there is going to be a manufactured financial crisis coming down the road soon,so the really big boys (international bankers) can bankrupt a lot of medium-sized corporations and buy up their assets at a dime on the dollar at bankruptcy sales. A year or so from now a lot of those companies will be back in business but under new ownership and new management,and the stock prices will start rising again so the brokers can once again "play" the investors.

Unfortunately,a awful lot of people are going to do an awful lot of suffering in order for the globalists to extend their grip on the world economy.

If you have any money invested in heavy industry,you might want to start looking into pulling it out and investing it in things like land and food.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-06   9:19:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: paraclete (#3)

but seriously the US has been living beyond its means for a long time...

The whole damn industrialized WORLD has been living beyond it's means for a long time.

..and taking the rest of the world for a ride.

Awww,yes poor bay-bays! Get that chip off your ignorant shoulder and open your mind to the reality that you have been mis-educated by leftist loons,and the US is NOT the "Grinch that Ate the World". If anything,we have been the Saviors of the World".

These problems are created by your heroes,the globalists.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-06   9:24:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: A Pole (#4)

You can replace exports with domestic consumption by redistribution of income.

I am assuming that even a Karl Marx wannabe like you MIGHT be bright enough to have meant to use the word "imports" instead of "exports". Anybody that wants to replace exports with imports is retarded on a Biblical scale.

Having said that,I also want to say you can stick your "economic redistribution of income" and stick it in your freaking ear,comrade! Name ONE place where communism has worked.

Also you need to build a lot of infrastructure and have long term planning.

Is that ALL? WOW! Nothing like building up industries again from the ground up,rebuilding transportation systems to haul it all around,and long-term planning to deal with emergency situations that are occurring right NOW.

OOOPS! I forgot! Communism will save us all!(/S>

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-06   9:31:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: paraclete (#5)

What you need to offset your problems is a little dose of that socialism you recommend, infrastructure projects, new roads and bridges, you can't do this with a two year election cycle, too much short term

You and APole should both be neutered so you can't reproduce.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-06   9:33:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: A Pole (#4)

Who is ruling China, I forgot?

Goldman Sachs.

They say workers have to work longer hours for lower wages & benefits to remain competitive.
It's "more efficient" to whip & flog the workers until they drop dead... then you can hire new ones at even lower wages.

Willie Green  posted on  2016-02-06   10:26:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: sneakypete (#10)

"You can replace exports with domestic consumption by redistribution of income."

I am assuming that even a Karl Marx wannabe like you MIGHT be bright enough to have meant to use the word "imports" instead of "exports". Anybody that wants to replace exports with imports is retarded on a Biblical scale.

You missed my point. Large part of Chinese products goes for export. If there is a global depression or sharp fall of demand, Chinese can either to shut down their industry or replace exports with domestic consumption.

Of course you think that the first is obligatory and Chinese must fall into severe depression.

What you do not get, is that Socialist measures can work as a buffer. Yes you are right that Socialist approach might be less efficient, and that it yield less products. But in the situation when there is a shortage of demand, and surplus of supply it might exactly what doctor prescribes.

Capitalist countries during major wars were doing similar things - shifting gears into central commandeering of economy, as guns must be made for the soldiers and food for the population at fixed prices. NO MATTER what free market would say, ie greedy military contractors and food speculators.

A Pole  posted on  2016-02-06   11:24:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: sneakypete (#11)

You and APole should both be neutered so you can't reproduce.

Too late, I would have to find younger wife first.

A Pole  posted on  2016-02-06   11:26:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A Pole (#13)

You missed my point. Large part of Chinese products goes for export. If there is a global depression or sharp fall of demand, Chinese can either to shut down their industry or replace exports with domestic consumption.

Yes,but the prime point is "we" ain't the Chinese. Neither is Poland.

The Chinese economy IS in serious trouble these days though,and it is now so intertwined with the economies of the west that it spells trouble for everyone.

Unfortunately for us as well as the Chinese,there are no quick and easy fixes. Lots of people are going to have to make lots of adjustments,and lots of companies are going to fall,both in China and in the west.

What you do not get, is that Socialist measures can work as a buffer.

No one else gets it either,because socialist measures have never worked anywhere in the world to stabalize an economy and get it working again.

Never.

Not even once.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-06   15:04:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: sneakypete (#15)

"What you do not get, is that Socialist measures can work as a buffer."

No one else gets it either,because socialist measures have never worked anywhere in the world to stabalize an economy and get it working again.

Never.

Not even once.

In severe crisis like big war, you introduce manual steering of the economy. Many countries did it and it worked. Look up "war economy". It works during a war, same way it might work in economic existential danger.

A Pole  posted on  2016-02-06   16:10:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A Pole (#6)

Excess productivity can be reduced by shortening work week and longer vacation.

Great pity you have never been to China, they were feeding and clothing their people long before multinationals set up shop there. You want to talk austerity to a people who invented it. There is a factor you haven't thought about, civil unrest by the million, what do you do with 50,000 people standing in the snow waiting to get on a train? what do you do when there is a million of them because they no longer have jobs?

paraclete  posted on  2016-02-06   16:29:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: paraclete (#17)

There is a factor you haven't thought about, civil unrest by the million, what do you do with 50,000 people standing in the snow waiting to get on a train? what do you do when there is a million of them because they no longer have jobs?

Do you really think that Chinese people will want to return to the times when Western powers dominated China?

A Pole  posted on  2016-02-06   16:31:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A Pole (#16)

In severe crisis like big war, you introduce manual steering of the economy. Many countries did it and it worked.

It worked as a TEMPORARY measure during an EMERGENCY.

Socialism will NEVER work for an extended period for any group for any group larger than a small tribe.

Since you are a fan of socialism,take heart because the world is in a downhill rush to global fascism,which is socialism and communism's adult brother.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-06   18:10:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: paraclete (#17)

There is a factor you haven't thought about, civil unrest by the million, what do you do with 50,000 people standing in the snow waiting to get on a train? what do you do when there is a million of them because they no longer have jobs?

You join them unless you were one of the ruling class Mandarins/Commissars. If you are,you put on a disguise and pretend to be one if you want to keep on living.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-06   18:13:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A Pole (#18) (Edited)

Do you really think that Chinese people will want to return to the times when Western powers dominated China?

I'm talking more recent history than that, China has no recollection of that time, their recollection is being dominated, raped, pillaged and killed by Japan. Their push into the South China Sea is to reassert their authority over the region and counter Japan the only modern threat that China had was the US in Korea

paraclete  posted on  2016-02-06   21:00:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: paraclete (#21)

"Do you really think that Chinese people will want to return to the times when Western powers dominated China?"

I'm talking more recent history than that, China has no recollection of that time, their recollection is being dominated, raped, pillaged and killed by Japan.

I see, they do not remember Opium Wars and how they collapsed from the greatest world economy into destitution and contempt. They do not have history in the school and are dumb in general.

Then you are right, they will gladly follow Western siren call into new Somalia, blaming Japan for everything. Because you wish to be so.

A Pole  posted on  2016-02-07   1:30:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: sneakypete (#20)

You join them unless you were one of the ruling class Mandarins/Commissars. If you are,you put on a disguise and pretend to be one if you want to keep on living.

Is it what were you doing in your life?

A Pole  posted on  2016-02-07   1:32:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: A Pole (#22) (Edited)

Then you are right, they will gladly follow Western siren call into new Somalia, blaming Japan for everything. Because you wish to be so.

I don't wish it to be so but not all are steeped in ancient history and the Opium wars are ancient history

. China sees a future in Africa

paraclete  posted on  2016-02-07   3:16:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: paraclete (#24)

I don't wish it to be so but not all are steeped in ancient history and the Opium wars are ancient history

For the Chinese Opium Wars, revolts against colonial domination (including Boxers/Kuomintang/Communists) etc ... are as important as American Revolution, Civil War, Great Depression, Cold War for Americans.

Plus memory of thousands years of history encoded in their culture. True, there is a number of ignoramuses and idiots, but I would not count on them.

But if Chinese memory were so short as you suggest, the present democratization of Libya, Syria and Iraq is not hard to overlook.

A Pole  posted on  2016-02-07   3:25:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: A Pole (#23)

You join them unless you were one of the ruling class Mandarins/Commissars. If you are,you put on a disguise and pretend to be one if you want to keep on living.

Is it what were you doing in your life?

What's your current brain fart leading you to say,comrade? Do the voices in your head tell you I am of the ruling class and going into hiding?

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-07   7:13:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: A Pole (#25)

Plus memory of thousands years of history encoded in their culture.

That is the SOURCE of their culture.

Everyone else's,too.

True,cultures evolve,but just because they make minor alterations due to current experiences and even technology,that doesn't mean their basic culture changes overnight.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-07   7:16:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: sneakypete (#26)

you put on a disguise and pretend to be one if you want to keep on living.

Is it what were you doing in your life?

Do the voices in your head tell you I am of the ruling class and going into hiding?

You do not pay attention. What you implied is belonging to the subject class and pretending to be on the side of the rulers.

People tend to judge others by themselves, often unconsciously. So the question

A Pole  posted on  2016-02-07   9:26:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: sneakypete (#27)

True,cultures evolve,but just because they make minor alterations due to current experiences and even technology,that doesn't mean their basic culture changes overnight

Chinese have long memory and plan in long term. America for them is a very young country. Having more than 40 centuries of history they feel like 40 year old guy being lectured by 3 years old.

A Pole  posted on  2016-02-07   9:32:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: A Pole (#28)

. What you implied is belonging to the subject class and pretending to be on the side of the rulers.

You read that using your communist-tinted glasses,so naturally that is he way you saw it.

What I clearly implies was that the ruling class would have to wear a disguise if they wanted to keep living.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-07   10:14:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: A Pole (#29)

Chinese have long memory and plan in long term.

On that we are in agreement.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-07   10:16:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: sneakypete (#30)

What I clearly implies was that the ruling class would have to wear a disguise if they wanted to keep living.

Either way, you are not a member of the ruling class. At most you are their servant.

A Pole  posted on  2016-02-07   11:12:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: A Pole (#32)

Either way, you are not a member of the ruling class.

Was there some sort of point you were trying to make hidden in there,somewhere?

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-07   11:52:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: sneakypete (#33)

Was there some sort of point you were trying to make hidden in there,somewhere?

I don't know. It was your idea about hiding: "you put on a disguise and pretend to be one if you want to keep on living."

Why disguise and pretending come first to your mind? Must be on your mind.

A Pole  posted on  2016-02-07   15:30:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: A Pole (#34)

I don't know.

I don't know why I was surprised about your confusion. You still think communism is a good idea,so you are obviously confused by many things.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-08   8:47:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: sneakypete (#35)

You still think communism is a good idea

I never said it.

What I say is that unbridled capitalism may be worse than socialism. Vide Irish Famine, slave trade and modern usury.

A Pole  posted on  2016-02-08   13:00:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: A Pole (#36)

What I say is that unbridled capitalism may be worse than socialism.

I'd call that one a draw. Unbridled Capitalism is nothing more than Fascism,which is the adult brother of communism and socialism.

And all three are nothing more than a modern version of feudalism,complete with nobility and serfs.

We don't have unbridled capitalism in this country,but we do seem to be getting closed with each election,and I ain't happy about it.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-08   13:19:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: sneakypete (#37)

I'd call that one a draw.

Why not.

A Pole  posted on  2016-02-08   14:35:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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