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Title: DC bill would pay people stipends not to commit crimes
Source: Associated Press
URL Source: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie ... AULT&CTIME=2016-02-02-13-17-17
Published: Feb 2, 2016
Author: Ben Nuckols
Post Date: 2016-02-02 17:54:20 by cranky
Keywords: None
Views: 1448
Comments: 15

They say crime doesn't pay, but that might not be entirely true in the District of Columbia as lawmakers look for ways to discourage people from becoming repeat offenders.

The D.C. Council voted unanimously Tuesday to approve a bill that includes a proposal to pay residents a stipend not to commit crimes. It's based on a program in Richmond, California, that advocates say has contributed to deep reductions in crime there.

Under the bill, city officials would identify up to 200 people a year who are considered at risk of either committing or becoming victims of violent crime. Those people would be directed to participate in behavioral therapy and other programs. If they fulfill those obligations and stay out of trouble, they would be paid.

The bill doesn't specify the value of the stipends, but participants in the California program receive up to $9,000 per year.

Councilmember Kenyan McDuffie, a Democrat who wrote the legislation, said it was part of a comprehensive approach to reducing violent crime in the city, which experienced a 54 percent increase in homicides last year. Homicides and violent crime are still down significantly since the 2000s, and even more so since the early 1990s when the District was dubbed the nation's "murder capital."

McDuffie argued that spending $9,000 a year in stipends "pales in comparison" to the cost of someone being victimized, along with the costs of incarcerating the offender.

"I want to prevent violent crime - particularly gun violence - by addressing the root causes and creating opportunities for people, particularly those individuals who are at the highest risks of offending," McDuffie, a former prosecutor, said in a letter to constituents last week.

Democratic Mayor Muriel Bowser has not committed to funding the program, which would cost $4.9 million over four years, including $460,000 a year in stipend payments, according to the District's independent chief financial officer. Without the mayor's support, it would be up to the Council to find money for it through new taxes or cuts to existing programs.

The program would be run independently of the police department, and participants would remain anonymous. Its goal would be to recruit people who are at risk of violence but don't have criminal cases pending.

In Richmond, 79 percent of "fellows" participating in the program have not been suspected of involvement in any gun crimes since joining the program, and 84 percent have not been injured by gunfire, the program's executive director, DeVone Boggan, said in a report to the Council.

Richmond experienced a 77 percent drop in homicides between 2007, when the program was launched, and 2014, although how much can be specifically attributed to the stipends is unclear.

The proposal in Washington has generated scant debate as lawmakers have focused on other crime-fighting tools included in the bill. Longtime civic activist Dorothy Brizill was the only person to testify against the stipend program at a lengthy hearing last fall, saying it would waste taxpayer dollars.

"These incentive programs don't work," Brizill said Tuesday.

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#1. To: cranky (#0)

"Richmond experienced a 77 percent drop in homicides ... although how much can be specifically attributed to the stipends is unclear."

Shouldn't that be determined before declaring this idiotic program a success which other cities want to emulate?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-02-02   19:05:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: cranky (#0)

"a proposal to pay residents a stipend not to commit crimes."

I propose we take away their momma's welfare if they commit crimes.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-02-02   19:10:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: cranky (#0)

Well, since I always carry and since it is a big time crime in the nations cess pool to carry, tell her to send me monthly stipend and I will no longer drive into Washington, DC.

Eli, Eli, nai erchomai Kurios Iesous.

BobCeleste  posted on  2016-02-02   20:43:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: misterwhite (#2)

I propose we take away their momma's welfare if they commit crimes.

I second that proposal.

There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't

cranky  posted on  2016-02-02   21:08:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: cranky (#0)

sit down money, where can we sign up, for $9000 a year I will guarantee I will not commit a crime

paraclete  posted on  2016-02-02   22:42:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: paraclete (#5)

In Oz, all you can do is wish. You can't even hold a firearm unless supervised by your government representative. I hear that Aussie males can't even hold their dicks while peeing in a publick trough without government approval, too.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-02-02   23:03:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: buckeroo (#6)

In Oz, all you can do is wish. You can't even hold a firearm unless supervised by your government representative. I hear that Aussie males can't even hold their dicks while peeing in a publick trough without government approval, too.

There is a great deal of misinformation in the United States, much of it promolgated by the gun lobby who want to sell guns here, but only yesterday a guy was arrested with an AK47, now where did he get that from? The thing is that, unlike the yanks, we have better things to do than stand around holding our dicks while watching dickheads try to become President, unfortunately quite frequently one of them succeeds

paraclete  posted on  2016-02-02   23:58:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: paraclete (#7)

"but only yesterday a guy was arrested with an AK47, now where did he get that from?"

So the program is working, huh? We have a saying here -- When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns".

I was at a gun range with my "assault rifle" and the guy next to me had an AK-47. Neither one of us were arrested. It's called "freedom".

misterwhite  posted on  2016-02-03   10:42:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: misterwhite (#8) (Edited)

When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns".

yes this fellow was a criminal, possessing illegal weapons. Police entered his house on a different matter and found an arsenal, still the question remains where did the gun come from? It might have remainded hidden, not having been given up in the amnisty, or imported illegally, or he could have been an unlucky collector, many have that excuse.

I have no objection to legal guns being used at a firing range, that is responsible possession and usage. However I do object to irresponsible behaviour around guns. As a child I took my uncles hand gun and pointed it at another child. I should not have been able to access it. On more than one occasion my son stole guns and acted out fantacies terrorising the neighbourhood. Fortunately noone was injured but I am fully in favour of tight gun control

paraclete  posted on  2016-02-03   18:21:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: paraclete (#9)

"yes this fellow was a criminal, possessing illegal weapons."

So the law had zero effect on the one class of owners where it was most important -- the criminal class. Did you think it would?

"I have no objection to legal guns being used at a firing range"

Mighty white of you. But our use of guns at a firing range is merely practice for the real thing -- self-defense.

"but I am fully in favour of tight gun control"

Not tight -- but a firm grip will give you the gun control you're looking for. Practice, practice, practice.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-02-03   18:34:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: misterwhite (#10)

I can see by your response you are what we call a gunnut, where all reason goes out the window once you get a butt in your hand. It was once fashionable here for young men to wander the country side blasting away at anything that vaguely resembled prey. Haven't heard of a gun related accident in years. These days our young men prefer to hunt pigs with dogs and knives, they consider it more sporting, the knives being of higher calibre than the guns available. We suggest you try it for that adrenalin rush

paraclete  posted on  2016-02-03   20:31:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: paraclete (#11)

"I can see by your response you are what we call a gunnut, where all reason goes out the window once you get a butt in your hand."

Nope. Just a typical legal gun owner. We're the ones who end up stopping the violence, not creating it.

As far as hunting goes, we're proud to have the opportunity afforded us under the second amendment to choose between knives and guns.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-02-04   10:11:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: paraclete (#11)

our young men prefer to hunt pigs with dogs and knives

Is that on Xbox or PlayStation?

Roscoe  posted on  2016-02-04   10:15:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: cranky (#0)

I hope we get it here and I qualify, I could use another $9,000.

rlk  posted on  2016-02-04   15:25:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: rlk (#14)

I hope we get it here and I qualify, I could use another $9,000.

I wonder if you'd get more for not committing felonies rather than not committing misdemeanors.

There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't

cranky  posted on  2016-02-04   16:43:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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