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Title: Those Jamokes In Oregon Aren't Terrorists, They're Jamokes
Source: DeadSpin
URL Source: http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/th ... rists-theyre-jamoke-1750918911
Published: Jan 4, 2016
Author: Albert Burneko
Post Date: 2016-01-04 17:10:19 by Willie Green
Keywords: None
Views: 8049
Comments: 46

Those Jamokes In Oregon Aren't Terrorists, They're Jamokes

The American political lexicon has an appropriate word for the armed men conspicuously loitering in part of Oregon’s Malheur National Wildlife Refuge instead of going home. It is not terrorist or militia or occupation or revolution or movement or front or army or resistance. The word is jamoke. “Get a load of these sad jamokes!” is the thing you say about them.

Maybe when they are done annexing this remote administrative office’s supply of free park maps and permit application forms, they will liberate rural Oregon’s port-a-johns next. Some of the port-a-johns are heavily fortified with locking doors and hand sanitizer pumps. Surely this will call for siege weaponry.

Imagine the grade of sad, stunted halfwit who decks himself out in paramilitary regalia and lethal weaponry to stage a sit-in at what is for all intents and purposes a remote wildlife park’s visitor’s center. Okay, men, when I kick in the door, you three move on the 74-year-old v0lunteer who shows the birdwatching slideshow to elementary-school field trip groups; if she makes a move, be ready to take her down with force. The rest of us will establish a defensive position behind the cardboard beaver. If bigger goobers than these exist on our planet, you identify them by the bruises from where they poked themselves in the eye while trying to pick their noses.

BREAKING: White Men Enter Building In Rural Oregon, Act Like They Run The Place. Here is a question: At which rural Oregon building isn’t that true? That shit happens at 9:00 in the morning literally every day at literally every building in rural and suburban America. It is called the start of the workday. Maybe these shit-for-brains jamokes can push a broom around while they’re there, or take the recycling to the curb. Make yourselves useful, clowns!

A tragicomic thing happens, though, when a handful of slow-witted white dorks in their best Sunday camo decide to take their guns and their entitled, useless, cosmically unserious day-to-day dull-eyed skulking to a minor government shack and pretend it’s some sort of insurrection against tyranny. Liberal internet users’ latent frustration at the disproportionality and unfairness of the way American law enforcement and media treat different kinds of people tips over into a mild derangement that has us likening these shit-for-brains dinguses to friggin’ ISIS. This is understandable! We’re just about a week from an Ohio grand jury deciding that summary execution is a fair consequence for 12-year-old kids who play with toys outdoors; by that standard, the entire state of Oregon should be a radioactive desert right now. This seems a fair thing to point out.

Still, hang on. First, watch this nimrod tearfully explain to his family that he had to miss Christmas and New Year’s Eve because his solemn duty to the Constitution required him to go to a wildlife park’s empty administrative building and hang out there for a while in the desperate hope that someone outside his brotherhood of blinkered morons would decide this makes him Andrew Pickens:

All together now: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Hey Jon, pick up some toilet paper and fruit roll-ups on the way home, wouldja?

Here is the thing. These men are not frightening. They are jamokes. They are exactly jamokes. Their guns, on the other hand, are very frightening—for precisely and entirely the same reason and to absolutely the same degree that those same guns would be frightening in the hands of toddlers. Not because the people holding those guns are serious, but because the people holding those guns are not serious.

This, my good buddies, is the entire American pro-gun argument made (embarrassing, oh my God so fucking embarrassing) flesh. A big scary gun lends a degree of real power even to the variety of sad, corny-ass loser who invades and occupies what is essentially a fancy birdhouse in the name of ending tyranny. That is the whole reason to have a big scary gun. Not as a safeguard against home invaders or the totalitarian state, but as a safeguard against a clear-eyed reckoning with plain reality. A gun is—or at least these jamokes hope it is—a Get Out Of Getting Laughed At Free card. When you call these horse’s asses “terrorists,” you are not only dignifying their ridiculous, impotent actions, you are doing them the biggest favor for which they can hope.

Here is what this is: it’s the moment the gun-humping right pantsed itself for all the world to see. Look at these sad cowards! The smallness of their acting-out; the transparency of their bullshit; the fraudulence of their anti-authoritarian pose; the convenience of the fact that their active search for a tyranny against which to rebel—it wasn’t coming to take their guns away, you see—led them to an unoccupied building of zero value in the middle of nowhere, where the most aggressive response they’ll muster from the government they so eagerly pretend to fear is an irritated phone call from a Bureau of Land Management flack. There’s no reason to join them in the collective fantasy that they represent a threat to anything other than the urine-free status of this random building’s bathroom sink.

Some morons decided to take a vacation from reality. They brought their guns along. The rest of the world actually does not have to join them! Eventually they will get bored of waiting for tyranny to come certify their jagoff fantasy. Maybe they will leave a bag of flaming crap on tyranny’s doorstep on their way back home. (1 image)

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#7. To: Willie Green (#3) (Edited)

I hope your ghetto gets it 1st !

Moke has had several senses down the centuries: in Britain, it meant a donkey or mule (first recorded in the 1830s but probably a lot older); in Australia, rather later on, it could mean an inferior horse. In the US, it became an offensive term for a black person (obviously taken from the earlier animal meaning). By the 1850s, it had arrived at a meaning of some foolish or contemptible person, or more simply, just somebody you dislike. Trying to pin down the meaning more tightly is as difficult as it always is with slang terms; Harvey Keitel was confused about it in the film Mean Streets back in 1973 and a lot of people would have trouble defining it even now. In this sense it is very much still around, though usually said and written mook.

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2016-01-04   17:55:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: TooConservative (#4)

Should the WI union scum that attacked and occupied the state capitol be arrested and tried for terrorism too? Because the statute of limitations has not run out on that.

The statute of limitations for what??? Littering & Loitering???

The Wisconsin protesters weren't threatening anybody with firearms... the Oregon Jamokes are...
that's where the Oregon Jamokes crossed the line and became domestic terrorists instead of just government protesters.

Willie Green  posted on  2016-01-04   18:06:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: BorisY (#7)

I hope your ghetto gets it 1st !

Willie Green  posted on  2016-01-04   18:12:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: sneakypete (#6)

Any other Americans exercising their rights to protest you want to see your friendly Obomber government murder,Willie?

No, just the dangerous whacknut extremists who are crossing the line from peaceful protest to armed rebellion. If they want to protest, they need to be carrying signs, not firearms.

Willie Green  posted on  2016-01-04   18:21:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Willie Green (#10)

DNC - Hamas - isis - black lives matter ... rape - riot - pillage - plunder - sudden jihad syndrome - * PC SHARIAH * --- what's the difference !

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2016-01-04   18:28:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Willie Green (#10)

No, just the dangerous whacknut extremists who are crossing the line from peaceful protest to armed rebellion.

You mean like the Muslims,Calypso Louie and his pals,the BLM crowd,union protesters,etc,etc,etc?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-01-04   18:39:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Willie Green, Jamoke Lives Matter (#0)

#JamokeLivesMatter


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2016-01-04   19:00:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: BorisY (#7)

in Australia, rather later on, it could mean an inferior horse. In

Today moke means an open fun recreational vehicle based on a mini and easily mistaken for a dune buggy, a sort of inferior jeep. Other meanings include to moke around, like do nothing in a semi depressed state

paraclete  posted on  2016-01-04   19:37:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: TooConservative (#4)

So, can we assume that you wanted exactly the same treatment for the union scum who broke into the Wisconsin state capitol, caused millions in damage to their marble, left a filthy mess behind, and caused legislators and their staff to flee through an angry and menacing mob?

or the OWS movement that caused in excess of $12 million in property damage ,about a dozen deaths and rapes .

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2016-01-04   19:39:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: sneakypete (#12)

You mean like the Muslims,Calypso Louie and his pals,the BLM crowd,union protesters,etc,etc,etc?

Peaceful protest is one thing, petey...
armed insurrection is something else...
if you don't know the difference, then shame on you...

Willie Green  posted on  2016-01-04   19:59:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: paraclete (#14)

moke around, like do nothing in a semi depressed state

mope around - slow mode !

where I live moke is a ... very slang - racist word --- that could get you in trouble !

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2016-01-04   20:01:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Willie Green, sneakypete, tomder55, misterwhite (#16)

Peaceful protest is one thing, petey...

They're peaceful.

They're miles away from anyone and the FBI and local law enforcement are keeping away.

No one is terrorized at all.

Unlike the takeover of the Wisconsin capitol where legislators and staff certainly were terrorized and had good reason to fear for their safety as they were forced to run a gauntlet of hostile threatening union thugs to exit the building. That was entirely deliberate.

Peaceful protests, my ass.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-01-04   20:11:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: TooConservative (#18)

I wish I coulda been there to watch the Wisconsin legislators pee their pants.
It must've been hilarious. Frightened by a rowdy bunch of schoolteachers... LOL!

Willie Green  posted on  2016-01-04   20:28:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Willie Green (#0)

I want to take the tyme to personally thank you for ensuring a powerful message by Jon, the Marine, within yur article. If we had more Americans like him, America would be safe from a tyrannical government.

Again, thank you.

buckeroo

buckeroo  posted on  2016-01-04   20:32:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Willie Green (#19)

They were all white. Pretty funny protest.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2016-01-04   20:35:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: buckeroo (#20)

If we had more Americans like him, America would be safe from a tyrannical government.

I bet his wife & kids felt safer just getting the whacknut out of the house for the holidays.
If she were smart, she'd get a court order to stop him from ever coming back or getting custody of the kids.
That deluded loser is dangerous and should be locked up in a padded cell.

Willie Green  posted on  2016-01-04   20:51:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Willie Green (#22)

I bet his wife & kids felt safer just getting the whacknut out of the house for the holidays.

They were armed to the teeth, well-trained and prepared to stop tyranny. They were not capable of picking up a telephone to call 9-1-1 and wait to have violent crime in their own home because the government was on a donut break or some other shift break.

If she were smart, she'd get a court order to stop him from ever coming back or getting custody of the kids.

Why? Guarding and defending the US Constitution and the actual meaning not your cup of tea?

That deluded loser is dangerous and should be locked up in a padded cell.

Why would you say that? Jon presented a clear case of substantiated reason. And I want to thank you for presenting Jon's opinions on your thread for the vewing publick. You are a human dynomo for the cause of liberty!

buckeroo  posted on  2016-01-04   20:59:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Willie Green, sneakypete (#16) (Edited)

You mean like the Muslims,Calypso Louie and his pals,the BLM crowd,union protesters,etc,etc,etc?

Peaceful protest is one thing, petey... armed insurrection is something else... if you don't know the difference, then shame on you.

Green,

I notice you leapfrog over the reason for the protest and start in the middle of things. Those people you label as insurrectionists are there for a damned good reason. Somebody is being maliciously persecuted and attacked for the purpose of consolidating the power of a government agency who are what used to be known in the army as empire builders, a (generally worthless) person or group who was attempting to obtain illicit position of power and prestige by subjugating others. If the protestors have no way to avoid subjugation except by weapons, may the gods help them.

Another tactic you have down pat is the art of victimology. The thugs and theives in the world who prey upon people have learned to present themselves as innocent victims instead of victimizers. They have learned to argue an exchange of roles. You're in it with them by force of habit and mental defieciency.

About two years ago I had a group breaking into my truck. I got arrested once for driving without license plates. They had even stolen the plates of the back of my truck and I didn't catch it when I got in to drive. On the particular night in question I came down the stairs after them just before the police drove up. The had their story all arranged. They complained to the cops with sorrowful innocent looks, "That old man was after us with a knife." It wasn't a knife. It was a samurai sword.

This thievery has cost me about $45,000 in stuff stolen from my apartment and my building site. I'm sick of it, and I'm sick of people like you who think in collusion with it. The sheriff's department doesn't like my attitude. I told them I'd wipe the thieving bastards out. I haven't been out to my building site for a year because there is a good chance I would need to shoot theives and degenerates to get in. Between the sheriff's department, the prosecutors, and cocksuckers like you on the jury, I'll spend the rest of my days behind bars.

rlk  posted on  2016-01-04   23:50:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: buckeroo (#23)

Why would you say that? Jon presented a clear case of substantiated reason.

No... he's clearly disgruntled, distraught, emotionally disturbed & delusional... no different than disaffected Muslims who martyr themselves for Allah & ISIS. Instead of pretending he's defending the Alamo like Davy Crockett, he should be seeking psychiatric help. He's a total nutjob, no ifs, ands or buts about it.

Willie Green  posted on  2016-01-05   5:50:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: paraclete (#14)

Other meanings include to moke around, like do nothing in a semi depressed state

You mean "mope",not "moke".

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-01-05   6:07:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Willie Green (#16)

Peaceful protest is one thing, petey...

Since when have the Muslims,including Calypso Louie and his band of criminal thugs,the BLM (Shopping bees FREE!)crowd,or union protesters ever been peaceful? ALL are criminal thugs that operate on intimidation and threats of violence while hiding behind Dim governments.

They are all a little less peaceful than the KKK.

if you don't know the difference, then shame on you...

If the shoe fits......

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-01-05   6:11:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: TooConservative, Willie Green, All (#18)

Peaceful protest is one thing, petey...

They're peaceful.

They're miles away from anyone and the FBI and local law enforcement are keeping away.

There aren't even doing any "discount big screen teebee" shopping by looting shopping centers.

That's why you don't see any black BLM protesters there. No shoe stores,liquor stores,or Wal-Marts to loot to "liberate free stuff".

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-01-05   6:15:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: rlk (#24)

Those people you label as insurrectionists are there for a damned good reason. Somebody is being maliciously persecuted and attacked for the purpose of consolidating the power of a government agency

No, those anti-government cranks are trying to piggyback their own grievences alongside those of a couple disgruntled asonists who were convicted by a jury of their peers.

About two years ago I had a group breaking into my truck.

There's no way to verify your personal sob story, so I honestly don't give a crap what you CLAIM might have happened to you. As far as I'm concerned, it's just a bunch of bullcrap.

Willie Green  posted on  2016-01-05   6:18:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: sneakypete (#28)

They're miles away from anyone and the FBI and local law enforcement are keeping away.

The FBI and local LEOs are keeping away because the domestic terrorist threatened to shoot them if they came close. That's why it wouldn't bother me if the feds brought in the drones and treated them like ISIS jihadis. If the paranoid nutjobs want to die believing that they're defending the Alamo, that's fine by me. As long as no peaceful law-abiding citizens get hurt, the feds need to get rid of as many kooks as they can, both foreign AND domestic.

Willie Green  posted on  2016-01-05   6:32:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Willie Green (#30) (Edited)

The FBI and local LEOs are keeping away because the domestic terrorist threatened to shoot them if they came close.

HorseHillary! Are you so freaking ignorant that you don't understand the protesters are vastly outgunned,and even the threat of shooting feral agents for doing nothing more than "coming close" would do nothing but encourage them to bring in the armored cars and automatic weapons?

"Fight back if attacked" is NOT the same thing as "shoot them if they come close".

That's why it wouldn't bother me if the feds brought in the drones and treated them like ISIS jihadis.

No,it wouldn't bother you because you love Big Massa Goobermint and love the idea of the feral government crushing rural people who you don't like and know nothing about under their boot heels. Makes you feel superior.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-01-05   7:04:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Willie Green (#29)

No, those anti-government cranks are trying to piggyback their own grievences alongside those of a couple disgruntled asonists who were convicted by a jury of their peers.

You really are addicted to that government Kool-Aid,ain't you?

Burning off underbrush on your OWN property is NOT arson no matter what lies a government DA tells a jury of city creatures in order to get a conviction. People that live in rural areas where brush and grass grow very high HAVE to set fires in self-defense when it gets to a certain height and they catch the wind blowing in the right direction. It's either that or risk losing their houses,barns,equipment,and livestock. The feral government is SUPPOSED to manage the land they control the same way,but due to budget cuts that give them fewer employees on the ground and more in management due to PC appointees they rarely do it.

You can safely burn it when it's not very high because it is easy to control. The problem is when you notify the feds you are going to do this,they usually tell you to hold off and they will come do it for you. Then they don't show up and the grass is too high to burn,or already turned green and won't burn. Which means you have a even bigger monster of a fire hazard the following fall because the grass that is dying is taller and there is more of it. Plus you don't want to burn it because by fall the wildlife is building nests to live through the winter and you would destroy their homes and cause them and their young to die. IF you had burned off the tall grass early in the spring,newer green grass would have grown high enough to be useful to them for building nests,but not be a 6 foot tall fire hazard.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-01-05   7:15:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: sneakypete (#31)

"Fight back if attacked" is NOT the same thing as "shoot them if they come close".

Bottom Line: they're illegally trespassing on federal property.
If they came to "protest," then they should've come peacefully & unarmed.
If they want to "fight back if attacked," then fuck 'em, same as if they were ISIS jihadis.
If they want to commit mass suicide by cop, that's their choice.
As far as I'm concerned, it's just another Jonestown & they're the ones who drank the Kool-Aid.

Willie Green  posted on  2016-01-05   7:25:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: sneakypete (#32)

Burning off underbrush on your OWN property is NOT arson no matter what lies a government DA tells a jury of city creatures in order to get a conviction.

The rest of your rant is nothing but pure bullcrap, pete.
The jury was made up of LOCALS who understand ranching, not "city creatures" who were spoonfed lies from the DA.

Source: Judge sends Oregon ranchers back to prison

“It wasn’t a jury of people from Eugene, it wasn’t a jury of people from Portland. It was a jury of people from Pendleton — your peers,” she [Aiken] said.

Pendleton is supposedly famous for the Pendleton Round-Up, their annual rodeo, petey.
Those aren't "city creatures" who do that. Those are ranchers & cowboys.

So now that you've been PROVEN to be full of bullcrap, quit making excuses for a bunch of disgruntled domestic terrorists.

Willie Green  posted on  2016-01-05   7:57:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Willie Green (#34)

You support Double Jeopardy.

You also support murdering babies.

You're sick Willie.

If there was any justice in the country the government would put you to sleep. You're what they call a useless eater.

You have no value Willie.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-01-05   8:07:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Willie Green (#29)

There's no way to verify your personal sob story, so I honestly don't give a crap what you CLAIM might have happened to you.

You don't give a crap about anybody or anything except your own distorted personal mission to inflict punisment on others as compensation for your own shortcomings. That's been evident from your posts here for months.

rlk  posted on  2016-01-05   8:13:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: A K A Stone (#35)

And Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols and the whole Michigan Milita/KKK can all rot in hell as well.

Willie Green  posted on  2016-01-05   8:31:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Willie Green (#37)

And Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols and the whole Michigan Milita/KKK can all rot in hell as well.

Unless they are forgiven.

You're worse then the KKK Willie.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-01-05   8:33:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: A K A Stone (#38)

Unless they are forgiven.

They won't be forgiven because they're too evil to repent.

Willie Green  posted on  2016-01-05   8:49:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Willie Green (#39)

Unless they are forgiven. They won't be forgiven because they're too evil to repent.

Do you repent of empowering people who murder children? You know Hillary, Barack, Kerry, Billy, Jimmy.

Why is the militia of Michigan bad?

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-01-05   8:58:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Willie Green (#3)

"I hope the feds use a drone to flatten the birdhouse before the idiot jamokes can hurt someone besides themselves."

I thought the purpose of a citizen's militia was to deal with an oppressive federal government. Keep in mind that the second amendment was written to ensure that those citizens had arms.

Now you're calling them "idiot jamokes"? So they have no right to oppose the federal government? Then why do we need the second amendment?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-01-05   9:01:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Willie Green (#34)

The jury was made up of LOCALS who understand ranching, not "city creatures" who were spoonfed lies from the DA.

Most of them were towndwellers who were driving over 2 hours each way during the 8-day trial.

The judge kept them there until they convicted. It was not the result they originally delivered.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-01-05   10:20:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: A K A Stone (#35)

If there was any justice in the country the government would put you to sleep. You're what they call a useless eater.

We might be able to lure Willie into a cattle car if we tell him it's a high-speed cattle car.

Then, straight to FEMA's Hardin, Montana death camp.

That was a wildly funny story. Some of us had a ball with that over at LP. The tinfoilers were going completely berserk as the story became just more and more bizarre and pathetic.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-01-05   10:25:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: TooConservative (#42)

It don't matter if they were cowboys living on a ranch or a butcher/teacher/barber/preacher living in town --- locals are all locals who are familiar with local issues that affect each other.

And the jury's verdict didn't change a bit.
The only thing that changed was the judge's sentence.
The Appeals Court overruled the original sentence, but the jury verdict remained the same: GUILTY.

Willie Green  posted on  2016-01-05   10:35:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Willie Green (#44)

It don't matter if they were cowboys living on a ranch or a butcher/teacher/barber/preacher living in town --- locals are all locals who are familiar with local issues that affect each other.

Not true at all, having lived in small towns.

People can live a lifetime surrounded by farms and not grasp the real issues facing farmers. Teachers, retirees, government workers, store owners and workers, etc. They aren't hanging out on those farms and they don't generally have a lot of daily contact with the local farmers, especially in places like Nevada where so many ranchers live a long way from town and rarely come in other than for supplies.

Most of these jurors came from a town of 8,000 about 2 hours away by highway, over a hundred miles. People are quite scarce across Nevada, once you get outside Vegas and a couple other towns. That's because 84.5% of the state is owned by the feds. And they are greedy about trying to force rural residents out so they can gobble up more for themselves. That is what this case is about. The feds are trying a hostile takeover on this ranching family. They have already driven out most of the Hammond's neighbors with dirty tricks and this is the feds playing hardball, trying to ruin the Hammonds so that others won't fight them in their ongoing land takeover schemes.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-01-05   10:48:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: TooConservative (#45) (Edited)

The feds are trying a hostile takeover on this ranching family. They have already driven out most of the Hammond's neighbors with dirty tricks and this is the feds playing hardball, trying to ruin the Hammonds so that others won't fight them in their ongoing land takeover schemes.

That's a great accomplishment. Putting the Hammonds in jail for five years on trumped up charges should get the job done.

rlk  posted on  2016-01-05   11:04:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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