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'I Have Resigned --- From the Republican Party' Source: newsmax.com URL Source: http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/fr ... 12232015&s=al&dkt_nbr=ne4nxle9 Published: Dec 22, 2015 Author: Todd Beamon Post Date: 2015-12-23 14:06:41 by BorisY Keywords: media matrix 666 mark of the b, media matrix 666 mark of the b, media matrix 666 mark of the b Views: 2094 Comments: 16 Franklin Graham: 'I Have Resigned From the Republican Party' By Todd Beamon Dec - 22 - 2015 Franklin Graham has resigned from the Republican Party and become an independent, declaring that "I have no hope in the Republican Party, the Democratic Party, or tea party to do what is best for America. "Unless more godly men and women get in this process and change this wicked system, our country is in for trouble," Graham, 63, wrote on Facebook. Graham called on "Christians, even pastors, across the country to pray about running for office where they can have an impact. "We need mayors, country commissioners, city council members, school board members who will uphold biblical values." The budget deal was widely slammed by Republicans and conservatives last week, who charged congressional leaders — including new House Speaker Paul Ryan — with "betrayal" for putting through a spending plan that financed many of President Barack Obama's programs. Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/franklin-graham-resigns-the/2015/12/22/id/706826/#ixzz3vAhK872e Urgent: Rate Obama on His Job Performance. Vote Here Now! Poster Comment: yes we con ... hack - butcher - hoax --- whip - knives - chains - white hatred - slavery ! Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest #1. To: BorisY (#0) I've been there for almost two years. Two years ago, I was getting screamed at as a traitor. Today, I see the same people who screamed at me saying what I said then. It takes time for people to open their eyes, but once they do, they don't close them again. The GOP is finished. It's time for something new, better, and not corrupt. The alliance with the super-rich merely ended up getting the super-rich everything they wanted, while leaving us impoverished because what we want is "too expensive". Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-23   14:12:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: Vicomte13 (#1) " The GOP is finished. It's time for something new, better, and not corrupt. " Agreed! Do you think that IF Trump gets elected, that the GOP will get reformed? Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists. “The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - George S. Patton Stoner  posted on  2015-12-23   14:16:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: BorisY (#0) Franklin Graham: 'I Have Resigned From the Republican Party' To urge "Christians, even pastors, across the country to pray about running for office where they can have an impact. I can hardly wait to see the result. Faith without intelligence is worthless. rlk  posted on  2015-12-23   14:51:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: BorisY (#0) "We need mayors, country commissioners, city council members, school board members who will uphold biblical values." Yeeee,HAW,Franklin! Iz we'un gonna have us a holy rock, or at least a cement block to worship,too? What kinda cool uniforms will we get to wear? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them. sneakypete  posted on  2015-12-23   15:03:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: rlk (#3) I can hardly wait to see the result. A Christian version of the Taliban. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them. sneakypete  posted on  2015-12-23   15:04:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: Stoner (#2) Do you think that IF Trump gets elected, that the GOP will get reformed? Maybe. Trump has fixed ideas about several things. We will have universal health insurance, for example. How is not so clear. Probably, employers will be required to provide it, and Medicaid will provide it for everybody unemployed. Medicare may also expand. Trump is going to be results-oriented on the matter, and the RESULT Trump wants is for everybody in the country to have health insurance. Now, the GOP has resisted the notion that everybody should have health insurance. There are various reasons given, and unspoken, but it doesn't matter. The view that somehow we are going to go on without having universal health insurance, that somehow that burden is not going to be taken on and regulated by government, including the cost of prescription drugs - that idea is dead. Several of the other GOP candidates speak of ending Obamacare, but they do not propose any sort of universal insurance system to replace it. Those men will never be President. Not ever. THAT is something that the GOP is going to change into: a party that actually gives a shit about poor people and working class people and the middle class - and that is willing to have responsibly-run government assistance for health and pensions and poverty relief, et al. If the Republican Party REFUSES to change, if the core of the party really is the libertarian "Safety Nets are Evil because Government is Evil - Survival of the Fittest" party, then that party will capture its 25% of the electorate, and the Democrats will rule forever. Of course, in its current configuration the biggest problem for Republicans' squarely facing the truth that a thick social safety net is necessary in the post-industrial modern world is that fact that a thick social safety net costs a lot of money, and that money must be taken in taxes. The Middle Classes and working classes are taxed out. The super rich pay a lower portion of their overall wealth and gains to wealth as taxes than the upper middle, middle and working classes do. Now, the party of the rich - the Republicans - has managed to keep American eyes deflected downward - into really despising the poor - for a long time. But as more and more middle class and working class people fall into poverty and depend upon the social safety net, the jig is up. The broad parameters of what the hard-core GOP would call "state socialism" (even though it is NOT really socialism at all - it's a social welfare state, which is different) are NECESSARY. The Democrats know that. The Independents know it. And the Republican middle and working class have COME TO know it by their own hardships. The rich no longer have a thick phalanx of downward- looking people around them. The whole public, except them, has been deeply humbled by the financial crisis. The constituency no longer exists for "Trickle-down" economics. We shall have a social safety net that includes universal health insurance, and social security, and public schools, and probably government loans for college, and unemployment insurance, and food stamps. And the rich are going to pay probably 10% more of their income, or 0.33% more of their wealth, in taxes to pay for all of that than they currently do. The days of middle class and working class people - particularly the military - closing ranks around the rich to protect their wealth, and then expectantly looking for the crumbs to be cast down from the table, are over. The current GOP does not realize that, but the voters do. Trump "sounds like" a Democrat on social welfare, because he frankly accepts reality. And he'll win the election because he's right: that IS reality. The rich are unrealistic - they have to pay the same proportional share as everybody else, and the people who simply hate the poor, or hate the idea of stability for the middle class, are going to be the big losers as the future unfolds. There is no longer the electorate to roll back Obamacare and replace it with nothing. There is no free market in health care, and there is never going to be. It is a need, and government will provide the coverage for everybody who can't otherwise afford it, and the people getting government insurance are not going to get, and will not accept, threadbare service. Traditional Republicans will RESIST all of this. But then, American Indians, Germans, Japanese, and every other stubborn defeated power in history has resisted its defeat. The Republicans cannot hold the line on this matter, because they are outnumbered, and their numbers are getting smaller and smaller. Their numbers are getting smaller because they are, in fact, wrong, and their stubbornly-held position on the matter is, in fact, stupid and self- defeating. Too many people have suffered for too long to let the Republican Party continue to block what must be done, and Trump is not even throwing them a figleaf. We will have universal health care, and it will be good even for the poor, and the government will pay for it, and that means that the taxes on the rich will go up, by the closing of all of the important loopholes. That is a fact. Either the Republicans, led by Trump, will accept reality and change to become the sensible caretakers of the social safety net - OR the Republicans will continue to fight for a losing principle, dwindle, divide the opposition to the Democrats, and we'll simply be ruled by Democrats for a century, or for forever. The GOP must change its mind on social welfare. It must accept the necessity of it, stop trying to beggar everybody, and accept that the rich do have to lose the excess protection and pay the same percentages of gross wealth as taxes that the middle and working classes pay. Trump gets that. I think that enough people get that that, with struggling Republicans and Independents, and cross-over Democrats who want jobs again, that Trump will win. The hardest resistance to Trump will come from the rich. THEY hate him, because he knows the tax breaks and game, and he's going to change the rules to take their "cheats" away from them. This will be very good for the country, and - if the GOP dumps the interests of the rich in favor of the interests of the broad middle - it will make a new middle class party that can call itself "Republican" if it wants to, but that will be very, very different from the party that currently calls itself that. If Trump gets elected, reform is going to be inevitable, because to win the election he will ALREADY have to have defeated the rich and the party establishment, and ALREADY built the coalition. His enemies will be clearly identified, and he'll have gotten power by defeating them, and will continue to smash them and turn the party into something updated and new. So yes, the GOP will be reformed by Trump's win. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-23   15:12:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: Vicomte13 (#6) good job making the progressives case for the Trump candidacy. If the Dems picked Sanders there would be no issues for Trump and Sanders to debate . They agree on almost everything . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? tomder55  posted on  2015-12-23   15:23:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: Stoner (#2) (Edited) Do you think that IF Trump gets elected, that the GOP will get reformed? If we elect any of those other assholes, including Hillary, it's an absolute guarantee things will continue to worsen. Trump is far from perfect, but he's the only chance we have and appears to be setting the stage for an eventual necessary popular rebellion in this country. If nothing else, he's stirred up a large hornet's nest. rlk  posted on  2015-12-23   15:40:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: BorisY (#0) Franklin Graham: 'I Have Resigned From the Republican Party' As if Reince Priebus gives a flying fig what Franklin Graham says or does. Willie Green  posted on  2015-12-23   16:00:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: Vicomte13 (#1) The alliance with the super-rich merely ended up getting the super-rich everything they wanted, while leaving us impoverished because what we want is "too expensive". The third and fourth generation of inherited wealth in this country become degenerate fat-asses who believe that they are hereditarily entitled to membership in a vast perpetual strutting house of lords class in payment for what their grandfathers or family members have done for the nation. We have millions of them who are equally worthless and vote Republican. My own opinion is that family membership entitles someone to nothing. If they are not able or welling to pick up the ball and carry it with seriousness, to hell with them. rlk  posted on  2015-12-23   23:07:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: redleghunter, TooConservative. (#0) Franklin Graham has resigned from the Republican Party and become an independent, declaring that "I have no hope in the Republican Party, the Democratic Party, or tea party to do what is best for America. Me too!! What to join us? потому что Бог хочет это тот путь SOSO  posted on  2015-12-23   23:14:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: Willie Green (#9) Franklin Graham: 'I Have Resigned From the Republican Party' As if Reince Priebus gives a flying fig what Franklin Graham says or does. Probably so. And that is exactly why Franklin and I and millions like us have walked away from the Republican Party. Hope Reince and the rest of the Rep establishment in DC will enjoy kissing Hillary's ass (tonguing the hole is optional). потому что Бог хочет это тот путь SOSO  posted on  2015-12-23   23:17:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: tomder55 (#7) good job making the progressives case for the Trump candidacy. If the Dems picked Sanders there would be no issues for Trump and Sanders to debate . They agree on almost everything . Of course there would be. Trump is pro-life. Sanders is pro-abortion. That's a stunning difference. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-23   23:33:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: Vicomte13 (#1) (Edited) I've been there for almost two years. Two years ago, I was getting screamed at as a traitor. Today, I see the same people who screamed at me saying what I said then. I left a long time ago. Pericles  posted on  2015-12-24   1:41:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: Vicomte13 (#13) Trump is pro life this week . As with many issues; his opinion evolves depending on the election cycle. Not long ago he described himself as having 'pro-choice instincts' .When Trump was floating a potential Reform Party Presidential run he described himself as 'pro-choice with reservations'.His support of abortion rights was framed as an appeal to conservatives who wanted to put social issues aside to focus on an economic message. Trump's supporters smeared Pat Buchanan an 'an anti-abortion extremist.' Trump called Buchanan's views 'prehistoric.' He told 'Meet the Press '“I hate it. I hate everything it stands for. I cringe when I listen to people discuss the subject,” ... “But you still -- I just believe in choice.” Then in 2012 when he first flirted with a Republican run ,his rhetoric changed . He told CPAC that his change of heart was motivated by a friend whose wife thought about an abortion but later went through with the pregnancy. But more recently he would not come out in favor of defunding PP. Like him or hate him . You know where Bernie Sanders stands. There is no ambiguity ;there is consistency . Trump ? Not so much . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? tomder55  posted on  2015-12-24   5:53:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: SOSO (#11) Can't blame him. And good move. Now they will have to earn their vote. For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8) redleghunter  posted on  2015-12-24   17:06:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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