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Title: Dilbert Creator: Trump ‘Invulnerable’ If Beats Disability Flap
Source: Breitbart
URL Source: http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern ... able-if-beats-disability-flap/
Published: Nov 27, 2015
Author: Joel B. Pollak
Post Date: 2015-11-27 18:37:01 by cranky
Keywords: None
Views: 10166
Comments: 74

Dilbert creator Scott Adams said Friday afternoon that if Donald Trump survives the ongoing controversy about whether he made fun of New York Times reporter’s disability, he will be a lock to win the presidency.

“If he survives this one, he’s invulnerable,” Adams said.

Adams took to Periscope on Friday afternoon to promote his new book, How to Fail at Almost Everything and Still Win Big: Kind of the Story of My Life, and answered questions from fans.

Recently, Adams has written about his conviction that Donald Trump will win the presidency, based on his use of sophisticated techniques of public persuasion. Adams told Reason magazine that Trump uses perceived insults to beat back opponents:

“What I [see] in Trump,” says Adams, is “someone who was highly trained. A lot of the things that the media were reporting as sort of random insults and bluster and just Trump being Trump, looked to me like a lot of deep technique that I recognized from the fields of hypnosis and persuasion.”… Similarly, where the media see random insults, Adams sees Trump creating a significant polling gap between those who attack him and those who compliment him, resulting in chilled aggression from his opponents. Trump, says Adams, uses “anchors,” which are big, visual thoughts that drown out any other argument. Think, for example, of the billionaire’s florid descriptions of a Mexican border wall.

Trump stands accused of having mocked the Times‘ Serge Kovaleski, in a spat originating in a dispute over whether “thousands” of Muslims had cheered the Sep. 11, 2001 terror attacks from Jersey City. Trump maintains he did not mock the reporter and has demanded that the Times apologize to him rather than the other way around.

None of the past controversies seems to have dented Trump’s lead in the polls, especially as broader news events, such as the Paris terror attacks, seem to be boosting his national lead in the Republican race. (1 image)

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#1. To: cranky (#0)

Trump has to be better than the other, anti-Americans who are running.

Psalm 37 PRAY FOR PARIS

Don  posted on  2015-11-27   18:53:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Don (#1)

In comparison Trump is ... red - white - blue --- the anti obomba - mush !

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2015-11-27   19:05:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Don (#1)

Trump has to be better than the other, anti-Americans who are running.

I just don't believe Trump will ever be the RNC's first choice.

There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't

cranky  posted on  2015-11-27   19:42:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: cranky (#3)

I'm thinking Independent.

Psalm 37 PRAY FOR PARIS

Don  posted on  2015-11-27   19:47:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: cranky (#3)

" I just don't believe Trump will ever be the RNC's first choice. "

No, he will not. Typically, TPTB, the GOPe, select who they want, and ram them down our throats, and if we do not like it, TS. This time, the base seems to be going for Trump, over their objections. And the base is telling them TS. They do not like that.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There are no Carthaginian terrorists.

“The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - George S. Patton

Stoner  posted on  2015-11-27   19:53:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Don (#4)

I'm thinking Independent.

Ballot access laws vary wildly across the fifty states and DC.

It hard to get on every state's ballot without being a Republicrat.

I don't think any other party did in 2012.

There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't

cranky  posted on  2015-11-27   20:38:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: cranky (#6)

The politicians have made the laws they needed to solidify their hold over the political machine.

Psalm 37 PRAY FOR PARIS

Don  posted on  2015-11-27   20:50:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: cranky (#3)

I just don't believe Trump will ever be the RNC's first choice.

If they think he is the Teflon Don and will beat Hildebeeste, they might embrace him.

After all, Trump is basically a big-government lib like most of the GOP elite is. None of that nasty small-government stuff they don't really like.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-11-28   2:45:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: TooConservative (#8)

After all, Trump is basically a big-government lib like most of the GOP elite is.

If that's so, it's going to disappoint many of his followers.

There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't

cranky  posted on  2015-11-28   7:21:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Don (#7)

The politicians have made the laws they needed to solidify their hold over the political machine.

I believe that's true.

It's a rigged game.

There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't

cranky  posted on  2015-11-28   7:22:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: cranky, A K A Stone, Vicomte13, tomder55, sneakypete (#9)

If that's so, it's going to disappoint many of his followers.

Does anyone really believe Trump is a small-government conservative? He's not even necessarily a low-tax Republican. He is friendly to unions, has few problems with buying off packs of local pols when he tries to start a big new real estate project or leisure venue, etc. To Trump, these things just are and, while undesirable or inconvenient at times, are in Trump's view just a part of the cost of doing business in a heavily regulated locality. And, with his use of and enthusiasm for aggressive use of eminent domain laws, he also has found substantial advantages in liberal big-government policy.

It is easy to make the case that Trump is and has always been a big-government liberal, even if he might be a big-government northeastern liberal Republican at heart. This is part of his appeal to voters and I think at least 5%-10% of his support comes from big-government Republican types spread around the country. As I recall it, there were about 9% of registered Republicans who voted for Obama and you can't exactly call a Republican who voted for Obama any flavor of "conservative". These would be Republicans in the sense that David Brooks of the NYSlimes is a Republican, which mostly consists of taking the Dem side in most every policy divide while sneering at other Republicans who don't agree with the liberal position. Brooks is a tame "house conservative" at the Slimes, even more so than an Alan Colmes or a Juan Willians would be "house liberals" at FoxNews.

Is Trump so different from a Nelson Rockefeller, in his era the gold standard for the rock-ribbed northeastern liberal Republican?

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-11-28   8:15:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: cranky (#3)

"I just don't believe Trump will ever be the RNC's first choice."

Their votes don't count.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-11-28   8:45:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: TooConservative (#11)

Does anyone really believe Trump is a small-government conservative?

I wouldn't know.

But I do know some people who believe he'll stop the illegal invaders from coming to their hometowns and stealing their limited resources.

And that's enough for them to turn out and vote for him. Or so they claim.

Tme will tell.

There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't

cranky  posted on  2015-11-28   8:46:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: misterwhite (#12)

Their votes don't count.

We'll see.

There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't

cranky  posted on  2015-11-28   8:47:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: TooConservative (#11)

"Does anyone really believe Trump is a small-government conservative?"

The right question is, "Will Trump reduce overall government spending?" I think he will.

But let's keep in mind that if he spends more or if he spends less, he needs a complicit Congress.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-11-28   8:52:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: TooConservative, cranky, A K A Stone, Vicomte13, sneakypete (#11)

Is Trump so different from a Nelson Rockefeller, in his era the gold standard for the rock-ribbed northeastern liberal Republican?

That would be a generous description . He also has been a strong proponent for liberal social causes too . He to this day supports universal-single payer health care .Until recently he was for an 'assault rifle' ban. He publically supported pro-choice until recently (he claimed to be pro-choice in his book 'The America We Deserve' ,and in interviews around 2000).He then switched position in 2011 ;about the same time that he decided to run as a Republican). He has in fact comfortably switched from one party to the other in the course of his public life.

Any one of his liberal positions would've sunk any other Republican candidate .

Yet he still leads while taking these positions : 1 in favor of a progressive income tax instead of a flat tax. 2 has said he would not change entitlements. 3 he is in favor of the status quo funding of Planned Parenthood. 4 has stated in the past that he favors legalizing drugs.(yes some libertarians who align with Republicans believe that too ) 5 He praised the emperor and his stimulus package in 2009.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2015-11-28   9:10:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: tomder55 (#16)

"He to this day supports universal-single payer health care."

Only for the poor.

"TRUMP: As far as single payer, it works in Canada. It could have worked in a different age. What I'd like to see is a private system without the artificial lines around every state."
-- Aug 6, 2015

misterwhite  posted on  2015-11-28   9:38:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: tomder55 (#16)

Any one of his liberal positions would've sunk any other Republican candidate .

Giuliani, even with his I'd-pay-for-my-daughter's-abortion and his photos with HCI and Brady gun control nutjobs (not to mention his lurid cross-dressing with Teh Donald) was considered too liberal in 2008. But in 2016, Trump is The Guy?

There is something wrong with the voters when a Giuliani with a strong record of governing a large complex Dem stronghold is too liberal for GOP voters but Teh Donald is just fine.

You notice a few of the Trump fanbois are already leaping to Donald's defense, even when I describe him -- fairly accurately -- as the second coming of Nelson Rockefeller, a description you bolstered with a recitation of facts about Trump's public positions.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-11-28   10:01:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: misterwhite (#17)

Yes his great plan would be the expansion of Medicaid for the poor(or create another large government program) .He’s going to “make a deal with existing hospitals” and “the government’s gonna pay for it” ...aka Medicaid. .. and a private plan where "people are going to be able to go out and negotiate great plans with lots of different competition with lots of competitors." Sounds almost like the same lines the emperor used when selling Obamacare .

Under which universe is his plan to expand government guarantees a conservative plan ?

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2015-11-28   10:10:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: cranky (#6)

Ballot access laws vary wildly across the fifty states and DC.

It hard to get on every state's ballot without being a Republicrat.

I don't think any other party did in 2012.

Ross Perot did it. So can Trump.

We the people would help.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-11-28   10:42:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: TooConservative (#8)

Itis a lie to say Trrmp is a liberal. He may not be the conservative you want. But his positions are mostly conservative.

I haven't heard Hillary talking about deporting the enemies within.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-11-28   10:44:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Don (#1)

Trump has to be better than the other, anti-Americans who are running.

He's not. He's just like them,but insane,for those who like a little extra flavor.

He knows that himself. After all,he has the "best memory in the world".

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-28   11:52:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: cranky (#9)

After all, Trump is basically a big-government lib like most of the GOP elite is.

If that's so, it's going to disappoint many of his followers.

Not really. Most of them are delusional,and will never even notice.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-28   11:54:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: misterwhite (#15)

The right question is, "Will Trump reduce overall government spending?" I think he will.

You do understand this is a guy whose business model is bankruptcy,right?

He makes his money busting up companies and selling their assets.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-28   11:57:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: sneakypete (#22)

Maybe, it takes some insanity to beat back the gains the Left has made in this country.

Psalm 37 PRAY FOR PARIS

Don  posted on  2015-11-28   12:50:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: A K A Stone (#20)

Ross Perot did it.

So did Buchanan in the next election.

Both were Reform Party, iirc.

I don't think the Reform Party managed that before or since, at least, not in my lifetime.

But I really don't care enough to research it.

There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't

cranky  posted on  2015-11-28   13:03:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: A K A Stone (#21)

Itis a lie to say Trrmp is a liberal. He may not be the conservative you want. But his positions are mostly conservative.

He would be no more conservative than Kasich. At best. And there is a lot in Trump's record of holding various hardcore liberal positions over the years that you can't claim that Kasich held.

OTOH, Trump never proposed a mass amnesty like Rubio.

You've really drank the koolaid if you can't see that Donald's history of past positions raises some real questions.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-11-28   15:55:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Don (#25)

Maybe, it takes some insanity to beat back the gains the Left has made in this country.

I think we have already suffered through decades of insanity,and a strong dose of sanity is what we need.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-28   18:11:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: sneakypete (#28)

Where will we get that strong dose of sanity?

Psalm 37 PRAY FOR PARIS

Don  posted on  2015-11-28   18:22:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Don (#29)

Where will we get that strong dose of sanity?

Good question.

I wish I had a positive answer,but I don't think it's coming at this late date. The game is fixed and the players are not going to allow any interference.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-28   18:28:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: cranky (#3)

I just don't believe Trump will ever be the RNC's first choice.

He may end up being their only choice.

The establishment types will go to him if he takes NH, and SC.

Face it, Trump is in this with his own money at least through the March primaries. I think he will be in the top two after the majority of the votes in the primary are counted.

He's crazy if he goes third party. He knows that would be a waste of his money.

If he truly wants to be president he has to do it through the GOP.

"I will praise You, O Lord my God, with all my heart, And I will glorify Your name forevermore. For great is Your mercy toward me, And You have delivered my soul from the depths of Sheol." Psalm 86:12-13

redleghunter  posted on  2015-11-28   18:51:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: redleghunter (#31)

He may end up being their only choice.

There's always Hildebeest or O'Malley (I don't think the big donors to the DNC particularly want Sanders but who knows).

If Trump isn't a bigger, more intrusive, less sovereign government guy who's on board with open borders, man-made global warming and population reduction, I don't think either national committee wants him.

It's not as though the RNC or the DNC have to give voters a choice. Their candidates tend to be largely interchangeable, regardless of gender, religion, skin pigmentation or ethnicity.

There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't

cranky  posted on  2015-11-28   21:07:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: sneakypete (#30)

Unfortunately, that is all true.

Psalm 37 PRAY FOR PARIS

Don  posted on  2015-11-28   23:44:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: redleghunter (#31)

Face it, Trump is in this with his own money at least through the March primaries.

Let me know if he actually spends any of his own money other than on the jet/chopper/limos. He even got S.S. protection so he doesn't have to pay for that either.

I don't think Trump has actually spent any money at all. He's used the chopper/jet/limos for years, just part of his ongoing expenses. His leased bus in Iowa? Put up for sale for $15K on eBay, complete with the Trump campaign paint job.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-11-29   4:50:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: redleghunter (#31)

Face it, Trump is in this with his own money at least through the March primaries.

Not really. He's running it as a cost of doing business tax write-off,at least for the time being.

For example,there was a report last week that he had charged his campaign 700 grand so far for the use of his private jet.

Just because that is the only angle we have seen made public so far,doesn't mean it is the only angle. I'm betting he is billing his campaign for the hours he is away from Trump,Inc,too.

Trump keeps talking about how the others need to be more creative,when the truth is he creates nothing but bankruptcies and tax write-offs,and the truth is he doesn't even really do that. His accountants and lawyers are the ones doing the heavy mental lifting.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-29   7:35:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: cranky (#32)

It's not as though the RNC or the DNC have to give voters a choice.

That is the last thing they ever want to see happen.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-29   7:37:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: TooConservative (#34)

I don't think Trump has actually spent any money at all. He's used the chopper/jet/limos for years, just part of his ongoing expenses.

You think he has spent his own money to operate,maintain,and use his own helicopter,jet,or limo?

WRONG! Trump Inc bills his campaign for those expenses. Within the last week or two he has billed his campaign 700,000 bucks for the use of his private jet. We don't know the amounts of the bills he is hitting his campaign for to pay for the helicopter or the limos,but you can bet it is top dollar.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out he is billing his campaign for the hours he spends away from Trump,Inc,as well as for consulting fees for consulting with himself.

The only thing Trump ever creates are bills and bullshit.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-29   7:42:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: sneakypete (#37)

You think he has spent his own money to operate,maintain,and use his own helicopter,jet,or limo?

WRONG! Trump Inc bills his campaign for those expenses. Within the last week or two he has billed his campaign 700,000 bucks for the use of his private jet. We don't know the amounts of the bills he is hitting his campaign for to pay for the helicopter or the limos,but you can bet it is top dollar.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out he is billing his campaign for the hours he spends away from Trump,Inc,as well as for consulting fees for consulting with himself.

The only thing Trump ever creates are bills and bullshit.

How retarted of you.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-11-29   7:44:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: A K A Stone (#38)

How retarted of you.

The truth about your idol can be painful.

BTW,you misspelled "retarded".

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-29   7:46:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: sneakypete (#35)

Trump keeps talking about how the others need to be more creative,when the truth is he creates nothing but bankruptcies and tax write-offs,and the truth is he doesn't even really do that. His accountants and lawyers are the ones doing the heavy mental lifting.

Socialists whot think Bernie is a conservative are envious covetous bastards.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-11-29   7:47:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: A K A Stone (#40)

Socialists whot think Bernie is a conservative are envious covetous bastards.

Probably,but I don't know any of your friends.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-29   17:00:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: sneakypete (#35)

the truth is he creates nothing but bankruptcies and tax write-offs

That's not "the truth", it's a lie.

Trump has created hundreds of buildings around the world, vast projects, and employed tens of thousands of people. Trump doesn't make his money busting up companies. He makes his money building things and renting them out, and licensing his corporate name and goodwill. He makes his money employing people, building properties and managing them.

Thousands of them, each a separate thing.

Of those thousands, four, just FOUR only, have failed sufficiently that they filed for bankruptcy. And the Trump did what any good leader does whether political or military: you plan failed and you cannot win the battle, but you can damned well win the retreat. In those business bankruptcies, which are not PERSONAL bankruptcies but simple business failures 4 among thousands, Donald Trump has won. He has fought the bankruptcies and obtained very favorable results.

That is exactly what you want in a leader. Somebody who runs things, builds things, knows how to administer thousands of people, how to make deals of all sorts. One whose projects are almost always successful. And one whose failures are managed to reduce the losses to his own side to the minimum.

Ronald Reagan, for example, failed terribly in Beirut. He sent in the Marines, acceded to terms of engagement that left them exposed in a war zone. Many of them paid the price of Reagan's error with their lives and limbs. The terrorists bombed the compound, and the Marines died. We were defeated that day.

How Reagan reacted to the defeat was important. He reassessed the situation. He decided that no real American interest worth the risk existed. So Reagan "declared bankruptcy" - he cut his losses and pulled us out, rather than doubling down on a quagmire due to stubbornness, pride, stupidity and "not wanting to be seen as weak". Well, the pullout WAS weak, but it was EXACTLY the weakness that a leader needs to show, sometimes, for the overall good of the nation.

Sometimes a business is bankrupt. Does the Trump empire have the money to recover that one business? Probably. But you don't sacrifice the body to the cancer. You cut out the cancer.

A smart leader like Reagan knew that: sometimes it makes a whole lot more sense to lose some skirmish than to commit everything to a war that, even if you win, brings you nothing but more trouble.

Trump was wise enough to know when to cut the thread on failing businesses, and savvy enough to get good settlements. That's Reagan in Beirut.

The notion that "in truth" "he creates nothing but bankruptcies" is a lie. Trump is overwhelmingly successful. Sometimes, success includes knowing when to fold your hand on a business line that doesn't work out.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-01   11:47:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Vicomte13 (#42)

That's not "the truth", it's a lie.

WTF do you know about the truth? You believe in miracles and worship spooks.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-12-01   18:12:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: sneakypete (#43) (Edited)

WTF do you know about the truth? You believe in miracles and worship spooks.

Because I've seen them. Spooks are real, and so are some miracles.

Because I know that, I am more grounded in the totality of reality than you are, because you deny them.

But miracles and angels have little to do with Donald Trump and the GOP establishment, so why go there?

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-01   19:12:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Vicomte13 (#44) (Edited)

Because I've seen them. Spooks are real, and so are some miracles.

Because I know that, I am more grounded in the totality of reality than you are, because you deny them.

Uh,huh.

But miracles and angels have little to do with Donald Trump and the GOP establishment,...

On that we agree.

so why go there?

Because you went there first.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-12-01   19:55:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: cranky, redleghunter, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#32)

It's not as though the RNC or the DNC have to give voters a choice. Their candidates tend to be largely interchangeable, regardless of gender, religion, skin pigmentation or ethnicity.

If you want a choice, find something other than a Republican or Democrat to vote for.

Nothing is likely to change until the D&R Party brings America to it's knees in pain, and the people become desperate enough to demand useful change. The D&R party parasitic elites will not let go willingly.

Bottom line: No pain, no gain.


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-12-01   20:19:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: sneakypete (#45)

I didn't go there first. I talked about bankruptcies. You went after me by saying that nothing I say can be listened to, because I believe in angels and miracles. You went there first in our exchange.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-01   23:46:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: hondo68 (#46)

I think that Trump is enough of a trump card, and is so hated and feared by the GOP Establishment, that if he's the "Republican" nominee it's not really like voting for a Republican. Really it's voting for an independent who ambushed the Republican party and used the system to wrest control of the GOP's nominating process, very much against their will.

Some of Trump's proposed policies are contrary to Republican Party dogma.

Of course, if he gets the nomination, and then is elected, he will then be the head of the party, and he can proceed to make those things that he stands for that the GOP currently opposes into the GOP, and change the basic positions of the GOP itself.

Trump's campaign is a hostile takeover of the GOP, because Trump has assessed that running as a major party candidate has a lot of advantages over running as an Independent, and Trump is aiming to WIN, not simply make some sort of statement.

And because I loathe the Republican Party but agree with Trump in all of the cases where he differs with them, I am willing to vote for Trump, as a Republican, in order to assist him in this hostile takeover, so that people like him can come in, representing people like me, and we can scour out the Republican party, driving the current Establishment out of the party and forcing them into being the "Independents", while people who think more like me become "The Republican Party".

Trump and I are right about the things on which we differ with the GOP, so I'll vote for him xo we can make a new GOP. If enough people do that, the GOP will change because we'll control it and then oust the current Establishment from power.

They won't go without a fight, so let's fight.

"Those are brave men knocking at your door. Let's go kill them!" - Tyrion Lannister.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-01   23:53:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Vicomte13, cruzin for a bruising, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#48)

Really it's voting for an independent who ambushed the Republican party and used the system to wrest control of the GOP's nominating process, very much against their will.

Trump doesn't rise to the level of a RINO like Ron Paul. He's a mainstream Giuliani/Clinton NYC Republican Democrat. A gun grabbing, baby killing, gay marriage, big government progressive, like Mitt.

I don't like the guy, too much like Hitler.

Marco Rubio will be the GOP nominee/designated loser. Perhaps President Hillary will cure your delusions of reforming the GOP, and becoming an ice water vendor in hell?


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-12-02   4:48:28 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: hondo68 (#49)

Well, Mitt wouldn't sign the pro-life pledge, and Mitt put into place the mandatory payment for abortion provisions in Massachusetts. Trump has been more even keel and steady in his pro-life position since he changed his mind on the issue back around 2000. So I myself would not compare him to Romney in the key regard.

Obviously if the man reminds you of Hitler sufficiently to portray him like that, there's no chance you will support him.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-02   6:52:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: hondo68 (#49)

Didn't all of the larger GOPe donors just come out as say they would help fund Hitlery if Trump got the spot???

Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!

CZ82  posted on  2015-12-02   7:38:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: CZ82 (#51)

Didn't all of the larger GOPe donors just come out as say they would help fund Hitlery if Trump got the spot???

Yep. And in a way that is great, because it clears the deckplates and makes the distinction clear.

Because it means that once Trump is the nominee, and once all of the large donors do just that: support Hillary, that if Trump wins, it will be thanks to the return of the rank-and-file to vote for him, as well as a massive independent and crossover vote - the return of the Reagan Democrats.

And THAT, in turn, means that Trump is not only not beholden to the Republican moneyed interests - if he wins without their support - but that those moneyed interests are his declared enemies.

Which, in turn, means that when he targets regulations, new taxes, the end of favorable tax and regulatory treatment at them for the good of the country, he will not be attacking his own base, but rather, attacking his enemies and weakening them.

So, if the crony capitalists who have done so well under the GOP actually turn on Trump, if he wins, it will be without them, and he can rid the GOP of them and have a very free hand to eliminate their loopholes, increase their taxes, and break them.

Good.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-02   8:45:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: hondo68 (#46)

Nothing is likely to change until the D&R Party brings America to it's knees in pain, and the people become desperate enough to demand useful change.

There aren't enough native born Americans left in America to do anything about it.

Republicrats have shattered a country that was once thought to be indivisible.

Too bad.

America used to be such a great place to live and work and play in.

There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't

cranky  posted on  2015-12-02   9:00:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: redleghunter (#31)

If he truly wants to be president he has to do it through the GOP.

I believe that.

I don't believe the RNC will ever back him, though.

They truly would prefer Hildebeest to an outsider.

There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't

cranky  posted on  2015-12-02   9:09:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: hondo68 (#49)

Trump doesn't rise to the level of a RINO like Ron Paul. He's a mainstream Giuliani/Clinton NYC Republican Democrat. A gun grabbing, baby killing, gay marriage, big government progressive, like Mitt.

I don't like the guy, too much like Hitler.

And there it is.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-12-02   18:30:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Vicomte13 (#52)

So, if the crony capitalists who have done so well under the GOP actually turn on Trump

Trump IS a crony capitalist. He was born into it.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-12-02   18:32:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: sneakypete, Vicomte13 (#56)

Trump IS a crony capitalist.

Of course he is. Why do you think he contributed to the likes of the Clintons and other Drats as well as Reps? What goes around in his circles usually comes around in spades. He is part of the uber insider information caste. But he is not much different in this regard than most influential people in and out of politics.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-12-02   18:41:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: SOSO (#57)

Trump is different because he is betraying it and doing something different.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-02   21:53:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Vicomte13 (#58)

Trump is different because he is betraying it and doing something different.

You can't possibly be serious. Dollar Donald's one and only motive is the grandisement of Dollar Donald which almost always involves more dollars in Dollar Donald's pockets.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-12-02   21:56:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: SOSO (#59)

I am completely serious. I listen to Trump. I see what he does. And I compare him to the other candidates.

Trump spends his own money running. The others beg for funds. Score one for Trump. He's different. He puts his money where his mouth is.

Trump has accomplished much in his life, built much, that's why he has the money to do it. The other have done nothing but give speeches. Some are wealthy, but they don't spend their own cash. Score two for Trump: he has had a successful life building things and running things and getting paid for it. The others have given speeches - that's it.

Trump says that global warming is a hoax. The others say that Climate Change is not primarily caused by man. Score three for Trump: he is speaking the truth. The others are hedging.

Trump says to build the wall and deport. The others says that's nonsense, can't be done. Score four for Trump. Israel has a wall. It works. America deported millions before. Of course it can be done.

Trump says to kill the families of terrorists and destroy their infrastructure - and to kill the human shields behind which they hide. He says it's too bad, but you have to do what you have to do to win. The others complain about Obama. Score five for Trump.

Trump says he will make a deal with Russia to destroy ISIS and reduce tensions. The others say they'll impose a no-fly zone (and what? Shoot down the Russian air force and end the world in a nuclear holocaust?) Trump is the only adult in the room.

Trump says he will aim at unfair tax breaks for hedge funders. The others remain silent (and will protect those hedge funders). Score seven for Trump.

Trump is right about everything. The others are wrong about everything.

Trump puts his money where his mouth is. The others have got nothing but mouth (because they have no success) and they run on other people's money.

Go Trump.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-02   22:35:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Vicomte13 (#60)

How is global warming a hoax?

ebonytwix  posted on  2015-12-02   22:44:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Vicomte13, sneakypete (#42)

In those business bankruptcies, which are not PERSONAL bankruptcies but simple business failures 4 among thousands, Donald Trump has won.

Because he did not have skin in the game and used OPM - those folks lost big time. He lives bt the creed "never give a sucker an even break".

He sure has you conned.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-12-02   22:45:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: ebonytwix (#61)

It's a hoax because it is not happening, but people are saying it is happening, and generating false "data" to demonstrate a phenomenon that does not in fact exist.

That's how.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-02   22:50:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Vicomte13 (#60)

Trump puts his money where his mouth is. The others have got nothing but mouth (because they have no success) and they run on other people's money.

Comparing Trump to the professional political hacks is like comparing P.T. Barnum to a BS televangilist. The both are con artist working different angles on their dupes.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-12-02   22:51:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Vicomte13 (#63)

How would you know it's false data? There have been statistics collected on countries with high amounts of cold weather that they are gradually getting warmer. Why wouldn't the increase in gas use and air conditioning cause global warming?

ebonytwix  posted on  2015-12-02   23:01:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: SOSO (#64)

Yeah, my heart is not fully on Trump's side. I can't agree with him. Vicomte13 has interesting reasons, but it makes me a little more circumspect. He says a lot of questionable xenophobic things and he's just too aggressive and haughty. Also, he has a loose tongue and is easy to insult others and try to get them to back down. what I observed from him I do not like - nor I feel comfortable with.

ebonytwix  posted on  2015-12-02   23:03:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: SOSO (#64)

Comparing Trump to the professional political hacks is like comparing P.T. Barnum to a BS televangilist. The both are con artist working different angles on their dupes.

I think you nailed it, so-so.

Very good!

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-12-02   23:03:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: ebonytwix (#61)

If it is happening, it is a natural event. The planet operates under natural laws. The Obamanistas want to scare people to allow them to pass more draconian laws for more control over the people. There is also the matter of taking money from one group to give to another, otherwise known as redistribution of wealth.

Psalm 37 PRAY FOR PARIS

Don  posted on  2015-12-02   23:12:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: SOSO (#64)

I just attended the Ringling Bros., Barnum & Baily Circus in Barnum's hometown: Bridgeport, CT.

As always - as it has been for a century and more - it was truly the greatest show of that genre on earth.

There is nothing like the circus, and there is no circus like Barnum & Bailey's.

Now, over the Thanksgiving holiday I had the good fortune to be treated to a performance of "Oliver" in Washington DC. I had front row seats in a theater in the round - I was literally resting my feet ON the stage. The show was very well done. It took about as long as the circus, and the tickets cost four times as much.

Which was more ENTERTAINING (which is, after all, the POINT of paying money for any show)? Barnum's circus, of course. There were more acts. There was more color - it was wild with color. There was more going on. What the actors were doing was much harder. I saw a world record leap attempted, and saw a leap before it done by a Chinese acrobat that I would not have believed had I not seen it with my own eyes. I saw little vignettes, trained dogs and tigers. I learned about elephants as they went through their paces. I saw insane feats of horsemanship, and I watched seven crazy riders motorcycle around in a cage. So much human skill on parade. So much music and color. So many things so very much harder than anything on a theater stage. There was singing too - much more of it, in fact. There were sketches and lines, and clown pantomimes that told stories as well as Dickensian words.

"Oliver" was great, as are many other plays. But P.T. Barnum's circus was greater. It was more, better, brighter, more astonishing. And it cost a quarter as much.

So, I am dupe for paying a modest fee to see the greatest show on earth? I have been "worked over" because I paid a surprisingly small sum for what I got out of the circus?

Nonsense! Barnum's ghost provided me with a product, a show. The show was over the top. I do not know how it is that a show that big and that grand can be kept alive for entry fees that small.

I got more than I paid for - I am happy. Barnum got what he bargained for: my ticket price. So he's happy. He might think I'm a dupe for paying him anything for that show. And you might too. But I have memories of leaping acrobats and fire, of elephants and lions, of hot women and cool trick riders and insane men in a cage, and graceful and muscular acrobats flying high above.

The cultural thing, Oliver was great. But the circus was greater - the Greatest Show On Earth.

So, the fact that Trump is a showman - the P.T. Barnum of politicians - is supposed to make him bad?

P.T. Barnum has been entertaining ME for going on 53 years now - as a boy, as a young man, as a father. His show is always fresh, the acts are always exciting. I always learn something new. I remember the circus from the first time. And I remember the circus from the last time. And every other time.

P.T. Barnum was a showman - and he has never failed to entertain me above and beyond anything anybody else ever has. He provided great value every time.

So, what is it about P.T. Barnum that I'm supposed to despise? The fact that he gave me my money's worth many times over and a lifetime of memories? The fact that all of his shows have been BETTER, objectively speaking, than any other shows I've ever seen? The others are hoity-toitier, and I like that, but they're not as GRAND as the circus, or as memorable.

Barnum delivered what he promised: the Greatest Show on Earth. Still is delivering it. The show's good. And it's such a complex interaction of acts and animals and scenes that organizing that and keeping it going is a talent that no other showman has taken so far. Like Ford and his assembly line: innovative.

PT Barnum was a brilliant logistician, a brilliant rhetoritician, a brilliant leader, a brilliant trainer, and a brilliant businessman. You laugh at the circus. How many OTHER businesses have endured continuously since the 1800s? There are a bare handful of companies.

To compare Trump to PT Barnum is to do him a great honor. Barnum was the most successful show organizer in the history of the world. He did what he set out to do, and left a permanent, positive legacy.

Trump is an organizer. He's bombastic - quite a showman. But then, that's what political speeches are: a show, an act. Trump is a master of it. The others are simply understudies.

Like Barnum, Trump has had phenomenal success organizing and leading people in his line of business. This is not a bad thing.

Trump is no con artist: he delivers quality apartments in style to tens of thousands of people worldwide, and resorts, entertainment, fun. He made himself rich doing it. What have the other Republican politicians accomplished? They've given speeches since high school. And Trump gives them better.

Barnum was no con artist either: he delivered, and is still delivering, The Greatest Show On Earth.

Rubio and Jeb and Christie and the rest of the Seven Dwarves are ALSO delivering a show. They're ALSO carnival barkers. It's just that the show they're offering isn't any good, and it is being proposed to me at the same price that Trump is asking.

So, I can go see The Greatest Show On Earth, or I can go see an off-off-off Broadway comedy of bad actors. For the same price.

But I'M the dupe?

No sir. I buy what I like. I like Trump.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-02   23:22:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: ebonytwix (#65)

How would you know it's false data?

Observation.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-02   23:27:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Vicomte13 (#69)

So, I am dupe for paying a modest fee to see the greatest show on earth?

Yo pays yo money and takes yo choice. I went to the circus also. Barnum's cons were genrally in the genre of entertainment. That is why I said that comparing Trump to the professional politicians is like comparing Barnum to the televangelists. Ture that both sell snake oil in a fashion but Barnum did provide mostly harmless entertainment which generally was worth the price of admission.

No, my friend, you are a dupe because Trump has you bamboozled to the point of thinking he would be good for you and the country and has you supporting him. You are a dupe because you can't see him for what he truly is.

"https://alansmysteriousworld.wordpress.com/2010/07/09/the-hoaxes-of-p-t- barnum/"

You need to learn a little more about Barnum.

"The Hoaxes of P.T. Barnum Filed under: Frauds, Scams, Hoaxes — Leave a comment July 9, 2010

Technorati Tags: hoaxes,history,carny,PT Barnum

Phineas Taylor Barnum (1810-1891) described himself as the “Prince of Humbug,” an epithet he more than earned during his long and illustrious career. Barnum is best remembered today for the circus that still bears his name (and for the animal crackers named after him), but before his circus career he was form any years an internationally famous museum showman. His early career was marked by a variety of outrageous publicity stunts and hoaxes, which he used to attract attention to his bizarre exhibits. His promotional techniques often tested the boundaries of what the emerging middle class was willing to accept, but he was somehow able to convince audiences that he was selling them entertainment, not fraud. People viewed him as a kind of lovable, con artist. The phrase There’s a sucker born every minute will forever be attributed to him, even though he was not the man who originally said it.

Joice Heth

Joice Heth was a frail, elderly black woman whom a young Barnum put on display in 1835, advertising that she was the 161-year-old former nurse of General George Washington. Heth was the first exhibit that Barnum ever promoted, and in doing so displayed all the marketing skills that he would later become famous for. She immediately drew huge crowds of people eager both to witness her grate age and to hear her stories about raising Washington (who had been dead for over thirty-five years). When the public’s interest in her started to wane, Barnum rekindled its curiosity by spreading a rumor that Joice Heth was not a person at all, but was actually a mechanical robot cleverly designed to look like an old lady. This claim played off the popularity of another exhibit touring America at that time, the Great Chess Automaton. Barnum continued to display her until she died on February 19, 1836. But even in death Barnum found a way to exploit her. He allowed a public autopsy to be performed on her body in order to verify her age. Unfortunately for Barnum the doctor who performed the autopsy declared that she could not have been older than eighty.

The Feejee Mermaid

In August 1842 a traveling English naturalist named “Dr. J. Griffin” arrived in New York City. He had with him a spectacular curiosity – a mermaid supposedly caught near the island of Feejee. The body of the mermaid was put on display in Barnum’s museum, and enormous crowds turned out to see it. Barnum hyped the exhibit by running advertisements in the major newspapers that showed a beautiful naked figure. The actual exhibit, however, was not alluring. It was a small, taxidermically preserved creature with the withered upper body of a monkey and the dried tail of a fish. One critic described it as the “incarnation of ugliness.” The genius of the exhibit was that there was absolutely nothing new about the mermaid. Before it arrived in New York City, it had previously been displayed in Boston for months by another museum without attracting any comment. But when Barnum applied his marketing magic to it the mermaid became an overnight sensation. “Dr. J. Griffin” was part of the deception. He was actually Levi Lyman, one of Barnum’s cronies.

The Feejee Mermaid was lost when Barnum’s museum burned down during the 1860s. A similar mermaid, which some claim to be the original specimen but which is probably not, is owned by Harvard University and is located in the Peabody Museum of Archaeology and Ethnology.

The Free Grand Buffalo Hunt

New York City papers advertised that a free buffalo hunt would occur on August 31, 1843. The ads declared that dangerous wild buffaloes had been captured in New Mexico and transported in for the show. They were being kept behind thick double-rail fencing in an enclosure in Hoboken. Twenty-four thousand New Yorkers, enticed by the allure both of wild beasts and a free show, paid six cents each to take the ferry across the river to Hoboken, where they were met by a herd of malnourished, feeble, very tame buffaloes, hardly the dangerous beasts they had been promised. Barnum, who had secretly engineered the entire “free” show, laughed all the way to the bank, since he had cut a deal with the ferry operators to pocket half their net revenue for the day."

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-12-03   0:06:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Vicomte13 (#70)

I think it's true. I haven't seen the contrary to suggest otherwise. They give damn near convincing arguments, too./ I just haven't had a reason to question it.

ebonytwix  posted on  2015-12-03   0:30:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: SOSO, Vicomte13 (#62)

In those business bankruptcies, which are not PERSONAL bankruptcies but simple business failures 4 among thousands, Donald Trump has won.

Because he did not have skin in the game and used OPM - those folks lost big time. He lives bt the creed "never give a sucker an even break".

He sure has you conned.

Well,he DOES believe in miracles and magic,so it's not like he's hard to con.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-12-03   3:32:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: ebonytwix (#65)

Why wouldn't the increase in gas use and air conditioning cause global warming?

Are you seriously demanding someone prove a negative?

It doesn't work that way,Bubba. It's up to boogers like you to prove it does.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-12-03   3:34:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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