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Title: How Should Police Stop A Knife-Swinging Laquan On PCP?
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URL Source: https://misadventuresindiversity.wo ... -knife-swinging-laquan-on-pcp/
Published: Nov 25, 2015
Author: Donald Joy
Post Date: 2015-11-25 17:15:06 by no gnu taxes
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Views: 5485
Comments: 44

In the latest high-profile racial railroading of a white policeman for obvious political reasons, it has taken authorities over a full year to decide to charge Chicago cop Jason Van Dyke in the fatal shooting of black 17-year-old Laquan McDonald.

The obviousness of the racial/political theater here is largely due to the fact that the timing of the ridiculous charge — first degree murder — being suddenly announced after all these months, so transparently coincides with the sudden FOIA public release of a police dashcam video of the shooting which, to the untrained eye, looks pretty bad.

The video in question has been in the possession of the authorites this entire time. If it was a bad shoot, especially if so bad as to amount to first degree murder, they should have charged him long ago, apart from the racially ginned-up public and media hysteria wrought by release of the video, no?

As for allegations about the incident itself, there are some gray areas, and some clear-cut lines.

Officers were attempting to apprehend McDonald, who was later determined to have had PCP in his system, after he had been rampaging around the area and using a knife to not only break into cars and other property, but also slashed the tire of a police car when an initial attempt to arrest him failed just moments before he encountered Van Dyke and other officers.

The video shows that McDonald was not “walking away from” the officers, as many are insisting; he was walking briskly abreast of them and turning toward them(4:45), his left hand inside his pocket and swinging the knife in his right hand.

Most police officers are trained on the “21-foot rule”(also known as the Tueller Drill), the distance at which an officer’s “reactionary gap” (the time it takes the officer to recognize the threat, reach, draw, aim, and fire on the subject) puts his own life in jeopardy from a subject with an edged weapon.

Here’s a very good demonstration of the 21-foot rule:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_KJ1R2PCMM

It has been proven over and over again (unfortunately not only in training drills but in many cases where officers have been murdered/gravely wounded) that an agile subject with an edged weapon can suddenly, as rapidly as 1.5 seconds, close a distance of up to 21 feet to fatally stab/slash a victim, even kill or seriously wound a trained police officer armed with a gun.

That’s LESS time than it takes an officer to recognize the threat, reach, draw, aim, and fire on the subject — the “reactionary gap.” 1.23 seconds is the fastest closing time of the 21-foot distance measured.

I played the video over and over at various speeds, and the taser wires are visible well before McDonald shows any kind of reaction(indicating that the taser may not have functioned immediately or properly), and he actually turns toward the officers(4:45) as he walks briskly abreast of them with the wires attached, swinging the knife in one hand, with his other hand in his pocket.

Then, it looks like the gunfire is what brings him down, because you can see dust/debris kicked up as the rounds hit the concrete around/under McDonald’s body when he falls.

If Van Dyke believed the taser did not function, it can be argued that he legitimately perceived McDonald (who had just slashed a police car’s tire with the knife) to be an imminent deadly threat within the 21-foot reactionary gap.

That perception might not mean to a jury (Graham v. Connor) that Van Dyke necessarily HAD to shoot McDonald, but it would definitely mean he’s not guilty of murder.

The 21-foot rule has come under scrutiny and criticism in recent years/months, and I predict it will (as “stand your ground,” as misapplied as it was, in the Zimmerman case) be the centerpiece of this case.

Not guilty.

Oh, and by the way, as for the number of shots Van Dyke fired, the answer is that once the decision to use deadly force is made, the number of shots is really moot — although we all know that the public, media, and jurors can imagine that there can somehow be some kind of “excessive” force beyond deadly force.

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#2. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

It's a crying shame that Illinois no longer has capital punishment
because Van Dyke deserves to have his ass fried by Ol' Sparky.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-11-25   18:18:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Willie Green (#2)

It's a crying shame that Illinois no longer has capital punishment because Van Dyke deserves to have his ass fried by Ol' Sparky.

Why? I watched the video and I do believe he acted faster than I but not outside the bounds of keeping the community safe. I think he should be fired because he should have waited for containment and TAZER TAZER TAZER till the criminal pee'ed his pants or died from a heart attack.

I give criminals zero sympathy if they act aggressively. If you surrender then you should be careful arrested.

Justified  posted on  2015-11-25   18:26:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Justified (#3)

I give criminals zero sympathy if they act aggressively.

The video clip showed 2 criminals:

  • one was a druggie with a knife who was trying to ignore the cops
  • the other was the cop who overagressively unloaded his whole magazine into the druggie without cause.
If you truly had zero tolerance for violent criminals, you wouldn't let them hide behind a badge.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-11-25   18:57:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#6. To: Willie Green (#5)

The guy had a knife in his hand and at 4:40 on video or so you can see him flick his blade out which pretty much ended his life. Taking a knife to a gun fight never ends well!

Justified  posted on  2015-11-25 20:13:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Willie Green (#5)

The video clip showed 2 criminals:

one was a druggie with a knife who was trying to ignore the cops the other was the cop who overagressively unloaded his whole magazine into the druggie without cause.

Can't argue with that one.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-25 20:41:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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