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Title: How Should Police Stop A Knife-Swinging Laquan On PCP?
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URL Source: https://misadventuresindiversity.wo ... -knife-swinging-laquan-on-pcp/
Published: Nov 25, 2015
Author: Donald Joy
Post Date: 2015-11-25 17:15:06 by no gnu taxes
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Comments: 44

In the latest high-profile racial railroading of a white policeman for obvious political reasons, it has taken authorities over a full year to decide to charge Chicago cop Jason Van Dyke in the fatal shooting of black 17-year-old Laquan McDonald.

The obviousness of the racial/political theater here is largely due to the fact that the timing of the ridiculous charge — first degree murder — being suddenly announced after all these months, so transparently coincides with the sudden FOIA public release of a police dashcam video of the shooting which, to the untrained eye, looks pretty bad.

The video in question has been in the possession of the authorites this entire time. If it was a bad shoot, especially if so bad as to amount to first degree murder, they should have charged him long ago, apart from the racially ginned-up public and media hysteria wrought by release of the video, no?

As for allegations about the incident itself, there are some gray areas, and some clear-cut lines.

Officers were attempting to apprehend McDonald, who was later determined to have had PCP in his system, after he had been rampaging around the area and using a knife to not only break into cars and other property, but also slashed the tire of a police car when an initial attempt to arrest him failed just moments before he encountered Van Dyke and other officers.

The video shows that McDonald was not “walking away from” the officers, as many are insisting; he was walking briskly abreast of them and turning toward them(4:45), his left hand inside his pocket and swinging the knife in his right hand.

Most police officers are trained on the “21-foot rule”(also known as the Tueller Drill), the distance at which an officer’s “reactionary gap” (the time it takes the officer to recognize the threat, reach, draw, aim, and fire on the subject) puts his own life in jeopardy from a subject with an edged weapon.

Here’s a very good demonstration of the 21-foot rule:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_KJ1R2PCMM

It has been proven over and over again (unfortunately not only in training drills but in many cases where officers have been murdered/gravely wounded) that an agile subject with an edged weapon can suddenly, as rapidly as 1.5 seconds, close a distance of up to 21 feet to fatally stab/slash a victim, even kill or seriously wound a trained police officer armed with a gun.

That’s LESS time than it takes an officer to recognize the threat, reach, draw, aim, and fire on the subject — the “reactionary gap.” 1.23 seconds is the fastest closing time of the 21-foot distance measured.

I played the video over and over at various speeds, and the taser wires are visible well before McDonald shows any kind of reaction(indicating that the taser may not have functioned immediately or properly), and he actually turns toward the officers(4:45) as he walks briskly abreast of them with the wires attached, swinging the knife in one hand, with his other hand in his pocket.

Then, it looks like the gunfire is what brings him down, because you can see dust/debris kicked up as the rounds hit the concrete around/under McDonald’s body when he falls.

If Van Dyke believed the taser did not function, it can be argued that he legitimately perceived McDonald (who had just slashed a police car’s tire with the knife) to be an imminent deadly threat within the 21-foot reactionary gap.

That perception might not mean to a jury (Graham v. Connor) that Van Dyke necessarily HAD to shoot McDonald, but it would definitely mean he’s not guilty of murder.

The 21-foot rule has come under scrutiny and criticism in recent years/months, and I predict it will (as “stand your ground,” as misapplied as it was, in the Zimmerman case) be the centerpiece of this case.

Not guilty.

Oh, and by the way, as for the number of shots Van Dyke fired, the answer is that once the decision to use deadly force is made, the number of shots is really moot — although we all know that the public, media, and jurors can imagine that there can somehow be some kind of “excessive” force beyond deadly force.

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#1. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

How Should Police Stop A Knife-Swinging Laquan On PCP?

With there body! How else would they stop a special class citizen?

Who cares if the citizen flicked the knife open when confronted by the crazy cops thugs! Police deserve to die! They have no right to stop people in the street carrying a knife and breaking into cars!!

Justified  posted on  2015-11-25   18:11:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

It's a crying shame that Illinois no longer has capital punishment
because Van Dyke deserves to have his ass fried by Ol' Sparky.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-11-25   18:18:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Willie Green (#2)

It's a crying shame that Illinois no longer has capital punishment because Van Dyke deserves to have his ass fried by Ol' Sparky.

Why? I watched the video and I do believe he acted faster than I but not outside the bounds of keeping the community safe. I think he should be fired because he should have waited for containment and TAZER TAZER TAZER till the criminal pee'ed his pants or died from a heart attack.

I give criminals zero sympathy if they act aggressively. If you surrender then you should be careful arrested.

Justified  posted on  2015-11-25   18:26:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

"Oh, and by the way, as for the number of shots Van Dyke fired, the answer is that once the decision to use deadly force is made, the number of shots is really moot"

In my mind, the first shots were justified. If the number of shots is indeed moot, then "not guilty".

misterwhite  posted on  2015-11-25   18:36:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Justified (#3)

I give criminals zero sympathy if they act aggressively.

The video clip showed 2 criminals:

  • one was a druggie with a knife who was trying to ignore the cops
  • the other was the cop who overagressively unloaded his whole magazine into the druggie without cause.
If you truly had zero tolerance for violent criminals, you wouldn't let them hide behind a badge.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-11-25   18:57:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Willie Green (#5)

The guy had a knife in his hand and at 4:40 on video or so you can see him flick his blade out which pretty much ended his life. Taking a knife to a gun fight never ends well!

Justified  posted on  2015-11-25   20:13:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

How Should Police Stop A Knife-Swinging Laquan On PCP?

Air Strike?

Just kidding.

Truth is,from what I have seen it sure looks like a bad shooting because lots of the rounds were fired after he was already down.

Granted,Laguan was destined for a early grave or early imprisonment for life anyway,but just because the animals have no concern for human life doesn't mean the authorities should have the same attitude/

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-25   20:37:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Justified (#3)

I think he should be fired because he should have waited for containment and TAZER TAZER TAZER till the criminal pee'ed his pants or died from a heart attack.

I'll give him a break on that one,because someone high on PCP may or not not notice he has been tazed.

Still,16 shots,many fired when he was already down?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-25   20:39:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: misterwhite (#4)

If the number of shots is indeed moot, then "not guilty".

They are not moot because he was down on the ground and no longer a treat before most of them were fired.

The cop panicked,and is guilty as hell.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-25   20:40:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Willie Green (#5)

The video clip showed 2 criminals:

one was a druggie with a knife who was trying to ignore the cops the other was the cop who overagressively unloaded his whole magazine into the druggie without cause.

Can't argue with that one.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-25   20:41:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Justified (#6)

The guy had a knife in his hand and at 4:40 on video or so you can see him flick his blade out which pretty much ended his life.

No,his stupidity combined with a cowardly cop panicking is what ended his life. Homie wasn't advancing on the cop and the cop had no legal justification for shooting him.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-25   20:44:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: sneakypete (#11)

I do think he acted to soon but it's hard to tell if he turned on the cop which cause the cop to shot him.

Justified  posted on  2015-11-25   20:53:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: sneakypete (#8)

" someone high on PCP may or not not notice he has been tazed. "

True, or may not notice even if they had been shot.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There are no Carthaginian terrorists.

“The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - George S. Patton

Stoner  posted on  2015-11-26   2:37:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Stoner (#13)

" someone high on PCP may or not not notice he has been tazed. "

True, or may not notice even if they had been shot.

From what I have seen on the video,this guy was pretty much dead before he hit the ground,so he wasn't noticing much of anything while being shot with the last 10 to 15 rounds.

The cop punked out and panicked. The result was a unjustified shooting that should lead to him facing criminal charges in a court room.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-26   5:07:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: no gnu taxes, GrandIsland (#0)

Most police officers are trained on the “21-foot rule”(also known as the Tueller Drill), the distance at which an officer’s “reactionary gap” (the time it takes the officer to recognize the threat, reach, draw, aim, and fire on the subject) puts his own life in jeopardy from a subject with an edged weapon.

The 21' rule applies to police with a holstered weapon, typically with a safety guard of a leather strap with a snap on the holster.

That perception might not mean to a jury (Graham v. Connor) that Van Dyke necessarily HAD to shoot McDonald, but it would definitely mean he’s not guilty of murder.

It isn't even the first shot that will convict him or the fact that he fired. It's the other fifteen shots he fired when this guy was already on the ground and the knife was no longer in his hand.

At a certain point, excessive force becomes homicide.

Not guilty.

Guilty as hell. And he bought the full ticket.

I'm thinking he bites a bullet rather than go to prison. He'll just wait until he's near a conviction.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-11-26   8:02:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: sneakypete (#9)

The cop panicked,and is guilty as hell.

Of 1st degree murder?

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2015-11-26   8:19:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: no gnu taxes (#16)

The cop panicked,and is guilty as hell.

Of 1st degree murder?

Since I haven't seen every video angle possible and don't know all the details,I would not go that far. That is the sort of thing for a Grand Jury to decide.

It was,IMHO,a "bad shooting" though,and he needs to be charged with something that will put him in a prison cell for at least a few years. Something at least as serious as manslaughter. Otherwise other cops will continue to think they can shoot anybody anytime they want with no negative consequences.

Since cops represent the state,they MUST be held to a higher standard than the typical citizen. This is not what we are seeing happen,though. Typically what happens is a normal citizen,especially in a rabidly anti-gun city like Chicago,will be hammered with a maximum charges and time for shooting a thug,and a cop that shoots a thug gets a 6 month paid vacation and slaps on the back. This has to change.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-26   8:51:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: sneakypete (#14)

"unjustified shooting"

That may be the case. I am not taking any position on that. I was just commenting on your statement of " someone high on PCP may or not not notice he has been tazed. " That statement is equally true about gun shots.

I witnessed a situation where a guy was high on PCP, and was shot 8 times with .38's and .357 mags. No head shots, or heart shots. The guy did not even flinch. He was disarmed when a Trooper came up from behind and jerked his hand gun out of his hand. When the ambulance got there 5 minutes later, he was hand cuffed, standing and bleeding like a sieve. He didn't even know he had been shot.

I think the only thing that would have brought him down with those weapons would have been a head shot. Or, they could have used a shotgun. It was quite amazing how he did not react to wounds.

After that I bought my first 1911.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There are no Carthaginian terrorists.

“The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - George S. Patton

Stoner  posted on  2015-11-26   12:23:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Stoner (#18)

I witnessed a situation where a guy was high on PCP, and was shot 8 times with .38's and .357 mags.

Yeah, I lived in a town where the police force switched from using .38s to .45s because they'd empty a gun into someone high on PCP and they guy would just keep coming. He'd be too loaded to know he was dead.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2015-11-26   12:40:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: no gnu taxes (#19)

" empty a gun into someone high on PCP and they guy would just keep coming. He'd be too loaded to know he was dead. "

Yeah, in todays environment, if you are attacked, the probabilities are very good that the perp is high on something. That being the case, better to carry a capable weapon. Years ago, a .38 would have been enough. Currently, I prefer a 1911, sometimes I might carry a 9mm, minimum a .38 with hydra shoks. My wife carries a polymer Baby Eagle in .40 S&W. And if possible, go for a head shot.

As the old Boy Scout saying goes "Be Prepared".

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There are no Carthaginian terrorists.

“The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - George S. Patton

Stoner  posted on  2015-11-26   14:23:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Stoner (#18)

I think the only thing that would have brought him down with those weapons would have been a head shot. Or, they could have used a shotgun. It was quite amazing how he did not react to wounds.

You don't EVER want to get involved in a fist fight with someone on PCP,not even a teenage girl. People that can't feel pain and are high and aggressive at the same time WILL F u up!

After that I bought my first 1911.

Good move. You still want to go with head shots if he is close,though.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-26   17:48:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: sneakypete (#21) (Edited)

" You still want to go with head shots if he is close,though. "

Agree. Or, use a 12 ga with 00 Buck, or slugs, if you have that option

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There are no Carthaginian terrorists.

“The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - George S. Patton

Stoner  posted on  2015-11-27   2:20:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: sneakypete (#21)

You still want to go with head shots if he is close,though.

I thought you were always supposed to go with center-mass shots. And only go for the head shot if you believe your opponent is wearing body armor.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-11-27   14:11:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: TooConservative (#23)

You still want to go with head shots if he is close,though.

I thought you were always supposed to go with center-mass shots. And only go for the head shot if you believe your opponent is wearing body armor.

Tactics are entirely dependent on experience and capabilities. Going for center mass is probably a good idea for people who have never been in a gun fight and who haven't shot tens of thousands of rounds in their lifetime.

I may be wrong,but I feel like I have the experience and the ability to put a bullet in your eye if I want from 20-25 feet if you are standing still and pointing a gun at me,and somewhere in your head if you are moving.

I probably ain't the most "sporting" guy you have ever met. I don't believe in warning shots and I don't believe in shooting to wound. If I shoot at you and you don't die,it was entirely accidental and I will try to do better the next time.

The FACTS are that if you are justified to shoot at all,you are justified to shoot to kill. If you're not,don't shoot,period.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-27   16:14:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: sneakypete (#24)

I may be wrong,but I feel like I have the experience and the ability to put a bullet in your eye if I want from 20-25 feet if you are standing still and pointing a gun at me,and somewhere in your head if you are moving.

Well, I can't help but think of those "amazing cop videos" where policeman are rapid firing at a person five feet away who has pulled a gun on them and missing every shot.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2015-11-27   16:24:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Willie Green (#2)

A pay raise - promotion !

I'm having a hard time ... driving around these death wish crazies --- during the day - night !

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2015-11-27   16:31:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: sneakypete, no gnu taxes (#24)

I may be wrong,but I feel like I have the experience and the ability to put a bullet in your eye if I want from 20-25 feet if you are standing still and pointing a gun at me,and somewhere in your head if you are moving.

A lot of people aren't that good at shooting. I can shoot decently up to about 30 feet. But that is target plinking, not shooting at an aggressive target closing and possibly firing back.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-11-27   16:33:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: no gnu taxes (#25)

Well, I can't help but think of those "amazing cop videos" where policeman are rapid firing at a person five feet away who has pulled a gun on them and missing every shot.

I read a few books by a police armorer. He related that on many forces, cops may shoot 50 rounds or less in an entire year.

Practice makes perfect.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-11-27   16:34:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: sneakypete (#24)

" if you are justified to shoot at all,you are justified to shoot to kill. If you're not,don't shoot,period. "

Yep, wise policy!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There are no Carthaginian terrorists.

“The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - George S. Patton

Stoner  posted on  2015-11-27   16:38:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: no gnu taxes (#25)

" I can't help but think of those "amazing cop videos" where policeman are rapid firing at a person five feet away who has pulled a gun on them and missing every shot. "

Classic example of officers that should be removed from service, and give a LOT more training on the firing line.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There are no Carthaginian terrorists.

“The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - George S. Patton

Stoner  posted on  2015-11-27   16:41:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: no gnu taxes (#25)

Well, I can't help but think of those "amazing cop videos" where policeman are rapid firing at a person five feet away who has pulled a gun on them and missing every shot.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-11-27   16:42:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: TooConservative (#28)

" on many forces, cops may shoot 50 rounds or less in an entire year. "

For some, that is true. And it is absurd. Many departments will give officers ammo and targets to practice on their own. Many that I knew would shoot up that, and buy more themselves.

There is absolutely no excuse for officers not practicing, and being proficient with their sidearms !

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There are no Carthaginian terrorists.

“The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - George S. Patton

Stoner  posted on  2015-11-27   16:55:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: TooConservative (#28)

"He related that on many forces, cops may shoot 50 rounds or less in an entire year."

Hell, that's an hour at the range.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-11-27   17:01:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Stoner (#32)

Many departments will give officers ammo and targets to practice on their own.

I know the local sheriff would buy 10,000 rounds for him and the deputy and just order more when he ran out. A lot of PDs take the attitude that firearms practice is invaluable if you ever have real trouble, like a psycho on the loose. If you turn a cop loose with a gun, he'd better be able to control it, avoid shooting the civilians, etc. Probably money well-spent.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-11-27   17:19:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: no gnu taxes (#25)

Well, I can't help but think of those "amazing cop videos" where policeman are rapid firing at a person five feet away who has pulled a gun on them and missing every shot.

I have never been a policeman,but I was a professional infantry soldier for several years.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-27   19:35:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: TooConservative (#34)

" Probably money well-spent. "

Definitely money well spent !

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There are no Carthaginian terrorists.

“The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - George S. Patton

Stoner  posted on  2015-11-27   19:45:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: misterwhite (#33)

"He related that on many forces, cops may shoot 50 rounds or less in an entire year."

Hell, that's an hour at the range.

Or maybe 3 minutes,depending on magazine capacity and how long it takes you to swap out.

Classical slow bullseye shooting is useful,but if you are practicing for shoot out,you need to practice like you are in a gun fight. Rapid shots looking at the target and not the sights. Screw a bunch of bullseyes. If you can empty a 7 shot 1911 45 ACP magazine before the first empty hits the ground and hit a head-sized target at 25-30 feet with solid hits at least 3 times,you are good to go.

Providing of course you also hit the target with the other 4 rounds. They don't have to be centered,but they do need to hit the target.

If you can't do this,you need to practice.

Back when I was doing a lot of 45 shooting,I would have 500 rounds of loaded ammo on hand all the time,and another 500 rounds of empty brass that had already been deprimed and tumbled in a box by the chair. I'd seat the primers by hand while watching tv. I preferred seating the primers with a hand press because IMHO the bench presses have so much leverage it is hard to "feel" when the primer is fully seated.

I used to do a lot of shooting at old golf balls scattered around the yard. I'd spin around and start popping off rounds as quickly as I could at the various golf balls as spotted them. If you have a sensitive ego this is not the type of practice shooting you will enjoy because you are snap shooting at tiny little round targets scatted at various ranges,and basically point-shooting . You will miss a LOT,but it sure does feel good to pop two or three in a row and watch them jump. If you can do this while just screwing around,you will most likely not have any problems doing better in a life or death shooting situation. There is not much that will work better to focus your mind and vision than having someone pointing a gun at you.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-27   19:48:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: TooConservative (#34)

A lot of PDs take the attitude that firearms practice is invaluable if you ever have real trouble,

Only the ones with any common sense at all.

Never underestimate the power of muscle memory in stressful situations.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-27   19:50:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: sneakypete (#37)

Tunnel vision can get intense.

Psalm 37 PRAY FOR PARIS

Don  posted on  2015-11-27   19:50:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Don (#39)

Tunnel vision can get intense.

Amen.

At the same time it can make time seem to slow down,and help calm you to the point where you make good decisions instead of just panicking.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-27   20:44:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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