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Title: The Real History of the Crusades
Source: Crisis Magazine
URL Source: http://www.crisismagazine.com/2011/ ... &at_ab=per-2&at_pos=0&at_tot=1
Published: Nov 25, 2015
Author: Thomas F. Madden
Post Date: 2015-11-25 00:35:44 by redleghunter
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Many historians had been trying for some time to set the record straight on the Crusades—misconceptions are all too common. For them, current interest is an opportunity to explain the Crusades while people are actually listening. With the possible exception of Umberto Eco, medieval scholars are not used to getting much media attention. We tend to be a quiet lot (except during the annual bacchanalia we call the International Congress on Medieval Studies in Kalamazoo, Michigan, of all places), poring over musty chronicles and writing dull yet meticulous studies that few will read. Imagine, then, my surprise when within days of the September 11 attacks, the Middle Ages suddenly became relevant.

As a Crusade historian, I found the tranquil solitude of the ivory tower shattered by journalists, editors, and talk-show hosts on tight deadlines eager to get the real scoop. What were the Crusades?, they asked. When were they? Just how insensitive was President George W. Bush for using the word “crusade” in his remarks? With a few of my callers I had the distinct impression that they already knew the answers to their questions, or at least thought they did. What they really wanted was an expert to say it all back to them. For example, I was frequently asked to comment on the fact that the Islamic world has a just grievance against the West. Doesn’t the present violence, they persisted, have its roots in the Crusades’ brutal and unprovoked attacks against a sophisticated and tolerant Muslim world? In other words, aren’t the Crusades really to blame?

Osama bin Laden certainly thinks so. In his various video performances, he never fails to describe the American war against terrorism as a new Crusade against Islam. Ex-president Bill Clinton has also fingered the Crusades as the root cause of the present conflict. In a speech at Georgetown University, he recounted (and embellished) a massacre of Jews after the Crusader conquest of Jerusalem in 1099 and informed his audience that the episode was still bitterly remembered in the Middle East. (Why Islamist terrorists should be upset about the killing of Jews was not explained.) Clinton took a beating on the nation’s editorial pages for wanting so much to blame the United States that he was willing to reach back to the Middle Ages. Yet no one disputed the ex- president’s fundamental premise.

Well, almost no one. Many historians had been trying to set the record straight on the Crusades long before Clinton discovered them. They are not revisionists, like the American historians who manufactured the Enola Gay exhibit, but mainstream scholars offering the fruit of several decades of very careful, very serious scholarship. For them, this is a “teaching moment,” an opportunity to explain the Crusades while people are actually listening. It won’t last long, so here goes.

Misconceptions about the Crusades are all too common. The Crusades are generally portrayed as a series of holy wars against Islam led by power-mad popes and fought by religious fanatics. They are supposed to have been the epitome of self-righteousness and intolerance, a black stain on the history of the Catholic Church in particular and Western civilization in general. A breed of proto- imperialists, the Crusaders introduced Western aggression to the peaceful Middle East and then deformed the enlightened Muslim culture, leaving it in ruins. For variations on this theme, one need not look far. See, for example, Steven Runciman’s famous three-volume epic, History of the Crusades, or the BBC/A&E documentary, The Crusades, hosted by Terry Jones. Both are terrible history yet wonderfully entertaining.

So what is the truth about the Crusades? Scholars are still working some of that out. But much can already be said with certainty. For starters, the Crusades to the East were in every way defensive wars. They were a direct response to Muslim aggression—an attempt to turn back or defend against Muslim conquests of Christian lands.

Christians in the eleventh century were not paranoid fanatics. Muslims really were gunning for them. While Muslims can be peaceful, Islam was born in war and grew the same way. From the time of Mohammed, the means of Muslim expansion was always the sword. Muslim thought divides the world into two spheres, the Abode of Islam and the Abode of War. Christianity—and for that matter any other non-Muslim religion—has no abode. Christians and Jews can be tolerated within a Muslim state under Muslim rule. But, in traditional Islam, Christian and Jewish states must be destroyed and their lands conquered. When Mohammed was waging war against Mecca in the seventh century, Christianity was the dominant religion of power and wealth. As the faith of the Roman Empire, it spanned the entire Mediterranean, including the Middle East, where it was born. The Christian world, therefore, was a prime target for the earliest caliphs, and it would remain so for Muslim leaders for the next thousand years.

With enormous energy, the warriors of Islam struck out against the Christians shortly after Mohammed’s death. They were extremely successful. Palestine, Syria, and Egypt—once the most heavily Christian areas in the world—quickly succumbed. By the eighth century, Muslim armies had conquered all of Christian North Africa and Spain. In the eleventh century, the Seljuk Turks conquered Asia Minor (modern Turkey), which had been Christian since the time of St. Paul. The old Roman Empire, known to modern historians as the Byzantine Empire, was reduced to little more than Greece. In desperation, the emperor in Constantinople sent word to the Christians of western Europe asking them to aid their brothers and sisters in the East.

That is what gave birth to the Crusades. They were not the brainchild of an ambitious pope or rapacious knights but a response to more than four centuries of conquests in which Muslims had already captured two-thirds of the old Christian world. At some point, Christianity as a faith and a culture had to defend itself or be subsumed by Islam. The Crusades were that defense.

Pope Urban II called upon the knights of Christendom to push back the conquests of Islam at the Council of Clermont in 1095. The response was tremendous. Many thousands of warriors took the vow of the cross and prepared for war. Why did they do it? The answer to that question has been badly misunderstood. In the wake of the Enlightenment, it was usually asserted that Crusaders were merely lacklands and ne’er-do-wells who took advantage of an opportunity to rob and pillage in a faraway land. The Crusaders’ expressed sentiments of piety, self-sacrifice, and love for God were obviously not to be taken seriously. They were only a front for darker designs.

During the past two decades, computer-assisted charter studies have demolished that contrivance. Scholars have discovered that crusading knights were generally wealthy men with plenty of their own land in Europe. Nevertheless, they willingly gave up everything to undertake the holy mission. Crusading was not cheap. Even wealthy lords could easily impoverish themselves and their families by joining a Crusade. They did so not because they expected material wealth (which many of them had already) but because they hoped to store up treasure where rust and moth could not corrupt. They were keenly aware of their sinfulness and eager to undertake the hardships of the Crusade as a penitential act of charity and love.

Europe is littered with thousands of medieval charters attesting to these sentiments, charters in which these men still speak to us today if we will listen. Of course, they were not opposed to capturing booty if it could be had. But the truth is that the Crusades were notoriously bad for plunder. A few people got rich, but the vast majority returned with nothing.

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#1. To: Liberator, CZ82, tomder55, Don, GarySpFc, BobCeleste, Chuck_Wagon, Cranky, sneakers, TooConservative, *Religious History and Issues* (#0)

A companion timeline is found at link below:

Islamic invasion timeline

"Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-11-25   0:39:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: redleghunter (#0)

While I applaud your wish to explain the crusades as repelling muslim invasion, don't you think the possible comparisons at this time are unhelpful? the muslims for a long time have been trying to hang the term crusade on what "Chrstian" countries have been doing in muslim lands specifically the middle east. They are paranoid about it, which may be getting christians persecuted and killed in these lands.

the crusades were an unfortunate time where religious fervour was used as an excuse for wholesale slaughter, not only of muslims but christians too. The crusades may have ultimately led to the destruction of christian empires and countries and so weakened europe that the muslims were able to penertrate to Vienna. What we have today is vastly different, a few rag tag muslin fundamentalists who have been surprisingly successful because of cowardise among muslims

paraclete  posted on  2015-11-25   1:42:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: paraclete, redleghunter (#2)

The only real difference is that the conquest is not being done by standing armies. Now it's conquest by Hijra.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2015-11-25   5:25:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: redleghunter, GarySpFc, A K A Stone, A Pole (#0)

A lot of Catholic apologetics here, minimizing a lot of carnage and self-interest by Crusaders.

To take on a few: while the Crusades did largely serve to impoverish those who participated or led to problems back in Europe during their long absences, that does not mean that many of the Crusade leaders and fighters did not sign up looking for booty. Failing to get much of it doesn't mean that was not their motive.

The pogroms of Jews on the eve of Crusader departures served multiple purposes. As the Jews were leading moneylenders in these countries (usury being prohibited to Christians), the easiest way for a departing Crusader to erase his debts was to instigate a massacre of local Jews and their lending houses, ensuring that all records of the debts were destroyed by setting the entire ghetto on fire. Debt-free and ready for Crusade, in a single night. Especially handy if the Crusader got the Jewish lender to loan him money to go on Crusade with before the mob showed up to burn out the ghetto and destroy the records and the Jewish lender.

Another pernicious factor in the Crusades were the indulgences of holy war issued by the popes. In these, every fighter was granted absolution in advance of any and all sins committed while on a crusade. Meaning they were licensed to lie, rob, rape, pillage with absolute impunity since, as the popes assure us, whatever the pope decrees on earth binds God to follow his edicts, however immoral or anti-Christian they are. At any rate, this kind of indulgence led to a lot of mischief in pope-antipope wars inside Europe as well as the Crusades.

I think this version of the Crusades is kinda self-serving and glosses over a lot of contradictory evidence.

In addition, many of the Crusaders were completely ignorant and made some tragic errors. I recall reading about Crusaders arriving by ship, liquored up, alighted ready to kill the Muslim enemy and, upon being greeted by men in flowing robes, killed them as Muslim enemies. They were, of course, just the local Arab Christians and the allies of the Crusaders. I read about it in a Barbara Tuchman history, I suppose it was her A Distant Mirror: The Calamitous 14th Century. It was popular and made money but other scholars criticized it as being so-so on scholarship of the era, such as it was during the late Seventies. Tuchman's book still has influence but is panned today by other writers as tawdry commercialism.

Oh, yeah, and Hep, Hep, Hierosylima est perdita.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-11-25   8:29:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: redleghunter (#0)

I am surprised there was ever any real question about the Muslim Conquest of most of the western world. One moment in time they didn't even exist,and in the eye blink of time they had conquered and occupied all of the known civilized world and forced them to convert to Islam at sword point. They were so aggressive they even made the Catholic Church of the Middle Ages look like Mennonites by comparison.

How was that ever in dispute?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-25   9:14:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: paraclete (#2)

the crusades were an unfortunate time where religious fervour was used as an excuse for wholesale slaughter, not only of muslims but christians too.

Uhhh,the Muslim slaughter was IN RESPONSE to the slaughter and conquest of Christian people's and lands.

The crusades may have ultimately led to the destruction of christian empires and countries and so weakened europe that the muslims were able to penertrate to Vienna.

You have it backwards. The Crusades were the response to the Muslim invasion,conquest,murder,and occupation of Christian countries. Islam in NOT a religion. It is a government,and the most oppressive and brutal government in the known history of the worl.

Where the Crusaders made their mistake was stopping the war once they had driven the Muslims out of most of their conquered and occupied territory,and allowed them hundreds of years to recover and start a new Jihad. Should have wiped the MoFo's out while they had them on the run. You have a choice with Islam,you can either wipe them out or you can keep fighting them every few hundred years.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-25   9:20:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: tomder55 (#3)

The only real difference is that the conquest is not being done by standing armies. Now it's conquest by Hijra.

Conquest is conquest,and not all invasions are by armed soldiers.

The method of Jihad is irrelevant. What is important are the ultimate goals,which is a brutal police state that is set to dominate the world and allow no opposing thought,word,or deed.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-25   9:22:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: sneakypete (#6)

" Islam in NOT a religion. "

That is right, it is a thug gang disguised as a religion!

" Where the Crusaders made their mistake was stopping the war once they had driven the Muslims out of most of their conquered and occupied territory,and allowed them hundreds of years to recover and start a new Jihad. Should have wiped the MoFo's out while they had them on the run. You have a choice with Islam,you can either wipe them out or you can keep fighting them every few hundred years. "

Yep, this time I say we should totally eradicate them!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There are no Carthaginian terrorists.

“The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - George S. Patton

Stoner  posted on  2015-11-25   9:27:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: TooConservative (#4)

The pogroms of Jews on the eve of Crusader departures served multiple purposes. As the Jews were leading moneylenders in these countries (usury being prohibited to Christians), the easiest way for a departing Crusader to erase his debts was to instigate a massacre of local Jews and their lending houses, ensuring that all records of the debts were destroyed by setting the entire ghetto on fire. Debt-free and ready for Crusade, in a single night. Especially handy if the Crusader got the Jewish lender to loan him money to go on Crusade with before the mob showed up to burn out the ghetto and destroy the records and the Jewish lender.

Cry me a river. The Jews were refugees from Muslim conquest themselves,and they were more than happy to charge interest to others that were doing their fighting for them.

Yes,there were atrocities and self-interest on the Christian side. Show me a war where this ISN'T the case with the people from all sides who push the wars.

And while we are on this subject,why should these men who are leaving their homelands and their families behind to fight in a war they may well be killed or crippled for life while fighting NOT grab any booty available to them while in the midst of the enemy? Where is the requirement that they take all those risks (including the very real risks to their families if they die or are crippled) and do all that suffering while going bankrupt and losing everything they have?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-25   9:29:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: TooConservative (#4)

A lot of Catholic apologetics here, minimizing a lot of carnage and self-interest by Crusaders.

To take on a few: while the Crusades did largely serve to impoverish those who participated or led to problems back in Europe during their long absences, that does not mean that many of the Crusade leaders and fighters did not sign up looking for booty. Failing to get much of it doesn't mean that was not their motive.

There is a lot of gloss. It is from a conservative Roman Catholic site. I think the learning point is how today the Crusades are used as 'the reason' the West is 'wrong' and getting the response of terror they do now.

The article (and the companion timeline I linked) point to the initial aggressors as the Muslims. Don't think they are teaching that in schools these days. Any instruction on the conflict of fault lines starts with 1094~1095.

"Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-11-25   12:44:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: sneakypete (#5)

I am surprised there was ever any real question about the Muslim Conquest of most of the western world. One moment in time they didn't even exist,and in the eye blink of time they had conquered and occupied all of the known civilized world and forced them to convert to Islam at sword point. They were so aggressive they even made the Catholic Church of the Middle Ages look like Mennonites by comparison.

How was that ever in dispute?

The young'ins on college campuses haven't figured it out yet.

The struggle between Islam and the West, for them, started with a Pope in 1095 declaring a war against Islam. Universities today ignore the previous 400 years of Islamic conquest.

"Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-11-25   13:03:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: sneakypete (#6) (Edited)

You have it backwards.

Not really you misunderstood my comments. the crusaders killed many christians and weakened Bysanthium, the Christian empire in the east at the time. Islam is a religion and you misunderstand what a religion is if you think it isn't. Religion is belief in a deity and unfortunately the muslims believe in a deity who permits killing, etc, of unbelievers. The crusaders wanted Jerusalem they weren't interested in Arabia or Persia, that was a mistake, however they weren't able to hold some gains against the turks. The rise of the turkish empire was contemporary with the crusades and did not afford the opportunity for adventurism. They were ignorant of the world and as a result by the time they achieved their objective they themselves needed to recover. You also need to examine your view of Europe it was by no means unified and wars continued. The kings and princes who went to the crusades could not afford to stay too long away from their own countries.

paraclete  posted on  2015-11-25   15:42:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: tomder55 (#3)

The only real difference is that the conquest is not being done by standing armies

I suggest that what is happening is very much the same as the original conquest.

The western world had not evolved to have standing armies at that time. The turks were apparently well developed in their warfare but it took them some time to get organised against the crusaders. The crusaders won Jerusalem with a small force, no doubt they didn't have much opposition.

we are behaving in the same way as the crusaders behaved. We believe in the righteousness of our endeavours and that a small force will prevail because of superiority of arms with the help of local levies. Those locals have, except for the Kurds, shown some reluctance to be involved. I'm wondering what will happen when the Kurds encircle Mosul or defeat Daesh in Syria. Kurdistan is not on the US agenda

paraclete  posted on  2015-11-25   23:57:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: paraclete (#13)

Kurdistan is not on the US agenda

unfortunately you are correct. We have aligned ourselves with Tehran and plan to hand off all our interests to their hegemony .

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2015-11-26   4:32:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: tomder55 (#14)

Yes the kurds are going to get screwed just as the shiia were screwed

paraclete  posted on  2015-11-26   6:40:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: paraclete (#15)

Yes the kurds are going to get screwed just as the shiia were screwed

...and the Armenians .Of course now ,because of the latest Turkey-Russia incident ,the Russians will be sure to express sympathy for the plight of the Armenians. It will also set up the next excuse for Russian intervention ,along the Armenia-Azerbaijan border dispute. Don't forget that Russia has an interest in which direction Baku oil is pipelined into Europe. One route takes it to the Russian Black Sea port city of Novorossiysk . Another route goes through Azerbaijan ,Georgia ,Turkey ,bypassing Russia and their dominant position of being the energy supplier to Europe.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2015-11-26   7:14:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: tomder55 (#16)

The armenians were screwed long ago by Turkey and they have no love of muslims but Russia has embarked on a new crusade in the middle east and you can be assured what they conquer they will keep. Conquering parts of Syria will give them a new route. America made a mistake leaving Iraq, a very strategic mistake

paraclete  posted on  2015-11-28   19:50:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: paraclete (#17)

America made a mistake leaving Iraq, a very strategic mistake

yup

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2015-11-28   21:30:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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