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Title: ObamaCareÂ’s imploding even without repeal
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URL Source: http://nypost.com/2015/11/22/obamac ... imploding-even-without-repeal/
Published: Nov 23, 2015
Author: By Post Editorial Board
Post Date: 2015-11-23 09:37:47 by no gnu taxes
Keywords: None
Views: 4056
Comments: 61

It’s looking like ObamaCare won’t survive even if Congress can’t manage to repeal it.

The nation’s largest health insurer, UnitedHealth Group, said last week that it’s losing too much — $425 million — from policies sold on the health exchanges, and may have to pull out by 2017.

The company admits it’s “a potentially huge blow” to the new system: “If a major publicly traded insurer bows out, others may follow and destabilize the entire individual market.”

Game over for ObamaCare?

UnitedHealth CEO Stephen Hemsley seems to imply just that: “We can’t really subsidize a marketplace that doesn’t appear at the moment to be sustaining itself.”

Mind you, UnitedHealth was a huge backer of the 2009 law. One of its top execs, Andrew Slavitt, then joined the administration to run the health exchanges.

What’s going on here? Basically, the long-feared “death spiral”: Not enough young, healthy folks are signing up for these plans, so insurers are losing money despite the hefty federal subsidies for the coverage. They’re raising premiums to even things out — but that drives even more folks away, so that only older, less-healthy customers remain, driving new losses . . .

Looking at the collapse of the ObamaCare “cooperatives” a few weeks back, Betsy McCaughey warned in these pages that the death spiral was under way.

Now here’s America’s biggest insurance provider saying pretty much the same thing. Hemsley cited weak enrollment and high medical costs for those who did sign up.

And the Obama administration itself last month predicted 2016 enrollment would be less than half of what the Congressional Budget Office predicted in March.

Republicans have been tossing around plans to replace ObamaCare from the start. Now it’s time for Democrats to join in — unless they want to get caught looking when the whole thing goes belly-up.

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#2. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

That's part of the plan. It was designed for failure ... an intermediate step at best . The emperor and the Dems have always wanted a universal single payer European type system. They will make the argument that leaving national health care in the hands of the greedy Big Insurance,Big Pharma etc was the big flaw in Obamacare .

tomder55  posted on  2015-11-23   9:43:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: tomder55 (#2)

The emperor and the Dems have always wanted a universal single payer European type system. They will make the argument that leaving national health care in the hands of the greedy Big Insurance,Big Pharma etc was the big flaw in Obamacare .

And they will be right, too.

We need universal Medicare, birth to death, paid for by taxes. That's what we need, and that's what we're going to get, eventually.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-11-23   10:33:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Vicomte13 (#4)

"We need universal Medicare, birth to death, paid for by taxes."

We need Medicaid for the poor. Nothing else.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-11-23   10:59:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: misterwhite (#8)

We need Medicare for everybody, nothing more, nothing less.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-11-23   11:05:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Vicomte13 (#9)

"We need Medicare for everybody, nothing more, nothing less."

Only 40% of Medicare is funded by the government. The rest is funded by payroll deductions and premiums.

You convinced me. Medicare for everyone who can afford it.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-11-23   11:19:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: misterwhite, Vicomte13 (#12)

Only 40% of Medicare is funded by the government. The rest is funded by payroll deductions and premiums.

Medicare funds come from the Social Security Administration.

The Hospital Insurance (HI) Trust Fund is funded by the payroll tax. This covers Medicare Part A, things like inpatient hospital care, skilled nursing facility care, home health care, and hospice care.

Also, Medicare program administration, like costs for paying benefits, collecting Medicare taxes, and combating fraud and abuse

The Supplementary Medical Insurance (SMI) Trust Fund is funded by appropriated tax dollars. This covers Part B (Medical Insurance) and Part D (Drug coverage).

nolu chan  posted on  2015-11-23   14:45:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: nolu chan (#26)

I don't care who disburses the funds. Most of the funds come from payroll deductions and insurance premiums.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-11-23   15:09:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: misterwhite, Vicomte13 (#28)

[misterwhite #12] Only 40% of Medicare is funded by the government. The rest is funded by payroll deductions and premiums.

[misterwhite #28] I don't care who disburses the funds. Most of the funds come from payroll deductions and insurance premiums.

The payroll deductions are extracted from people who are not eligible for Medicare. The government, in turn, uses their money to pay Medicare bills. It is a tax. It is not an income tax, it is an EXCISE TAX. The payroll deductions are a tax.

It is something like Social Security. You pay in all your life on a government promise of a benefit down the road. As you move on down the road, the government can move goal line and change the value of a touchdown.

https://www.ssa.gov/oact/progdata/taxRates.html

Social Security & Medicare Tax Rates

Social Security's Old-Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance (OASDI) program and Medicare's Hospital Insurance (HI) program are financed primarily by employment taxes. Tax rates are set by law (see sections 1401, 3101, and 3111 of the Internal Revenue Code) and apply to earnings up to a maximum amount for OASDI.

https://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc751.html

IRS

Topic 751 - Social Security and Medicare Withholding Rates

Taxes under the Federal Insurance Contributions Act (FICA) are composed of the old-age, survivors, and disability insurance taxes, also known as Social Security taxes, and the hospital insurance tax, also known as Medicare taxes. Different rates apply for these taxes.

The current tax rate for Social Security is 6.2% for the employer and 6.2% for the employee, or 12.4% total. The current rate for Medicare is 1.45% for the employer and 1.45% for the employee, or 2.9% total. Refer to Publication 15, (Circular E), Employer's Tax Guide, for more information; or Publication 51, (Circular A), Agricultural Employer’s Tax Guide, for agricultural employers.

Only the Social Security tax has a wage base limit. The wage base limit is the maximum wage that is subject to the tax for that year. For earnings in 2015, this base is $118,500. Refer to "What’s New" in Publication 15 for the current wage limit for Social Security wages; or Publication 51 for agricultural employers.

There is no wage base limit for Medicare tax. All covered wages are subject to Medicare tax.

In tax years 2013 and later, Additional Medicare Tax applies to an individual’s Medicare wages that exceed a threshold amount based on the taxpayer’s filing status. Employers are responsible for withholding the 0.9% Additional Medicare Tax on an individual’s wages paid in excess of $200,000 in a calendar year, without regard to filing status. An employer is required to begin withholding Additional Medicare Tax in the pay period in which it pays wages in excess of $200,000 to an employee and continue to withhold it each pay period until the end of the calendar year. There is no employer match for Additional Medicare Tax. For more information, see Questions and Answers for the Additional Medicare Tax on IRS.gov.

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nolu chan  posted on  2015-11-23   17:34:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: nolu chan (#32)

"The payroll deductions are a tax."

They are specific taxes with a specific, corresponding obligation by the government. The point being, both Social Security and Medicare are programs funded by the individuals who will later benefit from those programs.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-11-23   18:39:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#54. To: misterwhite (#39)

They are specific taxes with a specific, corresponding obligation by the government. The point being, both Social Security and Medicare are programs funded by the individuals who will later benefit from those programs.

The excuse for confiscating the money is specific. Once they have it, they do what they want with it. The money goes into the general fund and disappears. Few millenials paying Social Security believe it will be there for them 40 years from now -- with good cause.

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