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Title: ObamaCareÂ’s imploding even without repeal
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URL Source: http://nypost.com/2015/11/22/obamac ... imploding-even-without-repeal/
Published: Nov 23, 2015
Author: By Post Editorial Board
Post Date: 2015-11-23 09:37:47 by no gnu taxes
Keywords: None
Views: 4042
Comments: 61

It’s looking like ObamaCare won’t survive even if Congress can’t manage to repeal it.

The nation’s largest health insurer, UnitedHealth Group, said last week that it’s losing too much — $425 million — from policies sold on the health exchanges, and may have to pull out by 2017.

The company admits it’s “a potentially huge blow” to the new system: “If a major publicly traded insurer bows out, others may follow and destabilize the entire individual market.”

Game over for ObamaCare?

UnitedHealth CEO Stephen Hemsley seems to imply just that: “We can’t really subsidize a marketplace that doesn’t appear at the moment to be sustaining itself.”

Mind you, UnitedHealth was a huge backer of the 2009 law. One of its top execs, Andrew Slavitt, then joined the administration to run the health exchanges.

What’s going on here? Basically, the long-feared “death spiral”: Not enough young, healthy folks are signing up for these plans, so insurers are losing money despite the hefty federal subsidies for the coverage. They’re raising premiums to even things out — but that drives even more folks away, so that only older, less-healthy customers remain, driving new losses . . .

Looking at the collapse of the ObamaCare “cooperatives” a few weeks back, Betsy McCaughey warned in these pages that the death spiral was under way.

Now here’s America’s biggest insurance provider saying pretty much the same thing. Hemsley cited weak enrollment and high medical costs for those who did sign up.

And the Obama administration itself last month predicted 2016 enrollment would be less than half of what the Congressional Budget Office predicted in March.

Republicans have been tossing around plans to replace ObamaCare from the start. Now it’s time for Democrats to join in — unless they want to get caught looking when the whole thing goes belly-up.

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#2. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

That's part of the plan. It was designed for failure ... an intermediate step at best . The emperor and the Dems have always wanted a universal single payer European type system. They will make the argument that leaving national health care in the hands of the greedy Big Insurance,Big Pharma etc was the big flaw in Obamacare .

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The emperor and the Dems have always wanted a universal single payer European type system. They will make the argument that leaving national health care in the hands of the greedy Big Insurance,Big Pharma etc was the big flaw in Obamacare .

And they will be right, too.

We need universal Medicare, birth to death, paid for by taxes. That's what we need, and that's what we're going to get, eventually.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-11-23   10:33:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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We need universal Medicare, birth to death, paid for by taxes. That's what we need, and that's what we're going to get, eventually.

You might be able to get these massive social welfare programs to work to some degree in small countries with homogeneous populations, and a common identity; however it's not going to work in the US. With a population as big and as diverse as it is, and with warring interests throughout, the producers aren't going to serve as a money bag for the beggars, especially when the beggars see them as the enemy.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2015-11-23   10:51:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: no gnu taxes (#7)

You might be able to get these massive social welfare programs to work to some degree in small countries with homogeneous populations,

France is not all that small (about a fifth of the US population), and it is not at all homogeneous, but the French health insurance system (which is universal Medicare) works great.

The German health insurance system is pretty good too. So is the Italian. And Dutch and Belgian. And Danish and Swedish and Norwegian and Finnish and Austrian. Add those up, and you've got something approximating the population of the US, something not homogeneous, and something that all has health care about as good as here, and health insurance much better.

Ditto for universal public education there versus here. They educate as many kids, better, cheaper than we do. Because they wholeheartedly accept the universal national duty to do so, and they don't have a major electorate that opposes the IDEA of universal education. The kids over there clobber ours on math and sciences. We don't get much for OUR money, but that's not because universal public education doesn't work. It's because Americans are foolishly disunited on the need for it.

Ditto for the retirement systems. They have them, we have a hodge-podge of social security and IRAs.

Their taxes are higher to pay for these things. But when you combine the cost of our taxes PLUS the other money we have to spend to replace the health insurance, educational expenses and retirement benefits that the America-sized chunk of Europeans pay for out of their taxes, you discover that Americans pay MORE of their income to cover the same services that the Europeans do efficiently through government, and that the services and protections in America are shittier - for a higher price.

American social welfare is poor, BECAUSE we stupidly inject profit-seeking private corporations into providing what ought to be provided universally and consistently through government insurance on a not-for-profit basis, we end up spending a great deal more money, net-net, to get a great deal less.

But the for-profit middle-men, politically connected and savvy, who stockjob these public insurance programs by filling the gap, THEY are as happy as pigs in slop in the US crony capitalist system of providing basic social insurance.

And folks like you will fight against your own interests to your dying breath, because you have been utterly bamboozled by the propaganda of these middlemen, and will categorically refuse to actually look at the numbers and results. The results contradict an ideology you've bought, and you're not going to rethink it.

Which is too bad for you and for the rest of us too, because we really need bright conservatives to stop standing for crony capitalism, to understand that social insurance is part of necessary infrastructure for a modern economy, and to insist upon good financial management of the universal not-for-profits to cover these human infrastructural needs.

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