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Title: Lavrov to US: Drop demands for Assad ouster if you want us to take out ISIS for you
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HotAir
URL Source: http://hotair.com/archives/2015/11/ ... t-us-to-take-out-isis-for-you/
Published: Nov 18, 2015
Author: Ed Morrissey
Post Date: 2015-11-19 21:32:55 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 1428
Comments: 19
“It seems to me there are no longer any doubts that it is simply unacceptable to put forward any pre-conditions for joining forces in the fight against terror,” Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said after meeting his counterpart from Lebanon Gebran Bassil in Moscow. … Lavrov expressed hope that other Western powers would follow suit and would be more open to cooperating with Moscow in Syria. “I hope that the change in position of our Western colleagues — which unfortunately came at the cost of the terrible terror attacks — will be seen on the part of our other Western partners,” Russia’s top diplomat said. The Guardian says this is less of a reset than it is the result of a long retreat. Even Assad has that much figured out: The shifting mood was also caught by Assad himself, who said in an interview with a French magazine that Syria would only share intelligence on terrorists with France if it changes its policies in the region. Syrian officials have been making this argument to European countries for the last couple of years, but it is now being listened to as calls multiply to work with Assad as the “lesser evil” to Isis. “If the French government is not serious in its fight against terrorism, we will not waste our time collaborating with a country, government or an institution that supports terrorism,” the Syrian president told the magazine Valeurs Actuelles on Saturday. “You have to first change policy … to be part of an alliance that joins countries only fighting terrorism and not supporting them.” Illustrating the trend, the Spanish foreign minister, Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo, called for an agreement with Assad “to begin a ceasefire allowing aid to reach the displaced … kickstart a political transition and above all attack our common enemy”. France is already signaling that they are much more interested in attacking ISIS than pushing Assad out. The Spaniards seem to be pushing for that policy, and it’s almost a no-brainer that Germany would prefer to focus on ISIS after this. If the European nations go along with this — and with ISIS now a threat on their streets, it’s difficult to imagine that they’d prioritize Assad’s fate over ISIS — then Barack Obama is going to start feeling very lonely, and very soon. On top of all this, it’s also the right call. Regardless of how terrible a despot Assad is — although not so bad that the Obama administration and Hillary Clinton refrained from describing him as a “reformer” — the actual threat to US and Western interests comes from ISIS. Until the last few weeks, Obama posited that ISIS was already declining and that removing Assad would hasten their collapse. That is clearly wrong, and now we have a quasi-state that has turned from consolidating its position to striking their enemies abroad. The priority is obviously ISIS, not Assad. The EU will need Russia on their side, especially since Obama has made it clear that he has no interest in applying any more effort in fighting ISIS. The only one who doesn’t seem to grasp the shift, at least so far, is Obama. Smart power. Earlier today in the Philippines, Barack Obama responded to Russian and French proposals for an anti-ISIS coalition by suggesting that he’d join up — as soon as the Russians dispensed with Bashar al-Assad. Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov has a different deal in mind: Russia steps up to pull Obama’s chestnuts out of the fire and the US quits making demands about Assad. Consider it Moscow’s idea of a reset: Russia said Wednesday that following the carnage in Paris it was now clear that global powers should unite without any preconditions on the fate of Syria’s embattled leader Bashar al-Assad. In recent weeks, the US, Britain and the other countries that had previously insisted on Assad’s immediate departure have been signalling he could stay on for a transition period of a few months but would eventually have to go. The Russians have seized on this as evidence that the debate about Syria is going their way.
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#1. To: TooConservative (#0)
Putin has 0bama by the balls, although that might be a poor play on words. 0bama has no leverage at all to make demands. Assad is non-issue anymore.
Recent events have tipped the momentum in Syria in Russia's favor on the international stage. The usual NATO cabal is breaking ranks with Emperor Obola and siding with Putin. The EU leaders seem to recognize that FSA is a joke and that in the end, there will only be Assad, ISIS and al-Qaeda. On that scale, Assad is the least evil by any measure.
Putin would seem to be the man Obama can only dream of.
Psalm 37 PRAY FOR PARIS
A nice reminder of how much the leading Dems were bowing and scraping to Assad for many years. Kerry and Assad, having dinner…in 2009 Pelosi kissing Assad’s arse in 2007 http://bp3.blogger.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/RjQleFxNKmI/AAAAAAAADw8/4BLvaBgODlE/s1600-h/pelosi+assad+ad.JPG You might recall Speaker Nancy flying to Syria with 140 of her closest Dem Congresspals to grovel for Assad and beg him to cooperate. Of course, they were deliberating undermining the Bush administration's conduct of foreign policy and doing so in a foreign capital.
Hillary and Kerry want a puppet dictator that will back up their tales of dodging bullets and such. Future Syrian dictator? The most intelligent thing that has been said since this mess started.
Don't forget, 0bama lost control over the Ukraine and especially Crimea as well. 0bama is a world class wimpboy anymore.
Snakehead! I haven't seen him recently. I saw a pic of his wife a couple of weeks ago. The years haven't been kind.
Psalm 37 PRAY FOR PARIS
I won't say what I was thinking. I've been on his rear end all day. I'll give it a rest.
Psalm 37 PRAY FOR PARIS
NATO set the template with Yugoslavia/Bosnia and especially with creating the phony narcoterrorist country of "Kosovo", essentially an enclave of radical Muslims that migrated illegally into an enclave of Serbia. At the time, the Russians were very resentful but too weak to take us on directly. But the Russians at the time said that they would consider that a template of how foreign relations were to be conducted in the future in the Caucasus and areas near Russia/CIS. This was followed by Russia's actions in detaching Abkhazia and South Ossetia from Georgia and then reclaiming Crimea (an old Russian territory for centuries until the Fifties) as Russian territory. Meaning they will never give it back, no matter what. These are the rules we chose to play by in Serbia. And those are the rules Vlad is now playing by with Georgia and Ukraine, both longtime heartland regions of the Russian tsars and the USSR. And there is no end of wailing from the neocons when Russia behaves toward its neighbors as America and EU/NATO behaved toward Serbia over Kosovo. There is another often-ignored and bitter legacy of Kosovo: in current polling, a majority of the Chinese people respond with anger over the bombing of the Chinese embassy at that time, much as many Iranians hate us for shooting down their Airbus in the Gulf. These things are not forgotten, by the Iranians, the Chinese or the Russians. Our compliant media pretends these grudges simply don't exist and you see almost no mention of them in the American press. It is worth recalling that it was EU/NATO that started their intervention in Yugoslavia with America hanging back. Only when EU/NATO exhausted itself after months did they come begging Xlinton to get involved (which he did happily with full support from Dumbya Bush and McStain). Similarly, we saw the same with EU/NATO starting the war on Libya and then exhausted themselves with aircraft parts and missiles, relying on us to come in and get the job done. And Obola fell for it, just as Xlinton did. But in Libya, there is little chance for any stability for a long time to come. It has ceased to exist as a country and many lawless elements prefer it that way. It is no longer a country, more like a criminal fiefdom of clans, centering around two hostile factions on both sides of a huge desert. Hell, it was barely a country to begin with. Now it's nothing but a breeding ground for terrorists and refugees. Much the same thing was planned for Syria but Obola drew back, disappointing EU/NATO leaders and the neocons in the Beltway. They still cry about it. The result is still likely to be decades of blighted growth for Syria. Most of Syria's problems were instigated from outside the country. Syria is under attack by jihadis from all over the world, under the leadership of Saddam's former spymasters and military leaders. The jihadis are in two flavors: 1) the mostly native Syrian Sunni al-Nusra/al-Qaeda affiliate and 2) the ISIS formations which are a coalition of various foreign Sunni jihadis like the Chechens and the Libyans and the various EU jihadis who came to Syria via a complicit Turkey. Foreign policy has become more and more foul over the last two decades under Xlinton, Dumbya and Obongo.
Birth wasn't kind to either of them. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
And you know who you have to blame for that Bush1 who didn't take Saddam out when he had the chance and left the shiites to toast
Good. I use to listen to her when she filled in for Rush. When she married Snakehead, I lost ALL respect I ever had for her, and would not believe her if she said the sun comes up in the east. Her career went down the drain after that marriage. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists. “The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - George S. Patton
Dumbya followed your advice and you can see the result in Iraq today. Spook Daddy was smart enough not to destabilize the region. And history will depict his colossal blunder exactly that way. A case of Father Knows Best.
Dumbya wanted to finish daddy's war, it was some sort of honour thing, and daddy was in the pocket of the saudi and Iraq was their proxy war, while they sat at home shaking in their boots. They were called the Gulf wars but they should have been called the Oil wars. Now you have secure supply and you don't need the saudi you can be nonchalant and tokenish about outcomes as Obama has proven.
And Jeb will kill for spook daddy.
His father opposed his Iraq invasion and for sound reasons. Some people think he went after Saddam because on one of the anniversaries of the Kuwait liberation, Spook Daddy went over to celebrate as the honored guest. Saddam sent assassins to murder him and they got pretty close to him. I'm not quite sure that I buy into the you-tried-to-kill-my-daddy-you-sumbich theory.
I'd rather he goes to prison for Dear Old Dad. He pledged that too.
Russia steps up to pull Obama’s chestnuts out of the fire and the US quits making demands about Assad.
#2. To: buckeroo (#1)
#3. To: buckeroo (#1)
#4. To: buckeroo (#1)
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/03/article-2408805-1B94E57D000005DC-829_634x509.jpg
#5. To: TooConservative (#0)
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#6. To: TooConservative (#0)
Lavrov to US: Drop demands for Assad ouster if you want us to take out ISIS for you
#7. To: Don (#3)
#8. To: hondo68 (#5)
#9. To: buckeroo (#7)
#10. To: buckeroo, Pericles, tomder55 (#7)
Don't forget, 0bama lost control over the Ukraine and especially Crimea as well. 0bama is a world class wimpboy anymore.
#11. To: TooConservative, Don, Pericles, tomder55 (#10)
#12. To: Don (#8)
The years haven't been kind.
#13. To: TooConservative (#10)
Foreign policy has become more and more foul over the last two decades under Xlinton, Dumbya and Obongo.
#14. To: Don (#8)
" Snakehead! I haven't seen him recently. I saw a pic of his wife a couple of weeks ago. The years haven't been kind. "
#15. To: paraclete (#13)
And you know who you have to blame for that Bush1 who didn't take Saddam out when he had the chance and left the shiites to toast
#16. To: TooConservative (#15)
Dumbya followed your advice
#17. To: paraclete, tooconservative (#16)
#18. To: paraclete (#16)
Dumbya wanted to finish daddy's war, it was some sort of honour thing, and daddy was in the pocket of the saudi and Iraq was their proxy war, while they sat at home shaking in their boots.
#19. To: A K A Stone (#17)
And Jeb will kill for spook daddy.
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