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Title: Madness In Missouri: Football Is Not Worth America’s Future
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Published: Nov 9, 2015
Author: Paul Kersey
Post Date: 2015-11-09 22:50:23 by nativist nationalist
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Capitulation, self-abasement, groveling—are the words even strong enough to describe the actions of Tim Wolfe [Email him] president of the University of Missouri, who has just resigned because of pressure exerted on him by what amounts to a black lynch mob? [Tim Wolfe, University of Missouri System President, Resigns, by John Eligon, New York Times, November 9, 2015] The Chancellor of the University, R. Bowen Loftin, has also been forced out. The power of social media, a climate of extreme white guilt, the moral hegemony of black issues in America, and the leverage a football team has over a sports-mad community, forced Wolfe, a white man, to resign his position of authority because of incidents he had no hand in creating [How the Missouri football team just took down its university president, by Philip Bump, Washington Post, November 9, 2015] Hilariously, the 4-5 Missouri Tigers football team wasn’t entirely united in threatening to boycott the upcoming game against BYU unless Wolfe resigned. One white player has been quoted as saying: “”As much as we want to say everyone is united, half the team and coaches—black and white—are pissed. If we were 9-0, this wouldn’t be happening” [Missouri player says many on team don’t support practice boycott, by Sheldon Richardson, ESPN, November 9, 2015]. Had Missouri been in contention for an SEC East title, you can bet your life savings the team would never have joined the Social Justice Warrior campaign to unseat Wolfe. Witness the complete lack of interest in holding the program accountable when its players were accused of rape last year, which the Tigers finished as champions of the Eastern Division [Missouri Football’s Rape Culture “And So On And So Forth” by Jessica Luther, VICE.com, September 9, 2014]. But what exactly forced Wolfe to resign? Well, it smells like just another campus hoax of the type that the Cultural Marxist Left regularly uses to advance its goals of dismantling “white privilege” a.k.a., ultimately, Western Civilization itself: Racial tensions at the campus have been rising over the last several months. Last month, an excrement-smeared swastika was on a dorm’s new white wall was the catalyst for a hunger strike initiated by Jonathan L. Butler, a 25-year- old graduate student. “I already feel like campus is an unlivable space,” Butler, who is African American, told the Washington Post last month. “So it’s worth sacrificing something of this grave amount, because I’m already not wanted here. I’m already not treated like I’m a human.” In addition to the swastika incident, Payton Head, the Missouri Students Association president and an African-American, said he was racially abused as he walked on campus. That incident triggered a student protest when university officials did not address it for a week. Last month, a student yelled the N-word at members of the Legion of Black Collegians in a campus plaza while they were rehearsing for a play. [Why Missouri football players are going on strike; university president won’t quit, by Cindy Boren, Washington Post, November 8, 2015] That’s it? Seriously? What type of reprobate would use feces to draw a swastika but a lunatic Leftist aiming to stampede the administration into making concessions to their anti-white demands? What are the odds that Jonathan Butler was himself was responsible for the act that he claims motivated him to start his hunger strike because of the campus is “an unlivable space?” This sort of thing has happened many times before—back in 2004 Sam Francis wrote that At San Francisco State, the [LA Times] reports, two black students scrawled racial epithets in their own dormitories and then claimed “white racists“ did it. At Northwestern University, a Hispanic student claimed someone grabbed him, held a knife to his throat and called him a bad name. At Claremont College a professor claimed her car was smeared with anti-Semitic slogans. Police say in all these cases the perpetrator was the alleged “victim”. Even more absurdly, Payton Head, the black student who claims to be the victim of racial pejoratives, serves as the Missouri Students Association president and was even the 2015 Mizzou Alumni Association Homecoming King. If he’s been oppressed at Missouri, he certainly continues to fall upward. The kicker for questioning Head on the veracity of being called a “n*gger” comes courtesy of his resume: When senior Payton Head was in high school, he never won anything. He applied for his homecoming royalty court all four years and never made it once on top 10. That’s why when he heard his name called as the 2015 Homecoming king at Faurot Field, he froze. “It was really, really a shocker for me to win,” Head said. “I was just thrilled to be on court and serve with such incredible people. Any one of them standing next to me I thought would’ve made an amazing homecoming king or homecoming queen. It was baffling. I didn’t know what to say.” This was the Missouri Students Association president and Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc. member’s first time participating in Mizzou Alumni Association’s Homecoming. He had been involved in the Legion of Black Collegians’ separate homecoming celebrations since his freshman year. In fact, he ran for LBC count as a freshman and lost that too. Head has been an activist for social change since he stepped foot on MU. He joined the Social Justice committee as a freshman — then, it was called the Multicultural Issues committee, but Head changed the name during his sophomore year to reflect the current goals of the committee. Under his leadership, the MSA Social Justice committee was nominated for an Inclusive Excellence Award by the MU chapter of the NAACP and as the Coretta Scott King Organization of the Year in 2014. [Homecoming King Payton Head talks involvement, social justice and inclusivity: Head’s participation in the Mizzou Alumni Association Homecoming came a cost as he missed the Legion of Black Collegians’ Homecoming events., TheManEater.com, October 20, 2015] (Wait! How come black students at Missouri (79 percent white and 8 percent black) get to have their own, racially-exclusive homecoming event…ah, fuhgeddaboutit.) Note that Head didn’t immediately go to the campus police and report the offense—even though Mizzou police and administrators have a record of reacting to offenses against Political Correctness with unbridled hysteria. Instead, he took to social media and project the encounter, to trigger Social Justice Warriors nationwide. It worked: The first time someone shouted a racial slur at him on campus, Payton Head was shocked, a little stunned. He grew up on the south side of Chicago in a black community where he was used to being in the majority. He had never had direct racism thrown in his face before. The second time it happened to him, Head said, he was walking with a friend to get cookies Friday night when a red pickup truck slowed and young people screamed the n-word at him. But Head is now the president of the students’ association at the University of Missouri. So he knew what to do: Tell people. They listened. His social-media post had been shared well over 1,000 times within a few days, the Columbia Missourian newspaper spread it as well, and the responses were more than he could keep up with. Many people thanked him for speaking out, with comments like, “Preach, baby, preach!” A spokesperson for the campus police said that the incident was reported to have happened near campus, not on it. The Columbia Police Department does not have a report of that nature by Head, according to a spokesperson there. Head thinks his account resonated so widely because “this story is not just something that happens here. It’s not a Mizzou issue. It’s a societal issue. And very few people are privileged to have the voice to speak up that people will listen to.” [What the student body president did after he was called the n-word — again, by Susan Svrluga, Washington Post, September 16, 2015] There exists literally no proof that Head was called the dreaded N-word at all, save for his decision to go to Facebook and tell the entire world about it. But in a country where it is racist to even question his claim (there is no burden of proof, because as a black male, Head is beyond rebuke), the poop swastika incident and the 2015 Mizzou Alumni Association Homecoming King’s claim that he was called the N-word have whipped up a storm that has cost the white president of the university his job...for starters. All the insanity of life in 2015 America is on display in this episode. I’ve long argued that college football is the opiate of America. We must find a way to break this addiction. The future of the country our children will inherit is far, far more important than our alma mater’s performance in any game. 
Black protesters celebrate their victory over the University of Missouri.
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But what exactly forced Wolfe to resign? Well, it smells like just another campus hoax of the type that the Cultural Marxist Left regularly uses to advance its goals of dismantling “white privilege” a.k.a., ultimately, Western Civilization itself: At San Francisco State, the [LA Times] reports, two black students scrawled racial epithets in their own dormitories and then claimed “white racists“ did it. At Northwestern University, a Hispanic student claimed someone grabbed him, held a knife to his throat and called him a bad name. At Claremont College a professor claimed her car was smeared with anti-Semitic slogans. Police say in all these cases the perpetrator was the alleged “victim”.
The 1960s all over again but with a more militant crowd. This the cause is the "death to white privilege".
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
But with the same caliber of people backing the easily influenced brats.
Who will push back Trump, Rubio, Carson, Cruz?
So far, Trump has been the only one vociferous and energetic enough to do it. He's instigated a war. Even if he backs out there are others who have been aroused enough to continue it.
I read the school would lose $1 million if they forfeited the game. If I were the president of the university, I'd remind the football players that they had a contract and if anyone refused to play and give 100% they'd lose their athletic scholarship. Any professor who joined the "strike" would get a similar messge. I'd rather be fired for bravery than quit because of cowadice.
The demographics of the university are close to the demographics of the real world. What are these sensitive little whiners going to do if and when they graduate and start working? Who are they going to demand step down to feed their egos? College is meant to prepare you for real life, not shield you from it.
Liquidated damages.
Capitalism. Let's be clear: he didn't resign over the black protests. They were going on, and he was ignoring them. He resigned because the football team went on strike. Every football game brings $5 million or so in revenue to a school of that size. That's coin enough to pay the salaries of 12 Wolfe's. And the school would still have to pay the $1 million or so per game contract fee if they didn't play. So, the school would be laying out millions of dollars to other schools for all of the missed games. 5 missed games, $25 million in revenue, and $5 million in fixed costs that you have to spend. That's a lot of coin, and a lot of people very interested in that coin. When the football team went on strike, that was the end of the road, because THAT meant REAL MONEY, RIGHT NOW, and the players were irreplaceable. Universities are capitalist organizations, enmeshed in a very capitalist game of football, that generates massive revenues for a large number of people. What goes on in chem lab and math class is interesting, and maybe someday some of those students will take their place as drones of science or business. But football is big business, big revenue, big capitalism, right here, right now. A football team strike means millions of dollars in payouts by the school, and tens of millions in lost revenue, RIGHT NOW. There is no way to replace the football team on a dime. The players are the game, and therefore, if the players strike, they have the power. We've seen it in the major league strikes. The millions - or billions - in lost revenue are so traumatic for everybody that eventually management has caved over time. Players have more power now than ever before, not because management gave it out of the goodness of their hearts, but because the players are irreplaceable, and when the players stop playing, the gravy train of millions of dollars stops flowing for everybody. In capitalism, money talks, and football players are the SOURCE of millions of dollars. A university President is easily replaced. A million dollars paid out for a game that doesn't get played means $4 million in lost profits in four days, and another $4 million a week after that. Wolfe's salary was somewhere around $450,000 a year. You can find somebody to sit in that chair in a week. But the football players can't be replaced so quickly. In capitalism, money talks, bullshit walks. All of the politics and protests were meaningless. But when the guys with their hands on the spigot of $5 million a week turned off the spigot, the capitalists jumped and the politics and image and all of the other principles were immediately swept aside. This is a capitalist country. Money rules here. And on campus, football and basketball are the big money, the profit center. If the football or basketball team strikes, the other "principles" are always less important than the $5 million bucks a week: because this is a capitalist country, and in the end, money is the most important thing in our government, in our politics, on our campuses, and to most of our people. What, exactly, forced Wolfe to resign? The football players strike, to the tune of $5 million a week. That's what. Everything else is noise. Money talks, bullshit walks.
And if you did that, you would quickly withdraw your statements because your lawyers would tell you that football scholarships at your school are regulated by the NCAA, not you, and that your attempt to use the scholarships in this manner would result in the NCAA suspending athletic scholarships at your school. That, then, would mean the loss of all of the revenue from football and basketball, and the death of your sports programs. The trustees would fire you on the spot for malfeasance. You do not control the scholarship process. They are not chits you can use to assert power. There are hundreds of millions of dollars in college athletics, and the NCAA and other very powerful organizations have control over the process to protect that money flow. As university President, you don't have the power to do what it is you say you'd do. So if you did it anyway, you'd just be a rulebreaker, and that would give them the pretext to throw you out for willful wrongdoing, and maybe even withhold various benefits from you. You wouldn't be fired for bravery. You'd be fired for breaches of contracts and willful malfeasance. Then you'd get sued. And you'd lose.
Uh-huh. And what does the NCAA say about a player on an athletic scholarship who refuses to play? "You'd be fired for breaches of contracts and willful malfeasance." Doesn't that descried the conduct of the striking players?
Even better.
This post pretty well outlines the controls the lawyers have on society. Tha Left has learned well how to beat us using our own game against us.
Psalm 37
It never got that far. The natives got restless and the president of the university (and the chancellor) ran away. With this leadership vacuum, what's to be accomplished now?
Perhaps, but they have millions of dollars that other people want to earn under their control, so giving them the stiff arm means losing tons of money. This is a capitalist society. Money talks. There are two elements in opposition: rainmaking football players who hold $25 million + and a program's future in their hands. And one replaceable college President who brings in peanuts compared to that. Where the valuable asset? The football team. So you make a business decision, oust the unit of lesser economic importance, and replace it (him) with something that will not disrupt revenue generation. You're making this about personal desire and honor and all of those quaint things that don't have much value in the American business model. Money talks, bullshit walks. Also, if you give the football players the stiff arm, you are likely to create the move by college players all across the nation to UNIONIZE, which they have the right to do. After all, they generate massive revenues and are paid little. And they can cut off the revenue stream. They very nearly DID unionize at Northwestern, and had to be given concessions to prevent it. A team stands up for something that bothers them, and you try to crush them, you could end up setting the whole cozy world of college football aflame, and in the end transfer hundreds of millions of dollars from schools and sports organizations to unionized players. It is so much easier to just replace a squeaky wheel college president than to risk so much money on some sort of testosterone-driven crapshoot over nothing. Money talks, bullshit walks. Capitalism in action. Labor can unionize.
I see. The college should give in because, hey, they only have to fire the president and chancellor. Gosh. That's not too bad. Play ball! Do you really think it's going to stop there? At this university or others? When there's millions at stake? Next time anyone with a beef -- blacks, Mexicans, gays, a atheists, women -- will put pressure on the sports teams to support their cause (o ( (o (or else!). The way to do it is to kick them off the team, take a away thei their scholarships their scholarships and tell everyone who refuses t to play that their names will be be be disclosed to the media and the professional teams. Who the f**k is in charge here?
The college is just a structure. It has no mind. The college president and chancellors must give in, because they are the the least important financial actors. Those with the most money - the most to gain, the most to lose, and the ones who generate it - they are the ones who are in charge. Everybody else is a passenger.
And the school would still have to pay the $1 million or so per game contract fee if they didn't play. So, the school would be laying out millions of dollars to other schools for all of the missed games. Couldn't they revoke the athletic scholarships for any "striking" player and field a team of anyone willing to suit up? This cave in just invites more "strikes" for whatever perceived complaint. It's like the Air Traffic Controllers. Reagan fired the lot of them and no group of ATCs has followed their example.
The 9th Circuit Court just ruled recently that the football players do not have the right to unionize. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/01/sports/obannon-ncaa-case-court-of-appeals-ruling.html By MARC TRACY and BEN STRAUSS
It's like the Air Traffic Controllers. Sure. Major League Baseball tried that. It failed calamitously. Trouble is, there are only so many athletes who are really good enough to play, and the schools are all in competition for them, and the sports - football and basketball - bring in tens of millions of dollars to the schools every year, more than any other thing. Alumni giving is keyed to games. Professional baseball owners were very greedy, very arrogant, and thought they had all the power, so they took your approach. The fans hated it, because the second string wasn't any good, and it showed. It was backyard league baseball. People did not want to pay Major League prices to go and watch the second string. So they didn't. They didn't go. They didn't watch. And billions of dollars were being lost. On what principle, EXACTLY? "I am king shit on turd mountain, and I will concede you NOTHING!" Very well, then LOSE BILLIONS, asshole. That's what it came down to. Baseball players are just men with families. They have millions. They'll do just fine if they don't get more. But MLB, and the Sports stations, the whole multi-billion dollar industry, it LIVES on the games. And the people could see the obvious difference between the second string and the real players, and they went and did other things rather than pay to watch crap. In the end, the owners had two choices: lose billions and go out of business, or concede lots of power and money to the men who make it possible for baseball to happen: the players. They did what capitalists do: they struck a deal. They decided not to commit economic suicide, which is what "standing up to the players" and conceding nothing meant. The players control the most important commodity in the game: the fans. People are fans of players and the big game. They don't love the owners or the organizations. They pay big money to those organizations to see what they want, and what they want is good baseball by the top players. That costs a lot of money - more money than the owners were willing to play. But in the end, the owners had no choice. They had to back down and concede a lot, because without the players, there's no baseball. That's the bottom line. So it's not at all like the Air Traffic Controllers. ATC doesn't bring in the cash. They're just traffic cops of the air. They are replaceable. Top athletic talent is not so easily replaceable. It's a rare commodity. And it is AWARE that it is a rare commodity. Collegiate athletes are not currently unionized, but they could be. And if they did, the colleges would lose in the end just as Major League Baseball lost and Pro Football and Pro Basketball and all of the various owners' leagues that have tried to retain iron fisted control over the talent. Truth is, the OWNERS are replaceable. All they are is money, and money is utterly fungible. Athletic talent is a gift from God, and it's a lot rarer than money. Athletes want to play. And they get benefits from it. But if you don't treat them square, they can strike, and when they do, they win because they are the only pieces of the equation that has what cannot be replaced. Air Traffic Controllers don't generate hundreds of millions of dollars in revenues, and they are replaceable. Athletes do, and they're not.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/01/sports/obannon-ncaa-case-court-of-appeals-ruling.html Well, if the athletes around the nation don't want to, that will stand. But if they see what happened in Missouri and taste the power that is there - the blood in the water - they may just go ahead, led by union organizers. OR the schools will fall backwards over themselves to make the athletes happy enough not to. The notion that the schools are going to "Hold the line" if the football and basketball players decide to unionize is ridiculous. Pro-ball tried to do that - hold the line - they failed. The problem is that the athletes have something that the schools need. Individually, athletes are replaceable. But united, they're not, and the revenue they bring is too great for the schools to live without. Of course, college athletes are young and looking ahead to bigger things, so if the schools treat them squarely, they won't unionize. What happened at Mizzou shows the latent power of having an irreplaceable asset.
You sure don't know much about air traffic controllers.
I know that Air Traffic Controllers do not generate millions of dollars in revenue when they take their seats. I know that when Reagan fired them, they were able to be replaced by the "second string". I have nothing against ATC at all. They do great work. But an ATC strike is not comparable to a strike by athletes.
Do you know what is required to be a second string controller?
Schools can hold the line because the players are not employees. That hinders their ability to form an employee union and collectively bargain for wages. They can refuse to play. The school can revoke their scholarship. It's a bit tough to transfer to another program as a troublemaker. With rare exceptions, the players will terminate their NFL ambitions. If they cannot afford to pay, they can leave school. If the union movement poses a serious threat, the conference can step in to share the expense of a college suspending its program for the remainder of the year. In 1987, the NFL regular players went on strike after week 2. Week 3 games were canceled. By week 4, the league fielded substitute players with about 15% of the regulars crossing the picket lines to play. The games counted. After three games with substitutes, the union players decided to end the strike.
They are not employees. That is why they cannot collectively bargain.
Ah yes let the inmates run the asylum that will fix everything... LOL... They all need to be sent home to their mommas explaining why there will be no more new cars, clothes and houses from the boosters... Momma will beat the living schitt out of every last one of them for being total dumbasses... And where is Jay Nixon thru all of this idiocy/lunacy anyway??? Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
Shhhhh, don't tell him that he's my entertainment for today...
Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
It's because of that evil "white privilege". You know, where blacks get to attend college for free while playing football (in reality, playing football while "attending college"), thereby giving them the opportunity to make millions of dollars playing professional sports. Absolute worst case is they get a 4-year degree that didn't cost them a dime. Yessir. Whites keepin' da black man down.
The strike by some players of the Missouri football team had nothing to do with the way they were treated. They broke their contract with the school. They should be kicked off the team and lose their scholarship (if they had one). Not all the players wanted to strike. They should be able to find 11 who want to play.
I'm sure it takes a lot. And it's beside the point here.
Wouldn't it be great if you got to set the terms of the discussion in the world, the metes and boundaries within which people must remain? There are video games in which you can do that. I highly recommend them for you, because the real world is going to keep frustrating you and pissing you off, because people don't accept your rules, don't believe in them, won't obey them, and when they have the strength in various areas, they will will make the rules for themselves.
They are necessary for the operation of a billion dollar machine, and if they do things as a group, like the Mizzou students did, they can get their way whether the courts permit them to "collectively bargain" or not. A union by another name is still a union. The legal dictionary does not control the events of the world. If you wish to give a name other than "union" or "collective bargaining" to the de facto power that arises from a group having something other people need and are willing to bargain for, then by all means do so. The power exists. It just ousted a university president and chancellor, neither of whom intended to leave their jobs at the beginning of the week. A new power arose, and the consequences of defying it were too expensive for the powers that be at Mizzou to contemplate, so they beat a quick retreat and sacrificed the leaders of the school. Call that power what you like. Just don't say it doesn't exist because there's no neat legal box for it.
I see that you are reflexively on the side of management, as one would expect from a typical Republican. Good luck with that.
I see. So the university could go to some player, say they changed their mind, and cut off their scholarship despite their contract? Or does your silly rule only allow the players to f**k the university?
Not my rule. The athletes at Mizzou just fucked the President and the Chancellor, without negative consequences, so yeah, it is pretty much a one way thing. Because the players' games are what bring in the millions every weekend.
Ok. Call it an association. The College Football Players Association. That is legal and in actual practice. Think of it as similar to NAPS, the National Association of Postal Supervisors. Postal supervisors are forbidden from unionizing. They are forbidden from striking. They formed an association. If they strike, they can take a hike. They will be replaced on the next shift and the mail will go on. On September 7, 1908, 50 postal supervisors from post offices in 13 states met in Louisville, KY to establish an association that comprised members dedicated to the welfare of supervisors within the then-United States Post Office Department. More than 100 years later, the National Association of Postal Supervisors (NAPS) continues to work toward this same goal. With membership of approximately 24,000 active and retired United States Postal Service (USPS) supervisors, managers, and postmasters, NAPS promotes the prosperity of its members and the Postal Service. What started out as 50 Supervisors in Louisville has now expanded to almost 300 local branches across the continental United States as well as Alaska, Hawaii, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. Virgin Islands. NAPS' representation spans across the postal workforce, ranging from first-line supervisors who work both in facilities where postal employees process and deliver mail, to mid-level and senior managers in every functional area of the Postal Service as well as postmasters. NAPS members work in the field and also include postal employees from the marketing, finance, human resources, sales, maintenance, and various other postal departments. NAPS does not represent managers who work at USPS Headquarters in Washington, D.C., or senior managers in the Postal Career Executive Service (PCES) who are installation heads. Headquartered in Alexandria, VA, NAPS is very active in the national political arena. NAPS' political action committee, SPAC, has donated over $600,000 during a single election cycle. NAPS has an effective online legislative advocacy program that has authored several policy papers concerning NAPS issues and issues concerning the Postal Service. NAPS is governed by 21 area and regional vice presidents who oversee branches across the nation. Three resident officers have offices in Alexandria, VA and oversee the financial, membership, and legislative departments of the organization. These positions are elected every two years at a national convention. NAPS is a management association, not a union. NAPS is unique among federal management associations in that its rights are statutory, with a high level of detail concerning its relationship with USPS. NAPS' rights are listed under Title 39, US Code, Section 1004.
Good luck with that. Oh, did you ever miss the boat on that one. In fighting against management, it helps immensely to know what one is talking about and to know what management and a union can, and cannot do. The Air Traffic Controllers learned the hard way. This is rather akin to an argument I once had with a person who knew precisely how to defeat the entire criminal justice system. Everyone just refuses to take any sort of a plea and all cases are taken to trial. The system would just bog down under its own weight (sort of like illegal immigrant deportation). The system would not have the ability to handle all those trials in any reasonable amount of time. The backlog would be endless. It's a positively brilliant plan, don'tcha think?
Where do you get most of your information from? Books or studying things over the years? I feel a lot of people on the internet just do quick google searches and skimp lines while browsing.
It depends on the subject, I suppose.
No, because the difference is that the athletes in this case just ousted a President and a Chancellor, so the demonstration of real power is very clear and unmistakeable. To say that it doesn't exist is silly. The question is: what can that power shape itself into. And the answer you have is: it can't do anything because the law says. The law will change to fit the power, if the power finds its footing and asserts itself. Your comments come from the same direction as mrwhites. Something happened in Missouri that does not fit the legal template or the established "rules", and that has people ideologically in a flutter, looking for ways to smash down the threat to the established order. I'm taking the other side, and seeing that this particular power has aspects to it that cannot be batted down. I am getting bored with the argument, though, and am content to fade into the background on it and await developments. Fact is, athlete power worked spectacularly at Mizzou, and therefore we will see more of it. And because it's cutting along racial lines, but with the white players then joining the black, it becomes very difficult to resist it - there's a principle at stake that isn't money and privileges, but something else. It's an unexpected threat from an unprecedented axis, and that makes it very interesting. It reminds me of the Ents suddenly showing up at Isengard.
To say that it doesn't exist is silly. They did not oust a President, he resigned. He was either weak or fed up with the crap. To say that college students have the power to unionize and collectively bargain for pay is a fantasy. The answer is: NOT A UNION. Because that is what the Court said. They are not employees. Right. The law will change so that non-employees can sue for wages. Or some group of fools will put their scholarships on the line and will find themselves out on the street, an example for the next group. Notably, you avoided any attempt to explain why the plan to bring down the criminal justice system fails. I can understand that. You dodged the one at #37 about the National Association of Postal Supervisors, an existing, real world, example of people who cannot unionize or strike, but can form an association (but not a union). We may well see a recurrence. When it threatens the system, the hammer will come down. What do the non-employee student rebels do when their scholarships are revoked and their 15 minutes of fame come to an end? They have no legal case to take to court. Who has more political power? Poor students or rich millionaires associated with their universities? What are the students going to do? Form a PAC?
We'll see in the year to come. Something opened an eye and discovered it is a thing. It's not going to go away, because it won a public battle, swiftly. Football players get their bodies blasted left and right to entertain, and most don't get a lot out of it. The schools and sports broadcasters get rich out of proportion, but the injured players get a pittance. It will be very interesting to see what happens next. I enjoy your certitude that the rules as they currently are are sufficient to contain this thing. I don't think they are. If the players do not play, the schools lose millions, and they lose it FAST. That's the problem. And if the movement spreads between campuses, a billion dollars will be in the hazard. Oh, and the union organizers of the world are itching for a place to use their skills.
What is the pay that the athletes won? It will be very interesting to see what happens next. I enjoy your certitude that the rules as they currently are are sufficient to contain this thing. I don't think they are. If the players do not play, the schools lose millions, and they lose it FAST. That's the problem. That is only if no players play. That works in the same manner as nobody accepting a plea deal. The first batch of student athletes who are turned out to flip burgers at Mickey D will set quite an example for others to follow. For the pay argument, the athletes need to win nationwide. Assume the Missouri athletes won a pay demand from that University and got paid, the whole program would be banned in the rest of the nation for having paid athletes. The students have to take on the NCAA, not their individual school or its officials. Management has the power and they will fight tooth and nail. Student athletes can throw away their scholarships as a gesture against perceived insensitivity if they choose. They are not getting paid any time soon. https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/DIII%2BSummary%2Bof%2BNCAA%2BRegulations%2B2013-14.pdf NCAA Regulations a. You are not eligible for participation in a sport if after full-time collegiate enrollment you have ever: (1) Taken pay, or the promise of pay, for competing in that sport; (2) Agreed (orally or in writing) to compete in professional athletics in that sport; (3) Competed on any professional athletics team (as defined by the NCAA) in that sport; or (4) Used your athletics skill for pay in any form in that sport. (Prior to collegiate enrollment, an individual may accept prize money based only on his or her place finish or performance from the sponsor of an open athletics event, the United States Olympic Committee or the appropriate national governing body and actual and necessary expenses associated with the individual's practice and competition on a professional team.) [Bylaws l2.1.3. and 12.1.5] b. You are not eligible in a sport if you ever have accepted money, transportation or other benefits from an agent or agreed to have an agent market your athletics ability or reputation in that sport. [Bylaw 12.3.1] c. You are not eligible in any sport if, after you become a student-athlete, you accept any pay for promoting a commercial product or service or allow your name or picture to be used for promoting a commercial product or service, unless: (1) The individual became involved in such activities for reasons independent of athletics ability; (2) No reference is made in these activities to the individual's involvement in intercollegiate athletics; and (3) The individual's remuneration under such circumstances is at a rate commensurate with the individual's skill and experience as a model or performer and is not based in any way on the individual's athletics ability or reputation. [Bylaw 12.5.1.3] (4) You are not eligible in any sport if, because of your athletics ability, you were paid for work you did not perform, or were paid at a rate higher than the going rate. [Bylaw 12.4.1]
It has since been pointed out these players were in danger of losing their NFL career. "A silly idea is current that good people do not know what temptation means. This is an obvious lie. Only those who try to resist temptation know how strong it is... A man who gives in to temptation after five minutes simply does not know what it would have been like an hour later. That is why bad people, in one sense, know very little about badness. They have lived a sheltered life by always giving in.” ― C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity
Top athletes are not burger flippers. They are hard to replace, and people see the difference and know the difference.
They were in danger, but they won't. I hope you are feeling better.
"Top Athletes" are also not Greek Gods.
Psalm 37
No, they're not Greek gods. But then, neither are university presidents, sportscasters, athletic departments and clothing manufacturers, all of whom make billions off of the athletes efforts.
Your morals are questionalbe. What did the professor do wrong? That is right nothing. But you cheer his being fired.
This is all part of a fallen and corrupt world. There was a time perhaps when athletes were role models. These days most of them are role models for immorality and rotting lifestyles. You say entertainment. I say part of a world rapidly fading and soon to be reborn by God. I see no worth in them, not even for "entertainment."
Psalm 37
Your spelling is questionable.
Football Is Not Worth America’s Future
Good post
#2. To: rlk (#1)
#3. To: SOSO (#2)
The 1960s all over again but with a more militant crowd. This the cause is the "death to white privilege".
#4. To: SOSO (#2)
#5. To: A K A Stone (#4)
Who will push back Trump, Rubio, Carson, Cruz?
#6. To: nativist nationalist (#0)
(Edited)
#7. To: SOSO (#2)
"This the cause is the "death to white privilege".
#8. To: misterwhite (#6)
I'd remind the football players that they had a contract and if anyone refused to play and give 100% they'd lose their athletic scholarship.
#9. To: rlk (#1)
But what exactly forced Wolfe to resign?
#10. To: misterwhite (#6)
If I were the president of the university, I'd remind the football players that they had a contract and if anyone refused to play and give 100% they'd lose their athletic scholarship.
#11. To: Vicomte13 (#10)
(Edited)
"And if you did that, you would quickly withdraw your statements be be be be bec be because your lawyers would tell you that football scholarships at yo your school ar are regulated by the NCAA ..."
#12. To: Roscoe (#8)
"Liquidated damages."
#13. To: Vicomte13, all (#10)
#14. To: Don (#13)
"This post pretty well outlines the controls the lawyers have on society."
#15. To: misterwhite (#11)
Doesn't that descried the conduct of the striking players?
#16. To: Vicomte13 (#15)
(Edited)
"Perhaps, but they have millions of dollars that other people wa want to earn under their control, so giving them the stiff arm means losing to tons of money."
#17. To: misterwhite (#16)
(Edited)
I see. The college should give in because, hey, they only have to fire the president and chancellor. Gosh. That's not too bad. Play ball! ... Who the f**k is in charge here?
#18. To: Vicomte13, rlk (#9)
Every football game brings $5 million or so in revenue to a school of that size. That's coin enough to pay the salaries of 12 Wolfe's.
#19. To: Vicomte13, misterwhite (#15)
Also, if you give the football players the stiff arm, you are likely to create the move by college players all across the nation to UNIONIZE, which they have the right to do.
Court Strikes Down Payments to College Athletes
New York Times
SEPT. 30, 2015
#20. To: nolu chan (#18)
Couldn't they revoke the athletic scholarships for any "striking" player and field a team of anyone willing to suit up?
#21. To: nolu chan (#19)
The 9th Circuit Court just ruled recently that the football players do not have the right to unionize.
#22. To: Vicomte13 (#20)
#23. To: rlk (#22)
#24. To: Vicomte13 (#23)
they were able to be replaced by the "second string".
#25. To: Vicomte13 (#21)
The notion that the schools are going to "Hold the line" if the football and basketball players decide to unionize is ridiculous. Pro-ball tried to do that - hold the line - they failed.
#26. To: Vicomte13 (#20)
Collegiate athletes are not currently unionized, but they could be.
#27. To: misterwhite, Vicomte13 (#16)
I see. The college should give in because, hey, they only have to fire the president and chancellor. Gosh. That's not too bad. Play ball!
#28. To: nolu chan (#26)
#29. To: CZ82 (#27)
"They all need to be sent home to their mommas explaining why there will be no more new cars, clothes and houses from the boosters"
#30. To: Vicomte13 (#20)
"Athletes want to play. And they get benefits from it. But if you don't treat them square, they can strike, and when they do, they win because they are the only pieces of the equation that has what cannot be replaced."
#31. To: rlk (#24)
Do you know what is required to be a second string controller?
#32. To: misterwhite (#30)
The strike by some players of the Missouri football team had nothing to do with the way they were treated.
#33. To: nolu chan (#26)
They are not employees. That is why they cannot collectively bargain.
#34. To: nolu chan (#25)
#35. To: Vicomte13 (#32)
"and when they have the strength in various areas, they will will make the rules for themselves."
#36. To: misterwhite (#35)
Or does your silly rule only allow the players to f**k the university?
#37. To: Vicomte13 (#33)
If you wish to give a name other than "union" or "collective bargaining" to the de facto power that arises from a group having something other people need and are willing to bargain for, then by all means do so.
HISTORY AND MISSION
#38. To: Vicomte13 (#34)
I see that you are reflexively on the side of management, as one would expect from a typical Republican.
#39. To: Vicomte13 (#34)
#40. To: ebonytwix (#39)
Where do you get most of your information from?
#41. To: nolu chan (#38)
(Edited)
This is rather akin to an argument I once had with a person who knew precisely how to defeat the entire criminal justice system. Everyone just refuses to take any sort of a plea and all cases are taken to trial. The system would just bog down under its own weight (sort of like illegal immigrant deportation). The system would not have the ability to handle all those trials in any reasonable amount of time. The backlog would be endless. It's a positively brilliant plan, don'tcha think?
#42. To: Vicomte13 (#41)
[nolu chan] This is rather akin to an argument I once had with a person who knew precisely how to defeat the entire criminal justice system. Everyone just refuses to take any sort of a plea and all cases are taken to trial. The system would just bog down under its own weight (sort of like illegal immigrant deportation). The system would not have the ability to handle all those trials in any reasonable amount of time. The backlog would be endless. It's a positively brilliant plan, don'tcha think?
[Vicomte13] No, because the difference is that the athletes in this case just ousted a President and a Chancellor, so the demonstration of real power is very clear and unmistakeable.
The question is: what can that power shape itself into. And the answer you have is: it can't do anything because the law says.
The law will change to fit the power, if the power finds its footing and asserts itself.
[Vicomte13] I am getting bored with the argument, though, and am content to fade into the background on it and await developments.
[Vicomte13] Fact is, athlete power worked spectacularly at Mizzou, and therefore we will see more of it.
#43. To: nolu chan (#42)
What are the athletes going to do?
#44. To: Vicomte13 (#43)
Something opened an eye and discovered it is a thing. It's not going to go away, because it won a public battle, swiftly.
Football players get their bodies blasted left and right to entertain, and most don't get a lot out of it. The schools and sports broadcasters get rich out of proportion, but the injured players get a pittance.
2. Amateurism - All Sports.
#45. To: Vicomte13, ALL (#15)
Also, if you give the football players the stiff arm, you are likely to create the move by college players all across the nation to UNIONIZE, which they have the right to do.
#46. To: nolu chan (#44)
#47. To: GarySpFC (#45)
#48. To: Vicomte13 (#46)
#49. To: Don (#48)
#50. To: Vicomte13 (#15)
It is so much easier to just replace a squeaky wheel college president than to risk so much money on some sort of testosterone-driven crapshoot over nothing.
#51. To: Vicomte13 (#49)
#52. To: A K A Stone (#50)
Your morals are questionalbe.
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