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Title: Cops Now Stealing Your Stuff to ‘Protect You’ from People Who Might Steal Your Stuff
Source: Free Thought Project
URL Source: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/co ... rotect-thieves-stealing-stuff/
Published: Nov 4, 2015
Author: Matt Agorist
Post Date: 2015-11-04 11:27:54 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 523
Comments: 5

In a ridiculous move, ostensibly designed to protect citizens from theft, the New Haven police department has begun stealing things from innocent individuals.

Yes, you read that correctly.

The New Haven police department announced its plans this week to start stealing things from unsuspecting residents who leave their doors unlocked. If you are missing your valuables, it may not have been taken by a private thief, it could have been stolen by a public thief.

According to Lt. Herbert Sharp of the NHPD, police are now taking private property from unlocked cars and bringing it to the station. This, of course, is done so to “deter theft.”

Sharp assures the public that when his officers are opening the door to your property and removing your belongings, with no search warrant and no probable cause, that this is 100 percent legal. “It’s called a caretaker,” explains Sharp.

“When it comes to a car, if there is something in plain view that is of value, and the car is unlocked, law enforcement can go into the car and retrieve that item and take it into the property (room) and place it where it is safe,” Sharp told residents at the most recent meeting of the East Rock Management Team.

Sharp, whose intentions are no doubt ‘noble’ in purpose, says that this theft to prevent theft will do two things. “The bad guy is not going to break into the car and be able to take that item. It inconveniences the person to come down and pick up the property,” he said.

Sharp says this inconvenience is a ‘tough love’ approach to teach people a lesson by causing them undue stress in provisionally stealing their stuff. “Maybe next time they won’t leave their stuff in plain view,” Sharp said.

The New Haven Register reports,

Kevin McCarthy, a former chair of the management team, suggested a hypothetical where someone leaves a prescription in a bag in the car and then comes out to find it is gone.

Sharp said if a thief takes them, the victim can get a new prescription, but that medicine, depending on what it is, can quickly be sold on the street.

So because there is a chance that a thief may steal someone’s life-saving prescription medication, it is okay for cops to steal someone’s life-saving prescription medication. Seems legit. Hopefully, it’s not an asthmatic’s inhaler or an allergic child’s epinephrine injection.

“Not to sound harsh, but if you are a dumb (person) … and leave your computer in the car, you deserve to have it stolen. Don’t you guys have more important things to do?” a rational resident asked Sharp during a town meeting.

If the police were truly concerned with theft, they would stop stealing from their citizens by ending citations for victimless crimes like seat belt violations or window tint. However, despite lacking any evidence that police stealing the private property of individuals will deter crime, Sharp has begun the program – much to the chagrin of local residents.

How about I take the stuff that’s valuable out of the cops unlocked car and leave’m a note that says pick it up at my house ?? I wonder how that would play out ??? Just wondering ??? -says Facebook user Jim.

Cops can’t go inside cars regardless if your valuables are in plain sight. Since valuables isn’t illegal they would still need permission to search your car or open it. Having a cop take your valuables and making you go all the way to the station is no diffrent than a criminal doing it. -says Facebook user Will.

If someone leaves the car door unlocked and something “booby trapped” in the car (for example, an armed rat trap inside a purse) and a cop gets his hand in the trap — then what happens? Or if they take a purse from a car and a baggie of pot falls out? -points out Facebook user Deborah

What if an officer opens a door and smells a little marijuana? What do you think they would do then, shut the door and move on? What if the person has an expired inspection sticker? What if the person has bumper stickers that disagree with the officer’s personal beliefs?

The ‘what if’ scenarios of police stealing your items to protect you from thieves stealing your items are limitless.

If the history of police wasn’t rife with theft and a constantly expanding myriad of techniques to separate the citizen from their money, one may actually think that the New Haven police are actually doing some decent community outreach. Unfortunately, police departments nationwide have less than perfect track records when it comes to actually looking out for the wellbeing of the individual.

This theft to prevent theft system will most likely morph into one of the many novel ways police will violate our 4th Amendment rights in an attempt to collect more revenue.

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

" Cops Now Stealing Your Stuff to ‘Protect You’ from People Who Might Steal Your Stuff "

This is stupid!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

Stoner  posted on  2015-11-04   12:28:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Stoner (#1)

What if an officer opens a door and smells a little marijuana?

Just another pot article.

They either begin with pot, end with pot, or linked to pot.

The New Haven police are not stealing. The site is a bunk site.

"Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-11-05   1:45:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: redleghunter, Stoner (#2)

The New Haven police are not stealing. The site is a bunk site.

For once it is a legit story. Here is the story from a legit source, without the supermarket tabloid crap added.

http://www.nhregister.com/government-and-politics/20151101/cops-to-grab-unlocked-stuff-from-cars-in-east-rock-area-x2014-for-safekeeping

Cops to grab unlocked stuff from cars in East Rock area — for safekeeping

By Mary O’Leary
New Haven Register
Posted: 11/01/15, 7:18 PM EST | Updated: 2 days ago

NEW HAVEN

If your computer is missing from your unlocked car, it may not be an opportunistic thief who snatched it.

That important electronic device could be in the New Haven police property room, retrieved by your local walking beat officer.

Stymied as to what to do to get residents to take seriously repeated police warnings to lock their vehicles and not leave valuables in them, Lt. Herbert Sharp said they are going to try something new in his policing district.

Sharp, manager for the East Rock neighborhood, said confiscating goods that are invitations to thieves is one of the six exceptions in Connecticut law to the requirement for a search warrant.

“It’s called a caretaker,” he said of the initiative he wants to implement this month.

“When it comes to a car, if there is something in plain view that is of value, and the car is unlocked, law enforcement can go into the car and retrieve that item and take it into the property (room) and place it where it is safe,” Sharp told residents at the most recent meeting of the East Rock Management Team.

He said this is the time of year for increased car break-ins and packages stolen from porches. Sharp said they had eight car break-ins in East Rock in a week.

Sharp said they will run the plate number of the car to try to reach the owner. If they can’t, the police will take the property, lock the car door and leave a receipt informing them who has the item and what time to come and pick it up.

Sharp said this plan does two things.

“The bad guy is not going to break into the car and be able to take that item. It inconveniences the person to come down and pick up the property,” the lieutenant said.

That inconvenience is a kind of tough love approach that reinforces the safety message.

“Maybe next time they won’t leave their stuff in plain view,” Sharp said.

Kevin McCarthy, a former chair of the management team, suggested a hypothetical where someone leaves a prescription in a bag in the car and then comes out to find it is gone.

Sharp said if a thief takes them, the victim can get a new prescription, but that medicine, depending on what it is, can quickly be sold on the street.

He said generally speaking, you will not get stolen items back when you are a victim of a burglary.

It was suggested by a resident that “the odds of your guys (the police) taking the bags are higher than a burglar taking the bag.”

“That depends on the day, the time. It just depends,” Sharp said.

Sharp said the city didn’t want to put up signs warning people because it makes the neighborhood look bad.

The preventive messages fall on deaf ears given the large number of transient students who move into the area for a short period of time, he said.

He said dealing with the break-ins requires getting people’s attention.

“That behavior, either we are going to allow it or we are going to do something proactively,” Sharp reasoned.

The district manager said East Rock is a walkable community. A burglar can just fit in, carrying a backpack with stolen items. Now that it gets dark earlier, it is easier to get away with this type of crime.

He said thieves have “window punchers,” a metal pen they use to pop the window, reach in and grab what’s inside.

Dick Lyons, a former alder, suggested the Yale police send out messages warning students they are the primary victims.

“How you get the message out there, it’s an intriguing idea. I’m not betting the farm that it’s perfect,” Lyons said of Sharp’s idea.

The police lieutenant said he would measure to see if there is a drop in these kinds of break-ins after the policy is in place.

Another resident was more direct.

“Not to sound harsh, but if you are a dumb (person) ... and leave your computer in the car, you deserve to have it stolen. Don’t you guys have more important things to do?” she asked the lieutenant.

In Sharp’s view, you want to stem these easy thefts because when someone gets away with it, it encourages them to advance to burglaries, robberies and then homicides.

“What you have to do is look at those lower crimes,” Sharp said. “Individuals who commit those crimes will always statistically commit more heinous crimes. ... We have to at least address it. It’s a billion-dollar industry,” he said of break-ins with a loss of electronic equipment.

He said the problem of car break-ins has been a two-decade problem in East Rock.

If the neighborhood wants to ditch his plan after it goes into effect for two months, Sharp said, he would drop it.

The proposal will be spread through a listserv for the 19th Ward and through block watch groups.

To further protect your electronic devices and other things, such as bicycles, Sharp recommended that residents take a photo of the identifying number and save it.

Police regularly check pawn shops for goods and the ID number could match the owner to the stolen goods. That number would be given to the officer making out the burglary report.

If there is a GPS capability on a computer, he said they could activate it, particularly if a resident has important documents on it.

One woman thought it would backfire on the police and engender ill will.

“I think anything we are going to do is going to be difficult. I think that we need to make an effort to resolve this issue instead of saying to ourselves we have become accustomed to something ... and it’s OK. It’s not OK ... We’ll see how it works. If it doesn’t work and the stats don’t come down ... then we move onto something else,” Sharp said.

From the Comments:

NoNonsense • 3 days ago

I think this is a huge stretch of the law and, personally, I'd consider their proposed action illegal. The "caretaker function" pertains to "found or abandoned property" (which the officer can take possession of until the owner can be determined), not stuff left in an unlocked car (unless, I suppose, they determine that the car itself is abandoned, in which case they should impound the car). If the police haven't sought a legal opinion from the city's attorneys on this, I think they should do so before taking anything from any car. I doubt they would get the go-ahead. And why do they want to save stupid people from their own stupidity?

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Faithful Sentinel Kevin • 10 hours ago

What happens when the police take somebody's medication and that medication is required for survival, say for instance... Insulin? A lot of good it will do knowing the insulin is at the property room while the person falls into a diabetic coma.

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BruceMacMahon • 3 days ago

How'd you like to be the guy who couldn't give his presentation at that 8:00 AM meeting to land that $40 million contract, because some [CENSORED] cop took the bag containing his flash drive he inadvertently left in his car.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-11-05   3:28:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: redleghunter, Stoner (#2)

There is such a thing as the community caretaker function. What they state they intend to do does not appear to be it.

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/searching-pursuant-the-community-caretaking-exception.html

Caring for the Community

There are a number of lesser known exceptions to the warrant requirement. One of these, the "community caretaking" exception, applies when police find evidence of a crime while acting to protect the public from a potentially dangerous situation. Even if officers have obtained evidence through a warrantless search, it can be admissible in court under the community caretaking exception—that’s because the police were acting as community caretakers (not law enforcement) when they found the evidence.

For example, take a situation involving a car idling on the side of the highway with an unconscious person behind the wheel. If police go into the car to see if the driver is okay, they are acting in a community caretaking capacity. If they find stolen property on the passenger seat while checking on the driver, a court could admit this evidence in a subsequent prosecution of the driver: Even though the officers found the property without a warrant, they were acting as community caretakers, not investigators.

Origins of the Exception

The community caretaking exception comes from two United States Supreme Court cases, both of which dealt with searches of impounded cars. (Cady v. Dombrowski, 413 U.S. 433 (1973) and South Dakota v. Opperman, 428 U.S. 364 (1976).) In these decisions, the Supreme Court upheld warrantless car searches where officers were acting as community caretakers: Cady involved a gun found in the trunk of a car after an accident; Opperman involved drugs found in an abandoned car about to be impounded. Among the reasons for the decisions was the lesser degree of privacy people have in their cars than they do in their homes.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-11-05   3:29:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: nolu chan (#3)

BruceMacMahon • 3 days ago

How'd you like to be the guy who couldn't give his presentation at that 8:00 AM meeting to land that $40 million contract, because some [CENSORED] cop took the bag containing his flash drive he inadvertently left in his car.

Lock the car. Problem solved.

"Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-11-05   16:25:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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