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Title: How Do You Prepare a Child for Life in the American Police State?
Source: Activist Post/The Rutherford Institute
URL Source: http://www.activistpost.com/2015/10 ... the-american-police-state.html
Published: Oct 14, 2015
Author: John Whitehead
Post Date: 2015-10-14 10:10:36 by Deckard
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Views: 6055
Comments: 49

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By John W. Whitehead

“Fear isn’t so difficult to understand. After all, weren’t we all frightened as children? Nothing has changed since Little Red Riding Hood faced the big bad wolf. What frightens us today is exactly the same sort of thing that frightened us yesterday. It’s just a different wolf.” ― Alfred Hitchcock

In an age dominated with news of school shootings, school lockdowns, police shootings of unarmed citizens (including children), SWAT team raids gone awry (leaving children devastated and damaged), reports of school resource officers tasering and shackling unruly students, and public schools undergoing lockdowns and active drills, I find myself wrestling with the question: how do you prepare a child for life in the American police state?

Every parent lives with a fear of the dangers that prey on young children: the predators who lurk at bus stops and playgrounds, the traffickers who make a living by selling young bodies, the peddlers who push drugs that ensnare and addict, the gangs that deal in violence and bullets, the drunk drivers, the school bullies, the madmen with guns, the diseases that can end a life before it’s truly begun, the cynicism of a modern age that can tarnish innocence, and the greed of a corporate age that makes its living by trading on young consumers.

It’s difficult enough raising a child in a world ravaged by war, disease, poverty and hate, but when you add the police state into the mix—with its battlefield mindset, weaponry, rigidity, surveillance, fascism, indoctrination, violence, etc.—it becomes near impossible to guard against the toxic stress of police shootings, SWAT team raids, students being tasered and shackled, lockdown drills, and a growing unease that some of the monsters of our age come dressed in government uniforms.

Children are taught from an early age that there are consequences for their actions. Hurt somebody, lie, steal, cheat, etc., and you will get punished. But how do you explain to a child that a police officer can shoot someone who was doing nothing wrong and get away with it? That a cop can lie, steal, cheat, or kill and still not be punished?

Kids understand accidents: sometimes drinks get spilled, dishes get broken, people slip and fall and hurt themselves, or you bump into someone without meaning to, and they get hurt. As long as it wasn’t intentional and done with malice, you forgive them and you move on. Police shootings of unarmed people—of children and old people and disabled people—can’t just be shrugged off as accidents, however.

Tamir Rice was no accident. Cleveland police shot and killed the 12-year-old, who was seen playing on a playground with a pellet gun. Surveillance footage shows police shooting the boy two seconds after getting out of a moving patrol car. Incredibly, the shooting was deemed “reasonable” and “justified” by two law enforcement experts who concluded that the police use of force “did not violate Tamir’s constitutional rights.”

Aiyana Jones was also no accident. The 7-year-old was killed after a Detroit SWAT team launched a flash-bang grenade into her family’s apartment, broke through the door and opened fire, hitting the little girl who was asleep on the living room couch. The cops weren’t even in the right apartment. Ironically, on the same day that President Obama refused to stop equipping police with the very same kinds of military weapons and gear used to raid Aiyana’s home, it was reported that the police officer who shot and killed the little girl would not face involuntary manslaughter charges.

Obama insists that $263 million to purchase body cameras for police will prevent any further erosions of trust, but a body camera would not have prevented Aiyana from being shot in the head. Indeed, the entire sorry affair was captured on camera: a TV crew was filming the raid for an episode of The First 48, a true-crime reality show in which homicide detectives have 48 hours to crack a case.

While that $263 million will make Taser International, the manufacturer of the body cameras, a whole lot richer, it’s doubtful it would have prevented a SWAT team from shooting 14-month-old Sincere in the shoulder and hand and killing his mother.

No body camera could have stopped a Georgia SWAT team from launching a flash-bang grenade into the house in which Baby Bou Bou, his three sisters and his parents were staying. The grenade landed in the 2-year-old’s crib, burning a hole in his chest and leaving him with scarring that a lifetime of surgeries will not be able to easily undo.

No body camera could have prevented 10-year-old Dakota Corbitt from being shot by a Georgia police officer who tried to shoot an inquisitive dog, missed, and hit the young boy, instead.

When police shot 4-year-old Ava Ellis in the leg, shattering the bone, it actually was an accident, but it was an accident that could have been prevented. Police reported to Ava’s house after being told that Ava’s mother, who had cut her arm, was in need of a paramedic. Cops claimed that the family pet charged the officer who was approaching the house, causing him to fire his gun and hit the little girl.

Alberto Sepulveda, 11, died from one “accidental” shotgun round to the back, after a SWAT team raided his parents’ home. Thirteen-year-old Andy Lopez Cruz was shot 7 times in 10 seconds by a California police officer who mistook the boy’s toy gun for an assault rifle. Christopher Roupe, 17, was shot and killed after opening the door to a police officer. The officer, mistaking the Wii remote control in Roupe’s hand for a gun, shot him in the chest.

These children are more than grim statistics on a police blotter. They are the heartbreaking casualties of the government’s endless, deadly wars on terror, on drugs, and on the American people themselves.

Not even the children who survive their encounters with police escape unscathed. Increasingly, their lives are daily lessons in compliance and terror, meted out with every SWAT team raid, roadside strip search, and school drill.

Who is calculating the damage being done to the young people forced to watch as their homes are trashed and their dogs are shot during SWAT team raids? A Minnesota SWAT team actually burst into one family’s house, shot the family’s dog, handcuffed the children and forced them to “sit next to the carcass of their dead and bloody pet for more than an hour.” They later claimed it was the wrong house.

More than 80% of American communities have their own SWAT teams, with more than 80,000 of these paramilitary raids are carried out every year. That translates to more than 200 SWAT team raids every day in which police crash through doors, damage private property, terrorize adults and children alike, kill family pets, assault or shoot anyone that is perceived as threatening—and all in the pursuit of someone merely suspected of a crime, usually some small amount of drugs.

What are we to tell our nation’s children about the role of police in their lives? Do you parrot the government line that police officers are community helpers who are to be trusted and obeyed at all times? Do you caution them to steer clear of a police officer, warning them that any interactions could have disastrous consequences? Or is there some happy medium between the two that, while being neither fairy tale nor horror story, can serve as a cautionary tale for young people who will encounter police at virtually every turn?

No matter what you say, there can be no avoiding the hands-on lessons being taught in the schools about the role of police in our lives, ranging from active shooter drills and school-wide lockdowns to incidents in which children engaging in typically childlike behavior are suspended (for shooting an imaginary “arrow” at a fellow classmate), handcuffed (for being disruptive at school), arrested (for throwing water balloons as part of a school prank), and even tasered (for not obeying instructions).

For example, a middle school in Washington State went on lockdown after a student brought a toy gun to class. A Boston high school went into lockdown for four hours after a bullet was discovered in a classroom. A North Carolina elementary school locked down and called in police after a fifth grader reported seeing an unfamiliar man in the school (it turned out to be a parent).

Better safe than sorry is the rationale offered to those who worry that these drills are terrorizing and traumatizing young children. As journalist Dahlia Lithwick points out: “I don’t recall any serious national public dialogue about lockdown protocols or how they became the norm. It seems simply to have begun, modeling itself on the lockdowns that occur during prison riots, and then spread until school lockdowns and lockdown drills are as common for our children as fire drills, and as routine as duck-and-cover drills were in the 1950s.”

These drills have, indeed, become routine.

As the New York Times reports: “Most states have passed laws requiring schools to devise safety plans, and several states, including Michigan, Kentucky and North Dakota, specifically require lockdown drills. Some drills are as simple as a principal making an announcement and students sitting quietly in a darkened classroom. At other schools, police officers and school officials playact a shooting, stalking through the halls like gunmen and testing whether doors have been locked.”

Police officers at a Florida middle school carried out an active shooter drill in an effort to educate students about how to respond in the event of an actual shooting crisis. Two armed officers, guns loaded and drawn, burst into classrooms, terrorizing the students and placing the school into lockdown mode.

What is particularly chilling is how effective these lessons in compliance are in indoctrinating young people to accept their role in the police state, either as criminals or prison guards. If these exercises are intended to instill fear and compliance into young people, they’re working.

Sociologist Alice Goffman understands how far-reaching the impact of such “exercises” can be on young people. For six years, Goffman lived in a low-income urban neighborhood, documenting the impact such an environment—a microcosm of the police state—on its residents. Her account of neighborhood children playing cops and robbers speaks volumes about how constant exposure to pat downs, strip searches, surveillance and arrests can result in a populace that meekly allows itself to be prodded, poked and stripped.

As journalist Malcolm Gladwell writing for the New Yorker reports:

Goffman sometimes saw young children playing the age-old game of cops and robbers in the street, only the child acting the part of the robber wouldn’t even bother to run away: I saw children give up running and simply stick their hands behind their back, as if in handcuffs; push their body up against a car without being asked; or lie flat on the ground and put their hands over their head. The children yelled, “I’m going to lock you up! I’m going to lock you up, and you ain’t never coming home!” I once saw a six-year-old pull another child’s pants down to do a “cavity search.”

Clearly, our children are getting the message, but it’s not the message that was intended by those who fomented a revolution and wrote our founding documents. Their philosophy was that the police work for us, and “we the people” are the masters, and they are to be our servants. Now that has been turned on its head, fueled by our fears (some legitimate, some hyped along by the government and its media mouthpieces) about the terrors and terrorists that lurk among us.

It’s getting harder by the day to tell young people that we live in a nation that values freedom and which is governed by the rule of law without feeling like a teller of tall tales. Yet as I point out in my book Battlefield America: The War on the American People, unless something changes and soon for the young people growing up, there will be nothing left of freedom as we have known it but a fairy tale without a happy ending.

Constitutional attorney and author John W. Whitehead is founder and president of The Rutherford Institute, where this article first appeared. (3 images)

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#10. To: misterwhite (#8)

Those were mistakes.

is that what you call them?

CRIMINAL mistakes that the cops were NEVER held accountable for.

All in the name of your glorious war on drugs.

you drug warriors are scum.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-10-14   11:51:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Deckard (#10)

"CRIMINAL mistakes that the cops were NEVER held accountable for."

Nope. Just mistakes.

There are 1.5 million drug arrests each year. You cited 11 mistakes over a period of 8 years. Hardly significant.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-10-14   12:01:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: misterwhite (#11)

Just mistakes

Can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, right?

Good grief, you and your ilk are so pathetic.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-10-14   12:38:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: hondo68, Deckard (#5) (Edited)

What if instead of a fictional whitebread "Wolverines" from a movie it is the Black Panthers, Black Muslims, American born Jihadis in the American mountains practicing?

Pericles  posted on  2015-10-14   12:40:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: misterwhite (#3) (Edited)

Most Americans have not traveled much - their ignorance is bliss. I have been to many countries. I recall once going to such a police state with actual armed tanks at the airport and with a child and she started to cry - she was like 5 or 7 and seeing combat armed troops going through her dollies - ripping the heads off to see inside cavities of the dolls - while looking pissed all the time - just made her cry in fear. And the look the military guys gave was "shut the baby up or we will bayonet her". They didn't of course - just the look.

And in that country - those bastards were the good guys.

Pericles  posted on  2015-10-14   12:44:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Deckard (#0)

You don't have to worry about bringing up your child. The state has happily relieved you of that responsibility.

Psalm 37

Don  posted on  2015-10-14   12:55:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Pericles, race pimp, cracka (#13)

What if instead of a fictional whitebread "Wolverines" from a movie it is the Black Panthers, Black Muslims

That just proves that you're a cracka for trying to pit races against each other.

Not working.


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-10-14   14:02:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Pericles (#14)

Most Americans have not traveled much

You could say that about everyone in the world. 99% of the people never travel more than a 100 miles from were they were born. Why is everyone bitching about Americans not being "cultured"[keyword for progressives meaning not open to new things] when I see other nations just as bad if not worse?

Justified  posted on  2015-10-14   14:38:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: misterwhite, Pericles (#3)

The wife and I were in Quito, Equador a few years back. Local law enforcement IS the National Police. We're talking troops on every corner armed with machine guns. Museums and other public buildings crawling with armed troops. Every store owner had a private armed guard. We took a taxi to a restaurant and our car door was opened by a doorman carrying a shotgun over his shoulder.

So how do you prepare your kids to live in a police state?

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-10-14   19:41:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Deckard (#0)

Conventional military tactics first,and then guerrilla warfare.

You might want to go ahead and buy several copies of Sun Tzu's "The Art of War" right now while you still can to give your current young children and any future children you might have,because that book is also going to disappear.

Go to gun shows and pay cash for any US Army or USMC field manual you can buy. Even multiple copies so you can give them to friends or sell them for a profit later on.

NEVER use a credit card,debit card,or a check to pay for anything like that. Buy it all face to face,and pay cash.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-14   19:46:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Deckard (#0)

How Do You Prepare a Child for Life in the American Police State?

Get him started on marijuanna. With that, he'll be able to adapt to anything.

rlk  posted on  2015-10-14   19:48:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: misterwhite (#11)

There are 1.5 million drug arrests each year.

Damn good thing too,or all the kids today would be dying off from drug overdoses like all the hippies and musicians from the 60's,huh.

It was only the clean-living drug free musicians like Keef Richards,Mick Jagger,Duane Allman,Eric Clapton,and Gracie Slick that survived.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-14   19:51:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Pericles (#13)

What if instead of a fictional whitebread "Wolverines" from a movie it is the Black Panthers, Black Muslims, American born Jihadis in the American mountains practicing?

Cool! I'm all for it!

Half the problem would be solved because they would get lost,start starving,and then eat each other.

Works for me.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-14   19:53:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: SOSO, Pericles (#18)

So how do you prepare your kids to live in a police state?

He prepares HIS children by taking them to one and explaining about what a wonderful way it is to live,and how everybody should be lucky enough to live in a police state.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-14   19:55:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: SOSO, sneakypete (#23)

Depends. When Ronnie Reagan as gov saw black panthers openly carry (legally) during some govt session (also legally) he could not pass gun regulations fast enough. So it depends on what side of the police state you are on.

Pericles  posted on  2015-10-15   2:25:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Pericles (#24)

When Ronnie Reagan as gov saw black panthers openly carry (legally) during some govt session (also legally) he could not pass gun regulations fast enough.

They were screaming about armed revolution,"kill the honkies",and wanting to carry loaded guns into courtrooms where other Black Pussies were on trial.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-15   6:01:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Deckard (#0)

You teach them what parents in European, Asian, South American and African countries have always taught their kids: the government is corrupt and operates for the benefit of the oligarchs, which you are not. Behind every great fortune is a great crime, and the people at the top of the society are criminals who got there through corruption, theft and connection to the government.

When you are dealing with the authorities, you can expect to be treated badly - to wait in long lines. You can expect civil servants to be lazy, incompetent and uncaring. You can expect the courts to be corrupt, and the police to be violent.

The government is not your friend, so have as few dealings with it is as necessary, and never give it more than lip service loyalty.

Learn a foreign language and be prepared to move. Don't become so attached to some place that you cannot leave it, because those who cannot get out when things go bad, die badly.

Do not make a fetish out of lawkeeping - that is for fascists.

Keep your head down and remember: family before country, family before law, family before anything else.

That's how the world has always worked, and it is how America works too.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-10-15   6:28:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: sneakypete, Pericles (#22)

The problem with that is it wouldn't be many of them, most of them are spoiled silly from being on generational government subsistence. 99% of them wouldn't stray more than 10 miles from the nearest crack ho/welfare mommas bed, and then that would only be to go to the store for food/alcohol or score some drugs...

Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!

CZ82  posted on  2015-10-15   6:30:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Vicomte13 (#26)

Behind every great fortune is a great crime,

You sound like a communist. Not a christian.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-10-15   6:40:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Vicomte13 (#26) (Edited)

Behind every great fortune is a great crime,

Jesus warned about false prophets and those who say they come in his name but are wolves in sheeps clothing.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-10-15   6:41:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Vicomte13 (#26)

Behind every great fortune is a great crime,

What is the so called Catholic Church's great crime? Or were there many great crimes since they have a "great fortune".

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-10-15   6:47:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Vicomte13 (#26)

family before country, family before law, family before anything else.

Well you're right on that one my friend.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-10-15   6:48:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: A K A Stone (#31)

family before country, family before law, family before anything else.

Well you're right on that one my friend.

If you truly believe that,you are a part of the problem,not the solution.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-15   7:58:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: sneakypete (#25)

When Ronnie Reagan as gov saw black panthers openly carry (legally) during some govt session (also legally) he could not pass gun regulations fast enough.

They were screaming about armed revolution,"kill the honkies",and wanting to carry loaded guns into courtrooms where other Black Pussies were on trial.

No, they were not.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/09/the-secret-history-of-guns/308608/

The Secret History of Guns

The Ku Klux Klan, Ronald Reagan, and, for most of its history, the NRA all worked to control guns. The Founding Fathers? They required gun ownership—and regulated it. And no group has more fiercely advocated the right to bear loaded weapons in public than the Black Panthers—the true pioneers of the modern pro-gun movement. In the battle over gun rights in America, both sides have distorted history and the law, and there’s no resolution in sight.

Pericles  posted on  2015-10-15   9:24:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: SOSO (#18)

"So how do you prepare your kids to live in a police state?"

Do you still beat your wife?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-10-15   9:54:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: misterwhite (#34)

"So how do you prepare your kids to live in a police state?"

Do you still beat your wife?

Ask a moron a question and you get a moron answer.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-10-15   10:47:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: SOSO (#35)

Ask a moron a question and you get a moron answer.

I believe the phrase is, "Ask a moronic, irrelevant, and ignorant question and don't be surprised to get a similar one in return."

Something like that.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-10-15   10:55:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: A K A Stone (#28) (Edited)

You sound like a communist. Not a christian.

I don’t sound like a Communist. I sound like a Christian. It is you who sounds like a money worshipper.

You consider yourself to be a Christian, but you don't sound like one. Consider what the Lord Jesus said about wealth and the rich:

“How hard it will be for those who have riches to enter the kingdom of God!" (Mk 10:23)

“It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” (Mk 10:25)

And Jesus said to his disciples, "Truly, I say to you, it will be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” (Mt 19:23-24)

Jesus looking at him said, "How hard it is for those who have riches to enter the kingdom of God! For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." (Lk: 18:24-25)

And as he was setting out on his journey, a man ran up and knelt before him, and asked him, "Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?" (Mk 10:17)

Jesus replied: “You know the commandments: 'Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.'" "Teacher, all these I have observed from my youth." And Jesus looking upon him loved him, and said to him, "You lack one thing; go, sell what you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me." At that saying his countenance fell, and he went away sorrowful; for he had great possessions. And Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, "How hard it will be for those who have riches to enter the kingdom of God!" (Mk 10: 19-23)

And Jesus again, to his disciples: “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." (Mk 10:25)

"No one can serve two masters. For you will hate one and love the other, or be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money." (Lk 16:13)

"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." (Mt 6:19-21)

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-10-15   14:32:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: A K A Stone (#29) (Edited)

Jesus warned about false prophets and those who say they come in his name but are wolves in sheeps clothing.

He certainly did. And there you are, standing up for money power, for wealth, for the rich.

But Jesus preached woe unto the rich but blessings for the poor:

“Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God. Blessed are you who hunger now, for you will be satisfied. Blessed are you who weep now, for you will laugh. Blessed are you when people hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man. Rejoice in that day and leap for joy, because great is your reward in heaven. For that is how their ancestors treated the prophets.

But woe to you who are rich, for you have already received your comfort. Woe to you who are well fed now, for you will go hungry. Woe to you who laugh now, for you will mourn and weep." (Lk 6:20-25)

And the Apostle John agrees with Jesus:

If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? (1 John 3:17)

Paul also agrees with Jesus:

"Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life." (1 Timothy 6:17- 19)

James agrees with Jesus:

"Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter. You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you." (James 5:1-6)

The Apostles and early apostolic church collectively agreed with Jesus:

"And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, Praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved." (Acts 2:44-47)

So why don't you agree with Jesus, and James, and John, and Paul, and the early Christians?

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-10-15   15:10:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Vicomte13 (#37)

easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God

So it is easier but not impossible.

Paraphrasing what you said. You said something like all riches have a crime behind them.

That isn't true.

Also you never answered what the crime of the Catholic chruch was that allowed them to ammass so much money. Or maybe multiple crimes.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-10-15   15:54:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: A K A Stone (#39)

Also you never answered what the crime of the Catholic chruch was that allowed them to ammass so much money. Or maybe multiple crimes.

The Catholic Church erred by becoming authoritarian and politically focused instead of focused on God, and focused on buildings and properties instead of its proper mission. This led, in turn, to violence and horror, perpetrated in the name of Christ.

These sins are quite horrible. When the Protestants broke away, they changed some doctrines but they maintained the evil Catholic example of violence and oppression "in the name of God".

Those are the great crimes that made the Catholic Church into a violent worldly empire, to the detriment of faith.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-10-15   16:30:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: A K A Stone (#39)

So it is easier but not impossible.

Sure. And Jesus said how: stop accumulating wealth. Mobilize it to help the needy brothers and sisters all around. Stop being proud. Stop trusting in wealth.

It's not possible to enter the Kingdom of Heaven if one is focused on storing up riches. One can generate vast riches through talent and application, but one has to then SPEND that wealth helping others, not store it up.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-10-15   16:32:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: A K A Stone (#39)

Paraphrasing what you said. You said something like all riches have a crime behind them.

That isn't true.

I said "Behind every great fortune is a great crime."

I'm thinking of the great fortunes amassed in the 18th, 19th and 20th Centuries, and I can't find one example that did not rely on crony capitalism, manipulation of lawmaking through corrupt government to crush out the hopes of others through law in order to seize their markets, of theft and outright slavery.

It's a pretty sorry record.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-10-15   16:34:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Pericles (#33)

What color is the sky on your home planet,comrade?

Just to educate you a LITTLE,it was the DIMS that wanted the blacks disarmed,and it was the DIMS that kept them from voting.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-15   20:01:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Vicomte13 (#41)

Sure. And Jesus said how: stop accumulating wealth.

That isn't true.

Jesus said to put your faith in him.

If you stop accumulating wealth, that will not get you into heaven.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-10-16   8:13:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: A K A Stone (#44)

That isn't true.

Jesus said to put your faith in him.

If you stop accumulating wealth, that will not get you into heaven.

It is true. Jesus said you have to follow him, and that means doing what he said. And one of the things he said is "Don't store up wealth".

Why not?

He gave reasons. The Old Testament does too.

Spiritually, the obsession with storing up wealth is to "be safe", which is a lack of trust in God.

Materially, when wealth is stored up, it isn't being used to relieve the suffering of our brothers and sisters. The man who stores up wealth could instead loan it to his fellow Christians to relieve their burdens and free them from their bonds.

Don't store wealth, mobilize it, to free your fellow Christians.

'What good does it do you to say you follow me if you don't keep my commandments?' - Jesus

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-10-16   8:31:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Vicomte13 (#45)

I don't see any scripture in your post.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-10-16   8:43:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: A K A Stone (#46)

I don't see any scripture in your post.

I've never seen any scripture in yours either.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-10-16   8:45:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: sneakypete (#43)

Reagan was a Republican when he passed he gun restricted.

Pericles  posted on  2015-10-18   0:41:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Pericles (#48)

Reagan was a Republican when he passed he gun restricted.

That compares to the Dim gun laws like a drop of water compares to the Pacific Ocean.

Do you have ANY common sense at all?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-18   7:24:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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