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Title: Recent Studies Show That Psychedelic Drugs Are Not Bad For Mental Health — But Alcohol Is
Source: Free Thought Project
URL Source: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/st ... ugs-bad-mental-health-alcohol/
Published: Oct 10, 2015
Author: John Vibes
Post Date: 2015-10-10 12:16:27 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 31993
Comments: 116

It is a matter of provable fact that psychedelics are the safest compounds within the modern drug culture. The strongest hallucinogen known to man dimethyltryptamine is actually less damaging to the human body than America’s favorite fix, caffeine.

Many substances that are deeply embedded in American culture such as alcohol, caffeine, nicotine or pharmaceutical narcotics are in fact toxins, while psychedelic compounds are actually physically benign and many times already occur naturally in human chemistry. What this means is that the chemicals which make psychedelics do what they do are actually naturally occurring compounds that are chemically suited for your body.

Study after study confirms the safety and natural composition of these substances, yet psychedelics are vilified in our media, politics and other cultural institutions. This massive public smear campaign exists because the establishment fears the impact that psychedelics would have on their control structure.

You see, these drugs are not dangerous to the individual or the community, but they make us seek our own answers about the world around us, instead of swallowing the line of garbage that we have been fed by the establishment.

Psychedelics will break down the personal ego and cultural barriers that our society has corrupted us with and will make negative cultural norms such as war, poverty and oppression seem completely insane. This kind of social clarity could be very dangerous for the establishment and their control system, which is why they insist that these substances are bad and cannot be introduced into society.

A recent study conducted by the Research Council of Norway has found that psychedelics do not have any long-term negative effects on mental health.

According to the study:

A recent large population study of 130,000 adults in the United States failed to find evidence for a link between psychedelic use (lysergic acid diethylamide, psilocybin or mescaline) and mental health problems. Using a new data set consisting of 135,095 randomly selected United States adults, including 19,299 psychedelic users, we examine the associations between psychedelic use and mental health.

After adjusting for sociodemographics, other drug use and childhood depression, we found no significant associations between lifetime use of psychedelics and increased likelihood of past year serious psychological distress, mental health treatment, suicidal thoughts, suicidal plans and suicide attempt, depression and anxiety.

We failed to find evidence that psychedelic use is an independent risk factor for mental health problems. Psychedelics are not known to harm the brain or other body organs or to cause addiction or compulsive use; serious adverse events involving psychedelics are extremely rare. Overall, it is difficult to see how prohibition of psychedelics can be justified as a public health measure.

The study went on to point out that, “drug abuse experts consistently rank LSD and/or psilocybin mushrooms as much less harmful to the individual user and to society compared to alcohol and other controlled substances.”

Another study published in 2010 linked alcohol abuse to suicide and depression.

The government isn’t against all drugs, they shove drugs down your throat every day through your food, alcohol, and prescriptions. What the government is against is people thinking about the world differently and questioning the authority that they have been trained to live under.

Psychedelics can catalyze this thought process, and it is for this reason that the American government took quick action to make these substances illegal and to vilify them in the public arena.

These psychedelic compounds are so important that we cannot let them be suppressed in the extreme manner that we see in western culture. Psychedelics offer us a glimpse into the final frontier of humanity, the consciousness. With these substances, we can explore the human imagination for profound insight that will help us in our own personal lives and the bigger picture as well. We must push for new legitimate scientific research into the therapeutic uses for these drugs. These studies will prove, as they have in the past, that psychedelic compounds have many medical and spiritual uses that are necessary for our species to continue the evolution of our consciousness.


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#54. To: GrandIsland (#52)

PLATFORMS

So, you almost can see you've been duped. I guess it's too difficult for you to admit you are naive.

So if this doesn't have anything to do with the topic, why did YOU bring it up?

The OP was about a flawed study, yet you have talked about everything else BUT the study.

Fool, follow your own advice and stick to the topic if you are gonna be such a rage filled asshole.

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-10-11   14:09:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: tpaine (#53)

Far from riding coattails, libertarians are gaining real power in the GOP, replacing RINO phonies like you two. -- Which scares the hell out of pissed off clowns.

Why they spend more time thrashing libertarians than democrats.

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-10-11   14:10:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: tpaine (#53)

And true enough, fake conservatives and rinos have never had anti-drug platforms.

Then fuck off, you aren't part of the CLUB.... and since drug legalization is more of a libtard Democrat platform staple, JOIN THEM. The conservatives have already moved left far enough... we don't need to add legalized drugs to the conservative platform.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-10-11   14:11:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: GrandIsland (#56)

The democrat party has no such platform.

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-10-11   14:21:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: GrandIsland (#56)

--- true enough, fake conservatives and rinos have never had anti-drug platforms.

But even you must admit, republican conservatives fought long and hard against booze prohibition, and failed, because they had phony backstabbers like you two, even back then...

Then fuck off, you aren't part of the CLUB.... and since drug legalization is more of a libtard Democrat platform staple, JOIN THEM.

No thanks, I'm not in the socialistic closet, like you two..

The conservatives have already moved left far enough... we don't need to add legalized drugs to the conservative platform.

We need to return to pre-prohibition sanity about mind altering substances. -- Using them is a personal freedom, and prohibitions are infringements on freedom.

But discussing sanity with you is hopeless.

tpaine  posted on  2015-10-11   14:27:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: GrandIsland, tpaine (#56) (Edited)

....we don't need to add legalized drugs to the conservative platform.

Wait a minute - aren't conservatives supposed to be in favor of LIMITED government and personal responsibility?

How is waging an unconstitutional drug war that is a trillion-dollar failure considered to be a conservative position?

As far as personal responsibility, why is it that "conservatives" who want the government to stay out of the way and allow people to make their own choices in any other areas become authortiarians when a free American chooses to make his own decisions about the use of drugs?

Does the government own you GI?

Does the government own your body and have the authority to tell you what substances you may partake of?

The Conservative Case For Legalizing Marijuana

Conservatives pride themselves on resisting change, which is as it should be. But intelligent deference to tradition and stability can evolve into intellectual sloth and moral fanaticism, as when conservatives simply decline to look up from dogma because the effort to raise their heads and reconsider is too great.

The laws aren’t exactly indefensible, because practically nothing is, and the thunderers who tell us to stay the course can always find one man or woman who, having taken marijuana, moved on to severe mental disorder. But that argument, to quote myself, is on the order of saying that every rapist began by masturbating. General rules based on individual victims are unwise.

And although there is a perfectly respectable case against using marijuana, the penalties imposed on those who reject that case, or who give way to weakness of resolution, are very difficult to defend. If all our laws were paradigmatic, imagine what we would do to anyone caught lighting a cigarette, or drinking a beer. Or — exulting in life in the paradigm — committing adultery. Send them all to Guantanamo?

Legal practices should be informed by realities. These are enlightening, in the matter of marijuana. There are approximately 700,000 marijuana-related arrests made very year. Most of these — 87 percent — involve nothing more than mere possession of small amounts of marijuana. This exercise in scrupulosity costs us $10-15 billion per year in direct expenditures alone.

Most transgressors caught using marijuana aren’t packed away to jail, but some are, and in Alabama, if you are convicted three times of marijuana possession, they’ll lock you up for 15 years to life. Professor Ethan Nadelmann, of the Drug Policy Alliance, writing in National Review, estimates at 100,000 the number of Americans currently behind bars for one or another marijuana offense.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-10-11   15:15:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Deckard (#59)

How is waging an unconstitutional drug war that is a trillion-dollar failure considered to be a conservative position?

Drug laws aren't unconstitutional, dummy.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-10-11   15:26:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: GrandIsland (#60)

Drug laws aren't unconstitutional, dummy.

The war on drugs is.

Ten Ways the War On Drugs Violates the U.S. Constitution

The War on Drugs is an enemy to the rights and privacy of U.S. citizens everywhere. And this war not only targets guilty drug users or traffickers; it is also waged against innocent Americans who may think they are safe from draconian drug war policies.

This belief is a myth, and here's why: even if you don’t use marijuana, cocaine, pop pills or inject heroin—the drug war can still target you as a suspect. It doesn't matter if you're at work, picking up mail, applying for a job or even purchasing cold medicine at drug stores like CVS or Walgreens, the drug war has boldly established a 24-7 disturbing presence in the lives of American citizens.

The drug war is also responsible for the past and present illegal surveillance of people's cars and property and even plays a vital role in collecting information through illegal spying. The government's drug policies have unequivocally undermined basic civil rights and gutted the constitutional amendments. And it's not coincidental that much of the eroding civil rights in the "war on terror" came directly from the war on drugs.

Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall once summed up the drug war by reminding his fellow justices that "there is no drug exception to the Constitution."

The drug war is a war on everyone. So who is the real enemy? Drugs are not the enemy because drugs are chemicals. We have a war on drugs no more than we have a war on fruit trees. Just read the Constitution and there's nothing in it that says our government can pass laws to prohibit citizens from injecting narcotics or smoking marijuana; our brains and bodies don't belong to the government.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-10-11   15:52:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Deckard (#61)

The War on Drugs is an enemy to the rights and privacy of U.S. citizens

I read the first one (above) and found it full of shit. The constitution makes provisions for warrants, search warrants and no-knocks. 90% of most drug arrests are confiscated by plain view or smelled via a free air ruling.

I'll read no more of your yella, drug loving snake oil sales plugs.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-10-11   16:31:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: GrandIsland, tpaine, Deckard (#45)

Find me one time in history where the conservative or Republican Party included legalized drugs on their platform.

William F. Buckley

A nanny police state is not conservative. You drug warriors are libtards.


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"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-10-11   16:42:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: hondo68 (#63)

Buckley considered himself a libertarian that was smart enough to know he won't win shit without the Republican title. That makes him a RINO.

He publicly stated many times he was both libertarian and conservative... but unlike Ron Paul, knew the libertarian party was a death sentence for victory.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-10-11   16:52:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: hondo68 (#63)

A nanny police state is not conservative. You drug warriors are libtards.

Most of the nanny police state laws, rules and regulations (aside from drug laws) are created by DEMOCRATS. Like Cuck Fuomo, O'bunghole, Pelosi and a host of other sheep herders.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-10-11   16:56:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: GrandIsland (#62)

90% of most drug arrests are confiscated by plain view or smelled via a free air ruling.

Another idiotic opinion pulled from your ass with no link to support the mindless drivel you spout.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-10-11   17:37:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: GrandIsland, hondo68 (#65)

Most of the nanny police state laws, rules and regulations (aside from drug laws)

Oh I get it - when Democrats create nanny state laws it's bad, but when Republicans enact legislation and enforce laws that are the very definition of nanny state-ism, it's good.

Oh, here's a news flash for you - Democrats are just as much in favor of the unconstitutional drug war as Republicans.

It's about having control over the lives of American citizens.

Which is why most politicians become politicians in the first place.

It's also why the ranks of police departments are filled with sadistic authoritarian personality types.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-10-11   17:44:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Deckard (#66)

Another idiotic opinion pulled from your ass with no link to support the mindless drivel you spout

I've got 20 years of confiscating drugs. 90% of all drugs my old department booked into evidence was from simple plain view arrests. Dip shit.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-10-11   17:45:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Deckard (#67)

Oh, here's a news flash for you - Democrats are just as much in favor of the unconstitutional drug war as Republicans.

That alone should tell you that you are a minority turd bag thinker.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-10-11   17:48:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: GrandIsland (#68)

I've got 20 years of confiscating drugs. 90% of all drugs my old department booked into evidence was from simple plain view arrests.

So you say.

Even if what you say is true, (which I doubt because - well you are a former cop who lied for a living) your anecdotal tale is not evidence that nationwide 90% of arrests are made from simple plain view arrests.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-10-11   17:50:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Dead Culture Watch (#48)

"There will always be a percentage of people who will use and a bunch will be addicts."

So you believe that if we legalized all drugs and they were readily available (and cheap, naturally), the number of drug users and/or the amount of drugs consumed would not increase.

You must, since you believe our drug laws "do not change human behavior".

You spout nonsense like that and expect others to take you seriously? I sure as hell don't.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-10-11   17:51:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Deckard (#70) (Edited)

Even if what you say is true, (which I doubt because - well you are a former cop who lied for a living) your anecdotal tale is not evidence that nationwide 90% of arrests are made from simple plain view arrests.

Shut your heroine hole. Your drug addled hero's of society are some of the dumbest shitbags known to society. I've arrested your hero's for talking to me high with a fucking joint tucked behind their ear... AND THEN FOUND MORE WEED IN THEIR BACKPACK, INCIDENT TO ARREST. I could literally tell you hundreds upon hundreds of I'm a stupid drug user stories. lol

You should find a better class of people to cheer for. Most of those lazy shitbags also carry EBT cards too.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-10-11   17:56:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: GrandIsland (#72) (Edited)

Shut your heroine hole.

If I were you, I'd try and get a refund on that GED you paid for.

Just a thought.

As far as the rest of your rant - as I tried to explain to you before, your "anecdotes" are not evidence that 90% of nationwide arrests are made from simple plain view arrests.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-10-11   18:01:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: GrandIsland (#64)

"Buckley considered himself a libertarian"

Yes he did.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-10-11   18:03:01 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: GrandIsland, hondo68 (#64)

He publicly stated many times he was both libertarian and conservative...

ROTFLOL!

In your simple minded cop-influenced world view, a person can't be both.

8 ways Ronald Reagan was a libertarian

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-10-11   18:11:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Deckard (#75)

In your simple minded cop-influenced world view, a person can't be both.

Of course a candidate can be a little of both... but my point (lost in your empty head) was that Buckley would have considered himself more libertarian than Republican/Conservative AND he would have run on the Libertarian ticket (like Rand would have) if it was possible to win while associated with that kook filled party.

Reagan was both... but more conservative than libertarian. He was a great president. Conservative with just the right amount of libertarian principles to keep him from being an LF KOOK.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-10-11   18:22:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Deckard (#46)

"Good grief man, PCP is not even mentioned in that article."

Of course not. Not if the article is attempting to paint hallucinogens as "not bad for mental health".

But LSD, peyote, psilocybin, DMT and PCP are drugs that cause hallucinations.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-10-11   18:25:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Deckard, conservative libertarians, misterwhite, GrandIsland (#75)


Goldwater, Reagan, Buckley

It's a vast libertarian conspiracy, and Reagan was in on it! /s

Barry Goldwater was in favor of medical marijuana for Arizona.


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-10-11   19:26:08 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: misterwhite, dead culture watch, Y'ALL (#71)

The war on drugs does not change human behavior.

There will always be a percentage of people who will use and a bunch will be addicts. The war on drugs is an incredible waste of resources. Which is hilarious when people say the addict is going to cost society money if drugs are legalized. They pretend it will cost more if legalization occurs, common sense says otherwise.

Dead Culture Watch

misterwhite : -- So you believe that if we legalized all drugs and they were readily available (and cheap, naturally), the number of drug users and/or the amount of drugs consumed would not increase.

Before addictive drugs were criminalized, they were incredibly cheap, and sold by mail order to anyone. -- They were NOT a 'problem', -- although prohibitionists saw them as a political opportunity to gain power.

You must, since you believe our drug laws "do not change human behavior".

Prohibitions change human behavior by creating black markets

You spout nonsense like that and expect others to take you seriously? I sure as hell don't. --- misterwhite

What a howler, -- misterwhite imagines others here take his anti-constitutional opinions seriously?

tpaine  posted on  2015-10-11   20:28:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: misterwhite (#71)

So you believe that if we legalized all drugs and they were readily available (and cheap, naturally), the number of drug users and/or the amount of drugs consumed would not increase.

You must, since you believe our drug laws "do not change human behavior".

I believe the number of addicts would stay the same.

I have seen no evidence to suggest otherwise. People become addicts because they are predisposed to it.

Regardless, it's really a moot point, in the first place, I am not a smug POS who feels like he has the right to tell another what they can put in their body. That POS would be you.

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-10-11   22:00:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Dead Culture Watch (#80)

"I believe the number of addicts would stay the same."

Well, that's an answer. Unfortunately, not to the question I asked. Let's try again.

If we legalized all drugs and they were readily available (and cheap, naturally), are you saying the number of drug users and/or the amount of drugs consumed would not increase?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-10-12   9:52:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: GrandIsland (#60)

"Drug laws aren't unconstitutional, dummy."

And we haven't spent $1 trillion on "the drug war". The federal ONDCP budget (which includes drug treatment programs and anti-drug marketing and border patrol and overseas interdiction) is $26 billion. In a $3.8 trillion federal budget. That works out to .6%.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-10-12   10:50:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: misterwhite (#82)

And we haven't spent $1 trillion on "the drug war".

....four decades after Richard Nixon declared the war on drugs in 1971 and $1 trillion spent since then.

The federal ONDCP budget (which includes drug treatment programs and anti-drug marketing and border patrol and overseas interdiction) is $26 billion. In a $3.8 trillion federal budget.

In the United States, if illegal drugs were taxed at rates comparable to those on alcohol and tobacco, they would yield $46.7 billion in tax revenue. A Cato study says legalizing drugs would save the U.S. about $41 billion a year in enforcing the drug laws.

Have U.S. drug laws reduced drug use? No. The U.S. is the No. 1 nation in the world in illegal drug use. As with Prohibition, banning alcohol didn't stop people drinking -- it just stopped people obeying the law.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-10-12   10:58:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: misterwhite (#82)

And we haven't spent $1 trillion on "the drug war". The federal ONDCP budget (which includes drug treatment programs and anti-drug marketing and border patrol and overseas interdiction) is $26 billion. In a $3.8 trillion federal budget. That works out to .6%.

What do we spend because of the dopers? They've imposed a lot of medical costs on society, things like emergency rood visits when they OD and crap like that. Plus the potential gains we lost from people who took dope and ruined their life. Jim Gordon's life was ruined by drugs, he murdered his own mother, and has been institutionalized ever since, drug use made him insane. Same with Syd Barrett.

And do you notice the dopers are the biggest anti-Trump people here? Dopers are bad for America, that's why the red diaper babies pushed dope back in the 60's.

Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria

nativist nationalist  posted on  2015-10-12   11:10:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: nativist nationalist (#84) (Edited)

And do you notice the dopers are the biggest anti-Trump people here?

That's highly illogical since Trump had said he would legalize ALL drugs.

...it wasn’t too long ago that the real-estate mogul/reality-TV star publicly supported the legalization of drugs in the United States—and called out politicians for not having the courage to end the disastrous war on drugs.

During a luncheon hosted by the Miami Herald in April 1990, Trump slammed U.S. drug enforcement policy as “a joke,” and argued that tax dollars from a legalized, regulated narcotics industry could be spent on programs educating Americans about the dangers of drugs and addiction.

“We’re losing badly the war on drugs,” he said, rightly so, to the crowd of 700 people. “You have to legalize drugs to win that war. You have to take the profit away from these drug czars.”

There's plenty of other reasons to dislike Trump.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-10-12   11:36:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Deckard (#85)

That's highly illogical since Trump had said he would legalize ALL drugs.

Dopers are illogical. Same ones that whine about free trade with Red China, amnesty, illegal aliens and gun control flock to Bernie Sanders. Esau traded away his birthright for a mess of pottage, your generation traded it away for pot. The generations after yours will curse your generation, and they've every right to. The "if it feel good, do it" ethos that defined your generation cheated the following generations of what their ancestors had put aside and built up for their heirs. A dozen generations before yours built up America, and your generation consumed it in a drug induced haze that numbed the senses and destroyed common sense.

Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria

nativist nationalist  posted on  2015-10-12   11:44:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: nativist nationalist (#86)

Same ones that whine about free trade with Red China, amnesty, illegal aliens and gun control flock to Bernie Sanders.

Huh, what?

You assume that because someone is against the drug war they must automatically be anti-gun, pro amnesty and for free trade with China?

Here's a clue - everyone doesn't fit neatly into your ignorant little stereotypes.

Trump is a joke, and it has nothing to do with Sanders, Bush, Rubio or any of the fake conservatives currently running under the Republican banner.

The two names on the ticket next November will be Bush and Clinton.

Trump is in the race to make sure that occurs.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-10-12   12:37:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Deckard (#83)

"In the United States, if illegal drugs were taxed at rates comparable to those on alcohol and tobacco, they would yield $46.7 billion in tax revenue."

Based on the current black-market price of drugs. If legalized, the price of drugs would drop 90%. Plus, they're assuming 100% tax collection.

They'd be lucky to get $3 billion.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-10-12   12:54:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Deckard (#83)

"In the United States, if illegal drugs were taxed at rates ..."

Why do states tax "medical" marijuana and not any other medicine? Where's the compassion?

Perhaps because marijuana isn't medicine, huh?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-10-12   13:01:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: misterwhite (#88)

The results in Colorado prove you wrong.

The Colorado Department of Revenue, according to recently released figures, just brought in $70 million in taxes relating to marijuana, compared to less than $42 million for alcohol taxes, over the course of a year.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-10-12   13:02:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: misterwhite (#89)

Where's the compassion?

Where's yours?

You'd rather see a kid die or suffer epileptic seizures instead of allowing the parents to use medical marijuana or extracts.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-10-12   13:07:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: all you prohibitionists, (#79)

misterwhite : -- So you believe that if we legalized all drugs and they were readily available (and cheap, naturally), the number of drug users and/or the amount of drugs consumed would not increase.

Before addictive drugs were criminalized, they were incredibly cheap, and sold by mail order to anyone. -- They were NOT a 'problem', -- although prohibitionists saw them as a political opportunity to gain power.

You must, since you believe our drug laws "do not change human behavior".

Prohibitions change human behavior by creating black markets.

Typically, misterwhite cannot refute the above, and neither can the rest of you 'drug warriors'..

Round and round you go, making the same tired prohibitionist talking points.

tpaine  posted on  2015-10-12   13:49:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Deckard (#90)

"The Colorado Department of Revenue, according to recently released figures, just brought in $70 million in taxes relating to marijuana compared to less than $42 million for alcohol taxes"

Less than a year ago, the Colorado governor’s office estimated a $100 million tax haul from recreational marijuana taxes in the first fiscal year.

What happened, Deckard?

In Colorado, there is a 10% marijuana sales tax and a 15% excise tax on the average market rate of retail marijuana. It adds up to 25% (excluding the 2.9% sales tax).

Alcohol is taxed per gallon at a very low rate (eg., 8 cents a gallon for beer excluding the 2.9% sales tax). Those numbers are reflected above.

But when you add the 2.9% sales tax to both marijuana and alcohol, alcohol brings in more revenue.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-10-12   13:53:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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