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Title: Ben Carson says he would have charged Oregon community college gunman
Source: FOX News
URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201 ... egon-community-college-gunman/
Published: Oct 7, 2015
Author: FOX News
Post Date: 2015-10-07 13:58:10 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 940
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Carson defends shooting remarks, blames manipulative media

Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson said Tuesday that he would have attacked the gunman who killed nine people at an Oregon community college last week.

"I would not just stand there and let him shoot me," Carson told "Fox and Friends". "I would say 'Hey, guys, everybody attack him! He may shoot me but he can't get us all."

The retired neurosurgeon added that he probably would not have visited Roseburg, Ore., where the Umpqua Community College shooting took place, if he were president because that would inject politics into a tragedy.

Late Monday, Carson took to Facebook to slam calls by Democrats for more gun control legislation in the aftermath of the shooting. Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton rolled out several proposals to address gun violence this week, including using executive action as president to expand background check requirements. Clinton pledged to require anyone "attempting to sell a significant number of guns" to be considered a firearms dealer, and therefore subject to a federal license.

"As a Doctor, I spent many a night pulling bullets out of bodies," Carson wrote. "There is no doubt that this senseless violence is breathtaking – but I never saw a body with bullet holes that was more devastating than taking the right to arm ourselves away. Serious people seek serious solutions. 

"The Left would prefer to use these tragedies to advance a political agenda. To me, that is also devastatingly sad," Carson continued. "The Left would have you believe that a man that asked Christians to stand up (and then executed them one by one) would obey 'new gun laws'. That kind of logic explains many of the problems we find ourselves in today."

In a new book released Tuesday, Carson, who was raised in inner-city Detroit, says he previously supported stricter gun laws "until he fully recognized the intent of the Second Amendment, which is to protect the freedom of the people from an overly aggressive government."

He writes in "A More Perfect Union" that calls for greater gun control after repeated mass shootings, especially those involving children, may seem noble, "but is just the kind of thing that our founders feared." And he defended the right to own powerful weaponry such as assault rifles and armor-penetrating ammunition.

Carson wrote that the "people have a right to any type of weapon that they can legally obtain in order to protect themselves. They would be at a great disadvantage if they were attacked by an overly aggressive government and all they had to defend themselves with were minor firearms."

Carson and some of his Republican rivals have called for measures that would prevent people who are seriously mentally ill from owning guns.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

If the guy is executing each one, then a group is better off rushing them instead of lining up to take a bullet in the head. He might get off one head shot but he would have to try to take body shots to get the rest. At close quarters, few gunman are that organized.

So a good answer by Carson, very defensible. This helps him connect with the RKBA types who think he's a little squishy on guns. It won't necessarily get their vote but it gets him some respect from them. He's also showing he has some fight in him in how he's weathering the Mean Girls Twitter eruption that has followed his remarks.

So win-win for Carson, I think.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-10-07   14:14:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Deckard (#0)

"I would say 'Hey, guys, everybody attack him! He may shoot me but he can't get us all."

Willie Green  posted on  2015-10-07   14:55:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Deckard (#0)

In a later follow-up, someone asked him if he was calling the victims cowards for not attacking the gunman.

Un ... frigging ... believable.

But he handled it better than I would have. He responded, "I was asked what I would have done."

misterwhite  posted on  2015-10-07   15:25:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Deckard (#0)

There is nothing in Ben Carson's history that would make on think this is anything but empty rhetoric.

If Redleghunter said that I would believe him, if the former Green hatted Sgt said that, I would believe him, they both have a history that would cause one to think, "Yup and take the miscreant out out", but Carson has no such history.

BobCeleste  posted on  2015-10-08   7:49:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: TooConservative (#1)

If the guy is executing each one, then a group is better off rushing them instead of lining up to take a bullet in the head. He might get off one head shot but he would have to try to take body shots to get the rest. At close quarters, few gunman are that organized.

So a good answer by Carson, very defensible. This helps him connect with the RKBA types who think he's a little squishy on guns. It won't necessarily get their vote but it gets him some respect from them. He's also showing he has some fight in him in how he's weathering the Mean Girls Twitter eruption that has followed his remarks.

So win-win for Carson, I think.

We are going to disagree, you see, in a situation like that, you don't think, you don't talk, you simply react to your training. Carson has had no such training, had he started his little speech, before he got three words out, he'd be dead.

BobCeleste  posted on  2015-10-08   7:51:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: BobCeleste, TooConservative (#5) (Edited)

We are going to disagree, you see, in a situation like that, you don't think, you don't talk, you simply react to your training. Carson has had no such training, had he started his little speech, before he got three words out, he'd be dead.

That may be true but if a few others followed his lead, there's a pretty good chance that a gunman would not be able to kill anyone else.

I think Carson made some valid points, especially concerning the second amendment.

He has changed his position somewhat - he was once in favor of banning assault weapons in cities.

Looks like he's dropped that position after re-reading the bill of rights.

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Deckard  posted on  2015-10-08   8:27:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Deckard, BobCeleste, misterwhite (#6)

David French, NRO:

Common sense apparently does strange things to some progressive minds. Yesterday morning, speaking on Fox and Friends, Ben Carson said of a mass-shooting situation, “I would not just stand there and let him shoot me. I would say, ‘Hey guys, everybody attack him. He may shoot me, but he can’t get us all.’”

The New York Times declared that his statement was “drawing widespread rebuke from his critics and reviving questions about his candidacy.” ABC News asked him to “clarify” his statement, leading to this rather amusing exchange:

ABC: Dr. Carson can you clarify your statements on the Oregon shooting?

Carson: What needs clarification?

ABC: I guess there’s an implication that you’re saying that the students didn’t do enough to save themselves.

Carson: No, I said nothing about them. I said what I would do.

ABC: And can you say what you would do?

Carson: I would ask everybody to attack the gunman because he can only shoot one of us at a time. That way we don’t all wind up dead.

He then laughed and walked away. Later, on Megyn Kelly’s show, he said that he wasn’t laughing at the shooting but rather the “silliness” of the people asking the question. He said that he wanted to “plant the seed in people’s minds so that if this happens again they don’t all get killed.”

There was a time when the guidance for passengers in airplane hijackings could be summed up in one word: Cooperate. And on September 11, 2001, hijackers used that guidance to guarantee their control of three airplanes — the planes that later flew straight into the World Trade Center towers and the Pentagon. But on one aircraft, the passengers learned that cooperation meant certain death, and they unilaterally changed the protocols. As a result, it’s now virtually unthinkable that American passengers will simply stand by and allow a hijacker to seize an airliner’s controls.

To hail the passengers of Flight 93 is not to condemn the passengers of Flight 11, Flight 175, and Flight 77. In a terrifying situation, they were doing what they were taught to do.

The current guidance for victims in mass-shooting situations is just as passive as the original guidance for hijacking victims. “Shelter in place,” they’re told. In other words, hide and wait for rescue. Carson is urging a change in the paradigm, to immediate group resistance.

The key word here is “group.” The sad stories of mass shootings are replete with tales of individual heroism, of the one man who charged the attacker only to be shot down. In Oregon, Chris Mintz resisted and was shot multiple times. At Fort Hood, Captain John Gaffney reportedly died charging Fort Hood shooter Nidal Hasan. But where one man fails, two or three can succeed — just ask Spencer Stone, Alek Skarlatos, and Anthony Sadler, the three American men who foiled an August terrorist attack on a French train.

Should the defining characteristic of Americans under fire — whether from terrorists or from depraved gunmen — be their eagerness to shelter or their courage to resist? And should a presidential candidate prioritize “sensitivity” over all other virtues? Carson is urging Americans to change their thinking, to take responsibility for their own defense. In a previous era, this would be called leadership. Now, all too many people just call it mean.

As I’ve said before, none of us can truly know how we’ll respond to a crisis until we face that ultimate test, but aspiration is the first step to action, and we can and should urge our fellow Americans to fight — together, immediately, and viciously — when confronted by a mortal threat. “Shelter in place” is supposed to mean “wait for help.” All too often it means “wait to die.” Those are not American words. They are not in keeping with American culture. On Flight 93, the battle cry was “Let’s roll.” On a train in Belgium, it was “Let’s go.” Those are the right words — the American words — for defeating evil.


Carson: What needs clarification?

LOL. Carson 1, libmedia 0.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-10-08   8:53:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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