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politics and politicians Title: No Movement That Embraces Trump Can Call Itself Conservative [NRO's Goldberg "Count Me Out"] Well, if this is the conservative movement now, I guess you’re going to have to count me out. No, I’m not making some mad dash to the center. No, I’m not hoping to be the first alternate to Steve Schmidt on Morning Joe, nor am I vying to become my generation’s Kevin Phillips. I will never be a HillaryCon. And I have no plan to earn “strange new respect” from the Georgetown cocktail-party set I’m always hearing about but never meeting. But even if I have no desire to “grow” in my beliefs, I have no intention to shrink, either. The late Bill Rusher, longtime publisher of National Review, often counseled young writers to remember, “Politicians will always disappoint you.” As I’ve often said around here, this isn’t because politicians are evil. It’s because politicians are politicians. Their interests too often lie in votes, not in principles. That’s why the conservative movement has always recognized that victory lies not simply in electing conservative politicians, but in shaping a conservative electorate that lines up the incentives so that politicians define their self-interest in a conservative way. But if it’s true that politicians can disappoint, I think one has to say that the people can, too. And when I say “the people” I don’t mean “those people.” I mean my people. I mean many of you, Dear Readers. Normally, when conservatives talk about how the public can be wrong, we mean that public. You know the one. The “low-information voters” Rush Limbaugh is always talking about. The folks we laughed at when Jay Leno interviewed them on the street. But we don’t just mean the unwashed and the ill-informed. We sometimes mean Jews, blacks, college kids, Lena Dunham fans, and countless other partisan slices of the electorate who reflexively vote on strict party lines for emotional or irrational reasons. We laugh at liberals who let know-nothing celebrities do their thinking for them. Well, many of the same people we laughed at are now laughing at us because we are going ga-ga over our own celebrity. Behold the Trumpen Proletariat Yes, I know that there are plenty of decent and honorable people who support Trump. For instance, my friend John Nolte over at Breitbart is one. He constantly celebrates Trump because Trump has all the right enemies and defies the conventional rules governing politics and media: #GOPSmartSet-ters confused by Trump’s appeal need to spend some time in the Real World. You can’t help the cause being this out-of-touch. — John Nolte (@NolteNC) August 28, 2015 Why Trump resonates. https://t.co/IGgZq6RXdS — John Nolte (@NolteNC) August 27, 2015 Trump goes right over the heads of the media to talk to the people. He uses the media like his chew toy. And it’s glorious. — John Nolte (@NolteNC) August 26, 2015 I’ve waited 30 years to see the media get treated like Trump just treated that piece of garbage @jorgeramosnews. Oh. Hell. Yes. — John Nolte (@NolteNC) August 25, 2015 But this is not an argument for Trump as a serious presidential candidate. It is really no argument at all. It is catharsis masquerading as principle, venting and resentment pretending to be some kind of higher argument. Every principle used to defend Trump is subjective, graded on a curve. Trump is like a cat trained to piss in a human toilet. It’s amazing! It’s remarkable! Yes, yes, it is: for a cat. But we don’t judge humans by the same standard. The Tempting of Conservatism I’ve written many times how the phrase “power corrupts” has been misunderstood. Lord Acton’s original point wasn’t that power corrupts those who wield power, it was that it corrupts those who admire it. In a letter to a historian friend who was too forgiving of the Reformation-era popes, Acton wrote: I cannot accept your canon that we are to judge Pope and King unlike other men, with a favourable presumption that they did no wrong. If there is any presumption it is the other way, against the holders of power, increasing as the power increases. Historic responsibility has to make up for the want of legal responsibility. Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority, still more when you superadd the tendency or the certainty of corruption by authority. There is no worse heresy than that the office sanctifies the holder of it. Popularity — which in democracy is a very important kind of power — works the same way. We routinely forgive the rich and famous for sins we would condemn our neighbors for. Trump’s popularity apparently trumps all standards we would apply not just to our neighbors, but to our leaders. A small example of what I am talking about can be found in Ted Cruz’s vow not to criticize other Republicans — if by “Republicans” you mean “Donald Trump.” I have a lot of respect for Cruz, but this doesn’t pass the laugh test. The Texan has been lambasting the entire Republican party for his entire time in office. Some of his critiques are valid, of course. But he has shown not an iota of reluctance to criticize fellow Republicans when it’s in his interest. Cruz isn’t criticizing Donald Trump because, as a smart politician, he wants to woo Trump’s followers when/if Trump eventually falters. Similarly, I’m constantly hearing from Trump fans that it’s “disrespectful” for me to criticize the Republican front-runner — as if these fans would refrain from criticizing Jeb or Rubio or Kasich if they were in the lead. The Bonfire of Principles If I sound dismayed, it’s only because I am. Conservatives have spent more than 60 years arguing that ideas and character matter. That is the conservative movement I joined and dedicated my professional life to. And now, in a moment of passion, many of my comrades-in-arms are throwing it all away in a fit of pique. Because “Trump fights!” How many Republicans have been deemed unfit for the Oval Office because of comparatively minor character flaws or ideological shortcomings? Rick Perry in 2012 saw his candidacy implode when he couldn’t remember the third item on his checklist of agencies he’d close down. Well, even in that “oops” moment, Rick Perry comes off as Lincolnesque compared with Donald Trump. Yes, I know Trump has declared himself pro-life. Good for him — and congratulations to the pro-life movement for making that the price of admission. But I’m at a total loss to understand why serious pro-lifers take him at his word. He’s been all over the place on Planned Parenthood, and when asked who he’d like to put on the Supreme Court, he named his pro-choice-extremist sister. Ann Coulter wrote of Newt in 2011: “If all you want is to lob rhetorical bombs at Obama and then lose, Newt Gingrich — like recent favorite Donald Trump — is your candidate. But if you want to save the country, Newt’s not your guy.” Now Ann leads a chorus of people claiming that Trump is our only savior. Has Trump changed, or have Ann and her followers? Is there a serious argument behind the new thinking, or is it “because he fights!”? It is entirely possible that conservatives sweat the details of tax policy too much. Once in office, a president must deal with political realities that render the fine print of a campaign pamphlet as useful as a battle plan after the enemy is met. But in the last month, Trump has contemplated a flat tax, the fair tax, maintaining the current progressive tax system, a carried-interest tax, a wealth tax, and doing nothing. His fans respond, “That shows he’s a pragmatist!” No. It shows that he has absolutely no ideological guardrails whatsoever. Ronald Reagan once said, “Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other.” Trump is close to the reverse. He’s a mouth at the wrong end of an alimentary canal spewing crap with no sense of responsibility. In his embarrassing interview with Hugh Hewitt Thursday night, Trump revealed he knows less than most halfway-decent D.C. interns about foreign policy. Twitter lit up with responses about how it doesn’t matter and how it was a gotcha interview. They think that Trump’s claim that he’ll just go find a Douglas MacArthur to fix the problem is brilliant. Well, I’m all in favor of finding a Douglas MacArthur, but if you don’t know anything about foreign policy, the interview process will be a complete disaster. Yes, Reagan delegated. But he knew enough to know to whom to delegate. If you want a really good sense of the damage Donald Trump is doing to conservatism, consider the fact that for the last five years no issue has united the Right more than opposition to Obamacare. Opposition to socialized medicine in general has been a core tenet of American conservatism from Day One. Yet, when Republicans were told that Donald Trump favors single-payer health care, support for single-payer health care jumped from 16 percent to 44 percent. I’ve written a lot about my problems with populism. One of my favorite illustrations of why the populist mindset is dangerous and anti-intellectual comes from William Jennings Bryan. “The people of Nebraska are for free silver and I am for free silver,” Bryan announced. “I will look up the arguments later.” My view of conservatism holds that if free silver is a bad idea, it’s still a bad idea even if the people of Nebraska are for it. But Trumpism flips this on its head. The conservatives of Nebraska and elsewhere should be against single-payer health care, even if Donald Trump is for it. What we are seeing is the corrupting of conservatives. Homework Is for Losers I agree that presidents don’t need to be experts on everything. But they do need to do their homework. This is a standard I’ve held for years: This is my biggest gripe about some of the GOP candidates in recent years. They don’t think they have to do their homework, perhaps because they aren’t so much running for president as running for greater celebrity. Consider Herman Cain. I love listening to him, and so do a lot of conservatives. He’s smart enough to be president. But he simply didn’t do his homework, and he acted like that was something to be proud of, as when he of bragged about not knowing the names of leaders of “small, insignificant states” like Uzbekistan (which he jokingly pronounced “Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan”).The one thing you cannot buy in politics is charisma. If you could, Mitt Romney would have bought a pallet of it at Costco and he’d probably be president now. Cain and Perry had the charisma, the natural political talent, and they squandered it by thinking all they needed was the sizzle without the steak. Trump has the charisma, I’ll grant him that. But there is no evidence he’s thought deeply about the job beyond how much classier it will be once he has it. His whole shtick is an eminence front (“It’s a put on!” — The Couch). When running for president, doing your homework is a question of character and even patriotism. If you love this country and want to be the president, quite literally the least you can do is be prepared. So let’s return to the issue of character. In 2012, Mark Steyn wrote that a President Gingrich would have “twice as many ex-wives as the first 44 presidents combined.” If that (quite brilliant) line resonated with you three years ago, why doesn’t it for a President Trump? I understand the Noltean compulsion to celebrate anyone who doesn’t take crap from the mainstream media. But when Newt Gingrich brilliantly eviscerated the press in 2012, there was a serious ideological worldview behind it. Trump’s assaults on the press have only one standard: whether the journalist in question is favorable to Trump or not. If a journalist praises him, that journalist is “terrific.” If the journalist is critical of Trump he is a “loser” (or, in my case, a loser who can’t buy pants). Not surprisingly, Hugh Hewitt is now “third rate” because he made Trump look bad. I’m no fan of Arianna Huffington or Gail Collins, but calling them “dogs” because they criticized you is not a serious ideological or intellectual retort. (It’s not even clever.) I think Trump did insinuate that Megyn Kelly was menstruating during the debate. He denies it. Fine. But what in the world about his past would lead someone to give him the benefit of the doubt? This is the same man who said, “You know, it doesn’t really matter what [the media] write as long as you’ve got a young and beautiful piece of ass.” Trump’s glass-bottom id lets the whole world see his megalomania. He talks about himself in the third person all the time. He explains that Trump is great because Trump is rich and famous. He’s waxed profound on how he doesn’t want blacks counting his money (he prefers Jews in yarmulkes). He makes jokes on national TV about women fellating him. He pays famous people to attend his wedding and then brags about it as if he got one over on them. He boasts in his books how he screwed over business associates and creditors because all that mattered was making an extra buck. If your neighbor talked this way, maybe he’d still be your friend, because we all have friends who are characters. But would you want him to be your kid’s English teacher? Guidance counselor? Would you tell your kids you want them to follow his example? Would you go into business with him? Would you entrust him with nuclear weapons? Remnant Here I Come Karl Marx coined the term lumpenproletariat to describe working-class people who could never relinquish their class consciousness and embrace the idea of a classless socialist society. Hence, they were useless to the revolutionary cause. I’m no Marxist, so I don’t buy the idea that anybody — never mind a whole class of people — are beyond persuasion. But I am tempted to believe that Donald Trump’s biggest fans are not to be relied upon in the conservative cause. I have hope they will come to their senses. But it’s possible they won’t. And if the conservative movement and the Republican party allow themselves to be corrupted by this flim-flammery, then so be it. My job will be harder, my career will suffer, and I’ll be ideologically homeless (though hardly alone). That’s not so scary. Conservatism began in the wilderness and maybe, like the Hebrews, it would return from it stronger and ready to rule. But I’m not leaving without a fight. If my side loses that fight, all I ask is you stop calling the Trumpian cargo cult “conservative” and maybe stop the movement long enough for me to get off. Poster Comment: We had a Breitbart piece about this NRO article so we may as well have the article as well. Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest
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Goldberg nails it.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
He makes a list of rote complaints about Trumpism. It's okay but hardly his best writing. I thought the Breitbart takedown was overwrought. Goldberg said little more than "count me out" that was new. He doesn't explain what exactly he intends to do about it. Not participate in a parade for Donald? Stay home and not vote? I only bothered to read it and post it because Breitbart was sneering at it.
I"ve despised the liberal rag national review for decades. Golderg wants Bush. Goldberg should go jump off a cliff.
I'd say he wants anyone but Trump. The NRO writers like experienced pols. They like Fiorina only because she has prepared well. They initially disliked Carson's bid but his conduct has softened them up a little. NRO is a very wonky site. So you can't be surprised if they don't like Trump. And if you don't understand why, they'll explain it to you in only a few hundred thousand words. Wonky sites will inevitably like wonkier candidates. Here is his new post on NRO as a sample of what he does write on: So Hillary Clinton mumbled some kind of apology yesterday: “Even though it was allowed, I should have used two accounts. One for personal, one for work-related emails,” she told ABC News. ”That was a mistake. I’m sorry about that. I take responsibility.” This raises the question: Who gives a rat’s ass? Were you demanding an apology from Hillary Clinton? I wasn’t. I wanted the facts. And those are still in short supply. Which raises a second point: What the Hell is she talking about when she says the State Department “allowed” her private, off-site, server? First off, Hillary Clinton was running the State Department. Does she mean that she allowed herself to do it? If so, this may be the greatest example of Clintonian weasel-wording yet. If she doesn’t mean that, can we have the name of the official who told Clinton it was okay? Can we have the paperwork? Or is the Clinton team still drawing straws to see who gets to take one for the team? Which brings us back around to this apology business. Note that she’s apologizing for the narrowest definition of her transgressions, which is a clever way of trying to minimize the scandal. It was perfectly allowed…but I should have used to email addresses. My bad. This is a strange way to “take responsibility,” after months of saying you did absolutely nothing wrong and attacking anyone who said otherwise. If she’s going to apologize for anything, she should apologize for that. Or she could apologize for putting national security at risk. Or she could apologize for violating rules rank-and-file people can get sent to jail for. This “apology” is a response to her falling poll numbers and nothing more. That’s because everything she does these days is in response to poll numbers (See my column today).
If I sound dismayed, it’s only because I am. Conservatives have spent more than 60 years arguing that ideas and character matter. Oh boo hoo, Jonah is butthurt. Conservatives have spent more that 60 years elucidating some good and some very bad ideas and then lacking the character to actually carry out any of their principles when in office other than favor the rich and screw everybody else. Trump is pushing over the rotted log of American conservative and causing Jonah Goldberg to go pout and sulk. Oh well. Boo hoo. Serves him right for cheerleading nonsense.
You're just peeved that he ridiculed the "Trump fights!" lumpenproletariet. Say, that would be you, wouldn't it?
If it was bush or christie would he be saying the same thing? We really don't know where Trump stands on many subjects but we have known were others have stood on many subjects and they have done the opposite. I think an outsider may be good as an eye opener to the elites in office. Remember Reagan was an outsider he turned out to be the best president probably ever.
They've both run big states, been through multiple political brawls, and both can speak Wonk fluently. So NRO will like them (or any other GOP candidate) much more than Trump. Even Cruz and Paul are more acceptable than Trump. Reagan had been increasingly involved in politics since the Fifties and served two terms as governor of a large state. His resume matched Bush's and Christie's, not Trump's. Nice try.
Say, that would be you, wouldn't it? Nope, that's not me. I'm not "lumpen" anything. I am part of the American intellectual elite, and a peer of France. Trump is a leader. I agree with his tax policies: the rich need to have a substantial portion of their wealth redistributed if the country is going to survive and thrive. Hedge funders need to have the carried interest loophole closed shut around their greedy little necks. I agree with his policy of making a national health insurance market. And I actually believe that he will force through these things. I don't believe a word that comes out of standard Republican politicians' mouths. Boehner and McConnell, Roberts and Kennedy, Judge Bunning, and all of their little Indians - just so many lying sacks of shit. They can always be depended on not to do the right thing. Trump is a man of action, and he gets what he wants done. Obama has demonstrated that a powerful President can simply ram things down on an unwilling Congress and get it done. Trump will use all of those powers to force his way. I want to win. I am not interested in the niceties of process, because process has been used successfully to screw me and my views over for a long time. I'm tired of playing the game. I do not believe in the system itself. We have had strong men who did as they pleased: Obama and W. I want a strong man who will do what I please, and Trump is coming right down my alley. The system? It's broken, and been broken for a long time. I don't care about process anymore - used to, but that's a fool's errand. I only care about results now. The Constitution ceased to function a long time ago. Now it's about power, and I sense that Trump will wield power directly, and massively, in precisely the ways I want to see power wielded. I want the rich taxed, hard. It's time. I want a universal health insurance pool to bring down prices, and I am uninterested in "states rights" suddenly mattering on something I care about, when they've been pissed all over for everything else that I don't want. I want the wall built. Seeing Europe being overrun by refugees, I want ISIS bombed to smithereens. Trump will do these things. The Republicans won't do the first three - we already know that. Trump will. He'll get it done. The last thing? By the time the next President gets in office there won't be anybody left in Syria other than ISIS, Assad's people, and Russians. Horse will already be out of the barn.
Its not a try. I just don't think he would be as bad as people think he would be. He clearly can not be worse than Obama,hillary,biden,sanders,bush,christie. Im a Ted Cruz man myself. I think Ben is way out of his league. He sounds good but would go with the flow once in. The only one that would make a difference [and have voters] from the establishment are Cruz, Paul, Walker and Trump. BTW everything is politics in NY/NJ. I do have concerns about trump but who else is talking about doing something major on the borders and illegal aliens or undoing obama[place policy here]? He has already smoked out Bush for who he is which is totally unacceptable.
And appointing Carl Icahn, proposed by Trump as his Treasury secretary and chief trade negotiator, will get that done? Icahn is a notoriously predatory hedge fund guy who is just as litigious as Trump and just as eager to take advantage of every loophole in the system or create more loopholes to line his pockets. Icahn was named one of the top 40 hedge fund managers by Forbes in 2013. And Icahn has already accepted Trump's nomination as SecTreas. You live in some little dream world apparently. Or you're just pulling our legs. Maybe Bush is your guy. Last night, he said he would build a wall between America and Iran and he would make Mexico pay for it. Too witty for Bush, I think Colbert's writers wrote that quip for him.
Trump has advocated for a half-dozen entirely different tax policies in as many days. Pick one. He's for it. Or against it. And tomorrow he'll pander to someone else.
What do you expect him to do? Or any of us,AFATG? It should be obvious to anyone by now that the pros that run the alleged Republican branch of the ruling party don't really give a damn what we think or say because when it finally boils down to election day it is going to be a choice of the lesser of two evils,and historically we grumble and then go ahead and vote for evil anyhow. Or most of us,anyhow. I quit doing that several elections ago. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Goldberg should go jump off a cliff. Or be shoved off a cliff if he wants Bush. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Praising with flaming damns? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
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