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Title: These Teens Kept Their Sexting Private, But Cops Found Out. Now They Face Sex Offender Registry, Jail.
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Reason
URL Source: http://reason.com/blog/2015/09/01/t ... s-kept-their-sexting-private-b
Published: Sep 1, 2015
Author: Robby Soave
Post Date: 2015-09-02 10:24:48 by Deckard
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Views: 2832
Comments: 83
Fayetteville, North Carolina, cops have charged 17-year-old Cormega Copening with sexual exploitation of a minor—his girlfriend, who is the same age—because the couple sent each other nude photos of themselves during their relationship. There’s no evidence the photos were ever sent to anyone else, and police only became aware of them because they searched Copening’s phone for unrelated reasons that haven't been specified. Even so, the teen—formerly the starting quarterback at his high school—faces decades on the Sex Offender Registry and up to ten years behind bars if convicted. He’s also been benched from the team while Jack Britt High School investigates the matter. Copening’s girlfriend—who remains unnamed in the news articles—is also facing charges, ABC11 reported. These teen-sexting witch hunts are almost always outrageous; they conflate child pornography with something far less sinister. It’s perfectly normal—and wildly common—for kids to express an interest in sex. Should authority figures discourage underage sexting? Sure. Should they ruin kids’ lives for doing it anyway? Absolutely not. But Copening’s situation is more outrageous than most. As far as I can tell, the pictures weren’t shared with anyone else—this isn’t a case where a boy texted a girl’s nude photos to all of his friends and caused her some considerable public humiliation. The photos were private, and remained that way, until the cops got hold of them. If there’s public humiliation here, police intervention is the cause. Consider as well that Copening reciprocated with photos of his own. Does not a mutual, voluntary exchange of photos undercut the notion that “sexual exploitation” is a factor here? It’s more than a little ridiculous to accuse these two of exploiting each other—although this is precisely what the authorities are doing, I presume (the specific charges against the girlfriend were not reported). Lastly, it bears repeating that these teens were 17. If they had waited until they were 18 to send the photos, no crime would have occurred. Eighteen-year-olds are recognized as fully-autonomous sexual adults. Kylie Jenner, who just turned 18, has been inundated with requests to make a sex tape (indeed, filmmakers began making these requests even before she turned 18). The law, by its very nature, permits no nuance: you are 18, or you’re not. But it’s ridiculous to think that teens are magically transformed into adults on their 18th birthday. Many of them—perhaps Copening and his girlfriend—might be ready for mature relationships that involve sex (or, at least, sexy pictures) prior to the government’s randomly-selected date. There’s one more disturbing angle to this story. If Copening is too young to send pictures of his own body, is he not also too young to be made a social pariah? Don’t news agencies often withhold publication of the names of crime victims when they are underage? Copening is a crime victim, according to the police, but multiple local news agencies reported his name and the full situation. They reported on his suspension from the high school football team. They showed his headshot. They pointed out the likelihood that he will have to register as a sex offender. The criminal charges and possible jail time are the worst consequences of the police investigation, but the smearing of Copening’s name and ruining of his high school experience are also unfortunate outcomes—each of them much worse than the harm from a nude photo swap that would have never come to light if the cops had minded their own business. 
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Only in your perverted mind.
On its own the charge seems stupid. However, they searched the guy's phone for some reason and evidently found something. Without knowing what else they found, it is difficult to assess the merit of this action. As speculation, he may have a collection of such girlfriend photos, going back a few years. This girlfriend may have become a cooperative witness. The rest of the story is needed before this is dismissed as an overreach. It could just be two teens, or it could be one teen quarterback football hero who has done this with lots of underage girls. http://myfox8.com/2015/09/01/nc-high-school-quarterback-facing-sexting-charge/ http://wncn.com/2015/08/31/jack-britt-high-school-qb-facing-sex-charges/ During an investigation in October of last year, deputies say they found nude pictures in Copening’s cellphone and that he and his girlfriend were apparently sexting. Both are under 18. Copening is also charged with breaking a student’s car window with a football. Copening, who was 16 at the time and is now 17, also faces possible prison time and the requirement to register as a sex offender if convicted. The charges have already forced him off the football team at Jack Britt High School. He had been the quarterback. [...] The investigations usually are into instances in which photos are shared among a group instead of just within a couple, he said. To his knowledge, Denson's and Copening's pictures weren't shared with anyone else. He said they were discovered during an investigation of other explicit photos that were being shared among teens without the consent of the person or persons pictured. West would not comment on the specifics of the Denson and Copening cases. However, he said, in cases where the defendants and victims were willing participants and close in age, his office typically lets them plead guilty to a misdemeanor with a deferred prosecution. This is how Denson is settling her case. In court on July 21, Denson told District Court Judge Stephen Stokes that she was responsible for the crime of disseminating harmful material to minors. This is a misdemeanor and does not have the life-ruining requirement that she register as a sex offender. One of West's assistants dropped the felony sexual exploitation charges. Stokes put Denson on probation for a year. He ordered her to pay $200 in court costs, stay in school, take a class on how to make good decisions, refrain from using illegal drugs or alcohol, not possess a cellular phone for the duration of her probation and to do 30 hours of community service. If Denson stays out of trouble, West's office next July will drop the misdemeanor charge. She will be able to move on with her life with a clean criminal record.
12 years old and having sex? Chyeah -- as though THAT was normal. Nice memories, eh, hipster? Kids and even teens today are more wiser than you would ever even imagine. "Wiser" ? NO. More knowledgeable and aware of a rudderless, amoral world? Yes. Thanks to the Internet and TV that routinely airs filthy language and soft-core porn. At your age, you should be ashamed of what our nation, our society has accepted as "normal." I'd also hold responsible liberal anything-goes people like you, whose counsel is anything BUT "wise." I believe those cops misrepresented the law as well as maligning the two teens community standing and reputation and I do believe those two teens have standing to sue the bitch out of those officers. I *knew* you had an agenda and skin in the game. What's the matter? Did a cop catch you doing the dirty at the park 40 years ago? Those unlawful search and seizure methods used were way beyond the pale and the punishment the cops want to enforce on these two minors does not fit the crime at all. You know NOTHING of this case, nor of the extent or circumstances other than what you are fed and swallowed whole. Reactionary COPS = BAD. Like a good little brainwashed pod. Yet you assume and pretend to be some kind of character you're an eyewitness? HA! FAIL.
An entire 5 word sentence. Your usual elequence...and you hardly even used any crayon! But I see you're...getting aroused, eh Gramps? Maybe War can hose you down. Hey -- aren't you the liberal pod who has been an advocate of tranny-society? Gay Marriage? Homofascism? And voting for Sanders or Hitlety? Yup. That's you, Ethel. Nice closet you got there.
Way to go, brain drain.
During an investigation in October of last year, deputies say they found nude pictures in Copening’s cellphone and that he and his girlfriend were apparently sexting. Both are under 18. Copening is also charged with breaking a student’s car window with a football. Thanks for your investigative work, Chan... It's soooo much easier to just blame..."COPS!" The agency hit Copening with five sexual exploitation of a minor charges - four for making and possessing two sexually explicit pictures of himself and the last for possessing a copy of the picture that Denson made for him. West would not comment on the specifics of the Denson and Copening cases. However, he said, in cases where the defendants and victims were willing participants and close in age, his office typically lets them plead guilty to a misdemeanor with a deferred prosecution. This is how Denson is settling her case. "Deckard: "Blah-blah...Such a nice boy...is having his life ruined...and jailed for 10 years....(whine, sob, sniffle...damn cops, luberator, and NSA!!") Goldilucky: "Heck -- don't be a prude. Sex at 12 years old sex is normal." Nice try, Anarchists.
Wow. Another 5-word rebuttal. (What color crayola did you use?) Aaaah, Ethel the Forum Spelling Fuzz. What would the world do without you performing such a crucial function?? Do you have a tip jar? *clang*
I get it now. You were jealous of all the other boys who made the team and you didn't. So sorry. I would expect the opinion of an Anarchist to be negligent in wanting to teach a damn thing -- including RESPECT -- to spoiled brats and punks who learn about life from MTV as they laugh at the law....but...learning lessons early on is doing EVERYONE a favor. Man, get a frigging grip here. You make it sound like the kids killed someone. But you, 0blabla, Holder, and the SPLC/ACLU see "Ebil LE" lurking behind every shadow in a nation of 325 million people -- 40 mil of whom are illegal invaders, another demo having declared war on Whitey, and yet another demo has declared war on the Constitution, God, the Family and heterosexuals. Your obsession and degree of propaganda is Goebbelian. This nation is at the throes of Anarchy, respect of and for the Law is eroding, and here all you can do is post examples of "intolerance" for LBGT, the Religion of Pot, and a tiny minority of rogue LE abusing their authority -- something that has ALWAYS existed, but according to the Anarchists, it's "epidemic." I say BS to that. and your agenda. Narcissistic anarchist A-holes and punks need their azzes kicked every day by LE because THEY and their incessant whining and challenging the law are making MY quality of life worse by wasting society's assets, money and time in courts (thanks to liberal attorneys and misguided crusaders like YOU.) Your descent into utter insanity is complete. I wish you all the best. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much True, I may no not more than what is given to this story but my concern is not the 17 year old QB with sex photos of his 17 y.o. gf but the fact that the cops have it as well. That's what is so creepy. Cops having those photos of two underaged teens. Since when does it become an issue for cops to meddle in with two teenagers sexting habits? What is the actual statute for charging someone with statutory rape with a minor in that State? You refer to those like myself as hipsters? Yep, I'm proud to be one.
I never said that sex at 12 y.o. is normal but I can tell you that kids are doing it and that is a reality. It is you that really needs to wake up and face reality. Anarchists? Not even close but I certainly do question authority figures who believe they are above the law. And I will even sue as well. I don't have a pussy mentality and I don't need a purple heart or patch depicting me as some soldier hero. I was born a warrior.
Doesn't matter. The cat's out of the bag already. I don't think the young man should be charged nor for LE to be involved. I think the justice the young man should face is the young woman's father. "The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8
But they didn't. I'm sure pederasts and rapists use the same arguments in court. Again, back in the day if something like this happened, the young man's father and the girl's father would handle the situation. "The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8
Perhaps. But back in the day the father of the son and the father of the daughter could go to war over such happenings. Hatfields and McCoys etc. But a more reasoned approach is for the father of the daughter to work the matter with the father of the son. However, given the family unit today you cannot be assured either has a father that is present or cares. The moral of the story is to not expose your body to someone who is not your husband/wife. "The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8
Jared would disagree. That's a good point. I'm sure pedophiles and pederasts have used the very same defense and still do. "The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8
Actually, the above might help him get into U PENN and drafted by the Dallas Cowboys. "The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8
Not enough information to determine such. Only this one sided article in support for the teens involved. Teens can be just as wicked and abusive to their peers as adults...probably worse. These High Schools have become microcosms of vanity, cruelty and exploitation. One only has to flip the channels and see the programming for ABC 'Family' and Disney and a host of others. Media and corporations are 'meeting' the demands of these teenaged oversexed cretans. The kids who just want to go to school, learn, get good grades and play some sports or do some activities are bombarded daily with the oversexed culture in public schools. And some of the teachers encourage it. "The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8
Do you have a daughter about the same age as this girl or at one time did? If so what was your home policy if you found the nude photos? "The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8
The rest of the story is needed before this is dismissed as an overreach. It could just be two teens, or it could be one teen quarterback football hero who has done this with lots of underage girls. The bottom line is if someone sends a nude photo to another on a mobile device, it WILL 'grow' legs. This whole article brought back bad memories of the last separation board I sat on where the board members had to review the evidence of 'sexting'. It was nothing nice to read or 'see.' "The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8
Are you insane?
There are more morals to the story than that. The law itself is excessively harsh, and THEREFORE ungodly. God never prescribed imprisonment, crushing, fines, or anything else, for mere nakedness. It was shameful, that is all. PRISON? Years on a registry that prevents work and habitation? It is pagan in its barbarism. Men are angry that they cannot control the sexual of youth, so they excessively crush one or two as an example to the others. Let us be very clear: these teenagers did something dumb and socially inappropriate, and that is all. The law should not be involved with this. And if it is, the law should be lenient and instructive to the teenagers, not barbaric and life ending. Any man who stands and bellows that these children should be crushed "to make an example" is standing there with a stone, and the accused are not even adulterers. Remember what Jesus warned: let he among you who is without sin (not without this SPECIFIC sin - Jesus did not narrow it like that, but we can: let he among you who is without SEXUAL sin) cast the first stone. And remember well what else Jesus warned: he who forgives will be forgiven, but he who will not forgive shall not be forgiven by the Father either. Think on that well. Every man who crushes these teenagers for something that is an imprudence, nothing more, has set the standard by which God will judge him for his sexual sins. What man casting that stone to crush has MERELY the sin of exposure to a lover, hmmm? The men who want to hound these teens into a hell on earth are casting their own souls into hell. God will not forgive them their sexual sins, and he will crush them at judgment BECAUSE they set the standards. In other words: if you yourself do not want to be thrown into the soul prison of hell for your own sexual sins, back off on these teenagers and forgive them. Have mercy on them, and God will have mercy on you. Refuse them mercy, and you have damned your own soul. Jesus said that - and he said it three times. He meant it. Take is literally, or burn in hell.
Don't you mean Penn State??? Ah yes you are correct.
"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8
If so what was your home policy if you found the nude photos? Are you doing a Taliban interrogation? They should have known better since all digital transmissions are captured including this one. My brother got fired/laid off and sent his dick pic to the boss who decided. I thought it was stupid, but I respect his right to free speech.
My point was people respond differently when their children are involved.
"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8
Children are the innocents and need to be protected. No argument here.
It's premature to say what the guy did, or what charges are contemplated or have been brought against him. The Observer article raises the possibility that there may be more to learn. Who is in the pictures that were being flogged about? One of the girls may have an important parent. Something is still missing from the story. This offense was almost a year ago, and the charge was brought in March.
Good sleuthing. Are you a private investigator in your military retirement job:)
"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8
Teen Boy Will Be Charged As Adult For Having Naked Pics of a Minor: Himself
In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much The charge brought about this picture is excessive. If he has committed a crime elsewhere, charge him with that specific crime. This specific crime is a trivial offense that should be resolved by counseling. If there are other offenses, treat each accordingly. It is neither honest nor legitimate to trump up something small into something major in order to "get" somebody.
Ahhh yes stupid parents, TV, boob jobs, birth control pills and abortions have made this mess... That's just insane. Will they also arrest him for molesting a minor if they catch him Bushing-off? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Yeah. Just like drunk driving. Hey, if no one was injured, no property damaged ... WTF? Right? Why ruin some guy's life because he did something dumb and socially inappropriate?
Well, of course. And it wouldn't be long before her pictures joined the lot.
Why ruin some guy's life because he did something dumb and socially inappropriate? Yes. Like that, but much moreso, because drunk driving can kill people. Dumb pictures cannot. Sending nude pictures of each other is a far more trivial thing than driving a ton of metal while inebriated. But we punish the nudie pictures more harshly than drunk driving, even. In any case, my approach to law is based upon what God said to do and not to do, and on the way that he taught judgment and punishment. I am making the point, to Christians, that if they are harsh and unforgiving, they are setting themselves that very standard of judgment when they are judged by God for everything they have ever done. There is no statute of limitations with God, and nothing is hidden. Everybody is a sinner. Everybody has done dumb, and evil and illegal things. If a man is a self-righteous "CRUCIFY THEM!" prig, because his own sins are hidden, if he's a Christian he needs to understand that, because he has taken that approach, that he has himself chosen the standard of judgment God will apply to him. The harsh righteous prig who says "CRUCIFY THEM, THEY BROKE THE LAW!" has broken the law of God many time, and God will crucify him for having done so - God will apply to each man the standard of judgment that that man has applied to his fellow men. Jesus promised that three times, and he did so as a matter of warning - he said that those who do not forgive other men will not be forgiven for their sins by God. My primary concern is not for the "criminal" or the "victim" in this case. It's with the Christians ready to cast stones. I would prefer that men not cast themselves into Hell by being judgmental jackasses, but that's what they do, and they ought to know that, because Jesus made it so clear, so many times. Nudie pictures are degrading, and the individuals can be shamed, and taught not to do that. But prison and long periods of severe punitive restriction afterwards? It is excessive. And eagerly urging on such a system of excessive judgment earns Hell for the man who delights in harsh punishment of others, because it means that God will likewise brutally punish him for every minor sin he ever committed. The harsh man can abandon all hope of heaven, because he has set a standard of judgment of his own crimes, by God, which makes it impossible for him to pass it. And that's stupidity incarnate. The pagan doesn't know this. But the Christian who can read OUGHT to know this. If he doesn't, he's ignorant of the truths of his own God. If he HAS read it, and doesn't give a damn what God says, and chooses to be a judgmental jackass anyway, then he is one of those Christians who cries "Lord, Lord", but who has apportioned for himself a place in the fire. You're worried about the effects of the nudie pictures on the people photographed. I'm worried about the eternal damnation of the souls of the judgmental jackasses who want to crucify children for what are truly petty mistakes. Send a boy to jail for 10 years for exchanging nude pictures, and you have damned yourself to hell. Understand that.
If merely a slap on the hand would stop the taking, collection and distribution of underage nude pictures, I'm all for it. Do you expect me to believe that's all that's necessary? Just how naïve are you? Worse, how naïve do you think I am?
Well, first of all the nude photos would not bother me so much as the cops interrogating the kids and confiscating those nudie shots. That's what bothers me. Out where I lived teens these days were going to rave parties and just about everything that could happen does happen there. Teens todays are not like they were in your days. The motto in your day was probably this: "Children should be seen and not heard from". At least that is what it was in my days. Well, I refuse to raise children on that understanding. Each generation changes. As far as "home policy" on finding nude photos, I would always make my home a place where the kids can talk to me about anything regardless of what it is. Honesty on my part alone is the only way that I can gain the trust of the children and to help them maintain their high self-esteem. If you choose to lie to your kids and treat them like they are dumb they will find the answers elsewhere. Mostly, they will resent you!
But we punish the nudie pictures more harshly than drunk driving, even. The harsh laws stem from recent (within the past few years) events where young people/kids committed suicide because some idiot posted their photos on the internet. That is why some localities have strict laws on this type of cyber blackmail/bullying. I'm not saying these punishments befit the crimes, they don't, but some localities and our society in general treats cyber blackmail/bullying crimes more serious than others. We live in a very sensitive society now. Where people take their own lives when their profiles and nude photos, and sexual orientation is posted for the entire world to see. And sensitive so much that they make all sorts of laws thus increasing the possibilities of the authorities to arrest and DAs to prosecute people. "The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8
That is why some localities have strict laws on this type of cyber blackmail/bullying. I'm not saying these punishments befit the crimes, they don't, but some localities and our society in general treats cyber blackmail/bullying crimes more serious than others. We live in a very sensitive society now. Where people take their own lives when their profiles and nude photos, and sexual orientation is posted for the entire world to see. And sensitive so much that they make all sorts of laws thus increasing the possibilities of the authorities to arrest and DAs to prosecute people. And what I am saying, over and over again, is that Christians are lost in the weeds worrying about these temporal things. It is so clear. Truth: none of these things MATTER. They are transient. But judgment is PERMANENT. And Jesus has warned - in just specifically this exact sort of judicial case - that the way we judge our temporal, legal affairs, the way we conduct our supposedly "secular" judgments, sets the standard by which God will most certainly judge us. Which means that Christians condemn themselves to Hell when they adopt zero- tolerance, throw-away-the-key attitudes on civil and criminal matters. Throw away the key on somebody for his crime, and God is going to throw away the key on YOU for your sin. Send a boy to prison for ten years for a nude photo, and you have probably LITERALLY damned yourself to an eternity in Hell. Jesus warned about this. Christians are not permitted to separate church and state. How they handle themselves in their public affairs, their views on law enforcement and crime and punishment SET THE STANDARDS by which THEY THEMSELVES will CERTAINLY be judged by God. Jesus PROMISED this THREE TIMES, and yet Christians seem to be ignorant of it, as though, when it comes to secular law enforcement and what they DO - it all doesn't matter because they're forgiven by God. Jesus said that Christians are forgiven NOTHING if they do not forgive. In fact, in the parable, Jesus showed that Christians who WERE forgiven are called BACK by the ruler, UNFORGIVEN, and thrown into prison and torture for LATER not being forgiving AFTER they were forgiven. Jesus' parable makes it very clear that God's forgiveness of Christians' sins is absolute - whatever the sin (except perhaps blasphemy of the Holy Spirit) - BUT ALSO that this forgiveness is also PROVISIONAL - that the forgiven servant who THEN AFTERWARDS goes out and is himself unforgiving, will be hauled BACK before God and God will remove his forgiveness and damn him as he deserves, using EXACTLY the same harsh standard that the formerly forgiven Christian used. Jesus made this CLEAR in his parable. Christians refuse to see it. The path is strait and narrow and few make it through the gate BECAUSE they lie to themselves and grant themselves greater liberty than in fact God gave us. Christians are to be SHEEP, not lions. When Christians throw off the sheeplike nature and turn into lions, because of wrath, they leave the flock, and they end up judged on the standards by which they judged. Recall the Jubilee: ALL CRIMES, forgiven. NO RECORD kept. And the Sabbatical Year: ALL DEBTS, forgiven. This is the LAW, and Jesus UPHELD THE LAW. I see Christians obsessing about sexual sin. What is Christ's standard in the clear case of sexual sin: a stoning of a true adulteress - IF you are without sin, you may cast the first stone. But you shall be judged and punished by the standards by which you judged and punished. What this means is that every Christian with any sexual sin has to forgive all sexual sin in others, up to and including DEATH PENALTY OFFENSES under the laws of God: adultery. Because IF the Christian is unforgiving, BECAUSE he has sexual sins, IF he goes and executes the adulteress, then that Christian WILL BE THROWN INTO HELL. He judged death, in spite of his own sin. He was not merciful, unto death. And he is therefore unforgiven by God - and God has PROMISED to damn him and not forgive him - EXACTLY THE STANDARD THAT THE CHRISTIAN APPLIED. Baptism and belief DOES NOT GRANT SALVATION. Obedience is required, and the debtor forgiven the great debt by the judge was hauled BACK before the judge and the forgiveness stripped away, and he was thrown into the dungeon to be tortured because AFTER his forgiveness, he did not forgive. Jesus said, explicitly, that the Father will do exactly the same thing to you. Christians who tell themselves that because they are Christians and baptized and believe, they are forgiven, are liars. They lie to themselves. Jesus never said that. Jesus said that the requirement for forgiveness was to forgive, and that if you do not forgive, God will not forgive you. JEsus did not make any exception for believers, and he was speaking TO believers. Unforgiving Christians all go to Hell, by choice. This is the reality of the universe. Christians need to stop dicking around about this and pretending there is any confusion: their very salvation is at stake. Nobody should be more concerned about prison reform and taking the harshness and injustice out of the criminal justice system than Christians, because AS WE JUDGE we are judged. And because we are all sinners, we cannot stand up to a standard of harsh scrutiny. Apply that logic to this case, and the answer is clear. People are embarrassed by nude pictures. They should be. But that is the extent of the issue under God's law: it's embarrassing and shameful. IF, then, an unstable person murders herself because of pictures, that murder is NOT the responsibility of the one who did the shameful thing, under God's law. It is HER responsibility alone. OUR LAW must not punish the guy who took the picture and that the girl let him take, or that she sent him. If she let's herself be photographed nude, she has done something shameful. If that is then circulated, she bears her shame. That is just. If she kills herself, that is her crime. The punishment for the other who circulated the pictures is to be shamed himself. Imprison him, though, and treat him like a killer, as our law may, and you have substituted a rule of wrath for God's law. And God help you if you do that. Christians have the duty to tell people when they are walking into Hell - and excessive punishments for ANYTHING are standing into hellfire. The law cannot be fierce. It must be, rather, aimed at correction, and full of mercy. Unless we want to burn in hell for enforcing our own hellish laws, and setting ourselves up to be judged by standards that we cannot meet, thereby destroying our own soul. In God's Israel there were no cell phones. If a girl showed herself nude to a boy, neither was to be stoned, or enslaved, or tortured, or burnt, or even fined. They were shamed. If they fornicated, and she was a virgin, then he was married to her for life, unless her father said no (if she was a minor). There is no penalty under God's law for nudity other than being ashamed. That's it. And THEREFORE there cannot be any harsher laws under mere human law than that, because if we impose harsher punishments for nothing, God will use that harsh standard to judge us for everything - and none of us can bear that. We must each understand that the standards we apply in our greatest wrath are the very standards that God is going to judge us by. If we cannot contain our wrath, then we must keep ourselves away from the reins of power whereby we may damn ourselves to hell. The degree to which Christians have to be mild, turn the other cheek, admonish and correct with words, but not impose by force punishments that exceed God's law - that degree is set by Christ. It's only "optional" in the sense that going to Heaven is optional. You can choose to be a judgmental and hard man, and if you do, you will not go to heaven and you will be thrown, by God, into Hell at judgment - just as Jesus promised - because you cannot survive judgment by your own standards. Remember, it is not judgment for men's laws by your standards - it is applying your standards of harshness to your violations of GOD'S law. Remember that liars - simply lying - is a hellfire offense. Lie, and burn in hell. Fornicate, and burn in Hell. Did you ever lie? Did you ever fornicate? Then you ate the forbidden fruit and you are doomed to the fire. The only way OUT is the way Jesus said: forgive others their sins, and God will forgive you yours. That's it. "...and forgive us our trespasses as [like/in the manner that/to the extent that] we forgive those who trespass against us." This is a rather huge part of Christian Salvation, and yet Christians are blundering into these harsh judgmental statements all the time. You'd think they didn't understand their own God. Maybe they just haven't thought about it before. Well, that's my mission: to make Christians see what God said, exactly as he said it, and make them open their eyes and stop destroying themselves while making a mess of their religion.
So why are we still posting to each other on the matter:) You just wrote a book!:) "The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8
I am posting to really irritate Christians. They need to be irritated, because they need to start scratching the itch. And when they wheel to confront me, and open up their Scriptures, they will realize that all I am doing is putting God's words - and some of them will open their eyes. Another place where I'm going to post, as soon as the article hits the board, is on that poor clerk who went to jail in Kentucky. This is another place where God's rules are quite different from the human rules - BOTH the secular ones AND the religious ones. And now that the secular, paganizing state has forced the confrontation, Christians literally MUST open their eyes to the real rule of God and stop fighting the wrong fight. To the extent they cling to traditions that are wrong, they sink with the evil culture. People need to stop sinking.
She went Taliban on her county, trying to impose her beliefs on the masses. There are still dozens of dry counties in Kentucky, imposed by those hard shell Baptists over a hundred years ago. I share many of your beliefs, for you and I as individuals. I have learned that others have a different set of standards/morals. I think they say that you can't legislate morality. Criminal laws, yes.
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#25. To: Deckard (#0)
There’s no evidence the photos were ever sent to anyone else, and police only became aware of them because they searched Copening’s phone for unrelated reasons that haven't been specified.
The charges stem from an incident that happened last October. The couple was charged in February, but Jack Britt High School officials said they were unaware of the charges until a couple of weeks ago.
Copening is charged with five counts of sexual exploitation of a minor. Officials said the incidents happened while he was a student at Douglas Byrd High.
The Fayetteville girl, Brianna Denson, was sexting with her boyfriend, Cormega Zyon Copening, the Sheriff's Office said. The agency hit Copening with five sexual exploitation of a minor charges - four for making and possessing two sexually explicit pictures of himself and the last for possessing a copy of the picture that Denson made for him.
#26. To: goldilucky (#20)
Damn, Liberator. Lighten up here. When I was 12 peers my age were already talking about sex and some were even getting it on then. Stop acting like such a prude and get with reality.
#27. To: Fred Mertz (#24)
(Edited)
Only in your perverted mind.
#28. To: Liberator (#27)
Your usual elequence[sic]...
#29. To: nolu chan, Deckard, Goldilucky, GrandIsland (#25)
(Edited)
Copening is charged with five counts of sexual exploitation of a minor. Officials said the incidents happened while he was a student at Douglas Byrd High.
#30. To: Fred Mertz (#28)
#31. To: Liberator (#21)
The starting QB -- apparently a prima donna who makes up his own rules
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#32. To: Liberator (#26)
You know NOTHING of this case, nor of the extent or circumstances other than what you are fed and swallowed whole. Reactionary COPS = BAD. Like a good little brainwashed pod.
#33. To: Liberator (#29)
#34. To: Deckard (#0)
There’s no evidence the photos were ever sent to anyone else
#35. To: Deckard (#0)
Lastly, it bears repeating that these teens were 17. If they had waited until they were 18 to send the photos, no crime would have occurred.
#36. To: Vicomte13 (#2)
The level of potential punishment is extremely disproportionate.
#37. To: misterwhite, liberator, Vicomte13, CZ82 (#4)
So private photos of an underage child are legal as long as you keep them private?
#38. To: Pinguinite, liberator, CZ82 (#12)
Even so, the teen—formerly the starting quarterback at his high school—faces decades on the Sex Offender Registry and up to ten years behind bars if convicted. He’s also been benched from the team while Jack Britt High School investigates the matter.
#39. To: Deckard, liberator (#17)
Neither of the two kids are predators.
#40. To: goldilucky (#20)
#41. To: nolu chan, CZ82, liberator (#25)
As speculation, he may have a collection of such girlfriend photos, going back a few years. This girlfriend may have become a cooperative witness.
#42. To: Liberator (#11)
the cops are only enforcing a LAW that protects minors from predators. Even MINOR predators
#43. To: redleghunter (#36)
#44. To: redleghunter (#38)
Actually, the above might help him get into U PENN and drafted by the Dallas Cowboys.
“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...
#45. To: CZ82 (#44)
#46. To: redleghunter (#40)
Do you have a daughter about the same age as this girl or at one time did?
#47. To: Fred Mertz (#46)
#48. To: redleghunter (#47)
#49. To: Vicomte13, redleghunter (#43)
Let us be very clear: these teenagers did something dumb and socially inappropriate, and that is all.
The investigations usually are into instances in which photos are shared among a group instead of just within a couple, he said. To his knowledge, Denson's and Copening's pictures weren't shared with anyone else. He said they were discovered during an investigation of other explicit photos that were being shared among teens without the consent of the person or persons pictured.
#50. To: nolu chan (#49)
#51. To: hondo68, sneakypete, A K A Stone, Excalibur, Operation 40, Orwellian Nightmare, Fred Mertz, misterwhite, redleghunter, GrandIsland, Liberator (#48)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#52. To: nolu chan (#49)
#53. To: redleghunter, Liberator (#39)
Teens can be just as wicked and abusive to their peers as adults...probably worse. These High Schools have become microcosms of vanity, cruelty and exploitation. One only has to flip the channels and see the programming for ABC 'Family' and Disney and a host of others. Media and corporations are 'meeting' the demands of these teenaged oversexed cretans. The kids who just want to go to school, learn, get good grades and play some sports or do some activities are bombarded daily with the oversexed culture in public schools. And some of the teachers encourage it.
“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...
#54. To: Deckard (#51)
Teen Boy Will Be Charged As Adult For Having Naked Pics of a Minor: Himself
#55. To: Vicomte13 (#43)
"Let us be very clear: these teenagers did something dumb and socially inappropriate, and that is all. The law should not be involved with this. And if it is, the law should be lenient and instructive to the teenagers, not barbaric and life ending."
#56. To: nolu chan (#49)
"He said they were discovered during an investigation of other explicit photos that were being shared among teens without the consent of the person or persons pictured."
#57. To: misterwhite (#55)
Yeah. Just like drunk driving. Hey, if no one was injured, no property damaged ... WTF? Right?
#58. To: Vicomte13 (#57)
#59. To: redleghunter (#40)
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#60. To: Vicomte13 (#57)
Yes. Like that, but much moreso, because drunk driving can kill people. Dumb pictures cannot. Sending nude pictures of each other is a far more trivial thing than driving a ton of metal while inebriated.
#61. To: redleghunter (#60)
The harsh laws stem from recent (within the past few years) events where young people/kids committed suicide because some idiot posted their photos on the internet.
#62. To: Vicomte13 (#61)
It is so clear. Truth: none of these things MATTER.
#63. To: redleghunter (#62)
#64. To: Vicomte13 (#63)
Another place where I'm going to post, as soon as the article hits the board, is on that poor clerk who went to jail in Kentucky. This is another place where God's rules are quite different from the human rules - BOTH the secular ones AND the religious ones.
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