politics and politicians
See other politics and politicians Articles
Title: Should Libertarians Vote Republican?
Source:
Lew Rockwell
URL Source: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/09 ... -libertarians-vote-republican/
Published: Sep 1, 2015
Author: Laurence M. Vance
Post Date: 2015-09-01 07:38:49 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 1279
Comments: 24
Constitutional conservatives, Reagan Republicans, and other conservative Republicans have no use for libertarians—except when it comes time for another election. Then they want the votes of libertarians. Although they shy away from the term “libertarian” in non-election years, they will describe themselves as libertarian-leaning when they want to sucker libertarians to vote for them on election day. There are two things that these libertarian-leaning Republicans can’t stand. The first is not voting and the second is voting for a third party. Many libertarians simply don’t vote. They know that the system is rigged. They know that you have a greater chance of being killed in a car accident on the way to the polls than of your vote making any difference. They know that there is not a dime’s worth of difference between the two major parties. They know that most elections are simply contests between tweedledum and tweedledee, socialist A and national socialist B, or socialist A and fascist B. They know that even though Republicans use libertarian rhetoric, they are welfare/warfare statists just like Democrats. They know that voting for candidate D or R is like voting for Hitler to keep out Stalin or voting for Stalin to keep out Hitler. They know that voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil. They agree with Noam Chomsky that “if voting could actually change anything, it would be illegal,” with Mark Twain that “if voting made a difference, they wouldn’t let us do it,” with Charles Bukowski that “the difference between a democracy and a dictatorship is that in a democracy you vote first and take orders later; in a dictatorship you don’t have to waste your time voting,” with H. L. Mencken that “every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods,” and with whoever said that voting just encourages the bastards. They know that only way to vote against crook A and crook B is to not vote. And libertarian Christians know that the Bible says: “Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil” (Exodus 23:2). Many libertarians vote for a third party. Obviously, the Libertarian Party is their first choice. However, if no libertarian candidate is running for a particular office, they might vote for another third party, even if they don’t agree with its platform, just to send a message to the Democratic and Republican Parties that they despise them. Democrats and Republicans both say that voting for a third party is wasting your vote since a third party has almost no chance of winning. But not only that, Democrats and Republicans both say or imply that you should never vote for a third party because it takes votes away from them. Republicans especially will point to particular elections that they say Republicans would have won if the Libertarian Party candidate had not siphoned off votes from the Republican Party candidate. What they are really saying, of course, is that Republicans would have won these elections if they weren’t indistinguishable from Democrats. More than anything else, Republicans want libertarians to vote for them. They know that liberals, Democrats, progressives, and other socialists will never vote Republican. They would rather vote for an Obama or a Hillary than a Republican. But why should libertarians vote Republican? Yes, it keeps those evil Democrats out of office. But then it just gives us evil Republicans. The Republican Party stands for everything libertarians oppose. Here are twenty-five things off the top of my head: And judging from the reaction of Republicans to the Iran deal, I don’t think they would have a problem with killing Persians in Iran. Are there individual Republicans who oppose some of these things? Certainly. But not many, and only a few things. But what about all the Republican talk about the Constitution, the free market, free enterprise, limited government, smaller government, less regulation, balanced budgets, lower taxes, property rights, and fiscal conservatism? Is it all just lies and hot air? In a word, yes. Okay, okay, okay, say Republicans, enough already. But you libertarians should at least vote for a Republican for president so he can nominate conservative Supreme Court justices and Republicans in the Senate so they can confirm the nominations. Is that so? Three of the most significant Supreme Court decisions in my lifetime that didn’t turn out how Republicans wanted were: The swing vote in all three cases was a Republican appointee: Harry Blackmon, John Roberts, and Anthony Kennedy. And why did only three Republicans in the Senate back in 1993 vote against the confirmation of the most radical leftist on the Supreme Court, Ruth Bader Ginsburg? Libertarians would have to be out of their mind to vote Republican.
Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest
#1. To: Deckard (#0)
HELL no! Don't associate with misfits and do-nothings in that political party.
Posted by a poster that "can't vote anymore"... so why do we need you at all? And when you sneak in that voting booth and pull the lever for commie Sanders... nobody has to know. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
If the Republicans ever need 2% of voters to put them over the top ... there are probably better blocs of voters to go after. His list of "25 things off the top of his head" left out open borders -- a big Libertarian position and right now a big issue with the voters. Just an oversight, I guess. Nope. As usual, legalizing drugs are at the top of the list.
I can vote - I choose not to for the reasons I explained to you before. And when you sneak in that voting booth and pull the lever for commie Sanders... You are the very definition of a brainwashed sheeple. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much Have no fear, most of the AGENDA posters will have a clear choice for open borders. Sanders has made it clear he plans on kissing and smooching each filthy illegal and bringing over another 10 million.... plus Sanders hates those pesky rich people... and as a bonus, Sanders will help legalize drugs. All they gotta do is take it in the can with gun control and bigger government... they were closer to libtards than conservatives from the get. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Then why post articles eliciting conservative support for the Liberalterian party? You are a liar. And even your other AGENDA buddies here know it. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Wow! If I'm a Libertarian, Sanders has got my vote.
O'l Freddy Mertz must have a perpetual chubby, now that Shitlary's been kicked in her man hating libtarded twat until her nose started to bleed. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Huh? Utterly clueless you are. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much Code for... You're full of shit and embarrassed... let's toss an insult and hope nobody noticed. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Bernie Sanders is pro second amendment and voted against the Brady Bill, etc... attack ad aired by the pro-Martin O’Malley Super Pac Generation Forward: Who knew we needed a debate on gun safety in a Democratic primary? We need a DEMOCRATIC nominee that has a proven record on protecting us over the profits of the gun industry. We hear a lot of talk about standing up to the powerful interests, but Martin O'Malley is the only candidate who passed winning solutions by taking on the most powerful lobby in America- the CEOs of the Gun Industry. You can't claim to soak the fat boys and exempt the profiteers in the gun industry. The banks and the gun industry are the twin pillars of our bankrupt political system - Protecting profits and endangering the rest of us. Uh - no. Another "assumption" on your part taken from your sheeple "code" book. Refuse to vote? That's code for felon. Against the drug war? That's code for meth-head. Critical of Republicans? You must be a libturd. Critical of cops who abuse their authority? Code for "you must be a criminal". Against the police state? Code for "terrorist". You're a one trick pony sport, and your refusal to even try to understand how your mind has been conditioned to believe that the two parties represent any actual difference in their goals and agendas makes you a simpleton. No different than yukon actually - just a slightly larger vocabulary. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much Is it all just lies and hot air? No, -- libertarian principles have always been part of republican ideology. RINO prohibitionists/authoritarians successfully took over the party apparatus over 100 years ago, and rational Republican/libertarians have been fighting them ever since.
"Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) on gun control: “I do not accept the fact that I have been weak on this issue. In fact, I have been strong on this issue. And, in fact, coming from a rural state which has almost no gun control, I think I can get beyond the noise and all of these arguments and people shouting at each other and come up with real, constructive gun control legislation which, most significantly, gets guns out of the hands of people who should not have them.” There you go, lying again. O'l Bernie feels we need more gun laws... he's been living up his D- rating to be loved by the (D) libtard party. I'll add you to the long list of AGENDA posters that finally told the rest of the forum just what I've suspected all along... you are a ducking filthy commie lover. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
54 Republicans voted for the Brady Bill. Independent Bernie Sanders voted NAY! If those 54 had been Americans instead of Republicans, the Brady Bill would have been defeated. You're a shill for the gun grabbing Republicans. Look at all those YEA New York Republicans ( www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/103-1993/h564 ) gun grabbers! You'd vote for any of them, just because there's an R after their name. Did you? Always figured Bernie Sanders was to the right of many posters here. 8-)
You don't absorb what you read unless you or some other kook wrote it. The two parties SUCK... I'm a registered independent. Stop with the broken two party record shit. Nobody is buying your Alex Jones Kool-Aid. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
This was stated by him LONG AFTER the "Brady Bill" "Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) on gun control: “I do not accept the fact that I have been weak on this issue. In fact, I have been strong on this issue. And, in fact, coming from a rural state which has almost no gun control, I think I can get beyond the noise and all of these arguments and people shouting at each other and come up with real, constructive gun control legislation which, most significantly, gets guns out of the hands of people who should not have them.” "Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) on gun control: “I do not accept the fact that I have been weak on this issue. In fact, I have been strong on this issue. And, in fact, coming from a rural state which has almost no gun control, I think I can get beyond the noise and all of these arguments and people shouting at each other and come up with real, constructive gun control legislation which, most significantly, gets guns out of the hands of people who should not have them.” "Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) on gun control: “I do not accept the fact that I have been weak on this issue. In fact, I have been strong on this issue. And, in fact, coming from a rural state which has almost no gun control, I think I can get beyond the noise and all of these arguments and people shouting at each other and come up with real, constructive gun control legislation which, most significantly, gets guns out of the hands of people who should not have them.” I posted it 3 times so you absorb it... he feels we need more gun laws... and he isn't in favor of AR type rifles.... AND HE WANTS TO INVITE EVERY FILTHY SMELLY GREASY FUCKING MEXICAN INTO MY COUNTRY WITH CITIZENSHIP. You should be shot for voting for this socialist pile of shit. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
VERY FILTHY SMELLY GREASY FUCKING MEXICAN You should be shot yukon always pretended to be an independent too. In this context.. Independent = queer authoritarian neocon progressive Republican. Spoken like a true Hillary/Jeb!/Biden shill, race pimp. You wuz hacked by Al Sharpton! You're a blowhard progressive punk. A self defeating attitude. "The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8
That's the funniest shit I've read so far Commie Sanders lover. I registered independent when I moved to Pa last August... it was done at PenDot, where I got my state drivers license. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
You mean like he pretended not to post homo porn?? You mean like he pretended not to post homo porn?? " I was fortunate that I never did see that, but heard about it. I am guessing that if he posted it, they were probably selfies . Si vis pacem, para bellum
#2. To: Deckard (#0)
Constitutional conservatives, Reagan Republicans, and other conservative Republicans have no use for libertarians—except when it comes time for another election.
#3. To: Deckard (#0)
"Should Libertarians Vote Republican?"
#4. To: GrandIsland (#2)
(Edited)
Posted by a poster that "can't vote anymore"...
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#5. To: misterwhite (#3)
His list of "25 things off the top of his head" left out open borders -- a big Libertarian position and right now a big issue with the voters. Just an oversight, I guess.
#6. To: Deckard (#4)
I can vote - I choose not to for the reasons I explained to you before.
#7. To: GrandIsland (#5)
#8. To: misterwhite (#7)
Wow! If I'm a Libertarian, Sanders has got my vote.
#9. To: GrandIsland (#6)
Then why post articles eliciting conservative support for the Liberalterian party?
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#10. To: Deckard (#9)
Utterly clueless you are.
#11. To: GrandIsland, Deckard (#5)
(Edited)
take it in the can with gun control and bigger government...
You're going to have a bad day, when you try to confiscate Bernie's guns! 
Bernie Sanders: Gun Nut – Or Politician?
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#12. To: GrandIsland (#10)
Code for... You're full of shit and embarrassed...
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#13. To: Y'ALL (#0)
--- what about all the Republican talk about the Constitution, the free market, free enterprise, limited government, smaller government, less regulation, balanced budgets, lower taxes, property rights, and fiscal conservatism?
#14. To: hondo68 (#11)
Bernie Sanders is pro second amendment and voted against the Brady Bill, etc... You're going to have a bad day, when you try to confiscate Bernie's guns!
#15. To: GrandIsland (#14)
www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/103-1993/h564
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#16. To: hondo68 (#15)
#17. To: Deckard (#12)
You're a one trick pony sport, and your refusal to even try to understand how your mind has been conditioned to believe that the two parties
#18. To: hondo68 (#15)
#19. To: GrandIsland, faux conservative, libtard thug, progressive punk (#18)
K... I'm a registered independent
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#20. To: Deckard (#0)
Many libertarians simply don’t vote. They know that the system is rigged.
#21. To: hondo68 (#19)
Spoken like a true Hillary/Jeb!/Biden
#22. To: hondo68 (#19)
yukon always pretended to be an independent too.
“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...
#23. To: CZ82 (#22)
" yukon always pretended to be an independent too.
#24. To: Stoner (#23)
I was fortunate that I never did see that, but heard about it. I am guessing that if he posted it, they were probably selfies .
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest
[Home] [Headlines] [Latest Articles] [Latest Comments] [Post] [Mail] [Sign-in] [Setup] [Help] [Register]