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Title: The 'Birmingham Koran' fragment that could shake Islam after carbon-dating suggests it is OLDER than the Prophet Muhammad
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Daily Mail Online
URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... het-Muhammad-scholars-say.html
Published: Aug 31, 2015
Author: Jennifer Newton
Post Date: 2015-08-31 07:29:52 by cranky
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Views: 5387
Comments: 35
Fragments of the world's oldest Koran, found in Birmingham last month, may predate the Prophet Muhammad and could even rewrite the early history of Islam, according to scholars. The pages, thought to be between 1,448 and 1,371 years old, were discovered bound within the pages of another Koran from the late seventh century at the library of the University of Birmingham. Written in ink in an early form of Arabic script on parchment made from animal skin, the pages contain parts of the Suras, or chapters, 18 to 20, which may have been written by someone who actually knew the Prophet Muhammad - founder of the Islamic faith. Scroll down for video Discovery: Fragments of what is believed to be the world's oldest Koran. Several historians have said it could even predate the Prophet Muhammad The pages were carbon-dated by experts at the University of Oxford, a process which showed the Islamic holy book manuscript could be the oldest Koran in the world. The discovery was said to be particularly significant as in the early years of Islam, the Koran was thought to have been memorised and passed down orally rather written. But now several historians have said that the parchment might even predate Muhammad. It is believed that the Birmingham Koran was produced between 568AD and 645AD, while the dates usually given for Muhammad are between 570AD and 632AD. Historian Tom Holland, told the Times: 'It destabilises, to put it mildly, the idea that we can know anything with certainty about how the Koran emerged - and that in turn has implications for the history of Muhammad and the Companions.' Keith Small, from the University of Oxford's Bodleian Library, added: 'This gives more ground to what have been peripheral views of the Koran's genesis, like that Muhammad and his early followers used a text that was already in existence and shaped it to fit their own political and theological agenda, rather than Muhammad receiving a revelation from heaven. The pages were carbon dated by experts at the University of Oxford, which showed it could be the oldest Koran in the world 
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#1. To: cranky (#0)
What it mostly does, is cast into doubt the accuracy of carbon dating. It is already known (among professionals) to be a relatively unreliable way to date things. This is merely an example of that.
True. What is hilarious is the dating is a few years left and right of the historical account of Muhammad's life.
Not really. Given the problems of dating a 1400yo text now, a few decades of margin of error in the dating is quite significant and entirely possible. If this document had been located and tested decades back, we would have a much more accurate assessment of its true dating and might discover that it predates Muhammad or that the dates of his rule are inaccurate. As it is, we can have no certainty and no hope for improvements in dating accuracy.
I'm glad you agree. Take a look at the dates. 2 years to the left and 15 to the right. My point was to make such a statment as these scholars claim, is ridiculous. The overlapping dates are insignificant...especially the later dates.
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#14. To: Vicomte13 (#1)
What it mostly does, is cast into doubt the accuracy of carbon dating. It is already known (among professionals) to be a relatively unreliable way to date things. This is merely an example of that.
#18. To: redleghunter (#14)
What is hilarious is the dating is a few years left and right of the historical account of Muhammad's life.
#22. To: TooConservative (#18)
Not really. Given the problems of dating a 1400yo text now, a few decades of margin of error in the dating is quite significant and entirely possible. If this document had been located and tested decades back, we would have a much more accurate assessment of its true dating and might discover that it predates Muhammad or that the dates of his rule are inaccurate. As it is, we can have no certainty and no hope for improvements in dating accuracy.
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