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Title: Could Trump be preparing to name a running mate who makes him look like a safe pair of hands? Rumors swill that Sarah Palin is in the frame - despite 2008 disaster
Source: Daily Mail Online
URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... ame-despite-2008-disaster.html
Published: Aug 29, 2015
Author: Khaleda Rahman For Mailonline
Post Date: 2015-08-29 09:17:40 by cranky
Keywords: None
Views: 17667
Comments: 176

  • Gaffe-prone former Alaska governor has heaped praise on Trump recently
  • In interview, she has fawned over Trump, praising him for his 'strength'
  • And The Donald has said he would love 'special' Palin as his running mate

Sarah Palin could be joining Donald Trump’s presidential ticket in a dream celebrity pairing for the Republican Party.

The gaffe-prone former Alaska governor has heaped praise on Trump in recent interviews, adding that he is doing a great job of ‘shaking it up the way it should be’.

Now, it appears Palin, 51, could be entering another presidential race, returning to the same role she had in 2008 alongside John McCain – but this time as Trump’s running mate.

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Sarah Palin was asking Trump how he deals with media bias when she congratulated him for 'schooling' anchor Jorge Ramos, branding him a 'dangerous activist' for shouting questions at Trump

Sarah Palin was asking Trump how he deals with media bias when she congratulated him for 'schooling' anchor Jorge Ramos, branding him a 'dangerous activist' for shouting questions at Trump

Speaking to Extra TV, Palin said: ‘He is just getting crucified out there just for telling the truth. He’s doing a good job of that.’

She added: ‘He’s leading other candidates and having to talk about the issues that average Joe Six-Pack American wants to hear and wants to talk about.’

The Donald sparked rumors last month by saying he would ‘love’ to have Palin as a running mate.

‘She really is somebody who knows what's happening and she's a special person.’

And Palin fueled speculation further by deflecting questions on whether she would like to join the Trump ticket.

Trump also spoke about a tax crackdown on hedge fund managers and pledged to simplify the tax code for the middle class, who he said are being 'treated horribly'

Trump also spoke about a tax crackdown on hedge fund managers and pledged to simplify the tax code for the middle class, who he said are being 'treated horribly'

‘Well, there are so many good potential female running mates out there, and male running mates,’ she said.

Republican Party strategist Rick Wilson described the Trump and Palin's pairing as a 'singularity of celebrity politics'.

'Donald Trump is not a rational political actor and so the things you might expect of a rational political actor are not the sort of thing you should expect of Donald Trump, he told The Telegraph.

'So the truth is that any damn thing is possible with that man.'

Palin also leapt to Trump’s defence recently, when she hit out at Univision anchor Jorge Ramos during an interview, branding him a 'dangerous activist'.

Speaking about Ramos being ejected from a press conference for shouting questions about immigration, Palin told Trump: 'You sure schooled that radical activist. He's not doing that again.'

Palin made her remarks while asking Trump about the unfair treatment she claimed conservatives receive from the media, asking him whether he felt he was treated badly over the incident.

Trump reminded Palin that he is currently suing Univision for $500million after cancelling his Miss Teen USA pageant following his remarks on Mexicans when he launched his campaign.

He added: 'The press was actually quite good to me on that one, he was screaming and ranting and raving. I actually didn't know who he was at first.

'I would gladly have answered his question but he spoke out of turn. He was hurting the rest because the room was packed and they were waiting for questions.'

During another bizarre exchange, Palin asked Trump how he became 'strong' enough to deal with harsh questions - including when he was asked about his favorite Bible passage.

He replied: 'I love the Bible, I'm a Presbyterian. They were hitting me with questions one after another and then they said “what's your favorite verse?”

Among the other topics up for discussion were the Bible, which Trump said he loves more than his own book, and veterans, who Trump again pledged to protect

Among the other topics up for discussion were the Bible, which Trump said he loves more than his own book, and veterans, who Trump again pledged to protect

'That's a very personal thing, I don't like giving that out to people I hardly know. There are certain things that you and myself and a lot of other people like to keep personal.

'But I love the Bible. Somebody once held up The Art Of The Deal and I said "that's my second favorite book".'

The former running-mate to John McCain was quizzing GOP frontrunner Trump as part of a segment on One America News this evening.

As well as reiterating his pledges to properly support American veterans, Trump also spoke about plans to decrease taxes for the middle class.

The business mogul, who has previously boasted of his wealth, said that he would back a crackdown on hedge fund managers, who he says make huge profits 'but are hardly paying any tax'.

He added: 'We have a complex tax code that nobody understands. People have to spend tremendous amounts of money for accountants and lawyers.

'I'm in favour of simplifying the code and getting rid of reductions. You have to simplify the code.

'We have to help the middle class, the country was built on the middle class. They have so much to do with what we have now and they are being treated horribly.'

THE QUEEN OF BLUNDERS: SARAH PALIN'S BIGGEST GAFFES

Sarah Palin's (pictured with former running mate John McCain) campaign in 2008 was filled with gaffes

Sarah Palin's (pictured with former running mate John McCain) campaign in 2008 was filled with gaffes

Sarah Palin's vice-presidential campaign in 2008 was riddled with highly embarrassing blunders - mainly for her running mate John McCain.

She notoriously failed to name a single newspaper or magazine that she reads in an interview ith Katie Couric.

Palin said: 'I’ve read most of them again with a great appreciation for the press, for the media.'

But when Couric pressed for specific publications, Palin flubbed: 'Um, all of 'em, any of 'em that, um, have, have been in front of me over all these years.'

In another notable faux pas, she floundered through questions on the price of oil and the economy in Thanksgiving interview - in front of a man chopping off turkey heads.

Geography is definitely not Palin's strong suit.

In October 2008, she told supporters at a fundraising event in San Francisco: 'They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan.'

Palin waded into the controversy over a mosque planned near Ground Zero in New York in 2010.

She took to Twitter to say: 'Ground Zero Mosque supporters: doesn't it stab you in the heart, as it does ours throughout the heartland? Peaceful Muslims, pls refudiate.'

The tweet was later deleted, likely when she realized 'refudiate' is not a word.

In a radio interview in November 2010, Sarah Palin was asked how the United States should respond to the escalating tension between North and South Korea.

She replied: 'Obviously, we've got to stand with our North Korean allies.'

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#1. To: cranky (#0)

My problem with Palin is a singular issue. Why would a potential US government official wear a flag demonstrating solidarity to another nation?

I wonder if Trump is going to bow down to Israel covering up his infamous hair-doo with one of those ridiculous Jewish skull caps, too?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-08-29   11:03:55 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: buckeroo (#1)

"Why would a potential US government official wear a flag demonstrating solidarity to another nation?"

First, I see two flags there. Second, do you think the Vice-President sets foreign policy?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-29   11:12:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: buckeroo (#1)

Why would a potential US government official wear a flag demonstrating solidarity to another nation?

Very interesting question.

I have no clue.

There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't

cranky  posted on  2015-08-29   11:16:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: cranky (#0)

"Gaffe-prone former Alaska governor has heaped praise on Trump recently"

So has Ann Coulter. Does that mean she might be his running mate?

Geez Louise. Does the Daily Mail need to publish rumors and speculation about Trump because there's nothing else about Trump to report on?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-29   11:19:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: misterwhite (#2)

First, I see two flags there.

Quit playing possum, Jethro. It is ONE flag united.

Second, do you think the Vice-President sets foreign policy?

Being a potential US government bureaucrat at a top level places her opinions into influential spheres of all sorts, to include the perpetuation of dual citizenship that the US government should clearly rescind.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-08-29   11:22:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: buckeroo (#5)

"Quit playing possum, Jethro. It is ONE flag united."

It is one pin with two separate and distinct flags. And this means what again?

"Being a potential US government bureaucrat at a top level places her opinions into influential spheres of all sorts"

I see. Give me one of Joe Biden's opinions that Obama implemented.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-29   11:41:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: misterwhite (#4)

Does the Daily Mail need to publish rumors and speculation about Trump because there's nothing else about Trump to report on?

They do it because their management despises Palin and Trump and decided to take off the gloves.

They did the same thing to Romney.

There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't

cranky  posted on  2015-08-29   11:42:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: cranky (#0)

Palin hit the top of her career when she won the Miss Wasilla beauty contest.

rlk  posted on  2015-08-29   11:47:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: misterwhite (#6)

It is one pin with two separate and distinct flags. And this means what again?

Since the US government already donates about 3 BILLION dollars of US citizenry hardearned tax dollars to Israel on an annual basis, it could be inferred that a foreign government means more than the US domestic government. Do we donate more to that losing cause? Do we make them a new state?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-08-29   11:49:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: misterwhite (#6)

I see. Give me one of Joe Biden's opinions that Obama implemented.

Sodomy marriage. Biden really ticked off Obama by coming out publicly for it months ahead of Obama.

If it wasn't for Biden, it isn't certain that Obama would have moved that strongly on the marriage cases. Biden forced Obama's hand, perhaps unwittingly.

Biden is just as strong a Lefty as Obama. While in the Senate, Obama was the most Left senator and Biden was #2. Even Sanders was only #3 or #4.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-29   11:55:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: cranky (#7)

"They do it because their management despises Palin and Trump and decided to take off the gloves."

It's called, "Let's raise it up the flagpole and see if anyone salutes it".

It's also called lazy reporting.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-29   11:58:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: TooConservative (#10)

"Biden really ticked off Obama by coming out publicly for it months ahead of Obama."

Is that what Buckeroo meant when he said Palin's opinion might influence a President Trump? That she would blurt out something like "Israel is going to be our 51st state"?

All Biden did was pre-announce Obama's "evolving" opinion. It changed nothing. Obama didn't have the power to do anything about gay marriage.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-29   12:22:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: misterwhite (#12)

All Biden did was pre-announce Obama's "evolving" opinion. It changed nothing. Obama didn't have the power to do anything about gay marriage.

Obama was for it all along, from his time as a state senator in Illinois in the Nineties when he advocated for it regularly, just as he opposed the Born Alive legislation there after the partial birth scandal in Illinois. Always the most radical, the most Left. He only toned this down when he ran for prez.

However, there were no signs that the Obama crew and the Dems would push for gay marriage until Biden came right out suddenly for it. Initially, Obama kind of distanced himself and wouldn't agree with Biden (publicly). But after a few weeks, apparently the polls looked good so Obama joined Biden and kind of resented him for grabbing the glory.

I was just pointing out that, on one issue, Biden took the lead. And how petty Obama looked resenting him for it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-29   12:46:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: misterwhite (#6)

Give me one of Joe Biden's opinions that Obama implemented.

The emperor unintentionally divided Iraq into 3 nations ,as Biden suggested should be done when he ran in 2008.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2015-08-29   12:59:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: misterwhite (#12)

All Biden did was pre-announce Obama's "evolving" opinion. It changed nothing. Obama didn't have the power to do anything about gay marriage.

gotta agree with you there. The emperor had every intention of coming out once he thought it was politically safe to do so .

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2015-08-29   13:03:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: rlk (#8)

Palin hit the top of her career when she won the Miss Wasilla beauty contest.

you can only wish you achieve as much in your career as Palin has done with hers.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2015-08-29   13:06:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: TooConservative (#13)

"However, there were no signs that the Obama crew and the Dems would push for gay marriage until Biden came right out suddenly for it."

Obama hinted at it in October 2010 when he said "attitudes evolve, including mine" ... though he still didn't endorse same-sex marriage.

But in 2012, Obama could have simply said, "I have no idea what Biden's talking about" -- unless, of course, Obama had been thinking the same thing.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-29   13:06:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: tomder55 (#14)

"The emperor unintentionally divided Iraq into 3 nations ,as Biden suggested should be done when he ran in 2008."

Biden proposed three semi-autonomous regions within Iraq with a central government in Baghdad. Obama's inaction is allowing that to happen.

Continued inaction may result in three separate nations.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-29   13:32:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: cranky (#0)

Could Trump be preparing to name a running mate who makes him look like a safe pair of hands? Rumors swill that Sarah Palin is in the frame - despite 2008 disaster

No way. That is simply put.

Justified  posted on  2015-08-29   13:34:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: TooConservative, misterwhite (#13)

I was just pointing out that, on one issue, Biden took the lead.

OK, if you believe that floating a trial balloon for you boss is taking the lead.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-08-29   13:39:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: SOSO (#20)

"OK, if you believe that floating a trial balloon for you boss is taking the lead."

Biden stuck his head outside the door, nobody shot it off, so Obama then stepped outside.

What the Democrats call "leadership".

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-29   13:51:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: cranky, LF (#0)

1) Author: Khaleda Rahman

Author is a Muslim radical writing for the Daily Mail -- a liberal-left rag -- DISQUALIFIED

2) (THE QUEEN OF BLUNDERS: SARAH PALIN'S BIGGEST GAFFES)

The well-documented gaffs of Hitlery, ZERO, and Uncle Joe Biden are LEGEND and EPIC. But for now, let's address THIS particular lame hit. Sarah Palin's so-called "gaffs" were either petty BS, GOTCHA! questions, or over-exaggerated desperation in marginalizing a conservative who is TRUSTED. Seven years later, Palin STILL lives in the heads of the Left AND the reptilian GOPe, as well as their media surrogates.

3) "Rumors swill (HA! "Swill"?? The author is guzzling fermented camel urine again) that Sarah Palin is in the frame - despite 2008 disaster"

Let the wishful thinking and lies of Leftist "reporting" be corrected; FACT: The 2008 (Vice) Presidential campaign was a stunning victory for Palin personally as well as for the conservative demo.

If not for a John GOPe McCain who purposely sandbagged and pulled the plug campaign as soon as polls in Sept revealed he was actually shockingly LEADING 0buma slightly, HE and NOT 0buma would have won the election -- spearheaded by the one and only reason for his unlikely surge: SARAH PALIN

In Palin, as well as in Trump, the delusional Left -- as well as the Establishment Vichy Republicans -- are fearful of fear-less popular conservative, un-PC warriors. Like Trump and Palin. A piece like this from the Daily Mail is like a weather vane.

The worse-case scenario for the Uni-Party: The People will demonstrate a will, conviction, and monumental turn-out to REJECT the status quo of voting....FOR POLITICIANS.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-29   15:28:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: misterwhite, buckeroo (#2)

First, I see two flags there. Second, do you think the Vice-President sets foreign policy?

Yes, Bucky actually believes Veeps set policy AND that Sarah Palin would because an Israeli satellite state.

*eyeball roll*

The degree of effective brainwashing of our own citizenry, and political myopia makes ANY chance our Republic is once again governed by the sane extremely low.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-29   15:32:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: misterwhite, All (#21)

What the Democrats call "leadership".

Ah, a form of leading from behind. The DRats are great at that.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-08-29   15:34:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: cranky, buckeroo (#3)

("Why would a potential US government official wear a flag demonstrating solidarity to another nation?")

Very interesting question.

It'd ONLY be an interesting question if:

Instead of sh*tting ones Depends over Palin sporting a tiny reminder of solidarity with a nation battling surrounding Muzzie-Barbarianism, the question were about US government officials making American soldiers drape their uniforms in their own blood....

...OR the "interesting" question as to why American military have been ordered to bleed, sacrifice and die because of dopey RoE WHILE ordered to defend Muzzies from *other* Muzzies; THIS WHILE stealing trillions of US Taxpayers money in assets, equipment, and cash and handed it over US defense contractors, Iraq, Afghanistan, ISIS, and other Muzzie terrorist groups since 2003.

So Buck -- where's your "interesting question" as to why 0buma and YOUR gubmint have now promised the blood-thirsty Iran millions to inspect their own nuke plants? Meanwhile you and some other Lost-in-Space cadets are fascinated by a question of loyalty with respect to Palin's Israel-US pin? Funny. REAL funny.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-29   15:49:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: misterwhite (#6)

It is one pin with two separate and distinct flags. And this means what again?

According to Palin during an interview when she was still the Governor of Alaska and was asked why she had the flag of Israel flying in her office along with the US and the Alaska flags,she said she flew it to show her support of/solidarity with Israel. It's the "Born again" in her.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-29   15:49:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: cranky (#7)

They do it because their management despises Palin and Trump and decided to take off the gloves.

They did the same thing to Romney.

Who doesn't despise Romney?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-29   15:50:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: buckeroo (#5)

Being a potential US government bureaucrat at a top level places her opinions into influential spheres of all sorts, to include the perpetuation of dual citizenship that the US government should clearly rescind.

Have you been Robinson Crusoe since the year 2000? Have you ANY clue what 0buma, Bush, and the US State Dept have been up to since 9/11? Naaah.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-29   15:51:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: sneakypete (#26)

According to Palin during an interview when she was still the Governor of Alaska and was asked why she had the flag of Israel flying in her office along with the US and the Alaska flags,she said she flew it to show her support of/solidarity with Israel. It's the "Born again" in her.

Yeah...and your point?

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-29   15:51:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: cranky, misterwhite (#7)

They do it because their management despises Palin and Trump and decided to take off the gloves.

They did the same thing to Romney.

Except the gloves were taken off during Presidential patsy Romney's fake campaign. What's their excuse for launching their ICBM at Palin....NOW? It makes them look....scared. AND petty. That's a good sign.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-29   15:54:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Liberator, misterwhite (#23) (Edited)

First, I see two flags there. Second, do you think the Vice-President sets foreign policy?

Yes, Bucky actually believes Veeps set policy AND that Sarah Palin would because an Israeli satellite state.

*eyeball roll*

Are the two of you so slow that you don't understand that VP's have a history of running for president,or that VP's from successful administrations even win elections? That's how that evil bastard Poppy Bush got into office. He rode Reagan's coattails.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-29   15:54:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Liberator (#29)

Yeah...and your point?

That her first loyalty is to Israel,just like every other Born Again loon.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-29   15:57:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: rlk (#8)

Palin hit the top of her career when she won the Miss Wasilla beauty contest.

You mean her campaigning that energized and brought millions of people to the polls and ALMOST shoved a reticent GOPe patsy like McCain over the top...was something YOU could have done?

You're clueless sometimes, bordering on monumental stupidity. Palin almost single-handedly won a Presidential campaign...AS A VP.

Btw -- tell us all about your Mayoral career; Governorship, and your vice-Presidency. I'm ALL ears, Yoda.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-29   15:58:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: sneakypete (#32)

That her first loyalty is to Israel,just like every other Born Again loon.

Sometime on the Amps of Cluelessness & Idiocy, your dials hit a -100. Congrats.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-29   16:00:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: TooConservative (#10) (Edited)

If it wasn't for Biden, it isn't certain that 0buma would have moved that strongly on the marriage cases. Biden forced 0buma's hand, perhaps unwittingly.

You can't be serious.

The entire Presidency of 0dinga has been scripted like a Broadway play. OR, rather like a war. To believe ANY decision the Leftist-Muz-Symp puppet has made was influenced by Biden (never mind "forced") is just comical. Biden's special brand of lunacy and cluelessness has NEVER had any legit input as a part of ANY the 'Destroy America Game Plan.' Uncle Joe himself has been a mere prop, a puppet, himself.

ZERO had ALWAYS supported homofacsism, subversiveness, and anarchy across the board. In other words, ANYTHING that destroys America's institutions, culture, and identity.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-29   16:08:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: sneakypete, misterwhite (#31)

Are the two of you so slow that you don't understand that VP's have a history of running for president,or that VP's from successful administrations even win elections?

Yeah...and...so (again.)

Oh, but wait -- according to YOU, Palin would turn the US into Israel's vassal-state, and create an EO that enforces all Americans to wear a Yarmulke.

Gotta give you credit. When you hijack the Crazy-Train, the cliff is never far away.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-29   16:14:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Liberator (#22) (Edited)

The 2008 (Vice) Presidential campaign was a stunning victory for Palin personally as well as for the conservative demo.

Game Change (2012)

Summer, 2008: John McCain secures the nomination, but polls behind Barack Obama. Strategist Steve Schmidt suggests a game changer: picking a conservative female with media savvy, unknown Alaska governor Sarah Palin, as vice president. She's an immediate hit and a quick study - the gap closes.

Then, Tina Fey's impersonation, a raft of criticism, and missing her family send Palin into a near-catatonic state: she doesn't prepare for her Katie Couric interview and bombs.

Schmidt searches for an answer: don't expect her to learn the issues, but give her a script. Palin does well in the debate with Biden; she finds her voice, goes off script, and goes rogue.

******

BTW - the relevant players who are portrayed in this well documented account of the 2008 campaign have said that the facts portrayed in this movie were accurate.

Palin was a train wreck.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

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Deckard  posted on  2015-08-29   16:36:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: cranky (#0)

Sarah Palin could be joining Donald Trump’s presidential ticket in a dream celebrity pairing for the Republican Party.

Better choice than Oprah I suppose.

It would get him the votes from the clueless rubes who still think Palin is a political genius.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-08-29   16:43:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Liberator (#30)

Except the gloves were taken off during Presidential patsy Romney's fake campaign.

That's true.

Point taken.

There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't

cranky  posted on  2015-08-29   17:18:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Liberator (#34)

That her first loyalty is to Israel,just like every other Born Again loon.

Sometime on the Amps of Cluelessness & Idiocy, your dials hit a -100. Congrats.

Are you a Born Again?

yes or no?

If you are,do you believe that the Jews are God's Chosen People,and that Isreal belongs to them and that makes Israel more important than America?

Yes,or no?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-29   17:26:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Liberator (#36)

Oh, but wait -- according to YOU, Palin would turn the US into Israel's vassal-state, and create an EO that enforces all Americans to wear a Yarmulke.

Kinda got you in a panic,don't I?

I must have hit a sensitive spot.

Gotta give you credit. When you hijack the Crazy-Train, the cliff is never far away.

Which one of us believes in magic and miracles?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-29   17:29:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Deckard (#37)

Palin does well in the debate with Biden; she finds her voice, goes off script, and goes rogue.

And EVERY time she "went rogue",McLunatics polls numbers jumped.

Which is why Kommie Katie and all the other leftists hated her so much.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-29   17:31:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Deckard (#38)

Sarah Palin could be joining Donald Trump’s presidential ticket in a dream celebrity pairing for the Republican Party.

Better choice than Oprah I suppose.

I'd LOVE to see Trump pick Oprah.

Just to watch all the black and knee-jerk white leftists heads explode.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-29   17:32:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: sneakypete (#43)

I'd LOVE to see Trump pick Oprah.

She's a filthy disgusting pig. She's not qualified to be anything but a filthy rich racist Hollywood libtarded twat.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-08-29   17:40:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: sneakypete (#42)

Which is why Kommie Katie and all the other leftists hated her so much.

Actually, "Kommie Katie" was pretty fair in her Palin interview.

The fact that poor little Sarah couldn't name a single newspaper she read was not Katie's fault.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-08-29   17:58:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: tomder55 (#16)

you can only wish you achieve as much in your career as Palin has done with hers.

What has she done but associate herself with a subversive imbecile and commit a series of embarassing gaffs as part of a traveling vaudville routine?

rlk  posted on  2015-08-30   1:31:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: rlk, Liberator (#46)

What Liberator said #33. I won't go into the details about how effective a Governor she was since your mind is closed on this . Simply put ,she took on powerful forces in the oil industry ,the Democrats ,and in her own party ,and won.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2015-08-30   4:13:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: All (#47) (Edited)

"If Donald Trump were to ask me to be his running mate, I would give it serious consideration."

(Former Minnesota Gov. Jesse "The Body" Ventura, )

good grief !

"The final key to the way I promote,is bravado. I play to people's fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That's why a little hyperbole never hurts." (Trump 'The Art of the Deal')

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2015-08-30   6:02:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Deckard (#45) (Edited)

Many people haven't read a newspaper in years. They read the Internet. Most newspapers have their own agendas that people don't want to involve themselves.

Don  posted on  2015-08-30   6:51:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: GrandIsland (#44)

I'd LOVE to see Trump pick Oprah.

She's a filthy disgusting pig. She's not qualified to be anything but a filthy rich racist Hollywood libtarded twat.

So what? Pretty much the same argument can be made about Trump.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-30   9:53:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Deckard (#45)

The fact that poor little Sarah couldn't name a single newspaper she read was not Katie's fault.

Are you so retarded you think any of the other candidates running for the White House had the time to read any newspapers?

If you are that dimwitted,you need to know that they are too busy learning speeches written for them and discussing strategy to read newspapers. They have staffs that brief them on hot news items.

Since Palin was picked to help McLunatic lose,she evidently didn't get the staff and the briefings she should have received.

The sad part is Palin had what it took to be somebody serious,but she pissed it away with her slavish devotion to John McLunatic. Who the hell can take any politician seriously that took the abuse she took from McLunatic,and her only response was "Thank you,Master John! May I have another?".

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-30   10:00:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: tomder55 (#48)

"If Donald Trump were to ask me to be his running mate, I would give it serious consideration."

(Former Minnesota Gov. Jesse "The Body" Ventura, )

good grief !

Apparently Charlie Sheen no longer thinks Donald Trump is a "shame pile of idiocy."

After slamming the GOP front-runner in a very special tweet last month, the former Two and a Half Men star has had a change of heart – and now wants to be the Donald's running mate.

To add an extra dose of randomness to the equation, we have Owen Wilson to thank for Sheen's sudden interest in politics.

In a new interview with The Daily Beast Wilson declared Trump the Charlie Sheen of politics, saying, "You can't help but get a kick out of [Trump], and I think part of it is we're so used to politicians on both sides sounding like actors at press junkets – it's sort of by rote, and they say all the right things. So here's somebody who's not following that script. It's like when Charlie Sheen was doing that stuff – like, wow! He's answering a question completely honestly, and in an entertaining way." www.people.com/article/ch...nald-trump-vice-president

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-30   10:06:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Deckard, cranky, tomder55 (#38)

[Sarah Palin] Better choice than Oprah I suppose.

It would get him the votes from the clueless rubes who still think Palin is a political genius.

a) Trump was just funnin' y'all with his "Oprah" comment

b) I'm confused as just who the "clueless rubes" *should* be voting for, Deckard. I've ask you before...now will you finally disclose *your* sage* selection??

c) No, it's not that some of us have ever believe there was much "political genius" about Palin'; Just a bunch of common sense and communication skills. Are traits you frown upon?

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-30   10:10:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: sneakypete (#40) (Edited)

Do you believe that the Jews are God's Chosen People,and that Isreal belongs to them and that makes Israel more important than America?

Yes,or no?

God has long spoken on Israel and claimed it as His. I realize that it's easy to *assume* you're playing dumb.

As to the second part of your "GOTCHA!" question, no American -- whether Palin or myself has ever claimed OR said that Israel is "more important than America," Magoo.

Do you support Radical Islam over Jews? YES OR NO? And aren't you the moron who actually claims that there's "NO difference between Muslims and Christians"? YES, you are. BUSTED.

So much for possessing a molecule of sanity.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-30   10:16:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: sneakypete (#41)

Kinda got you in a panic,don't I?

Yeah. I can't decide whether to laugh my azz off or other parts.

Which one of us believes in magic and miracles?

That would be YOU -- the one who believes EVERYTHING was created out of....NOTHING.

Best "magic" act of all, and you're front row center holding a giant lollipop.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-30   10:19:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: sneakypete, Deckard (#42)

And EVERY time she "went rogue",McLunatics polls numbers jumped.

Which is why Kommie Katie and all the other leftists hated her so much.

Absolutely TRUE.

McStain put a stop to his rising poll numbers when *he* himself went rogue, halted his campaign for NO good reason (as 0buma laughed) and went to DC to help Dubya sort out TARP.

Kommie Katie's "GOTCHAs!" were a FAIL after all.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-30   10:22:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: sneakypete (#43)

I'd LOVE to see Trump pick Oprah.

Only after waiting a bit for the joke to kick in...then laugh and say, "Are YOU %$#!@in' me?? In your wildest libtard dreams!"

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-30   10:24:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: GrandIsland (#44)

She's [Oprah] a filthy disgusting pig. She's not qualified to be anything but a filthy rich racist Hollywood libtarded twat.

Such eloquence of regard for 0prah is probably mentioned thousands of times, but not within an earshot of ET or TMZ cameras.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-30   10:27:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Liberator (#54) (Edited)

God has long spoken on Israel and claimed it as His.

And you know this to be true,how?

When was the last time God made a personal appearance?

As to the second part of your "GOTCHA!" question, no American -- whether Palin or myself has ever claimed OR said that Israel is "more important than America," Magoo.

A total lie. It is said in fundie circles every day of every week all over the country. You either believe that to be true,or you do not believe the "word of God" is more important than national loyalty. Which is it.

And aren't you the moron who actually claims that there's "NO difference between Muslims and Christians"? No,I have not and you can not produce a quote from me where I have made that claim. Like most "true believers" you want to edit truths to make them into lies to further your own personal "truths".

I have said there is NO DIFFERENCE IN THE MINDSET OF FUNDIE MUSLIMS AND FUNDIE CHRISTIANS,and that is 100 percent true. The same can be said about the mindset of communist true believers. The ultimate goal of all is to force everyone else to comply with their viewpoints using the force of the law or the point of a bayonet,and to imprison or murder anyone that refuses.

So much for possessing a molecule of sanity.

I am sane. YOU are the one that is a religious loon. You love your "GOD" so much you are willing to lie to make him stronger.

YES, you are. BUSTED.

One of us is,anyway.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-30   10:35:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: sneakypete (#59)

And you know this to be true,how?

And you know it isn't true, how?

Oh that's right. You support fags and the Bible doesn't so the Bible must be wrong because fags are more important then right or wrong.

I'll leave it at that.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-30   10:38:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Liberator (#55)

That would be YOU -- the one who believes EVERYTHING was created out of....NOTHING.

Maintaining your "faith" not only requires you to believe in lies,it also requires you to tell them youself.

I make no claim as to knowing what was the source that created the universe.

HEY! Maybe I can start a new religion by claiming it was beer?

Since you seem to think you know it was God because there is no other explanation, would you care to tell us who created your "God"?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-30   10:39:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Liberator (#57)

Only after waiting a bit for the joke to kick in...then laugh and say, "Are YOU %$#!@in' me?? In your wildest libtard dreams!"

I'm not one of the fools that actually thinks Trump is in it to win the presidency. This is nothing but self-promotion.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-30   10:41:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Deckard, sneakypete, tomder55 (#45)

Actually, "Kommie Katie" was pretty fair in her Palin interview.

HA! "Fair"?? Chyeah -- if the "interview" were conducted by a 10 year old. Kommie Katie's question was obviously SO calculated and SO dumb, SO stunningly dopey, that Palin's reaction of befuddlement was...NATURAL.

The fact that poor little Sarah couldn't name a single newspaper she read was not Katie's fault.

When was the LAST time ANY politician -- nay, VICE PRESIDENTIAL nominee -- was ever asked such a disrespectful, condescending, "GOTCHA!" question? Oh that's right -- NEVER. Because it was so stunningly dumb. Do YOU read newspapers? 3-2-1....quick, name them. STUMPED?? Uh-oh. Maybe you have NO idea what's going on in the world.

"Vice President Deckard -- What magazine have you read in the last 72 hours? STUMPED?? Uh-oh. You're REALLY must be clueless. about this world!

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-30   10:43:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: A K A Stone (#60)

And you know this to be true,how?

And you know it isn't true, how?

A complete and total LACK of ANY PROOF whatsoever over a time period that covers thousands of years.

Oh that's right. You support fags and the Bible doesn't so the Bible must be wrong because fags are more important then right or wrong.

You really are obsessed with homosexuals. Maybe even more focused on them than you are your alleged God.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-30   10:44:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: rlk, tomder55 (#46)

What has she done but associate herself with a subversive imbecile and commit a series of embarassing gaffs as part of a traveling vaudville routine?

Sad. So *you* -- along with your fellow imbeciles -- bought into the Leftist-driven meme of Palin's so-called "gaffs"? THAT is embarrassing. Were you at all familiar with 0buma's or Biden's respective series of never-ending, legendary gaffs, lies, and absurdities during the 2008 campaign? I don't have time to spoon feed you the incidents and examples -- sorry.

Sarah Palin, with her incredible set of communication skills and motivation almost pulled off a political upset for the ages. This for a most flawed candidate for President who himself had problem filling the seats of an elementary school. Palin was a proven force to be reckoned with -- DESPITE the leftist media's sabotage and character lynching. AND THEY KNEW IT.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-30   10:59:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: tomder55, rlk, Deckard (#47)

What Liberator said #33.

I won't go into the details about how effective a Governor she was since your mind is closed on this . Simply put ,she took on powerful forces in the oil industry ,the Democrats ,and in her own party ,and won.

But...but...how could such a "vaudevillian" bimbo clean the clocks of the oil czars, the RATS, and Establishment GOPe all by her lonesome?

She must have been....lucky.

*eyeball roll*

Remember how desperate the Dems and GOPe were to discredit Palin when they cited Palin's billing of her flights from her home to the state capital as "scandalous"?

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-30   11:03:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: tomder55 (#48)

....A little hyperbole never hurts." (Trump 'The Art of the Deal')

He is messin' with heads of people...and it's a blast to watch.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-30   11:05:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: sneakypete (#64)

You really are obsessed with homosexuals.

It's just when I see your name I think faggot. No not that you are one. You are just their apologist. Normal people don't support fags.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-30   11:08:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Don, Deckard (#49)

Many people haven't read a newspaper in years. They read the Internet. Most newspapers have their own agendas that people don't want to involve themselves.

Thank you....

Your salient point escapes only those who have an agenda, are disingenuous, are ignorant of reality, OR worship at the altar of WaPo or the NYT and expect others to as well.

Many Conservatives realize haven't read newspapers since the end of the 20th century. Literally.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-30   11:09:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Liberator, sneakypete, Deckard (#63)

The question was insulting to begin with . She wasn't appointed and elected to so many offices over the years, including the Governor of a state , by being an airhead. I would assume that people in that position don't have the time to sit down a peruse a newspaper. More likely their staff brings them reports of things they need to read. She should've said that 'as Governor of a state ,I'm much too busy the sit down and read a newspaper ' . That's what staffers do ' .

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2015-08-30   11:12:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: sneakypete (#50)

Pretty much the same argument can be made about Trump (that "He's a filthy disgusting pig. She's not qualified to be anything but a filthy rich racist Hollywood libtarded twat."

Missed the mark again by a million miles. I admire your consistency.

0prah has been a liberal-leftist racist who's been promoting the Hate-Whitey war for many years. She even came right out and openly vocally said she's celebrate the day when the oldest generation of whites would die (yeah, I assume YOU'RE on her List.) She has "built" nothing but a media empire and Hate-Machine on the backs of white middle-ages women who'd been oblivious to her scam as a divisive propagandist.

Trump on the other hand has literally helped build...America. And now he has been exposing the establishment politicians, exposing and ridiculing the PC that has been killing America, and exposing and ridiculing institutional lies of the political/elite class.

Believing 0prah = Trump is just more of the same kind of delusion where you also believe Muslims = Christians. Get help. Seriously.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-30   11:19:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Liberator (#65)

Regarding your description of Palin: You missed your true mission in life. You should be writing fiction for kindergartners.

rlk  posted on  2015-08-30   11:23:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: A K A Stone (#68)

You are just their apologist. Normal people don't support fags.

Since I am not one myself,why the HELL would I apologize for them?

And I don't "support faggots". I support American citizens,some of who are homosexuals. It's a damn shame you can't see and understand that distinction.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-30   11:28:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: tomder55 (#70)

She wasn't appointed and elected to so many offices over the years, including the Governor of a state , by being an airhead.

She damn sure wasn't a airhead to take down a sitting and connected governor with no more background than being a small town mayor.

She should've said that 'as Governor of a state ,I'm much too busy the sit down and read a newspaper ' . That's what staffers do ' .

Well,something similar,anyway. What you wrote would have sounded elitist. Kinda like the Bubbette! "little woman baking cookies" comment.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-30   11:31:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: tomder55, sneakypete, Deckard, rlk (#70)

The question was insulting to begin with .

Of course it was...BY DESIGN. It's the Left's M.O. But this kind of open contempt ain't gonna work with Trump.

She wasn't appointed and elected to so many offices over the years, including the Governor of a state , by being an airhead.

According to the know-it-all geniuses, airheads and bimbos are elected by accident or coincidence, and their accomplishments are...relegated to the kitchen or bedroom.

I would assume that people in that position don't have the time to sit down a peruse a newspaper. More likely their staff brings them reports of things they need to read. She should've said that 'as Governor of a state ,I'm much too busy the sit down and read a newspaper ' . That's what staffers do ' .

Yes...that is IF they're reading newspapers to begin with. MAYBE a staffer will mention a specific headline here or there -- USA Today, WaPo or the Times. But even then, as Governor or citizen of Alaska, those rags aren'r filling shelves -- considering how many time zone behind they are of stale propaganda and "news."

Katie's question was clearly not serious...and yes, had Palin time to think, she could well have mentioned her schedule restricted her routine to limited to online sources for news, or dependence on "staffers" to check out news-printed headlines and stories. If she had mentioned online sources for news, you can be sure Katie was prepared also to ridicule even that, were it "Free Republics," "World Net Daily," or any other alternative conservative news outlet.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-30   11:31:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: sneakypete (#73)

Since I am not one myself,why the HELL would I apologize for them?

You weren't taught right from wrong would be the answer. Ignorance or stupidity would be another. Regardless your a fag apologist.

a·pol·o·gist YÈpälYjYst/ noun a person who offers an argument in defense of something controversial.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-30   11:31:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Liberator (#71)

Trump on the other hand has literally helped build...America.

HorseHillary! If you put aside the race and stupidity thing and focus entirely on their motivations and political histories,they are virtually identical. The prime difference is Oprah didn't inherit HER wealth.

Trump is a life-long denize of NYC and NYC's Dim political machine. Hell,he is a 3rd generation Dim insider in NYC's political machine.

Only people truly desperate for a political savior would see Trump in that role.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-30   11:34:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: rlk (#72)

Regarding your description of Palin: You missed your true mission in life. You should be writing fiction for kindergartners.

Admit it. You've coming up empty. And whiffed. Don't fret -- everyone has their blind spot(s). Palin is one of yours.

But this is especially embarrassing given your wall of degrees and certificates, and library of books that demonstrate your monumental intellect. If only you joined Dorothy on her visit to the Wizard of Oz; The final piece of the intellectual puzzle would be complete.

:-(

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-30   11:37:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: A K A Stone (#76)

Since I am not one myself,why the HELL would I apologize for them?

You weren't taught right from wrong would be the answer.

Yes,I was.

Unlike you,apparently,I was taught that ALL American citizens had the same rights and freedoms as every other American citizen,and that was the prime thing that made America great,and the envy of the world.

Damn shame you didn't learn that.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-30   11:37:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: sneakypete (#77)

If you put aside the race and stupidity thing and focus entirely on their motivations and political histories,they are virtually identical.

Laughably absurd.

Look -- you can't refute the truth...Trump actually BUILT buildings. And housing units. 0prah's mission has always been about retribution, revenge, and hate.

Now you can insist on your alternative reality, but I can't help that.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-30   11:39:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Liberator (#78)

If only you joined Dorothy on her visit to the Wizard of Oz; The final piece of the intellectual puzzle would be complete.

No, thank you. One of us with Wizard of Oz thinking is quite enough. I'll let you handle the job.

rlk  posted on  2015-08-30   11:45:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: sneakypete (#79)

Unlike you,apparently,I was taught that ALL American citizens had the same rights and freedoms as every other American citizen,and that was the prime thing that made America great,and the envy of the world.

Damn shame you didn't learn that.

But you don't actually believe that.

If you did you would complain that Lebron James is not allowed to play on the WNBA.

Any man and woman could get married. That isn't discrimination. But your parents didn't raise you right. That is for sure. That is why you became an activist for perverts.

Your mommy must have said don't make fun of billy even though he is wearing a dress. Then you said sure mama a boy wearing a dress is just equal rights.

You're a pitiful creature. I pity you.

I pity you out of love. I hate when people who have good qualities like you do, can get something so wrong as to call evil good. You make a virtue out of being a sicko pervert. You cloak perversion and mental illness in equality.

Well it isn't fair that you aren't President. It's not equal. Poor petey.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-30   11:48:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: sneakypete (#62)

I'm not one of the fools that actually thinks Trump is in it to win the presidency. This is nothing but self-promotion.

Have you a crystal ball? Tarot Cards? ESP?

Yes, it IS "self-promotion." HINT: That's what politics IS.

Only Trump has managed to tap straight into heart of the matter. ONLY as a result of Trump's courage and ignoring the flak from America's leftist propaganda machine have we NOW been able to openly oppose the PC tidal wave of insanity that's been murdering America. ONLY Trump's verbal assault on Political Correctness has America fighting back for our very existence. Who else has EVER mentioned actual deportation, wall building, and removing the anchor-baby loophole of the 14A?

If for any reason Trumps fails at being President, he will have accomplished MORE than Congress or any President in the last 25 years. WAKING UP THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-30   11:51:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: sneakypete (#61)

YOU are still the one who believes EVERYTHING was created out of....NOTHING.

YOU are the one who believes Creation has NO Creator.

If that isn't believing in the biggest magic act imaginable, what is?

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-30   11:54:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Liberator (#84)

YOU are the one who believes Creation has NO Creator.

Who or what created the creator?

rlk  posted on  2015-08-30   12:02:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: All (#85)

To: Liberator (#84)

YOU are the one who believes Creation has NO Creator.

Who or what created the creator?

I'm waiting for an answer.

Tick, tock, tick tock.

rlk  posted on  2015-08-30   12:11:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Liberator (#58)

Such eloquence of regard for 0prah is probably mentioned thousands of times, but not within an earshot of ET or TMZ cameras.

Thank you... I was trying to be kind.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-08-30   12:15:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: rlk (#85)

Who or what created the creator?

The Creator...God...always was, has been, and will be. This physical world and its rules and laws do not apply in the Hereafter.

That said, Robert, your equation and question ("Who or what created the creator?") is a conundrum and mystery that cannot possibly be answered OR understood by the finite mind of man. How should man be expected to understand an Infinite, Omnipotent God's mind?

Look at it from this simple perspective: Can a 2 year old read, let alone understand your books?

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-30   12:18:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: GrandIsland (#87)

Thank you... I was trying to be kind.

LOL...your compassion showed. You're getting soft.

;-)

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-30   12:19:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: sneakypete (#79)

Unlike you,apparently,I was taught that ALL American citizens had the same rights and freedoms as every other American citizen

You were indoctrinated by libtards. We aren't "equal"... we never were. We don't treat people "equally"... we treat people FAIRLY based on what they bring to the table. Anything other is LIBERALISM. Shame you never were raised better... too many faggots in your wood pile.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-08-30   12:21:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: All (#86)

I'm still waiting for an answer.

Tick, tock, tick tock.

rlk  posted on  2015-08-30   12:22:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: A K A Stone (#82)

But you don't actually believe that.

If you did you would complain that Lebron James is not allowed to play on the WNBA.

You were dropped on your head a lot when you were a child,weren't you?

I can think of no other explanation for "logic" like that.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-30   12:32:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Liberator (#83)

I'm not one of the fools that actually thinks Trump is in it to win the presidency. This is nothing but self-promotion.

Have you a crystal ball? Tarot Cards? ESP?

No,that's why I used the word "think".

It must me you and the other Trumpettes that are using crystal balls and Tarot Cards.

You desperately want to find a candidate that puts America first and reflects American values and traditions. I get that. That candidate ain't Trump,though.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-30   12:34:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Liberator (#84)

YOU are the one who believes Creation has NO Creator.

If that is true,who created God?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-30   12:35:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Liberator (#88)

The Creator...God...always was, has been, and will be.

If God is supposedly eternal, why can't the vastness of the universe be eternal? Why does it need to be created?

rlk  posted on  2015-08-30   12:36:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Liberator (#88)

The Creator...God...always was, has been, and will be. This physical world and its rules and laws do not apply in the Hereafter.

Ahhh,so it's MAGIC!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-30   12:36:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: GrandIsland (#90)

Unlike you,apparently,I was taught that ALL American citizens had the same rights and freedoms as every other American citizen

You were indoctrinated by libtards. We aren't "equal"... we never were.

You must have been created by librards because nowhere did I mention the word "equal" or equal rights with individual or group ability.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-30   12:38:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: sneakypete (#97)

You must have been created by librards because nowhere did I mention the word "equal" or equal rights

You might wanna re-read your own bullshit... that's exactly what you claim. Because men and woman can marry, men and men should be able to as well... equal.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-08-30   12:43:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: GrandIsland (#98)

You might wanna re-read your own bullshit... that's exactly what you claim. Because men and woman can marry, men and men should be able to as well... equal.

I'm not responsible for your brain-farts,Barney Fife. I'd try to dumb it down to your level of understanding,but I don't think I am up to a challenge that big.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-30   12:44:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: rlk, LF, sneakypete (#91)

On 2015-08-30 12:22:06, rlk wrote:

To: All

I'm still waiting for an answer.

Tick, tock, tick tock.

Already answered, Tin Man. The alarm clock already went off. Pay attention:

http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=41631&Disp=88#C88

This will also address your query as well, Pete.

It is the ultimate intellectual hubris and arrogance to believe mere mortals -- the intellectually finite of God's creations -- would or could somehow actually understand their Creator's explanation of the Infinite. If God were somehow to go to a blackboard and drew out his equation, we'd be as infants attempting to comprehend Einstein's Theory of Relativity on a blackboard.

God created man as well as ALL Creation -- including Time and Space.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-30   12:47:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: rlk, sneakypete (#95) (Edited)

If God is supposedly eternal, why can't the vastness of the universe be eternal? Why does it need to be created?

Because ALL that exists...IS created. By an Infinite Being. Why must there be an insistence or entitlement of demanding an understanding of the Infinite? You're not capable, nor programmed by God the Creator in this dimension of Life.

You may get a clue in the next one...but that's up to you.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-30   12:51:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: sneakypete (#96)

Ahhh,so it's MAGIC!

Nothing is so "magical" as NOTHING creating EVERYTHING. Is it??

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-30   12:53:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Liberator (#100)

It is the ultimate intellectual hubris and arrogance to believe mere mortals -- the intellectually finite of God's creations -- would or could somehow actually understand their Creator's explanation of the Infinite. If God were somehow to go to a blackboard and drew out his equation, we'd be as infants attempting to comprehend Einstein's Theory of Relativity on a blackboard.

God created man as well as ALL Creation -- including Time and Space.

It would have been simpler to have just written that you don't know,rather than try to invoke magic and hide it behind big words.

There are good REASONS why all religions are called "Faiths". It's because they exist on faith instead of reason and facts.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-30   12:54:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Liberator (#102)

Nothing is so "magical" as NOTHING creating EVERYTHING. Is it??

Yes. Nothing creating a God,and then farming out the rest of creation to him/it/whatever.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-30   12:55:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Liberator (#101)

Because ALL that exists...IS created. By an Infinite Being. Why must there be an insistence or entitlement of demanding an understanding of the Infinite? You're not capable, nor programmed by God the Creator in this dimension of Life.

So you arbitrarily decree one thing for which you have no evidence to be eternal while another to be arbitrarily not eternal.

rlk  posted on  2015-08-30   13:05:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Don (#49)

Many people haven't read a newspaper in years. They read the Internet.

Gee - I wonder why Sarah didn't have the smarts to say that during her interview? I mean good grief - it was a simple, straightforward question and Palin couldn't name even ONE?

COURIC: And when it comes to establishing your world view, I was curious, what newspapers and magazines did you regularly read before you were tapped for this — to stay informed and to understand the world?

PALIN: I’ve read most of them again with a great appreciation for the press, for the media, coming f—

COURIC: But like which ones specifically? I’m curious that you—

PALIN: Um, all of 'em, any of 'em that, um, have, have been in front of me over all these years. Um, I have a va—

COURIC: Can you name a few?

PALIN: I have a vast variety of sources where we get our news too. Alaska isn't a foreign country, where, it's kind of suggested and it seems like, 'Wow, how could you keep in touch with what the rest of Washington, D.C. may be thinking and doing when you live up there in Alaska?' Believe me, Alaska is like a microcosm of America.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-08-30   13:14:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: sneakypete (#99)

I'd try to dumb it down to your level of understanding,but I don't think I am up to a challenge that big.

Thats YELLA code for... I'm not smart enough to spin my bullshit in a way I can prove you wrong.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-08-30   13:19:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: sneakypete (#92)

f you did you would complain that Lebron James is not allowed to play on the WNBA.

You were dropped on your head a lot when you were a child,weren't you?

I can think of no other explanation for "logic" like that.

It is your logic as a supporter of everythig being equal.

Why do they discriminate against Lebron? If he was a woman he would be to play but as a man he can't. That isn't equal.

Just like a man can marry a woman but not a man.

Same logic dipshit.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-30   13:29:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Liberator (#101)

Because ALL that exists...IS created.

Including Gods.

By an Infinite Being

Trying to have it both ways,are you?

Accidents also happen Or are you saying there is no such thing as accidents?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-30   15:41:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Liberator (#102) (Edited)

Nothing is so "magical" as NOTHING creating EVERYTHING. Is it??

Nope,that's why people with more imagination (or fear) than intellect need to create a Big Ranger in the Sky that knows when you've been naughty or nice to explain it all.

And NOTHING sells better than the promise of an eternal life with no pain and all joy in a place called "Heaven".

Take away the promise of an eternal life of comfort and joy,and you could hold prayer meetings in a phone booth.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-30   15:43:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: rlk, Liberator (#105)

So you arbitrarily decree one thing for which you have no evidence to be eternal while another to be arbitrarily not eternal.

That's why religions are always referred to as "faiths". They are based on faith,not proof.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-30   15:46:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: GrandIsland (#107)

Thats YELLA code for... I'm not smart enough to spin my bullshit in a way I can prove you wrong.

No,it's just another way of saying my time would be better spent trying to teach a mule how to tapdance that trying to teach a government troll how to think.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-30   15:48:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: A K A Stone (#108)

It is your logic as a supporter of everythig being equal.

WHERE have I ever claimed that everything is equal? Quotes,please.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-30   15:49:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: sneakypete (#113)

WHERE have I ever claimed that everything is equal? Quotes,please.

Short memory Pete ~ I was taught that ALL American citizens had the same rights

"same" and "equal" are equally the same... That's just one example.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-08-30   16:30:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: GrandIsland (#114)

Short memory Pete ~ I was taught that ALL American citizens had the same rights

"same" and "equal" are equally the same... That's just one example.

I know you were a career cog in a government machine,but are you really so stupid you equate ability with rights?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-30   19:14:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: sneakypete, rlk (#94)

Who created God?

Who created the very first second of time?

Who created the very first molecule?

Who create the very first thought?

Who created...matter, life, reason, and purpose?

Any and ALL logic points to God.

Who created God?

Illogical. The Creator and Author of all things could only have been created...by...An Eternal Creator.

How can you really reject an Eternal, Omnipotent "God" simply because neither of you can wrap your head around the simple notion that The Creator has no Beginning nor End? The Universe's Laws of Physics don't apply in a dimension you don't concede exists.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-31   12:06:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: rlk, sneakypete (#95)

If God is supposedly eternal, why can't the vastness of the universe be eternal? Why does it need to be created?

How does one expect answers to the questions or challenges for the reason and purpose of Creation known only by the Creator?

The only source of addressing nearly any of your respective questions can only be found in Scripture -- and even then, your heart needs to be opened -- though you may not find much of the specificity you demand.

I've already mentioned this; Even IF God emerged to speak to you personally to answer such questions, how would a mortal man with his finite mind understand the Infinite?

The ONLY way your curiosity would ever be satisfied and God's mysteries revealed would be in the presence of God the Creator. How do we know that?:

"But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither has entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him." 1 Corinthians 2:9 KJV

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-31   12:17:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: sneakypete (#96)

The Creator...God...always was, has been, and will be. This physical world and its rules and laws do not apply in the Hereafter.

Ahhh,so it's MAGIC!

Which definition do you subscribe to?:

Full Definition of MAGIC
1
a :  the use of means (as charms or spells) believed to have supernatural power over natural forces
b :  magic rites or incantations
2
a :  an extraordinary power or influence seemingly from a supernatural source
b :  something that seems to cast a spell :  enchantment
3
:  the art of producing illusions by sleight of hand

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-31   12:20:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: sneakypete (#103)

It would have been simpler to have just written that you don't know,rather than try to invoke magic and hide it behind big words.

Oh, but I DO know with 100% certainty that God created Everything. WITH purpose. With what proof do you assume that I'm lying? OR, don't know for sure?

God's creation may sure seem like "magic" -- it's truly miraculous to peer into a microscope at a female egg and sperm and KNOW that the union of the two will result in a living, breathing, THINKING, functioning person.

Is knowing that such a union of egg and sperm "faith" OR fact?

Btw -- which "big words" was I "hiding behind"? I had no idea I was going full-William Buckley on you, lol. I'll try to reduce my syllables next time.

There are good REASONS why all religions are called "Faiths". It's because they exist on faith instead of reason and facts.

Believing with absolute surety in a Creator-God isn't "faith"; It's innate logic and knowledge.

Believing that NOTHING created EVERYTHING is "faith"; Faith that 0 + 0 = Infinity. Your equation is the furthest thing from the very "reason and fact" that you represent is the case.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-31   12:33:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: rlk (#105) (Edited)

So you arbitrarily decree one thing for which you have no evidence to be eternal while another to be arbitrarily not eternal.

You're stretching.

Bottom line AGAIN; You deny your innate knowledge and logic that a Creator exists, as well as overwhelming physical AND intellectual proof that all life is programmed with reason and purpose...

And again, you and your finite mind could not ever hope to understand the Infinite mind. Scripture gives you hints of enlightenment; God gives you enlightenment and guidance. But to demand some kind of Blueprint from the Creator is a special kind of hubris and entitlement.

"But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him." 1 Corinthians 2:9

It is a wise man who fears the Lord. The reward eternal. Why keep on rejecting God's grace? It's there for the taking.

It seems to me that in your advanced years you ought to be un-hardening your your heart and opening it; humbling yourself and seeking the wisdom of attempting understanding the Gospel and cultivating whatever seed of faith you possess.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-31   12:47:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: sneakypete (#110) (Edited)

NOTHING sells better than the promise of an eternal life with no pain and all joy in a place called "Heaven".

And Jesus Christ (the Man) as well as his executed disciples profited....HOW again?

Those who open their heart and read Scripture have a hunger...for truth. And hunger for hope in this life as well as for eternity.

Is there anything to fear from rejecting the Gospel? You bet! Is there redemption for those of us who fail everyday in being a "good" person? You bet! Is the promise of Grace legitimate that all who hear and embrace the Gospel that they will indeed be promised an an "eternal life with no pain and all joy in a place called "Heaven," or "The Kingdom of God"?

There's a time and place for cynicism. But this ain't it. If there's one decision you make (while you still can) to accept such a promise from God, why reject it on ANY level? Believing in the Gospel makes you a wise man, not a fool.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-31   13:00:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: GrandIsland, sneakypete (#114) (Edited)

WHERE have I ever claimed that everything is equal? Quotes,please.

Short memory Pete ~ I was taught that ALL American citizens had the same rights

I was taught the same thing, as per the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

I disagree with pete on gay marriage - to me that is a long held religious tradition/ceremony ordained by God that can only occur between a man and a woman.

I do however agree that gays, blacks, whites, muslims, sikh, buddhists and those of any religion or belief system have the same rights - no more, no less - than any other American.

Edit : Should have been addressed to Liberator/sneakyppete.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-08-31   13:55:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: Liberator (#116) (Edited)

Illogical. The Creator and Author of all things could only have been created...by...An Eternal Creator.

Un,huh.

Prove it.

Then prove the force that created him/her/it/whatever.

And then prove the force that created that.

All this is WHY man dreamed up the idea of a God. It explains what can't be understood by giving the credit to an all-powerful magical being. Any question asked can be asked with "Because it was God's will!"

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-31   13:55:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: sneakypete (#123)

All this is WHY man dreamed up the idea of a God. It explains what can't be understood by giving the credit to an all-powerful magical being.

Prove it.

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-31   13:57:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: Liberator (#117)

The only source of addressing nearly any of your respective questions can only be found in Scripture -- and even then, your heart needs to be opened -- though you may not find much of the specificity you demand.

And there you have it. "God" only exists for those who believe he/she/it/whatever exists. It's an article of faith than can be neither proved or disproved.

It's an individual thing. If you are a true believer,God is real. If you don't believe,he isn't.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-31   13:58:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: Liberator (#118)

Which definition do you subscribe to?:

Full Definition of MAGIC 1 a : the use of means (as charms or spells) believed to have supernatural power over natural forces b : magic rites or incantations 2 a : an extraordinary power or influence seemingly from a supernatural source b : something that seems to cast a spell : enchantment 3 : the art of producing illusions by sleight of hand

All of the above.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-31   13:59:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: Liberator (#119)

With what proof do you assume that I'm lying? OR, don't know for sure?

I do NOT assume you or any other True Believer is lying. You believe it to the point where it is absolutely true for you,and anything you claim that you believe to be true is not a lie. All any of us can do is speak the truth AS WE KNOW/UNDERSTAND IT.

None of which means I have to agree with you.

Or that you have to agree with me.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-31   14:02:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Liberator (#121)

NOTHING sells better than the promise of an eternal life with no pain and all joy in a place called "Heaven".

And Jesus Christ (the Man) as well as his executed disciples profited....HOW again?

"Profited" is a big work with a wide meaning. It can mean anything from obtaining wealth,goods,services,or even profiting from the self-satisfaction you feel from doing something you perceive to be "good".

I know this may come as a shock to some of you,but I did NOT know Jesus personally,so I can't state with any certainty what his goals were. I can only assume he meant well,and if he got free rent,food,and living expenses out of it,he earned them.

Not that it makes any difference at all what I think about him.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-31   14:07:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: Deckard (#122)

I disagree with pete on gay marriage - to me that is a long held religious tradition/ceremony ordained by God that can only occur between a man and a woman.

Well,the thing is that marriage existed long before the Christian religion.

Granted,if you want to get married in a Christian Church,in a just and free society the Church has the right to say yes or no,depending on who you are and the church policy. Since civil ceremonies exist and are easy for anyone to arrange,your toes are NOT being stepped on and your rights are NOT being denied if they decide that marrying you would conflict with their religious beliefs.

Then again,in a just world,no religions would take the Kings Money and agree to do the Kings Work. They would remain independent of any and all governments,and operate off their own dimes.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-31   14:12:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: redleghunter (#124)

All this is WHY man dreamed up the idea of a God. It explains what can't be understood by giving the credit to an all-powerful magical being.

Prove it.

Are you starting to catch on to the fact that the existence of any God can not be proven until and unless that God starts making public appearances, and that you can NOT prove than any God does NOT exist because it is impossible to prove a negative?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-31   14:14:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: sneakypete (#128)

I know this may come as a shock to some of you,but I did NOT know Jesus personally,so I can't state with any certainty what his goals were. I can only assume he meant well,and if he got free rent,food,and living expenses out of it,he earned them.

Not that it makes any difference at all what I think about him.

I know this will also be a shock to YOU, but there are millions of people who DO know Jesus....personally. I am one of them; You'll find a good half-dozen posters at this forum who will say the same. He's as real to me as any person, place, or thing.

The record of Jesus' mission, wisdom, and goal is on record, Pete.

Unfortunately, you can't "know" what you readily reject; Though you have eyes you can't "see"; You can't hear because you won't listen.

Yes, it DOES make a difference what you think about Jesus, the historical Man. It's the difference between eternal life and the alternative.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-31   14:24:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: sneakypete (#129)

Then again,in a just world,no religions would take the Kings Money and agree to do the Kings Work. They would remain independent of any and all governments,and operate off their own dimes.

That's a good point and I agree 100%.

As long as churches continue to operate under the 501(c)3 provision, they are merely operating as a branch of the government.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-08-31   14:24:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: sneakypete, redleghunter (#130)

God can not be proven until and unless that God starts making public appearances...

In examining my aforementioned example of a woman's egg and man's sperm under a microscope...co-mingled to create an incredible code of human life...If THAT doesn't "prove" God's existence, then what does?

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-31   14:29:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: Deckard, sneakypete, redleghunter (#132)

Then again,in a just world,no religions would take the Kings Money and agree to do the Kings Work. They would remain independent of any and all governments,and operate off their own dimes.

No one said this was a "just world" -- point not taken.

Moreover, just what does the acceptance of government money have to do with adherence to the Gospel?

As long as churches continue to operate under the 501(c)3 provision, they are merely operating as a branch of the government.

Uh, no, not quite traditionally. But if this government is going to insist (unprecedentedly by the way) on dictating terms and content of worship, then ONLY in that case does your argument hold a single drop of water.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-31   14:33:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: Liberator (#121)

Believing in the Gospel makes you a wise man, not a fool.

According to the mentality of impressionable superstitious fools.

rlk  posted on  2015-08-31   14:52:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: sneakypete (#130)

Are you starting to catch on to the fact that the existence of any God can not be proven until and unless that God starts making public appearances

Well God did make hundreds of appearances in the flesh no less. Thousands of people saw it. The eyewitness accounts can be found in Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Acts. Even in the book of Revelation.

Now that is what is called evidence. It is up to the unbiased mind to examine the evidence.

As in a court of law, no prosecutor can come up to the judge and say "the defense has no case and you need to dismiss any evidence they bring to bear."

That's what you are doing Pete. You try to impeach the witness testimony without even considering it.

To consider evidence means to examine it.

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-31   15:29:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: Liberator (#134)

Moreover, just what does the acceptance of government money have to do with adherence to the Gospel?

A most excellent question. As if the institutions of the governance of man has to do with the Sermon on the Mount. Now if government leaders wished to employ their duties within the Sermon on the Mount, there would be less government corruption and more money for Paula to go after in the private sector.

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-31   15:33:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: rlk, liberator (#135)

According to the mentality of impressionable superstitious fools.

Don't know what got your Kimono in an uproar.

But I will make sure you stick your Samurai sword in your belly if your table manners are rude. I'm sure you will do the honors without prompting.

Then again, I don't usually comment on genocidal Asian cults.

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-31   15:39:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: Deckard (#132)

As long as churches continue to operate under the 501(c)3 provision, they are merely operating as a branch of the government.

Yup.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-31   16:07:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: Liberator (#133)

.If THAT doesn't "prove" God's existence, then what does?

It proves nothing. Insects do the same thing.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-31   16:08:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: Liberator (#134)

Moreover, just what does the acceptance of government money have to do with adherence to the Gospel?

If you sell your ass for cash money and power,don't whine when someone calls you a whore.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-31   16:09:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: redleghunter (#136) (Edited)

Well God did make hundreds of appearances in the flesh no less.

I must have missed that one.

The eyewitness accounts can be found in Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Acts. Even in the book of Revelation.

Company sales brochures don't count as proof of anything,other than there is an organized company behind the product.

To consider evidence means to examine it.

I have examined it,and found it to all be hearsay,not reliable evidence.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-31   16:11:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: sneakypete (#142)

I must have missed that one.

Matthew Chapter 5

Company sales brochures don't count as proof of anything,other than there is an organized company behind the product.

Luke Chapter 1

From Dr. Luke, physician, evangelist and historian the following from Luke chapter 1:

Inasmuch as many have taken in hand to set in order a narrative of those things which have been fulfilled among us, 2 just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word delivered them to us, 3 it seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write to you an orderly account, most excellent Theophilus, 4 that you may know the certainty of those things in which you were instructed.

I have examined it,and found it to all be hearsay,not reliable evidence.

Then Julius Caesar and every historical document is hearsay according to your standards.

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-31   16:39:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: sneakypete (#140)

It proves nothing. Insects do the same thing.

Ok. So what force of the Universal caused the SAME Creation of Life coded out of microscopic female/male emissions?

YOUR answer: NOTHING.

Nice "logic." Your math equations 0 + 0 = Infinity ought to work well at at the University of Mars.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-31   17:52:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: redleghunter (#143) (Edited)

I must have missed that one.

Matthew Chapter 5

Company sales brochures don't count as proof of anything,other than there is an organized company behind the product.

Luke Chapter 1

I am the walrus. koo koo,kachoo!

Lennon/McCarthy 1967.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-31   18:03:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: Liberator (#144)

Ok. So what force of the Universal caused the SAME Creation of Life coded out of microscopic female/male emissions?

YOUR answer: NOTHING.

No,MY answer is "I don't know."

YOUR answer is "Magic! The Big Spook in the Sky dun did it!"

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-31   18:04:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: redleghunter, sneakypete (#143)

I must have missed that one.

Easy to miss sporting a blindfold, earmuffs, while in a medical induced coma. Once coming conscious, he must have attended the same seminar that taught the magic equation, 0 + 0 = Infinity.

Pete: "I have examined it (The eyewitness accounts found in Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Acts...and the book of Revelation], and found it to all be hearsay,not reliable evidence."

The most heavily account of testimony, witnesses and documentation in antiquity, but somehow that "evidence" again reinforced the same impossible 0 + 0 = Infinity.

There are more witnesses to the deeds, words, conversations, and life of Jesus Christ than there is to 0buma's life, lol.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-31   18:08:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: sneakypete (#146) (Edited)

No,MY answer is "I don't know."

Still dying on the 0 + 0 = INFINITY + EVERYTHING hill? That's funny.

YOUR answer is "Magic! The Big Spook in the Sky dun did it!"

"The Big Spook in the Sky" managed to create the sky at minimum.

YOUR Exhibit "A", "NOTHING" -- or did IT create the sky?

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-31   18:13:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: sneakypete (#145)

I am the walrus. koo koo,kachoo!

Who created The Walrus? NOTHING I suppose?? OR was an "accident" when NOTHING collided with NOTHING and created...a Walrus?

Lol

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-31   18:15:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: Liberator (#147)

The most heavily account of testimony, witnesses and documentation in antiquity, but somehow that "evidence" again reinforced the same impossible 0 + 0 = Infinity.

Give it a rest. You have absolutely NO actual proof that those people actually wrote that,or that they didn't write lies.

Once again you are confusing faith with fact.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-31   18:18:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: Liberator (#148)

No,MY answer is "I don't know."

Still dying on the 0 + 0 = INFINITY + EVERYTHING hill? That's funny.

Just how freaking stupid are you that you come up with that brain fart after reading "I don't know."

ALL you have is dogma,bubba. If you choose to believe it,go ahead and believe it. People believe all sorts of foolish shit. No skin off my nose.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-31   18:21:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: Liberator, sneakypete (#147)

There are more witnesses to the deeds, words, conversations, and life of Jesus Christ than there is to 0buma's life, lol.

Yet no one in academia questions Thucydides was the actual author of his works.

Here's some perspective:

Manuscript evidence for superior New Testament reliability

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-31   18:23:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: Liberator (#149)

Who created The Walrus? NOTHING I suppose?? OR was an "accident" when NOTHING collided with NOTHING and created...a Walrus?

Lol

Desperation is never pretty,and that hollow laugh fools no one. You must be a doubter too,but live in fear of not gaining eternal life if you admit it,so you are getting desperate. Guess what,bubba? When you die,that's it. No more life,no more anything but a dirt nap for eternity. You will be gone,and the world will still be spinning,and not even notice you are missing.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-31   18:23:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: redleghunter (#152)

Yet no one in academia questions Thucydides was the actual author of his works.

That can't possibly be true. There are people in academia who question water being wet. Academia is all about publishing possible theories and getting noticed.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-31   18:27:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: Liberator (#120)

And again, you and your finite mind could not ever hope to understand the Infinite mind.

Especially an Infinite mind which represents the product of primitive hysteria dominant during the time of biblical speculation and still persists today. Blind trust without reproduceable evidence is the mark of an idiot.

rlk  posted on  2015-08-31   18:30:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: sneakypete, liberator, GarySpFc (#150)

Give it a rest. You have absolutely NO actual proof that those people actually wrote that,or that they didn't write lies.

After reading at the below link, your perceived accuracy of 'history' will be rocked. If you hold non-Christian manscript evidence to your 'hearsay' model, then nothing from ancient history is reliable...Nothing.

So, by your statements you are now boxed in to two possibilities. (1) Everything in history is hearsay and ALL historical documents are inadmissable as evidence and/or (2) the manuscript evidence are deliberate frauds as part of a vast 5,000 year ongoing conspiracy.

Manuscript Evidence

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-31   18:31:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: rlk (#155)

Blind trust without reproduceable evidence is the mark of an idiot.

I wonder if all those Chinese babies impaled on stakes by the Bushito Japanese warriors trusted them.

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-31   18:32:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: redleghunter (#156)

If you hold non-Christian manscript evidence to your 'hearsay' model, then nothing from ancient history is reliable...Nothing.

There is damn little that is accurate.

As a former soldier you should understand very well that history is written by the winners.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-31   18:45:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: sneakypete (#158)

As a former soldier you should understand very well that history is written by the winners.

Well that is true.

However, given we have some manuscripts of Caesar's Gallic Wars and his and other general's testimony that they won those wars, we should at least consider that as evidence of their victories.

Of course we don't have anything from the Gallic war chiefs at all. Why? Because they lost. So that does not mean Caesar and his generals created a Gallic wars conspiracy. They won and lived to write about it. Plus they had the apparatus of the empire to rewrite their accounts and pass it down to the following generations. I accept that history because of the manuscript evidence AND the fact that the institutions created by Rome testify to it.

Same goes for the evidence of Scriptures and the church which transcribed the autographs.

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-31   18:52:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: redleghunter (#157)

I wonder if all those Chinese babies impaled on stakes by the Bushito Japanese warriors trusted them.

Why tell me about it? That wasn't even Bushito.

rlk  posted on  2015-08-31   19:58:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: rlk (#160)

Distorted Bushito. I can see that from examining the history. However, for some reason you believe a fantasy Christianity.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwtwo/japan_no_surrender_01. shtml

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-31   22:40:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: redleghunter (#161)

Distorted Bushito. I can see that from examining the history. However, for some reason you believe a fantasy Christianity.

Most of Christianity is fantasy. Most societies speculate on the origin of the universe and reality. Christianity believes in one God while the norse believed in 25 Gods. I don't belier that people can be swallowed by whales and live to tell about it. I don't believe the hokum about Adam and Eve and the apple in the Garden. I don't believe the entire Earth was covered five miles deep in water and that it suddenly evaporated. From a study of Jesus I find no evidence that he was divine. He was a Rabinical student rabbi who didn't make it but cultivated attention by preaching some Talmidic verses to a previously unacquainted population. I find no evidence to believe Jesus had any knowledge of economics or any other modern thought.

I have tried to be civil in discourse with you people. In return, you harangue me with gobbledegook that violates every standard of logic and disciplined thought then claim I'm doomed to go to hell if I don't believe it. It's pissing me off. You have lost every argument or confrontation with the counterculture for years and are destroying the country with your outmoded incompetence. We as ass deep in casual abortions, free sex, drugs, immaturity, and infantile self absorbtion while you lamely quote biblical nonsense. You are killing us with your pretense of being the only other alternative.

rlk  posted on  2015-09-01   0:29:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: redleghunter (#159)

However, given we have some manuscripts of However, given we have some manuscripts of Caesar's Gallic Wars and his and other general's testimony that they won those wars, and his and other general's testimony that they won those wars,

In second year Latin in high school we were required to translate Caesar's Gallic Wars from the original.

rlk  posted on  2015-09-01   0:48:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: redleghunter (#138)

Don't know what got your Kimono in an uproar.

But I will make sure you stick your Samurai sword in your belly if your table manners are rude. I'm sure you will do the honors without prompting.

As I have said here many times, I believe in a Modernized form of Bushido. Among other things I am dead set against unconditional loyalty to retainers.

rlk  posted on  2015-09-01   0:57:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: rlk (#162)

Well I realize you don't believe. That's quite clear. But the illogic is truly something came from nothing. Produce some evidence of such. You can't.

It is also not illogical for a Creator to be Master of His own creation. We observe such often with the things we create.

I understand there are a host of man-made garden variety philosophies and religions out there. Most are focused on temporal and temporary self improvement or self gratification. That is where Christianity is different.

The "doomed to hell" message you pick up on is what you really want to hear to reject the actual loving message of God in the Bible. There are more words, chapters and books on God's Grace and Mercy than fiery hell.

The OT and NT record actions and words of God's love, Grace and longsuffering so that no one would perish. Just as a loving parent would never even see a child go down the road to destruction. Even taking back and forgiving an offending child.

However, most are comfortable in our human race to be the lump of clay contending with the Potter.

Your comments are nonsense on the counter culture. The culture of "me" started in the 50s when people started worshipping objects and money while becoming cold to their neighbor and own families. The 60s spawned out of this ever increasing pursuit of self gratification and coldness to neighbor. The counter culture took the next step towards self destruction and delusion. They had no place to go but there because they rejected what this nation was built on...

"Religion and morality are the essential pillars of civil society."

So you can rage away that somehow Christians caused the decline of our nation. That would be most illogical. The message has been the same for thousands of years and the direction taken by most is to oppose the message because self gratification and self centeredness has always been mankind's downfall.

History is full of examples of nations rising and falling. We had something good here in the US for almost two centuries. Then most slapped it away to pursue their ambitions at any cost to family, neighbor and community.

So goes history... So goes self destructive societies.

Best described: "The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God will stand forever."

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-01   1:15:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: rlk (#164)

As I have said here many times, I believe in a Modernized form of Bushido. Among other things I am dead set against unconditional loyalty to retainers.

I guess I grossly misrepresented your modern version of your belief system. A lot of that going on here no?

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-01   1:19:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: rlk (#163)

In second year Latin in high school we were required to translate Caesar's Gallic Wars from the original.

Original what exactly? You had an autograph of the actual parchment Caesar wrote on. Fascinating. Should be in a museum.

Or did you have a copy of the 10th Century manuscript Catholic monks pieced together from fragments.

If you go to the link I left Pete twice above you will know what I am speaking of.

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-01   1:24:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: redleghunter (#167)

Original what exactly? You had an autograph of the actual parchment Caesar wrote on. Fascinating. Should be in a museum.

Not the original parchment. A copy of the original writing. We had a teacher who thought she was a reincarnation of Calpurnia and was really gung ho. She knew her stuff.

rlk  posted on  2015-09-01   1:43:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: rlk (#168)

Not the original parchment. A copy of the original writing. We had a teacher who thought she was a reincarnation of Calpurnia and was really gung ho. She knew her stuff.

Ok, understand it was some copy of a later manuscript.

Good drill and what is missing from schools today.

Second year language classes (take your pick Latin, French etc.) in my Catholic HS, there was a policy that no English was to be spoken in class. That means if you did not study and practice on your own, you were quickly behind with instruction. Which means spending more time with Sister Mary Midget after school for additional instruction. That is what I call movtivation:)

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-01   8:58:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#170. To: redleghunter (#165) (Edited)

Produce some evidence of such. You can't.

The burden of proof is not on me. You make as assertion then back it up with circular reasoning. We go round and round the circle based upon your belief.

It makes as much sense as arguing the universe was created by the tooth fairy.

"Religion and morality are the essential pillars of civil society." For many people that is true because of their limitations and that is why I have been reluctant to criticize religion as they will be left with nothing. There is an alternative way. I am a psychoanalytic(in the broad sense), logical positivist realist, who believes in a modernized form of Bushido. Morality is determined by healthy empathy and integrity.

I have to leave for a while to do pressing errands.

rlk  posted on  2015-09-01   12:19:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#171. To: rlk (#170) (Edited)

"The atrocities of World War II were the result of behavior codes fostered by the military for their own ends, codes such as 'eight sides and corners of the World,' and 'the way of the emperor,' based upon the old code of the warriors (bushido)." Japanese conduct in the Pacific Theater in World War II stemmed from this deeper, unwritten collective code, bushido, making their behavior part of a continuous pattern of martial culture. As an ideal construct, bushido emphasized honesty, filial piety, honor, selflessness, indifference to pain, loyalty, and above all, unquestioning obedience to one's superiors. What if though, the long-standing debate between historians as to whether Japanese conduct in WWII reflected a corruption of the Bushido Code or reflected a continuation of it, has been searching for the answer to this question by using the wrong explanation. What if the true explanation involves the Japanese concept of Just War?

[snip]

According to Inazo Nitobe, "Bushido, then, is the code of moral principles which the knights were required or instructed to observe. It is not a written code; at best, it consists of a few unuttered or unwritten maxims… handed down from mouth to mouth or coming from the pen of some well-known warrior....

Inazo's Christian upbringing isolated him geographically and culturally from mainstream Japan. Inazo, grew up in Hokkaido, which was a particularly westernized, Christian, and segregated part of Japan. Inazo argues that humanity and compassion towards all humans were fundamental to the Code of Bushido but these elements were the ideal and most often not the reality. Realistically, humanity or compassion extended towards an enemy belligerent was judged as a sign of weakness and had the potential to incite an uprising or a rebellion against a victorious army.

http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/wwii/articles/bushido.aspx

Bushido is a warrior code...a Religious CULT based on warrior action AND compassion at best; At worst it is...the brutality witnesses by the Japanese military and government as seen during WWII, during the Bataan Death March, the Rape of Nanking, and its Kamikaze ethic.

Bushido in this sense is a Death Cult.. Much like Islam. In Bushido, the ultimate "honor" is..."honorable" death in battle. Life and living?? Individuality? Redemption? The Kingdom of God? Not so much.

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-01   12:36:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#172. To: sneakypete (#153)

Sneakypete: "Just how freaking stupid are you that you come up with that brain fart after reading 'I don't know.'"

sneakypete posted on 2015-08-31 18:21:21 ET

Sneakypete: Guess what,bubba? When you die,that's it. No more life,no more anything but a dirt nap for eternity."

sneakypete posted on 2015-08-31 18:23:45 ET

So which is it?

First you double-down and state twice that you "Don't know" whether there's proof of God...

But then you're as sure as can be about, a "dirt-nap," and, "When you die, that's it."

Sounds like you have a religion/cult, Jethro, but have only yet to name it. Might I suggest "ATHEIST"??

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-01   12:46:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#173. To: rlk, liberator (#170)

It makes as much sense as arguing the universe was created by the tooth fairy.

The next time that nice lady creates a kimono for you compliment her on the work and design. She will thank you.

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-01   13:54:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#174. To: redleghunter, rlk (#173)

The next time that nice lady creates a kimono for you compliment her on the work and design. She will thank you.

If RLK doesn't actually SEE the lady designing and sewing, does that mean she didn't design and sew it?

(I guess the TOOF Fairy is busier than any of us imagine. She did a HECKUVA job creating the DNA in the whole egg/sperm "accident" that just happened to create...you...me...and RLK. Author: TOOF Fairy?!??)

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-01   14:14:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#175. To: Liberator (#172)

So which is it?

First you double-down and state twice that you "Don't know" whether there's proof of God...

No,I said I don't know when asked if God exists. There is no proof one way or the other,and I defy people like you to show me the proof that God exists.

I also wrote that no one,can "prove" a negative,and you wanting me to prove that God doesn't exist shows how shallow your thinking is compared to the depth of your blind faith.

But then you're as sure as can be about, a "dirt-nap," and, "When you die, that's it."

Prove me wrong. Go ahead,trot some out that died,was buried,and came back to life again after a couple of days. YOU are the one making the claim that really happened,so the burden of proof is on YOU,bubba!

Sounds like you have a religion/cult, Jethro, but have only yet to name it. Might I suggest "ATHEIST"??

That's all ya got,ain't it? Religion is based on superstition,fear,and the hope that if you follow the Big Guy's rules you get to live forever. There is no proof of the existence of any God,just blind faith and desperate hope.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-01   14:39:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#176. To: Liberator (#171)

Inazo (Nitobe) argues that humanity and compassion towards all humans were fundamental to the Code of Bushido but these elements were the ideal and most often not the reality.

There is a primary rule in human life which you should become aware of. That is, anything that can be corrpted soon will be, particularly by the military mind. The aim of military training is to create unthinking enraged animals who follow orders without question. That's what the Japanese did very effectively in preparation for WWII and called it Bushido. I have a copy of Nitobe which I have read cover to cover as part of my commitment to Asian studies. In my opinion Nitobe tends to varnish over certain aspects of corruption in Bushido. I don't.

The idea of creeping corruption is why Thomas Jefferson said there should be repeated revolutions periodically to expunge it as well as toleration of it and restore integrity and order. The American Constitution is the most perfect legal document ever created. In recent decades there has been steady progress in attempts to weaken it.

In recent threads there has been superficial mention of Marbury versus Madison as if it was the landmark in establishment of Jurisprudence in this country. How many people name-droping the term Marbury versus Madison are aware that it revolved around the attempt by Marbury to get his brother-in-law and other family members installed in judgeships. It was in fact a landmark establishment of creeping corruption.

rlk  posted on  2015-09-01   21:01:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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