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Title: Ann Coulter: Correcting Bill O’Reilly (Again!) On “Birthright” Citizenship And The Constitution
Source: VDare
URL Source: http://www.vdare.com/articles/ann-c ... tizenship-and-the-constitution
Published: Aug 27, 2015
Author: Ann Coulter
Post Date: 2015-08-27 11:54:35 by nativist nationalist
Keywords: None
Views: 4864
Comments: 57

To support his insane interpretation of the post-Civil War amendments as granting citizenship to the kids of illegal aliens, Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly is now taking job applications for the nonexistent—but dearly hoped-for—Jeb! administration, live, during his show.

(Apparently my debate with O’Reilly will be conducted in my column, Twitter feed and current bestselling book, Adios, America, against the highest-rated show on cable news.)

Republicans have been out of the White House for seven long years, and GOP lawyers are getting impatient. So now they’re popping up on Fox News’ airwaves, competing to see who can denounce Donald Trump with greater vitriol.

Last Thursday’s job applicants were longtime government lawyers John Yoo [Email him] and David Rivkin. [Email him]

In response to O’Reilly’s statement that “there is no question the Supreme Court decisions have upheld that portion of the 14th Amendment that says any person, any person born in the U.S.A. is entitled to citizenship … for 150 years”—Yoo concurred, claiming: “This has been the rule in American history since the founding of the republic.”

Yes, Americans fought at Valley Forge to ensure that any illegal alien who breaks into our country and drops a baby would have full citizenship for that child! Why, when Washington crossed the Delaware, he actually was taking Lupe, a Mexican illegal, to a birthing center in Trenton, N.J.

If one were being a stickler, one might recall the two centuries during which the children of slaves were not deemed citizens despite being born here—in fact, despite their parents, their grandparents and their great- grandparents being born here.

Wouldn’t anyone who wasn’t applying for a job in the nonexistent, never-to- exist Jeb! administration remember slavery?

Incongruously, Yoo also said, “The text of the 14th Amendment is clear” about kids born to illegals being citizens.

Wait a minute! Why did we need an amendment if that was already the law— since “the founding of the republic”!

An impartial observer might contest whether the amendment is “clear” on that. “Clear” would be: All persons born in the United States are citizens.

What the amendment actually says is: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.”

The framers of the 14th Amendment weren’t putting a secret trap door in the Constitution for fun. The “jurisdiction thereof” and “state wherein they reside” language means something. (Ironically, Yoo—author of the Gitmo torture memo—was demonstrating that if you torture the words of the Constitution, you can get them to say anything.)

At least Rivkin didn’t go back to “the founding of the republic.” But he, too, claimed that the “original public meaning (of the 14th Amendment] which matters for those of us who are conservatives is clear”: to grant citizenship to any kid whose illegal alien mother managed to evade Border Patrol agents.

Whomever that was the “original public meaning” for, it sure wasn’t the Supreme Court.

To the contrary, the cases in the first few decades following the adoption of the 14th Amendment leave the strong impression that it had something to do with freed slaves, and freed slaves alone:

Supreme Court opinion in the Slaughterhouse cases (1873): “(N)o one can fail to be impressed with the one pervading purpose found in (the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments), lying at the foundation of each, and without which none of them would have been even suggested; we mean the freedom of the slave race, the security and firm establishment of that freedom, and the protection of the newly-made freeman and citizen from the oppressions of those who had formerly exercised unlimited dominion over him.”

Supreme Court opinion in Ex Parte Virginia (1879): “[The 14th Amendment was] primarily designed to give freedom to persons of the African race, prevent their future enslavement, make them citizens, prevent discriminating State legislation against their rights as freemen, and secure to them the ballot.”

Supreme Court opinion in Strauder v. West Virginia (1880): “The 14th Amendment was framed and adopted … to assure to the colored race the enjoyment of all the civil rights that, under the law, are enjoyed by white persons, and to give to that race the protection of the general government in that enjoyment whenever it should be denied by the States.”

Supreme Court opinion in Neal v. Delaware (1880) (majority opinion written by Justice John Marshall Harlan, who was the only dissenting vote in Plessy v. Ferguson): “The right secured to the colored man under the 14th Amendment and the civil rights laws is that he shall not be discriminated against solely on account of his race or color.”

Supreme Court opinion in Elk v. Wilkins (1884): “The main object of the opening sentence of the 14th Amendment was … to put it beyond doubt that all persons, white or black, and whether formerly slaves or not, born or naturalized in the United States, and owing no allegiance to any alien power, should be citizens of the United States … The evident meaning of (the words, “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof”) is, not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction, and owing them direct and immediate allegiance. … Persons not thus subject to the jurisdiction of the United States at the time of birth cannot become so afterward, except by being naturalized …”

One has to leap forward 200 years from “the founding of the republic” to find the first claim that kids born to illegal immigrants are citizens: To wit, in dicta (irrelevant chitchat) by Justice William Brennan, slipped into the footnote of a 5-4 decision in 1982.

So to be precise, what Yoo means by the “founding of the republic,” and Rivkin means by “the original public meaning” of the 14th Amendment, is: “Brennan dicta from a 1982 opinion.”

Perhaps, if asked, the Supreme Court would discover a “constitutional” right for illegal aliens to sneak into the country, drop a baby, and win citizenship for the kid and welfare benefits for the whole family. (Seventy- one percent of illegal immigrant households with children are on government assistance.)

But it is a fact that the citizenship of illegal alien kids has never been argued, briefed or ruled on by the Supreme Court.

Yoo and Rivkin aren’t stupid. It appears that the most significant part of their analysis was Yoo’s legal opinion: “I don’t think Trump is a Republican. I think actually he is ruining the Republican Party.” Please hire me, Jeb!! (or Rubio)!

O’Reilly could get more reliable constitutional analyses from Columba Bush than political lawyers dying to get back into government.

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#2. To: nativist nationalist (#0)

But it is a fact that the citizenship of illegal alien kids has never been argued, briefed or ruled on by the Supreme Court.

It is undeniable fact that this is irrelevant.

Is the child a person?

Was the child born in the U.S.?

Was the child, when born, subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S.?

If so, the child was born a citizen of the U.S.A.

The court decisions since 1871 leave no doubt.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-08-27   13:24:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: nolu chan (#2)

Is the child a person?

Is it. The Consitution has a clear definition of citizen but no definition at all of person. So what do you use as the source for the definition of person?

SOSO  posted on  2015-08-27   22:03:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: SOSO (#13)

Is the child a person?

Is it. The Consitution has a clear definition of citizen but no definition at all of person. So what do you use as the source for the definition of person?

The U.S. Supreme Court seems authoritative enough.

Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202, 210 (1982)

Whatever his status under the immigration laws, an alien is surely a "person" in any ordinary sense of that term. Aliens, even aliens whose presence in this country is unlawful, have long been recognized as "persons" guaranteed due process of law by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-08-28   1:28:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: nolu chan (#18)

The U.S. Supreme Court seems authoritative enough.

Authoritavive yess, definitive no. An alien in your citation can be a child or an adult. All this says is that an alien is a person. Now you could argue that by extension if even an illegal alien child is a person a legal native child is also a person. The fact remains that the U.S. Constitution does not define person. However SCOTUS ruling on RvW deemed that a fetus is not a person within the meaning of A14. So if you can please cite the SCOTUS ruling that established that native child (or native adult for that matter) is a person.

SOSO  posted on  2015-08-28   1:42:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: SOSO (#21)

Authoritavive yess, definitive no. An alien in your citation can be a child or an adult. All this says is that an alien is a person. Now you could argue that by extension if even an illegal alien child is a person a legal native child is also a person. The fact remains that the U.S. Constitution does not define person. However SCOTUS ruling on RvW deemed that a fetus is not a person within the meaning of A14. So if you can please cite the SCOTUS ruling that established that native child (or native adult for that matter) is a person.

Education can cure ignorance, but there is no cure for calculated stupidity.

For 14A, an alien may be a child or an adult. An alien is a person. All aliens are persons. An illegal alien is an alien. An undocumented immigrant is a person. A person in the United States unlawfully is a person. The U.S. Constitution does not define the words in the U.S. Constitution. The Courts define the words in the Constitution. The Courts construe the applicable meaning of the words as used in the Constitution. That is case law.

RvW ruled that a fetus is not a person within the meaning of 14A.

But note:

Unborn child. Word "person" as used in the Fourteenth Amendment does not include the unborn. Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113, 93 S.Ct. 705, 729, 35 L.Ed.2d 147. Unborn child is a "person" for purpose of remedies given for personal injuries, and child may sue after his birth. Weaks v. Mounter, 88 Nev. 118, 493 P.2d 1307, 1309. In some jurisdictions a viable fetus is considered a person within the meaning of the state's wrongful death statute, e.g. Summerfield v. Superior Court, 144 Ariz. 467, 698 P.2d 712, and within the meaning of the state's vehicular homicide statute, e.g. Comm. v. Cass, 392 Mass. 799, 467 N.E.2d 1324.

For 14A, A child is a person. A native child is a person. A native adult is a person. An alien is a person. An adult alien is a person. A child alien is a person.

For 14A, Legitimate and illegitimate children are persons. Bastards are persons.

The unborn, the dead and the undead have not been held to be persons within the meaning of 14A.

The definition of person applicable to 14A covers from the basket almost to the casket. 14A does not expand to cover from the womb to the tomb, or from the erection to the resurrection.

A child is not a fetus for purposes of 14A. A child is a person. A person is a human being.

The Supreme Court does not need to define every word in the dictionary for that word to have a meaning.

Person. In general usage, a human being.

Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed.

Aliens. Aliens are "persons" within meaning of Fourteenth Amendment and are thus protected by equal protection clause against discriminatory state action.

Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed.

As early as 1886, the Supreme Court held that aliens are "persons" within the meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment and are thus protected by the Equal Protection Clause against discriminatory state action. Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356,6 S.Ct. 1064, 30 L.Ed. 220 (1886). That holding has been affirmed many times since and is no longer open to dispute. In re Griffiths, 413 U.S. 717, 93 S.Ct. 2851, 37 L.Ed.2d 910 (1973); Sugarman v. Dougall, 413 U.S. 634, 93 S.Ct. 2842, 37 L.Ed.2d 853 (1973); Graham v. Richardson, 403 U.S. 365, 91 S.Ct. 1848,29 L.Ed.2d 534 (1971); Takahashi v. Fish Game Commission, 334 U.S. 410, 68 S.Ct. 1138, 92 L.Ed. 1478 (1948).

Foley v. Connelie, S.D.N.Y., 419 F. Supp. 889, 891 (1976)

nolu chan  posted on  2015-08-28   16:21:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: nolu chan (#28)

Person. In general usage, a human being. Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed.

So the Consitution states that a fetus is not a human being?

SOSO  posted on  2015-08-28   19:40:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: SOSO (#29)

Person. In general usage, a human being. Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed.

So the Consitution states that a fetus is not a human being?

If you say so.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-08-28   22:23:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: nolu chan (#31)

Person. In general usage, a human being. Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed.

So the Consitution states that a fetus is not a human being?

If you say so.

I didn't say so. You posted that in general usage a person in a human being. Since SCOTUS ruled that a fetus is not a person it follows that SCOTUS believes that a fetus is not a human. That or SCOTUS de facto ruled that all persons are human beings but not all human beings are persons.

Our laws concerning what is or is not a person throughout the country and at the Fed leve,l or at least in their application, are absurd. If someone kills a pregnant women and the fetus dies as well whether there are two murders or just one depends on if it happened in State A instead of State B. But if a pregnant women is kidnapping and as a result the fetus dies according to the Fed no crime of murder or manslaughter was committed as according to the Fed the fetus is not a person or even a human being. Does this make sense to you?

SOSO  posted on  2015-08-28   22:43:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#36. To: SOSO (#33)

I didn't say so. You posted that in general usage a person in a human being. Since SCOTUS ruled that a fetus is not a person it follows that SCOTUS believes that a fetus is not a human. That or SCOTUS de facto ruled that all persons are human beings but not all human beings are persons.

The court held that for purposes of the 14th Amendment, aliens are persons.

For purposes of the 14th Amendment, fetuses are not persons. Things not yet born are not persons for purposes of the 14th Amendment.

In general usage, persons are human beings.

In general usage, aliens may be beings from outer space.

Our laws concerning what is or is not a person throughout the country and at the Fed leve,l or at least in their application, are absurd. If someone kills a pregnant women and the fetus dies as well whether there are two murders or just one depends on if it happened in State A instead of State B. But if a pregnant women is kidnapping and as a result the fetus dies according to the Fed no crime of murder or manslaughter was committed as according to the Fed the fetus is not a person or even a human being. Does this make sense to you?

Absurd laws are still laws. An example of a fetus law would be attempted fetal homicide. Barry Boyfriend is no longer happy with Polly Preggers. He knocks her down and forcefully kicks her in the gut with the intent to terminate the pregnancy of Polly Preggers. A cop, Peter Pigg sees it all and arrests Barry Boyfriend who is charged, convicted and imprisoned for attempted fetal homicide. While that prosecution is in progress, Polly Preggers goes to a Planned Parenthood clinic and elects to have the pregnancy terminated. Polly succeeds in doing what Barrry tried to do. Polly committed no crime and Barry is in prison.

In discussing what the law is, one can not wish a law into becoming something other than what it is. Accurately stating what a law is, and what its effect is, does not connote agreement with that law.

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