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Title: Pentagon Urged To Boot Chaplains Who Oppose 'Gay' Marriage
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URL Source: http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/2015/July02/024.html
Published: Jul 3, 2015
Author: July 02, 2015 | JACK MINOR
Post Date: 2015-07-03 23:06:14 by Don
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In the aftermath of the Supreme Court’s decision to redefine marriage in all 50 states, the Pentagon is now being urged to “cleanse itself” of chaplains who refuse to support same-sex marriage. Activist Mikey Weinstein, president of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, is demanding the U.S. military conduct a purge of chaplains who holds to the traditional teaching of homosexuality and marriage espoused by the first commander in chief, George Washington. Weinstein claims chaplains who are “maintaining the state of antagonism between their religion and the sexual/gender identities of service members” have no business serving in the military. “Nobody is arguing that these losers don’t have a right to their religious beliefs,” wrote Weinstein in an op-ed. “At this stage, the only honorable thing that these losers can do is to fold up their uniforms, turn in their papers, and get the hell out of the American military chaplaincy. If they are unwilling or too cowardly to do so, then the Department of Defense must expeditiously cleanse itself of the intolerant filth that insists on lingering in the ranks of our armed forces.” While Weinstein frequently calls for the court-martialing of military members who attempt to share their faith with others, he is now calling for an entire class of chaplains to be fired regardless of whether their beliefs affect their job performance or not. Brig. Gen. Doug Lee, now chairman of the executive committee for the Chaplain Alliance for Religious Liberty, said Weinstein’s views are extreme, showing a lack of understanding of a chaplain’s mission. “His comments are so vitriolic and dividing that they are hardly worth responding to. He seems to feel the need to push his conspiracy theory about certain chaplains in the military,” Lee told WND. “In addition, I don’t think he understands that the job of chaplain exists in a pluralistic military so that people have religious support, and to do away with a certain group of chaplains in its entirety is just ridiculous. “It’s like he never learned a thing in law school about the Constitution and about why chaplains exist.” Lee contends one cannot say chaplains have no right to oppose homosexuality based on the teachings of their faith while also supporting their right to stand by other tenets, such as refusing to marry those outside of their faith. “A chaplain cannot do something against his faith tenet such as marrying someone who has different religious beliefs if that is a tenet of their faith. They cannot be asked to do it, and they cannot be required to do it.” Lee told WND that those who think a chaplain must affirm or support the beliefs of everyone who comes for counseling or teaching misunderstand the purpose of chaplains. “The job of a chaplain is to provide religious support or perform religious support. The ‘provide’ part is to help a person find someone who can meet the individual’s spiritual needs. For example, I would not prepare a Passover meal for a Jewish service member, but I will direct them to a rabbi who can address that area. But when I do perform religious support, whether it be to teach, preach or counsel, I do so from my faith perspective.” For his part, Weinstein said he’s looking forward to ending the conservative influence in the military. “What will become of their once-ironclad dominance of fundamentalist Christian privilege within the Department of Defense?” said Weinstein. Lee insists chaplains don’t use their pulpit and position to call on service members to disobey orders regarding the treatment of “gay” service members. “For the vast majority of chaplains in the military, their faith groups believe that homosexuality is a sin and so they believe marriage is between a man and a woman as Christians have believed for thousands of years,” Lee explained to WND. “But the chaplains are saying that if someone comes to them for counseling with the homosexual partner they won’t ignore that person’s concerns, instead they will refer them to someone who can help with their specific needs because that’s part of providing religious support.” WND reported how the military tried to silence opposition to repeal of the Revolutionary War ban on homosexuals serving in the military during a lame-duck session of Congress, after tea-party voters gave Republicans control of the House of Representatives in 2010. In 2013, soldiers were given a training brief stating evangelical Christians were the No. 1 extremist threat to America, ahead of groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood, Ku Klux Klan, Nation of Islam, al-Qaida and Hamas. Catholicism and ultra-orthodox Judaism were also on the list of religious extremist organizations. As WND reported, Larry Wilkerson, former chief of staff to Colin Powell, told the Washington Post in 2013 the biggest problems faced by the military were sexual assault and what he described as proselytizing by Christians. Wilkerson’s comments were made to Sally Quinn in an interview that also featured former ambassador Joe Wilson and Weinstein as they were on their way to a meeting at the Pentagon. Wilson told Quinn that if a chaplain would proselytize, it would be a workplace violation. Weinstein went even further and said it was a “national security threat” and amounted to “spiritual rape.” He said the chaplain’s role is to minister to spiritual needs. Weinstein said military leaders need to understand “there is systematic misogyny, anti-Semitism and Islamophobia in the military.” “What the Pentagon needs to understand is that it is sedition and treason. It should be punished.” Read more at http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/2015/July02/024.html#rAB6z7mffBjuVXm4.99
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#61. To: nolu chan (#60)
And Obama is laughing as he knows he has sowed many destructive seeds that will affect long after the freak is gone.
As more same-sex married couples enter the military community, difficulties will arise. These couples could be active duty member and civilian spouse or two active duty members. When opposite sex marital discord occurs, the couple is frequently mandated to marital counseling. How do they get counseled by a chaplain who finds their behavior morally repulsive and whom the couple also finds repulsive? How does the military accomodate all this, in all circumstances and locations? If they ignore it in certain locations or circumstances, and it leads to one spouse killing the other, that would be a different legal problem.
I know a Reformed Army doc. He just retired but when he was active duty he would not counsel women on how to get an abortion and he also refused to prescribe birth control. He was never disciplined. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
That is the strategy they have been successful with in their quest to nullify the Bill of Rights,so why would they change now? Once you have created one group of citizens with special rights that other citizens don't have,it's all downhill from there. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Never. Priests/chaplins/preachers/shammans/rabbis/witch doctors have EVERY BIT AS MUCH RIGHT to adhere to their religious views on marriage as any couple does to marry. Marriage IS NOT JUST a religious ceremony. It is also a civil ceremony,and no religious leader whose religion is opposed to same gender marriages can be forced to violate his religious beliefs in order to please someone who has the option of "doing the deed" elsewhere. Do religious leaders have the authority to tell homosexuals they can NOT marry,and to enforce their views? If not why is the inverse true? Folks,you can't have it both ways no matter how "happy" (gay) you are. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
You can't possibly be serious. I have never met or heard of any religious leader that wasn't trying to expand their empire and influence. So yes -- this means right on down the line, the haters of the values of Fundies and the Bible will no longer offer any strong buffer and moral "Maginot Line" to stop the new controlling group from treating them like bloody rag-dolls. Give that crap a rest. Organized Christianity has been responsible for more deaths,torture,and suffering than anything else in history,including diseases. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Don't be so smug,and don't give him any credit he doesn't deserve for being clever or sly. He is just one more horse added to the harness after the wagon was already moving. The Bush Crime Family,Jimmy Carter,Bill Clinton,and the entire RNC are laughing along with him. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I would agree with that. Trump isn't laughing though.
You can't possibly be serious. I have never met or heard of any religious leader that wasn't trying to expand their empire and influence. You really do have the mind of a 10 year old, don't you? "Christians" are NOT defined by their so-called "leaders" -- which in your fevered mind are Jim Baker, Swaggert, Oral Roberts, and the Pope. You are so disengaged from understanding the very definition of "Christian," or context of my posting, it is impossible to exchange any meaningful posts with you. Seek professional help. No, it's never too late. Give that crap a rest. Organized Christianity has been responsible for more deaths,torture,and suffering than anything else in history,including diseases. I rest my case. Like I said -- you are monumentally disengaged from reality. The hate and personal myths you embrace are choking your spirit and any ability to define and discern truth.
This is when a flaming Pagan or Wiccan "chaplain" will step in. /eyeball roll
Equal protection of a right does not arise until the right is established as existing. The claim of a fundamental right is not just the use of a surplus adjective. No, I don't think you've lost your mind; It's just been my observation that the 14A has been subverted and stretched faaaar beyond any original intent. Depending on which ideologue is driving it, a Mac Truck can be (and is) driven thru its loopholes.
These couples could be active duty member and civilian spouse or two active duty members. When opposite sex marital discord occurs, the couple is frequently mandated to marital counseling. How do they get counseled by a chaplain who finds their behavior morally repulsive and whom the couple also finds repulsive? How does the military accomodate all this, in all circumstances and locations? If they ignore it in certain locations or circumstances, and it leads to one spouse killing the other, that would be a different legal problem. Indeed. What about those chaplain funded 'marriage retreats' and 'marriage encounters' weekends? Have to check if they still do those or not. In the past with DOMA in effect those retreats were for traditional marriages. They were very secular in nature given by the chaplain with the education in "Family Life Counseling." Most of those chaplains were Evangelical and Baptist. I'm retired now from the Army, but in a job where I interact with military. I'll ask. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
This entails an assumption that there will be such chaplains, and in sufficient quantity.
I think 14A was designed to drive trucks through it. The people did not ratify the hidden intent of the framers. They ratified the text. By now, the amendment has probably gone places even the framers had not imagined.
I envision the response, "Don't ask me. I don't have a clue."
I just think such a program as couples weekend chaplain retreats will die on the vine. Never went to one. Wife and I are not the weepy touchy feely Phil Donahue crowd:) We solve our differences the old fashioned way..."Yes dear":) Before I retired hardly any units still had a Christmas or Holiday ball when everyone gets dressed in Blue Mess Dress and brings their spouse. Just think with all the rapid changes in the Army culture commanders are just fed up and don't do them anymore. I mean who wants to see their Command Sergeant Major on the dance floor with his husband dancing cheek to cheek? Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
The Marines almost religiously hold their Marine Ball. But that image you bring up, I just can't picture that with a room of Marines. Something for troubled couples will continue. It does not have to be effective, but command has to be able to say they took appropriate measures. They have to invent something and deem it appropriate.
In the last few years couples have gone straight to marriage counselors on referral off post or on post. That's probably the direction they are going in now. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
No,I leave that to the people who believe in magic and miracles. "Christians" are NOT defined by their so-called "leaders" - LOL! Good one! Ever try to explain that theory to the Pope? which in your fevered mind are Jim Baker, Swaggert, Oral Roberts, and the Pope. You are so disengaged from understanding the very definition of "Christian," I think I understand it better than most cult members. If they understood it at all,most would stop going to the churches they attend. Nothing fevered or imaginative about it,those ARE some of the better known Christian leaders,even though they are also competitors. I do think Anal Roberts is currently taking a dirt nap,though. So are all the Popes with the exception of the latest guy with the pointy hat. I rest my case. Like I said -- you are monumentally disengaged from reality. You just go ahead and keep ignoring all the people murdered by various religious cults,as well as all the local and major wars that were fought in the name of Gawd if that makes you feel better,if that is what helps you get through the day. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Please tell us about your vast experience with and personal knowledge of Pagan and Wiccan religious leaders and beliefs. Please feel free to leave out all the ones YOUR religion murdered and burned at the stake over the centuries if it makes you feel better because nobody should be held accountable for what they say when you set them on fire. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Were those interdenominational with Protestant Chaplains working with Protestant couples,Catholics with Catholic couple,Jews working with Jewish couples,etc,etc,etc? I really don't see how they would have worked very well if that had not been the case. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
AFAIK the US military is under no obligation to fulfill any sort of quota for their Chaplain Corps,and from THEIR POV a Jewish,Catholic,Protestant,Muslim,Buddist,or whatever Chaplain could serve as well as a Wiccian or Pagan Chaplain for general purposes. And given that this is an all-volunteer military today,no military member has any justification for throwing a hissy fit if he or she doesn't get the Chaplain of their Choice. Nobody forced them to enlist. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Why humor you further? You already have all the answers you need. /Staff of Swiss Psychiatrists Please feel free to leave out all the ones YOUR religion murdered and burned at the stake over the centuries if it makes you feel better because nobody should be held accountable for what they say when you set them on fire. It's as though I'm on one planet (Earth), and you're on another (PLUTO.) LOVE the dopey visit back into your time-machine, the lack of context as it relates to the original subject, AND vast, select self-serving revisionist history to boot. But it's par for the course. YOUR insane course. Let's just call this post of yours, 'Sneakypete's Mount Everest of Irrelevance, Stupidity and Ignorance'.
HUH?? Lol.. Tell us what your dumb-azz rants have to do with the subject at hand -- the persecution IN AMERICA of Fundamental Christian Chaplains, the hijacking of the military and government by subversives, AND what it means for America. NOT in the year 1515 but in the year 2015. I think I understand it [definition of Christian] better than most cult members. You don't even know the definition of "atheist." OR worst than that, "insanity." CLUE: Mirror.
Too full of uncomfortable truths,huh? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
One of us doesn't,and it ain't me. As I have stated before,I am not a member of ANY organized religion,including atheism. OR worst than that, "insanity." People who see visions and believe in miracles and magic are considered to be insane. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Counseling troubled same-sex married couples is the specific problem I have cited. A Bible or Quran thumping chaplain may not be able to provide such counseling or be compelled to do so. The problem is not a gay couple hissy fit, but the military finding enough suitable chaplains to fill the need if the same-sex married military population grows. They can encounter chaplains recusing themselves. Military doctors cannot be required to perform an abortion. Very few military abortions are performed.
Ummm I don't think there are pagan/wiccan chaplains in the military, the last one that I heard of got the boot about 8-10 years ago...
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
They can do it,which is part of the job they swore an oath to do,or they can resign their commissions. A Bible or Quran thumping chaplain may not be able to provide such counseling Of course they can. It's their duty to do so. Their jobs are not about "me",they are about the soldiers,sailors,airmen,or Marines they are sworn to serve. The problem is not a gay couple hissy fit, but the military finding enough suitable chaplains to fill the need if the same-sex married military population grows. No,the real problem is allowing politically correct brain farts get in the way of the national defense. The Generals could see this coming down the road and were no doubt oppposed to it,but in the US the Generals are not in charge of the military. Whatever PC dumbass that is sitting in the WH can tell them to start wearing French Maid dresses,and all they can legally do is say "Yes Sir!" and hope it explodes in the media. Frankly this should have never gotten this far. Neither should women serving in submarines or remote front line outposts with men. It's just asking for trouble where there MUST be unity. BTW,Chaplins are supposed to be primarily in the soul-saving business,not the business of judging the value of people who come to them for help or trying to convert them to their faiths. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Yes he was booted. Not so much because he was wiccan but that he was sponsored as a Pentecostal chaplain and then turned wiccan. Thus he lost his 'sponsorship' of the denomination and when that happens the Army will boot the chaplain. Don't think there are any other wiccan chaplains. The post chaplains usually give in to their demands of funds for their witchcraft ceremonies. But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead.--1 Corinthians 15:20-21
You are correct in your statements.
I intended not be able to in a literal sense. The chaplain may be unable to counsel how to best maintain a loving gay marriage when his own religious belief prevents him from discussing gay marriage in an approving manner. A chaplain might find it difficult to counsel them on gay sex life and marital obligations. The couple is not there to be comforted due to the death of a relative, a neutral subject. They are there for counseling regarding a relationship the chaplain's religion condemns. The chaplain my opt out of engaging in certain discussion to the point where his best good faith effort cannot meet their needs. It is not the duty of the chaplain to engage in anything which is repugnant to his own religious beliefs, just as it is not the duty of a military doctor to perform an abortion if that is repugnant to his religious beliefs. The specific situation has not arisen before, so it is difficult to say what problems will be encountered, but the interaction is likely to be very awkward. There will almost certainly be a clash between chaplains and the military if orders are given and they feel unable to comply. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/25/catholic-military-chaplains-gay_n_3989043.html Religion News Service (RNS) Catholic military chaplains cannot be forced to witness or bless a same-sex marriage, nor are they allowed to take part in any marriage counseling retreats that are open to gay couples under new rules issued by the Archdiocese for the Military Services. The rules, sent to chaplains on Sept. 18 by Archbishop Timothy P. Broglio, head of the AMS, also bar chaplains from taking part in a funeral for a Catholic if that participation “would give the impression that the church approves of same sex ‘marital’ relationships.” But the new rules also set out conditions that would allow Catholic military commanders to comply, without violating their beliefs, with rules giving same-sex couples under their command federal employee benefits as required by law. Broglio cited an interpretation from the National Catholic Bioethics Center explaining that Catholic commanders can morally facilitate benefits for gay couples in their command if there was no other way to avoid it without jeopardizing their career. “This is also contingent on the commander making known his/her objection to being required to … participate, as well as on attempting through legal channels to continue to accomplish changes in policy consistent with the historic understanding of marriage and family as based on natural moral law,” said the statement from the bioethics center. Broglio promulgated the rules in response to the military’s repeal of the Don’t Ask/ Don’t Tell policy for service personnel and the Supreme Court’s decision this summer to strike down a key component of the federal Defense of Marriage Act. The new policies were expected and follow similar guidelines issued last month by the Southern Baptist Convention for its chaplains. But they came out just a day before the release of a groundbreaking interview in which Pope Francis said the church was “obsessed” with issues like gay rights and called for a “new balance” in its public witness. There are 234 priests serving as active duty chaplains in the Army, Air Force and Navy for about 275,000 Catholic military personnel. About 25 percent of all personnel in the armed forces are Catholic, and eight percent of military chaplains are Catholic. Southern Baptists have nearly 1,500 endorsed chaplains serving in the U.S. military, more than any other denomination or faith group. In his statement, Broglio said the new federal policy on gay marriage and gay rights for military personnel “makes it necessary to reiterate with clarity the teaching of the Catholic Church regarding homosexuality.” He said that same-sex couples account for less than half of one percent of couples in the armed forces and “such a small group cannot be allowed to mandate policy for all.” “A clear disservice is rendered if the truth of the Gospel is confused by the actions of those ordained to disseminate that truth,” the archbishop said, adding that chaplains should also “never forget that it is the sin that is hated and never the sinner.” The new rules also reiterate that “anyone who is known to be in a sinful relationship is excluded from ministries” such as serving as a lector, catechist, altar server or from giving out Communion. Last year, Congress approved conscience protections for military members that allow them to express their personal beliefs without fear of punishment. http://outservemag.com/2012/03/military-chaplains-their-gays/ Outserve, March 2012 [excerpt] In 1993, when President Clinton tried to lift the ban on gays and lesbians serving openly, military chaplains led the opposition within the Pentagon working group. The same was true last year when the Comprehensive Review Working Group was conducting its investigation on the repeal of DADT. The chiefs of chaplains from the Army, Navy and Air Force, all from conservative denominations, were unanimous in their opposition to repeal. Their civilian allies from the Center for Military Readiness, Family Research Council, Alliance Defense Fund, Focus on the Family, Chaplains Alliance for Religious Liberty, and many denominational endorsers lobbied Congress to keep DADT and filed numerous documents opposing repeal with the Pentagon. [...] What about the right to religious liberty and access to welcoming and affirming military chaplains? And how can one find a safe and trusting environment on an installation where religious needs can be met? A brief history of the military chaplaincy might help answer those questions. The concept of a military chaplaincy strains the delicate balance between religious liberty and the separation of church and state, values enshrined in the First Amendment of the Constitution. Citizens of the United States hold religious liberty to be a fundamental human right. At the same time, the establishment clause prohibits the recognition or preference of any official religion. Chaplains serving as endorsed clergy and commissioned military officers must walk that narrow and often precarious line between free exercise and religious establishment. Other nations throughout history have long enlisted the support and services of clergy. The biblical record extols the exploits of Aaron, High Priest and brother of Moses, who served as spiritual counselor and military advisor. In the past, clergy have been called on to bless the troops, seek God’s favor, pray for the weather, mediate in times of war and peace, and even serve as sort of a rabbit’s foot for military leaders and service members. But that would hardly justify the mingling of church and state as seen in today’s military chaplaincy. [...] Some have objected to the demands of tolerance and pluralism, suggesting that the religious liberties and prerogatives of chaplains trump the duty to care for all service members, particularly service members who identify as LGBT. In a Feb. 17, 2010, letter to Former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, the Alliance Defense Fund wrote: “Ominously, supporters of the policy change are already arguing that normalizing homosexual behavior would require chaplains to provide pastoral counsel to individuals engaged in such behavior, and that refusal to do so based on religious objections would be a ‘breach of duty,’” concluding that such would be a violation of chaplains’ religious liberty. [...]
“As long as a city is encircled with walls all around,” wrote John Chrysostom, “it mocks its besiegers and remains in perfect safety. But once a breach is made in the wall, no larger than a gate, the circuit is no more use to it, though all the rest stands safe.” It is the same, he says, in the church: “As long as the nimble wits and the wisdom of the shepherd encompass it like a wall all around, all the enemy’s devices end in his own shame and ridicule, and the inhabitants remain unharmed; but when someone manages to break down a part of this defense, even though he fails to destroy it all, from that moment practically the whole city is ruined through that one part.” John Chrysostom on Culture Warsa And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6
I doubt the issues are any different since they are all human. It's going to be about money,power and control,not being home enough,being home too much,not enough sex,too much sex,jealousy,and relatives. Some things are universal. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Yes he was booted. Not so much because he was wiccan but that he was sponsored as a Pentecostal chaplain ND THEN TURNED WICCAN. Thus he lost his 'sponsorship' of the denomination and when that happens the Army will boot the chaplain. Don't think there are any other wiccan chaplains. The post chaplains usually give in to their demands of funds for their witchcraft ceremonies. So the Wiccan lied about his intent. Gee, what a surprise. From this day forward we can expect just about any cult (in the name of "equal protection/rights") to be humored. Never mind military and civilian law and protocol were always maintained accordingly. ALL this "social justice" nonsense adopting civilian criteria comes straight from the House of Ill Repute, Sodom, DC.
Dedicated to all the Wiccans. Enjoy the trip.
It is the same, he says, in the church: “As long as the nimble wits and the wisdom of the shepherd encompass it like a wall all around, all the enemy’s devices end in his own shame and ridicule, and the inhabitants remain unharmed; but when someone manages to break down a part of this defense, even though he fails to destroy it all, from that moment practically the whole city is ruined through that one part.” ~ John Chrysostom on Culture Warsa Wisdom and observations well worth repeating, Gary. Thanks. America's gates were severely compromised in 1973; Today the city walls of our nation, our church of righteousness and commitment to the principles of good, honor, and virtue have been breached by the enemy within, collapsed and carnage on display as seen though this Soviet lens, Berlin, 1945. Only THEN will these perverse subversives be happy. In my mind, the above photo presents the fantasy and goal of the the anti-Christian, anti-God, anti-American principle.
Twisted Sister. A Cartoon character "band" that prayed upon adolescent stupidity and ignorance. Musically, and every way possible Dee Snider and they were an embarrassment to the eye, to the ear, and to the soul.
This is what I found on the guy. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
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#62. To: nolu chan, out damned spot, cz82, redleghunter, liberator, mister white, gatlin, grandisland, cranky, chuck wagon, vinny (#60)
#63. To: CZ82, redleghunter (#59)
Defense Department spokesman Navy Lt. Cmdr. Nate Christensen said the ruling will not have any effect on the military when it comes to marriage recognition or benefits, since these have been in place since the court struck down the Defense of Marriage Act in 2013.
#64. To: nolu chan (#60)
But if it works as it has with abortions in the military, it may be difficult to find someone who will volunteer for the function. I rather doubt that military doctors unanimously oppose abortion at a personal level, but they are not going out of their way to make it available.
#65. To: redleghunter (#55)
I'm sure a gay military couple will test the waters. They will come in to either a Baptist or Catholic chaplain and ask for marriage counseling. Both will point out that they do not advise such unions and will no doubt refer them to some chaplain who will. We will only hear about the refusal part and not the referral part. It will make "news" and the chaplains will be vilified but exonerated yet their career will be over. It will be a victory for the homosexual lobby. Future chaplains will be recruited based on the same sex marriage litmus test and another institution will be hijacked by the secular left.
#66. To: Liberator (#56)
At what point does one person's fundamental right to marry someone of the same sex outweigh another person's freedom of religious expression?
#67. To: Liberator (#57)
Yes...But for Christians, America has not really been about expanding "Christian" power, influence, and goods.
#68. To: A K A Stone (#61)
And Obama is laughing as he knows he has sowed many destructive seeds that will affect long after the freak is gone.
#69. To: sneakypete (#68)
The Bush Crime Family,Jimmy Carter,Bill Clinton,and the entire RNC are laughing along with him.
#70. To: sneakypete (#67)
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(Yes...But for Christians, America has not really been about expanding "Christian" power, influence, and goods.)
#71. To: nolu chan, CZ82, redleghunter (#63)
When opposite sex marital discord occurs, the couple is frequently mandated to marital counseling. How do they get counseled by a chaplain who finds their behavior morally repulsive and whom the couple also finds repulsive?
#72. To: nolu chan (#58)
I disagree on one important point. The recent decision is based upon the Due Process Clause and the Equal Protection Clause is cited only for ancillary support to the main argument that same-sex marriage is a fundamental right. Really, I have not lost my mind and just made this crap up.
#73. To: nolu chan, CZ82, liberator (#63)
As more same-sex married couples enter the military community, difficulties will arise.
#74. To: Liberator (#71)
This is when a flaming Pagan or Wiccan "chaplain" will step in.
#75. To: Liberator (#72)
It's just been my observation that the 14A has been subverted and stretched faaaar beyond any original intent. Depending on which ideologue is driving it, a Mac Truck can be (and is) driven thru its loopholes.
#76. To: redleghunter (#73)
I'm retired now from the Army, but in a job where I interact with military. I'll ask.
#77. To: nolu chan, CZ82, liberator (#76)
I envision the response, "Don't ask me. I don't have a clue."
#78. To: redleghunter, CZ82, liberator (#77)
I mean who wants to see their Command Sergeant Major on the dance floor with his husband dancing cheek to cheek?
#79. To: nolu chan (#78)
Something for troubled couples will continue. It does not have to be effective, but command has to be able to say they took appropriate measures. They have to invent something and deem it appropriate.
#80. To: Liberator (#70)
You really do have the mind of a 10 year old, don't you?
#81. To: Liberator (#71)
This is when a flaming Pagan or Wiccan "chaplain" will step in.
#82. To: redleghunter (#73)
What about those chaplain funded 'marriage retreats' and 'marriage encounters' weekends?
#83. To: nolu chan (#74)
This entails an assumption that there will be such chaplains, and in sufficient quantity.
#84. To: sneakypete (#81)
Please tell us about your vast experience...
#85. To: sneakypete (#80)
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You just go ahead and keep ignoring all the people murdered by various religious cults,as well as all the local and major wars that were fought in the name of Gawd if that makes you feel better,if that is what helps you get through the day.
#86. To: Liberator (#84)
Let's just call this post of yours, 'Sneakypete's Mount Everest of Irrelevance, Stupidity and Ignorance'.
#87. To: Liberator (#85)
You don't even know the definition of "atheist."
#88. To: sneakypete (#83)
AFAIK the US military is under no obligation to fulfill any sort of quota for their Chaplain Corps,and from THEIR POV a Jewish, Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, Buddist, or whatever Chaplain could serve as well as a Wiccian or Pagan Chaplain for general purposes.
#89. To: Liberator, redleghunter (#71)
#90. To: nolu chan (#88)
Counseling troubled same-sex married couples is the specific problem I have cited.
#91. To: CZ82, liberator (#89)
Ummm I don't think there are pagan/wiccan chaplains in the military, the last one that I heard of got the boot about 8-10 years ago...
#92. To: sneakypete (#49)
#93. To: sneakypete (#90)
A Bible or Quran thumping chaplain may not be able to provide such counseling
Of course they can. It's their duty to do so. Their jobs are not about "me",they are about the soldiers,sailors,airmen,or Marines they are sworn to serve.
Catholic Military Chaplains Barred From From Performing Gay Weddings, Funerals, Counseling
By David Gibson
Posted: 09/25/2013 11:15 am EDT
Updated: 09/25/2013 5:01 pm EDT The armed services have traditionally reflected the society they are sworn to defend. However, with the elimination of the draft, the military has moved to the political and cultural right, and so has the military chaplaincy. Today, partially as a result of a determined effort by some evangelical groups, chaplains endorsed by socially conservative denominations are in the majority within the military. Consequently, they exerted a significant and negative influence in the long and laborious journey to repeal DADT.
#94. To: Liberator, ALL (#50)
#95. To: nolu chan (#93)
The chaplain may be unable to counsel how to best maintain a loving gay marriage when his own religious belief prevents him from discussing gay marriage in an approving manner.
#96. To: redleghunter, CZ82, nolu chan, Ferret Mike (#91)
("Ummm I don't think there are pagan/wiccan chaplains in the military, the last one that I heard of got the boot about 8-10 years ago...")
#97. To: Liberator (#96)
#98. To: GarySpFC, redleghunter, CZ82, nolu chan (#94)
As long as a city is encircled with walls all around,” wrote John Chrysostom, “it mocks its besiegers and remains in perfect safety. But once a breach is made in the wall, no larger than a gate, the circuit is no more use to it, though all the rest stands safe.”
#99. To: A K A Stone (#97)
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#100. To: redleghunter, Liberator, nolu chan (#91)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/18/AR2007021801396.html
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