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Title: Pentagon Urged To Boot Chaplains Who Oppose 'Gay' Marriage
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URL Source: http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/2015/July02/024.html
Published: Jul 3, 2015
Author: July 02, 2015 | JACK MINOR
Post Date: 2015-07-03 23:06:14 by Don
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In the aftermath of the Supreme Court’s decision to redefine marriage in all 50 states, the Pentagon is now being urged to “cleanse itself” of chaplains who refuse to support same-sex marriage. Activist Mikey Weinstein, president of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, is demanding the U.S. military conduct a purge of chaplains who holds to the traditional teaching of homosexuality and marriage espoused by the first commander in chief, George Washington. Weinstein claims chaplains who are “maintaining the state of antagonism between their religion and the sexual/gender identities of service members” have no business serving in the military. “Nobody is arguing that these losers don’t have a right to their religious beliefs,” wrote Weinstein in an op-ed. “At this stage, the only honorable thing that these losers can do is to fold up their uniforms, turn in their papers, and get the hell out of the American military chaplaincy. If they are unwilling or too cowardly to do so, then the Department of Defense must expeditiously cleanse itself of the intolerant filth that insists on lingering in the ranks of our armed forces.” While Weinstein frequently calls for the court-martialing of military members who attempt to share their faith with others, he is now calling for an entire class of chaplains to be fired regardless of whether their beliefs affect their job performance or not. Brig. Gen. Doug Lee, now chairman of the executive committee for the Chaplain Alliance for Religious Liberty, said Weinstein’s views are extreme, showing a lack of understanding of a chaplain’s mission. “His comments are so vitriolic and dividing that they are hardly worth responding to. He seems to feel the need to push his conspiracy theory about certain chaplains in the military,” Lee told WND. “In addition, I don’t think he understands that the job of chaplain exists in a pluralistic military so that people have religious support, and to do away with a certain group of chaplains in its entirety is just ridiculous. “It’s like he never learned a thing in law school about the Constitution and about why chaplains exist.” Lee contends one cannot say chaplains have no right to oppose homosexuality based on the teachings of their faith while also supporting their right to stand by other tenets, such as refusing to marry those outside of their faith. “A chaplain cannot do something against his faith tenet such as marrying someone who has different religious beliefs if that is a tenet of their faith. They cannot be asked to do it, and they cannot be required to do it.” Lee told WND that those who think a chaplain must affirm or support the beliefs of everyone who comes for counseling or teaching misunderstand the purpose of chaplains. “The job of a chaplain is to provide religious support or perform religious support. The ‘provide’ part is to help a person find someone who can meet the individual’s spiritual needs. For example, I would not prepare a Passover meal for a Jewish service member, but I will direct them to a rabbi who can address that area. But when I do perform religious support, whether it be to teach, preach or counsel, I do so from my faith perspective.” For his part, Weinstein said he’s looking forward to ending the conservative influence in the military. “What will become of their once-ironclad dominance of fundamentalist Christian privilege within the Department of Defense?” said Weinstein. Lee insists chaplains don’t use their pulpit and position to call on service members to disobey orders regarding the treatment of “gay” service members. “For the vast majority of chaplains in the military, their faith groups believe that homosexuality is a sin and so they believe marriage is between a man and a woman as Christians have believed for thousands of years,” Lee explained to WND. “But the chaplains are saying that if someone comes to them for counseling with the homosexual partner they won’t ignore that person’s concerns, instead they will refer them to someone who can help with their specific needs because that’s part of providing religious support.” WND reported how the military tried to silence opposition to repeal of the Revolutionary War ban on homosexuals serving in the military during a lame-duck session of Congress, after tea-party voters gave Republicans control of the House of Representatives in 2010. In 2013, soldiers were given a training brief stating evangelical Christians were the No. 1 extremist threat to America, ahead of groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood, Ku Klux Klan, Nation of Islam, al-Qaida and Hamas. Catholicism and ultra-orthodox Judaism were also on the list of religious extremist organizations. As WND reported, Larry Wilkerson, former chief of staff to Colin Powell, told the Washington Post in 2013 the biggest problems faced by the military were sexual assault and what he described as proselytizing by Christians. Wilkerson’s comments were made to Sally Quinn in an interview that also featured former ambassador Joe Wilson and Weinstein as they were on their way to a meeting at the Pentagon. Wilson told Quinn that if a chaplain would proselytize, it would be a workplace violation. Weinstein went even further and said it was a “national security threat” and amounted to “spiritual rape.” He said the chaplain’s role is to minister to spiritual needs. Weinstein said military leaders need to understand “there is systematic misogyny, anti-Semitism and Islamophobia in the military.” “What the Pentagon needs to understand is that it is sedition and treason. It should be punished.” Read more at http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/2015/July02/024.html#rAB6z7mffBjuVXm4.99
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#4. To: Don (#0)
Weinstein claims chaplains who are “maintaining the state of antagonism between their religion and the sexual/gender identities of service members” have no business serving in the military. As the old testament and new testament condemn homosexual sex and define marriage in terms of a man and woman, this would seem to encompass all observant Jews and Christians.
Lots of Muslims in the military about the same number of Jews..... http://www.vosizneias.com/43746/2009/11/25/new-yor,-should-more-Jews-join- the-u-s-military/ Of a total of 1,359,948 active duty members of the military, just 4,515 are Jewish. That’s just 1/3 of one percent of the total, leading only the Muslim service members, which total 3,409 at 1/2 of one percent. In the United States, Jews number between 5,128,000 and 6,444,000, and therefore make up between 1.7 and 2.2 % of our total population of 301,621,000 (U.S. Census Bureau). If Jews served in the military in proportion to their numbers in the general population, there should be between 23,119 and 29,919 Jews in the armed services today. The truth is there is less than 25% of that.
I should have included them too. Now, what religion can the chaplains be drawn from? Wicca?
The U.S. Army Chaplains Guide to Wicca
But if devout, observant Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, and Muslim clerics are excluded from the chaplain corps, do you believe your or anyone else could sell an all Wiccan or Pagan chaplain corps to the American people? Challenging all who believe in one or both books of the Bible, or the Quran, might lead to quite a backlash.
The religion of the chaplain is not the point, a chaplain is there to serve the spiritual and emotional needs of others. Chaplains perform wedding or conduct funeral ceremonies, administer communion, deliver spiritual messages, offer prayer at public meetings, and provide regular counseling. Other chaplains meet the need of the moment, usually through listening and prayer. I was a Wicca practitioner while in the military, but when I was facing a special court martial I was interviewed and evaluated by a Protestant chaplain for additional evaluation. I eventually was found not guilty, but I was under immense stress and not handling it well and the Chaplain, named Major Peacock helped me put things into perspective. There will never likely ever be a 'pagan Chaplain Corp,' as there are not as meany Pagans in the military, or general society to draw on to have them in high numbers. The mix will likely always be with Christians in the majority, with a smaller number of Muslim, Jewish and members of other faiths like Wicca. Confronting people to try to challenge a service member's faith is something a Chaplain should never do.
It's the ENTIRE point. Did you miss the thread title and subject at hand: Title: Pentagon Urged To Boot Chaplains Who Oppose 'Gay' Marriage Those targeted chaplains are FUNDMENTAL CHRISTIAN. Not only that, Mikey Weinstein has specifically persecuted AND called for the ouster of Christian chaplains who openly display the Bible. I was a Wicca practitioner while in the military, but when I was facing a special court martial I was interviewed and evaluated by a Protestant chaplain for additional evaluation. I eventually was found not guilty... Who other than a Prot-Christian chaplain is going to show you that kind of understanding and compassion? I've an interpretation to make about your icon and symbolism -- ostensibly in "honor" of the Grateful Dead.' It's an open skull (the symbol of death.) The surrounding the periphery are some confusing psychedelic patterns. Within the skull and space of the brain is a temptingly beautiful blue sea trailing into sunny horizon -- a giant "Peace Sign" stands as monument and goalpost. Pretty slick, seductive deception. What it DOESN'T show is...just beyond that sunny, promise of peace...is the Lake of Fire. And by that time it's too late to turn back. The "Peace Sign"? What does it mean? It depends on who is displaying it. What's its history? The Saracens in A.D. 711 used this symbol to alternately represent a broken cross, a raven's claw, or a witch's foot, all presumably satanic symbols. Under the reign of Roman Emperor Nero, infamous for his brutal persecution of Christians and Jews, this symbol was prominently used to represent a broken cross or broken Jew. Nero crucified the Apostle Peter upside down, and the horrific event resembled the downward-pointing fork. It was thereafter called the Neronic cross. Source: http://www.gotquestions.org/peace-sign.html
Link: Grateful Dead Symbols De-Coded Part 4: The Skull and Lightning Bolt "For the next leg of our journey on our search for the meanings behind the Grateful Dead's iconic symbols, let's take a look at one of my personal favorites: the skull and lightning bolt, or “Steal your Face” logo. This image of a skull, cracked and divided by a lightning bolt that divides the head into two hemispheres—most typically blue and red, with the lower portion of the skull in white. Designed in 1969, the logo was the collaborative work of Owsley Stanley and artist Bob Thomas. Owsley was inspired by a freeway sign he happened to pass by—a round shape divided by a bold white line into an orange half and a blue half. The general shape and colors stood out, and Owsley had the notion that a blue and red design with a lightning bolt with make a cool logo. He shared his idea with Bob Thomas, who then drew up plans of the design. Originally, there was no skull face—the logo was simply a circle divided with the lightning bolt. The skull face was added on a few days later, as a way to symbolize the “Grateful Dead.” The band first used the logo as an identifying mark on their musical equipment, and later the symbol appeared on the inside album jacket of the self-titled album The Grateful Dead. The logo later appeared on the cover of the album Steal your Face, and has been known as the Steal your Face symbol ever since. Perhaps its the lightning bolt that signifies transformation, enlightenment, and the raw powers of nature, juxtaposed with a skull image and striking, distinct colors that lends to the symbol's equation to the whole “steal your face” concept. Through the band's music and the scene and philosophy that the music inspired, people were transformed. Their everyday masks were “cracked” by the honesty, the openness and “realness” of the Grateful Dead culture, and their mundane, limited identities were left behind. The skull and lightning symbol just happens to perfectly symbolize and encapsulate this idea, even though it was created years before the song which eventually came to lend the iconic graphic it its name."
Mike -- thanks for providing a different interpretation and your opinion of this "Grateful Dead" symbol. I realize that on its surface to you perhaps it represents...just another Grateful Dead symbol. I have nothing against GD fans, or their music. I respect your admiration of the band and nostalgia. That said -- in scraping below the surface, like many symbols -- a dual meaning is intended. In this case, occultist meanings and symbolism can be found. The skull has ALWAYS symbolized "death." The rest of your particular icon presents further problematic symbolism, as explained by the recognizable Peace Sign. In the context of the skull (and death), the peace sign is no longer. It is a "broken cross, a raven's claw, or a witch's foot" -- all can be presumed satanic symbols, and mockery of the Jews who believed in Christ's cross. I can't presume to know your heart -- whether this symbolism plays into your display of this particular "Grateful Dead" icon, or it's just simply a benign, favorite GD icon of yours. But for others...it is what it is.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestActivist Mikey Weinstein, president of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, is demanding the U.S. military conduct a purge of chaplains who holds to the traditional teaching of homosexuality and marriage espoused by the first commander in chief, George Washington.
#5. To: nolu chan, Don (#4)
As the old testament and new testament condemn homosexual sex and define marriage in terms of a man and woman, this would seem to encompass all observant Jews and Christians.
#6. To: Pericles (#5)
Lots of Muslims in the military about the same number of Jews.....
#12. To: nolu chan (#6)
#39. To: Ferret Mike (#12)
The U.S. Army Chaplains Guide to Wicca
#42. To: nolu chan (#39)
#46. To: Ferret Mike, redleghunter, Bob Celeste, garyspfc, Don, Stoner (#42)
The religion of the chaplain is not the point...
#47. To: Liberator (#46)
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I have long been a Deadhead. I have seen 171 concerts and collect Grateful Dead graphics and icons. The last shows of the Dead are occurring right now this weekend at Soldier's Field in Chicago. I also have worked for Ray Sewell at one of his 'Chez Ray's restaurants. Ray once was the chef that traveled with the band and prepared meals and food. I have gone to Ken Kesey's ranch in Pleasant Hill, Oregon with Ray and his family to two of Ken's New Year's Day parties, Ray and others in that community knew me from my near death from a forty-three foot fall from a tree cutting protest which made me well known in my area. I have also enjoyed the backstage scene of the group originally called the Warlocks and the Grateful Dead is one of my favorite groups. I just have this variation of a Steal Your Face up to honor the band and their family who's last shows are this weekend which also marks fifty years of the existence of the Grateful Dead.
#51. To: Ferret Mike (#47)
#54. To: Liberator, Ferret Mike (#51)
I can't presume to know your heart -- whether this symbolism plays into your display of this particular "Grateful Dead" icon, or it's just simply a benign, favorite GD icon of yours. But for others...it is what it is.
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