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Title: Obama: Americans need to shift religious views to accept gay marriage
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URL Source: http://www.examiner.com/article/oba ... s-views-to-accept-gay-marriage
Published: Jun 27, 2015
Author: Joe Newby
Post Date: 2015-06-27 15:05:46 by lana
Keywords: None
Views: 20009
Comments: 141

Obama: Americans need to shift religious views to accept gay marriage

After the Supreme Court issued its ruling on gay marriage Friday, President Obama gave a speech in which he said Americans need to change their religious views to be accepting of gay marriage, the Daily Caller reported. To that end, he encouraged gay marriage supporters to "help” people overcome their deeply-held religious views.

“I know that Americans of goodwill continue to hold a wide range of views on this issue,” he said. Initially, he exhibited a bit of respect for those who oppose same-sex marriage.

"Opposition in some cases has been based on sincere and deeply held beliefs,” he said. “All of us who welcome today’s news should be mindful of that fact. Recognize different viewpoints. Revere our deep commitment to religious freedom.”

"But today should also give us hope that on the many issues with which we grapple often painfully real change is possible,” he added. The implication was clear: Those who disagree with the idea of gay marriage based, for example, on their religious views, must change to be more like progressives who accept gay marriage.

“Shifts in hearts and minds is possible,” he added. “And those who have come so far on their journey to equality have a responsibility to reach back and help others join them. Because for all our differences, we are one people — stronger together than we could ever be alone.”

"That’s always been our story," he continued. "We are big and vast, and diverse. A nation of people with different backgrounds and beliefs, with different experiences and stories, but bound by our shared ideal that no matter who you are, or what you look like, how you started off, or how and who you love — America’s a place where you can write your own destiny.”

A post at the conservative blog Chicks on the Right posted it's translation of Obama's comments. "All you crazy religious people who believe in traditional marriage need to change your beliefs!" the blog said. "They're holding you back from joining up with the rest of us super-smart people who aren't burdened by those pesky moral standards given to you by a Higher Power. We know soooooo much better than you and we certainly know soooooo much better than God! Drop the religion crap already and come join us in supporting something you find morally repugnant! Give it time - you'll get over it soon enough!"

The blog also saw something of a threat in Obama's comments. "This is our chance to choose to jump up and party with all the same-sex marriage celebrators before you come down and force us to do it?" the blog asked. "What are you going to do if we're still not on board with it? If we still cling to God and religion? 'Cause I'm pretty secure in the knowledge that God will have something to say about that in a future day."

Obama, as we reported in 2012, has spent some time shifting and evolving on the issue of gay marriage. In February 1996, he wrote on a candidate questionnaire: “I favor legalizing same-sex marriages, and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages.” In 2011, however, then-White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer claimed the statement was written by someone else.

"What I believe is that marriage is between a man and a woman … What I believe, in my faith, is that a man and a woman, when they get married, are performing something before God, and it’s not simply the two persons who are meeting,” he said during his 2004 U.S. Senate campaign. In 2008, he supported civil unions, but not gay marriage.

In 2012, he came on board with gay marriage, apparently reverting back to his 1996 position. But as we reported at the time, there was one caveat. He still supported the states' right to decide the matter for themselves.

Celebrating the Supreme Court decision, the White House was lit up in the colors of the gay rainbow flag Friday. The Interior Department marked it with a picture of two men kissing on the edge of Colorado's Black Canyon, drawing praise from many and criticism from others.

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#1. To: lana (#0)

0blabla:

"What I believe is that marriage is between a man and a woman … What I believe, in my faith, is that a man and a woman, when they get married, are performing something before God, and it’s not simply the two persons who are meeting,” he said during his 2004 U.S. Senate campaign. In 2008, he supported civil unions, but not gay marriage.

This man is a pathological liar. We all know that.

0blabla not told a single truth his entire life -- much less during his fake, contrived Presidency.

Meanwhile, the anecdotal sickening level of over-representation and influence within this gubmint was on display:

Celebrating the Supreme Court decision, the White House was lit up in the colors of the gay rainbow flag Friday. The Interior Department marked it with a picture of two men kissing on the edge of Colorado's Black Canyon, drawing praise from many and criticism from others.

America: An absolute disgrace from seas to shining sea; an effete nation of cowards (Holder was right.) America IS at the Salton Sea stage of its existence.

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-27   15:26:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Liberator (#1)

America: An absolute disgrace from seas to shining sea; an effete nation of cowards (Holder was right.) America IS at the Salton Sea stage of its existence.

Perhaps you're over-reacting a bit..... really, we still live in the greatest nation on earth!

Ok sure, I understand that there are some folks who are ready to have their heads explode, but in reality the USA is still the best place to call home!

Maybe we should all be thankful that we have the rights to disagree and debate.....

Of course, on the other hand....what are you to do now? Will you renounce your citizenship and settle elsewhere?

Or what?

Jameson  posted on  2015-06-27   17:07:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Jameson (#11)

we still live in the greatest nation on earth!

The definition of the greatest nation on earth can't be a nation that thinks queers are anything other then abnormal losers that are also stupid.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-27   18:41:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: A K A Stone (#22)

The definition of the greatest nation on earth can't be a nation that thinks queers are anything other then abnormal losers that are also stupid.

The English mathematician that broke the Nazi Enigma codes during WW-2 was a homosexual. Do you think you are smarter than he was?

BTW,it became known that he was a homosexual after the war,and he lost his job and pretty much everything he had worked for because of it,and IIRC,he ended up killing himself.

I guess you think that was a just reward for his work during WW-2?

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-27   19:33:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: sneakypete (#25)

after the war,and he lost his job and pretty much everything he had worked for because of it

Good.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-27   19:34:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: A K A Stone, sneakypete (#26)

The English mathematician that broke the Nazi Enigma codes during WW-2 was a homosexual

after the war,and he lost his job and pretty much everything he had worked for because of it

Good.

His deciphering of the Enigma codes played a huge part in us winning the war, and you say"good"?

Unreal.

Say - you aren't part of the "God Hates Fags" clan, are you?

Deckard  posted on  2015-06-27   19:43:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Deckard, A K A Stone, sneakypete (#30)

The English mathematician that broke the Nazi Enigma codes during WW-2 ...

I thought it was Polish cryptologists who in 1932 first discovered ways of deciphering Enigma. The Poles did so with the aid of French-supplied intelligence material obtained from a German spy. The Poles actually built replicas of the machines. The Poles turned over the methodology and the machines to the British and French at the beginning of the war. However, credit for breaking the code was given to Alan Turing and Joan Clark at Bletchley Park in the UK.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-27   22:13:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Gatlin (#52)

I thought it was Polish cryptologists who in 1932 first discovered ways of deciphering Enigma.

I THINK they had help from a Polish partisan group that ambushed a Nazi convoy and managed to capture a early Enigma machine with the code books.

IIRC,this was the source of the early British ability to read the Nazi messages. Then the Royal Navy managed to capture a Nazi U-boat and board it before it sank to save the code books and the code machine.

Then later in the war the Nazi's developed a new Enigma machine with an additional set of rotors,and it was a whole new game. IIRC,this new code was the one the guy broke.

I THINK he is also credited with inventing the first working computer,which is what was needed to reduce the number of possibilities,but could be wrong about this.

I got all this from watching a PBS series about "The Code Breakers of Benchley Park"(or some similar title) a few years ago. Despite his young age he was a bleeping genius that headed up the operation,but he by no means did it all by himself. I also read a novel about the Enigma Machine sometime back in the early 60's.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-27   23:07:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: sneakypete (#53) (Edited)

Then the Royal Navy managed to capture a Nazi U-boat and board it before it sank to save the code books and the code machine.

U505 IIRC...

CZ82  posted on  2015-06-28   8:57:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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