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Title: Church members push to use marijuana during religious services
Source: wpri.com
URL Source: http://wpri.com/2015/05/23/church-m ... ana-during-religious-services/
Published: May 23, 2015
Author: Erica Ponte
Post Date: 2015-05-24 07:48:15 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 5515
Comments: 32

PROVIDENCE, R.I. (WPRI) – Members of a church went to downtown Providence to show it is their constitutional right to use cannabis.

Services are normally held at the home of the church’s leader and former Rhode Island Gubernatorial candidate Anne Armstrong, but the group recently decided to pray publicly at the Roger Williams National Memorial in Providence. Earlier this week, three members were cited for possessing a controlled substance.

Armstrong says, “This is a very important constitutional issue and if it can’t be decided here. I don’t think there is any hope for America frankly.”

Alan Gordon is a member of the church and says, “I’ve been a religious user since 1993… “I look at the bible. I read what it says and what it says is its full of this plant called cannabis in Hebrew that is depicted in scripture matches precisely what we call cannabis today.”

In a push to continue to worship at the park, the group asked the U.S. courts for an injunction, to legally be allowed to smoke marijuana during their 45- minute Saturday service. The Healing Church received the permit to hold a prayer service, but not the injunction, which meant law enforcement, would be standing by.”

Providence Police say if anyone is caught smoking marijuana illegally, they could be ticketed and if it’s a larger amount, they could be charged criminally.

Poster Comment:
If is there is a choice of between the Praise the Lord and Pass the Pot religious ritual practice here or the Praise the Lord and Pass the Rattler religious ritual of serpent handling….then, Brother, I ask for a third choice of neither.

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#1. To: All (#0)

Gatlin  posted on  2015-05-24   7:50:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Gatlin (#0)

"Members of a church went to downtown Providence to show it is their constitutional right to use cannabis."

Yeah. All four of them.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-05-24   9:53:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Gatlin (#0) (Edited)

Church members push to use marijuana during religious services

Better they should use their heads and get up and walk out of these mindless sh!tholes.

rlk  posted on  2015-05-24   12:38:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Gatlin (#0)

He says that the Bible is "full of this plant called cannibis in Hebrew", and that it precisely matches what we call cannibis today.

Really?

I would very much like to see those passages. (They don't exist.)

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-05-24   18:41:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Vicomte13 (#4)

http://www.vice.com/read/did-jesus-perform-his-miracles-with-cannabis-oil

The Anointed One: Did Jesus Perform His Miracles with Cannabis Oil?

Pericles  posted on  2015-05-25   0:40:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Vicomte13 (#4)

Haters of the Holy Bible often lie. They have no other recourse in trying to prove some silly point or another.

Don  posted on  2015-05-25   0:46:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Vicomte13 (#4)

(They don't exist.)

You sound quite sure of yourself. Ever heard of Kaneh-Bosem? Sounds kind of like Cannabis, doesn't it.

BBC: Cannabis linked to Biblical healing

Jesus Christ and his apostles may have used a cannabis-based anointing oil to help cure people with crippling diseases, it has been claimed.

Researchers in the United States say the oil used in the early days of the Christian church contained a cannabis extract called kaneh-bosem.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_anointing_oil#Others
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2633187.stm

The Guardian: Jesus 'healed using cannabis'

Jesus was almost certainly a cannabis user and an early proponent of the medicinal properties of the drug, according to a study of scriptural texts published this month. The study suggests that Jesus and his disciples used the drug to carry out miraculous healings.

The anointing oil used by Jesus and his disciples contained an ingredient called kaneh-bosem which has since been identified as cannabis extract
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/jan/06/science.religion

CHRISTIANS & POT: A HIGH HOLY HISTORY

http://www.hightimes.com/read/christians-pot-high-holy-history

Whether Kaneh-Bosem is Cannabis oil or not, the Cannabis plant makes millions of people around the world feel better. And, like the US GOV says, it kills cancer cells. So it's not impossible that Jesus healed with Cannabis.

Operation 40  posted on  2015-05-25   0:56:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Operation 40, Vicomte13 (#7)

Chapter and verse please.

“Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.” (Matthew 11:28)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-05-25   2:30:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: rlk (#3)

I find myself agreeing with you.

“Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.” (Matthew 11:28)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-05-25   2:31:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Operation 40 (#7)

Kaneh-Bosem is not a Greek word. The New Testament was written in Greek.

Where, specifically, does that term appear in the New Testament (it doesn't).

Where, specifically, does that term appear in the Old Testament?

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-05-25   14:48:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Vicomte13 (#10)

Have you studied the Bible several times? You seem quite knowledgeable on the matter.

I sent you a PM. :)

ebonytwix  posted on  2015-05-25   16:08:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Vicomte13 (#10)

Sara Benetowa, later known as Sula Benet (1903–1982), was a Polish anthropologist of the 20th century who studied Polish and Judaic customs and traditions.

Cannabis research

One part of Benet's writings which has attracted some modern attention is her claim that the herb known as kaneh-bosm or kneh-bosm mentioned in the Hebrew Bible may relate to religious use of cannabis. Kaneh-bosm is listed in the Book of Exodus as one of the ingredients of the holy anointing oil used in the tabernacle and later in the temple, and has historically and also by modern lexical and botanical scholars today been interpreted as calamus or related plants.

By an argument based on comparative etymology Benet asserts that the word kaneh-bosm actually refers to the drug cannabis and was used in ancient Jewish religious rites, possibly as an intoxicant. Some pro-cannabis advocates have cited Benet's work as evidence that cannabis use has a long culturally important history, and that the criminalization and demonization of cannabis is a recent invention. According to Benet, cannabis appears in ancient Hebrew texts spelled with the Hebrew letters: “Kuph, Nun, Hé Bet, Shin, Mem,” translated into western alphabetic forms as ¹aneh-bosm, kaneh-bosm or kineboisin. The book of Exodus records the event of Moses receiving the instructions for making and distributing the hemp enriched holy oil, in the most auspicious tones.[2][3]

Then the Lord said to Moses, "Take the following fine spices: 500 shekels of liquid myrrh, half as much of fragrant cinnamon, 250 shekels of qaneh-bosm, 500 shekels of cassia--all according to the sanctuary shekel--and a hind of olive oil. Make these into a sacred anointing oil” (Exodus 30: 22-33)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sula_Benet

What do YOU think this qaneh-bosm was?

Whatever it was,the "Drug War" was not about morality or virtue.

The "Drug War" was about preventing people from treating themselves and forcing them to buy pharmaceutical concoctions that are multiple times worse than the 100% natural God Given Hemp Plant.

Operation 40  posted on  2015-05-25   17:03:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Operation 40 (#12)

We will go over these words tomorrow. Too late tonight, and too tired.

Kaneh means stalk or stem, as in "sugar CANE". "Kaneh voshem" is not the name of a thing. It is the stalk of a thing, the thing being voshem or bosom. Bosem means a sweet-smelling plant.

In the same sentence bosom is used to describe cinnamon and myrrh. The third 'kaneh voshem" is the stalk of some sweet smelling plant, probably frankincense.

"Kaneh" appears many times in Exodus, mostly referring to the stalks that are part of the lamp stand (the menorah) in the temple. It appears also in the description of the temple incense.

Bosem appears three times in the same sentence, a it refers to sweet-smelling plants. The third sweet- smelling plant is not identified. Could be anything. Cannibis doesn't smell sweet, it smells strong. Frankinsence is a very popular sweet smelling herb of incense from the Middle Eastern deserts. If 'voshem" was a specific plant, it was probably that.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-05-25   21:58:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Vicomte13 (#13)

You're always a pleasure to read. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-05-25   22:00:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone (#14)

Thanks.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-05-26   9:51:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Operation 40, Vicomte13 (#12)

250 shekels of qaneh-bosm, 500 shekels of cassia-

Which is an aromatic REED....Not WEED. Didn't see where in Exodus 30 the Levites were rolling it up and smoking it, getting 'high.'

qaneh

I.reed, stalk, bone, balances A. stalk

B. water-plant, reed

C. calamus (aromatic reed)

D. derived meanings i. measuring-rod

ii. reed (as unit of measure - 6 cubits)

iii. beam (of scales - for scales themselves)

iv. shaft (of lampstand)

v. branches (of lampstand)

vi. shoulder-joint

“Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.” (Matthew 11:28)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-05-26   10:23:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Vicomte13, A K A Stone (#15)

Your info about kaneh-bosm sent me researching for quite a while. In doing so, I came to believe that Sula Benet was not the authority some claim she was. What is your opinion?

Gatlin  posted on  2015-05-26   10:26:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Gatlin (#17)

I haven't researched Sula Benet so I'm in no position to evaluate him or her.

All I see here is potheads desperate to find reverence for their idol (cannibis) in the Bible. It's not true.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-05-26   11:04:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: redleghunter (#16)

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-05-26   11:10:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: redleghunter (#16)

Yes, Kaneh (spelled variously) (QNH) - cane - means stalk. CANE sugar is an example of its use.

The "VSM" or "BSM" part, voshem or bosem, refers to sweet smelling.

Cassia is cinnamon.

What, exactly the third ingredient was, the text doesn't say. COULD it have been cannabis? Doubtful. Cannabis is not sweet smelling. It was very probably frankinsence, as that IS the "sweet smelling plant" of that region, though it could be any of a number of other plants. Maybe even cannibis, although that seems unlikely.

God gave man all of the plants, including cannibis, and we have dominion over them. I don't personally believe in harsh drug laws for that very reason: it is not for man to tell other men how they use plants.

However, to take one's drug of preference and pretend that it's part of the sacred incense of the Temple, or to pretend that Jesus used some sort of cannabis oil in his healings is idolatrous, and it's factually silly. Jesus didn't use oils in his healings. He said "Rise and walk", and the cripple rose and walk. He usually said words and things happened. Once he made a paste of mud and spit. But that's it.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-05-26   11:11:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Vicomte13 (#20)

Once he made a paste of mud and spit. But that's it.

And no one seems to want to smoke or inhale mud and spit here:)

“Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.” (Matthew 11:28)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-05-26   11:17:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: redleghunter, ALL (#21)

Here is where we get the word "pharmacy" and "witchcraft."

Sorcery translates pharmakeia, from which we get pharmacy and pharmaceutical. It was originally used of medicines in general but came to be used primarily of mood-and mind-altering drugs similar to those that create so much havoc in our own day. Many ancient religious ceremonies involved occultic practices in which drugs were used to induce supposed communication with deities, and pharmakeia thereby came to be closely related to witchcraft and magic. Aristotle and other ancient Greek writers used the word as a synonym for witchcraft and black magic, because drugs were so commonly used in their to witchcraft and magic. Aristotle and other ancient Greek writers used the word as a synonym for witchcraft and black magic, because drugs were so commonly used in their practice.

And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-05-26   13:14:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Vicomte13 (#18)

Thanks.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-05-26   13:38:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Vicomte13 (#18)

All I see here is potheads desperate to find reverence for their idol (cannibis) in the Bible. It's not true.

Well you just defined the issue.

“Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.” (Matthew 11:28)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-05-26   13:42:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Vicomte13, Operation 40 (#13)

Operation 40 is finding that facts are pesky things.

It never ceases to amaze me how people can rationalize their interpreation of the Bible to fit just about anything they wish to believe.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-05-26   13:46:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: SOSO (#25)

Funny thing is that a straightforward read of Genesis will find man given dominion over the land and all the plants, and that man can consume the plants as he pleases.

So, the Bible DOES give the potheads a sacred argument: that men should not be interposing laws to limit the range of basic freedom God gave them to exercise dominion, for God never gave men dominion over other men.

God still has dominion, and pharmakeia is a deadly sin, but pharmakeia is not the use of, say, recreational cannabis. It is, rather, the marketing of the altered state of cannabis as something supernatural, or the marketing of cannabis to achieve a supernatural state (as opposed to selling it like alcohol), or making an idol out of cannabis and trying to inject it into the Bible where it doesn't appear. Those are errors.

There is a soft argument for leaving people alone to smoke in peace to be found in Scripture. There is no HARD argument for cannabis, however.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-05-26   14:41:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Vicomte13 (#26)

God still has dominion, and pharmakeia is a deadly sin, but pharmakeia is not the use of, say, recreational cannabis.

What is the Bible's defintion of pharmakeia?

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-05-26   18:41:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: SOSO (#27)

What is the Bible's defintion of pharmakeia?

Great question.

The Bible doesn't define it. The word just hangs there, in the Greek, and when you look at various translations, you realize that translators translate it sort of according to what they want it to mean.

"Pharmakeuo" a related word that is probably the origin of "pharmakeia", means "to administer drugs". We go to a pharmacy to get drugs that our doctor has administered to us.

The more sinister implication of the word "pharmakeia" is, apparently, the way that drugs were used in the ancient world as "magic" or "sorcery". Apparently, drug-induced states were sold as being "magical".

Looking at the way that drug addicts in the modern age seem to channel demons and act on impulses they get from very evil places, because their natural consciences and minds have been so clubbed down by drugs, I would say that the relationship between drugs and demonic magic and possession is intuitively obvious.

So, when I read the word pharmakeia, what I think it's referring to is the practice of hawking drugs in order to induce "magical states", and perhaps to the practice of buying the drugs and using them to induce what are believed to be "magical states".

But I recognize that this is just intelligent conjecture. The Bible doesn't really define it.

On the other hand, the Bible is pretty consistent with the word referring to killing. It's killing or slaying, not Anglo-Saxon common law murder. Murder is a much more narrow range of things than the Biblical word.

Example, in the Old Testament, the type of killing that "thou shall not do", is used in the sentences referring to execution of a convict who kills. It says to take the killer out and kill him. So, those who insist that it only murder that is prohibited (and not, therefore, for example, killing under orders in an unjust war), would have to read the Scripture as saying "Take the convicted murderer and murder him" - executioners, then, are murderers.

The word really is "slay" or "kill", and human beings, for convenience and power, have given themselves a much greater range of authority to kill than God ever did. This is quite dangerous for human souls, because if one is an UNREPENTENT killer, one will be thrown into the lake of fire. But if one has become so full of one's own culture, erecting it as an idol before the law of God, then one may well not realize that the killing he has done under full authority of the state is in fact the damnable offense of "slaying" under the law of God.

But to return to your original question, the Bible doesn't define pharmakeia. It just uses the word. We have to interpolate. I've told you how I interpolate it. The DRUG element is clearly in the Greek word as it is written. That idiomatically this was extended to "sorcery" is something that is said in lexicons, etc, by people who are supposedly experts, so I'm willing to make that extension, but I do insist that the direct reference to drugs be maintained in the definition, because THAT is CLEARLY there - Tarot cards? Not clearly there, but if someone says so, maybe.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-05-26   18:57:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Vicomte13 (#28)

What is the Bible's defintion of pharmakeia? Great question.

The Bible doesn't define it. The word just hangs there, in the Greek, and when you look at various translations, you realize that translators translate it sort of according to what they want it to mean.

Then how are you sure the cannabis is not included in the forbidden?

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-05-26   19:05:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: SOSO (#29)

Then how are you sure the cannabis is not included in the forbidden?

It WOULD BE included in the forbidden if it is being sold to induce magical states, channel the unknown, etc.

But if it is merely taken as an intoxicant, it would be no different from wine.

A statue is not sinful. A statue that you think is a god and burn incense to is idolatry.

Grapes, cannabis and coca are plants. We're allowed to use plants. We have dominion. Some get you intoxicated. God warned of the life and moral hazards of intoxication, but he did not make the fact of being intoxicated in and of itself a sin, and he didn't make the drinking of intoxicants a sin. In fact, he made the drinking of one intoxicant a sacrament.

So, given those things, I am sure that the simple use of a plant, even as an intoxicant, is not in and of itself a thing that will get a man thrown into Hell. It would stand all alone by itself at the end of revelation if it were, something new, and not theretofore disclosed or forbidden - and quite opaque.

I don't find God to have played "hide the football" at all in the text. He says what he doesn't like. The lexicons all say that pharmakeia means "sorcery" or "magic". The word is derived from drug-administering, so it's pretty clear to me that the altered state that the drug gives, here, becomes sinful when the PURPOSE is to do magic thereby.

A carving of a horse with a man's head is not an idol, but once you start to bow to it and burn incense before it, it is. The guy who carved a horse-man did not sin if he was carving a fanciful decoration, but he DID sin if his purpose was to carve an idol for prayer purposes.

I think that INTENT is everything.

The teen smoking a joint to "chill" isn't seeking magic. He's doing the same thing as somebody drinking some glasses of wine.

But the guys who wrote the article trying to insert cannabis as a sacred thing, because they like to get high and are trying to elevate it to sacerdotal status, well, THAT certainly seems like an idolatrous purpose.

Certainly Voodoo practicioners who get high in order to cut up chickens and call upon demons are doing evil. The PURPOSE of getting high is to open the door to demons. THAT is clearly pharmakeia.

That's why it's not a simple matter of "drugs are a mortal sin". It's more complicated than that, I think. For all the reasons I've given.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-05-26   19:22:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Vicomte13 (#26)

God still has dominion, and pharmakeia is a deadly sin, but pharmakeia is not the use of, say, recreational cannabis. It is, rather, the marketing of the altered state of cannabis as something supernatural, or the marketing of cannabis to achieve a supernatural state (as opposed to selling it like alcohol), or making an idol out of cannabis and trying to inject it into the Bible where it doesn't appear. Those are errors.

So it is the marketing of witchcraft that is forbidden, and not recreational witchcraft by individuals?

And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-05-26   21:47:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: GarySpFC (#31)

Witchcraft if prohibited. If you get drunk on wine and use that altered state to channel demons and attempt to perofm magic, that is a sin. selling you the wine to do it isn't the sin, and your neighbors drinking win isn't a sin either.

Witchcraft is prohibited, and in particular, and also the selling of something FOR witchcraft in order that somebody else may do it.

But selling people a deck of playing cards is not witchcraft, even though they can be used for that, nor is selling somebody wine. Or maybe cannibis. The intent is everything.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-05-26   23:05:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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