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Title: Obama to Limit Military-Style Equipment for Police Forces
Source: www.nytimes.com
URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/19/u ... t&contentID=WhatsNext&configSe
Published: May 18, 2015
Author: JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVISMAY
Post Date: 2015-05-18 07:12:48 by CZ82
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Views: 12853
Comments: 49

Obama to Limit Military-Style Equipment for Police Forces

By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVISMAY 18, 2015

WASHINGTON — President Obama on Monday will ban the federal provision of some types of military-style equipment to local police departments and sharply restrict the availability of others, administration officials said.

The ban is part of Mr. Obama’s push to ease tensions between law enforcement and minority communities in reaction to the crises in Baltimore; Ferguson, Mo.; and other cities.

He is taking the action after a task force he created in January decided that police departments should be barred from using federal funds to acquire items that include tracked armored vehicles, the highest-caliber firearms and ammunition, and camouflage uniforms. The ban is part of a series of steps the president has made to try to build trust between law enforcement organizations and the citizens they are charged with protecting.

Mr. Obama planned to promote the effort on Monday during a visit to Camden, N.J. The city, racked by poverty and crime, has become a national model for better relations between the police and citizens after replacing its beleaguered police force with a county-run system that prioritizes community ties.

Mr. Obama is expected to hold up Camden as a counterpoint to places like Ferguson, where the killing of a young black man by a white police officer last summer and the violent protests that followed exposed long-simmering hostility between law enforcement agencies and minorities in cities around the country.

The trip and the action on military-style equipment are to coincide with the release on Monday of a report from a policing task force that Mr. Obama formed late last year in response to the crisis in Ferguson. The 116-page report calls for law enforcement agencies to “embrace a guardian — rather than a warrior — mind-set to build trust and legitimacy both within agencies and with the public.” It contains dozens of recommendations for agencies throughout the country.

“We are, without a doubt, sitting at a defining moment in American policing,” Ronald L. Davis, the director of the Office of Community Oriented Policing Services at the Department of Justice, told reporters in a conference call organized by the White House. “We have a unique opportunity to redefine policing in our democracy, to ensure that public safety becomes more than the absence of crime, but it must also include a presence for justice.”

After the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, the federal government sharply expanded its efforts to provide police departments with automatic weapons, armored vehicles and other military-style gear through grant programs at the Homeland Security and Justice Departments and transfers from the Defense Department. The programs have enjoyed widespread popularity among lawmakers eager to take steps to protect their communities and constantly in search of ways to steer federal money to their districts and states.

The report from the task force on military equipment cited the police response to the Ferguson unrest as an example of how the “militarization” of police departments can lead to fear and mistrust. In addition to prohibiting some equipment outright, officials said, Mr. Obama accepted the group’s recommendation to impose new restrictions on other military-style items, such as wheeled armored vehicles, pyrotechnics, battering rams and riot gear, and more stringent requirements for training and information collection for departments that acquire them.

“The idea is to make sure that we strike a balance in providing the equipment, which is appropriate and useful and important for local law enforcement agencies to keep the community safe, while at the same time putting standards in place,” said Cecilia Muñoz, the director of Mr. Obama’s Domestic Policy Council.

The report to be released on Monday represents a two-pronged response to a problem that has emerged as a central predicament for Mr. Obama in recent months. He has struggled to acknowledge the sense of fear, grievance and victimization by the police that dominates many minority communities without seeming to forgive violence or condemn law enforcement with a broad brush.

In doing so, he is grappling with the limits of his power to force changes in police departments around the country, where practices and procedures are varied and the federal government’s ability to influence change can be minimal. The equipment task force stems from an executive order, and its conclusions affect only the material supplied by the federal government, while the policing recommendations are merely a blueprint for what Mr. Obama would like to see happen in jurisdictions throughout the country.

Mr. Obama on Monday will announce $163 million in grants to encourage police departments to adopt the suggestions. The administration also will launch a “tool kit” for the use of body-worn cameras; the Justice Department created a grant program for law enforcement agencies to purchase them.

Ms. Muñoz said the task force’s report was “not just a blueprint for us and for local law enforcement agencies, but also for community leaders and others and stakeholders,” giving them “some very specific things to be asking for and, frankly, insisting on in order to improve policing practices.”

That is why Mr. Obama made plans to visit Camden, where he wants to highlight a policing model that emphasizes a collaborative approach. Camden is also one of 20 cities participating in a new White House initiative to enhance the use of police data, by releasing detailed information on such things as traffic stops, officer-involved shootings and the use of force.

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#1. To: CZ82, TooConservative (#0)

I have no basis in statistics but it seems to me that after the police switched over from revolvers to semi-automatic pistols the number of killings went up. I think we see a lot of cases where cops just offload their entire clip at a person because I assume in the heat of battle the trigger is itchy. But with the revolver it takes time and thought to shoot off a second round.

Pericles  posted on  2015-05-18   9:04:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Pericles, CZ82 (#1)

But with the revolver it takes time and thought to shoot off a second round.

It sure does require some thought. However, a revolver in a shoot out with cartel gang members with semi and automatic weapons is one sided.

That is why many police departments many moons ago went to the .45, 9mm and 10mm pistols.

The key is training and discipline. For example in the military they go through scenarios where they drill escalation of force in a populated area. I know the local police dept and the Texas DPS do similar exercises and training.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-05-18   9:55:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: redleghunter (#4)

The key is training and discipline. For example in the military they go through scenarios where they drill escalation of force in a populated area. I know the local police dept and the Texas DPS do similar exercises and training.

The NEw York CIty police are some of the best the USA has - well funded and trained - and I keep reading reports of cops letting off full clips - barely hitting the suspect. There were a couple of justified shootings in Manhattan last year in the middle of the day and the cops let off a lot of bullets to kill one man each time.

Pericles  posted on  2015-05-18   10:07:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Pericles (#7)

The NEw York CIty police are some of the best the USA has - well funded and trained - and I keep reading reports of cops letting off full clips - barely hitting the suspect. There were a couple of justified shootings in Manhattan last year in the middle of the day and the cops let off a lot of bullets to kill one man each time.

Again training and discipline are key to this. If you look at incidents where there is only one police officer on site (no partner or immediate back up) you will probably see more rounds fired.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-05-18   10:21:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: redleghunter, GrandIsland (#11) (Edited)

Again training and discipline are key to this. If you look at incidents where there is only one police officer on site (no partner or immediate back up) you will probably see more rounds fired.

A cop with better gun training and constant practice will do better and end up firing fewer shots. To me, this is a secondary consideration.

It's hard to say that firing a full clip is wrong if it was correct to fire even one shot to begin with.

Admittedly, we don't like to see cops completely unload on someone. It is disturbing. But if even one bullet is justified, so are fifteen rounds.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-05-18   13:09:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: TooConservative, redleghunter, GrandIsland (#17)

Admittedly, we don't like to see cops completely unload on someone. It is disturbing. But if even one bullet is justified, so are fifteen rounds.

That is actually not true. Cops are not combat soldiers and even when confronting an armed person they are constrained by the law. Do they get away with? All the time.

Pericles  posted on  2015-05-18   13:42:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Pericles (#18) (Edited)

That is actually not true. Cops are not combat soldiers and even when confronting an armed person they are constrained by the law. Do they get away with? All the time.

You continue to spew ignorance. "Cops" are constrained by the same laws as YOU when it comes to SELF DEFENSE. I can assure you, almost every use of DPF by an officer is self defense of himself or a third party. Show me one time were a civilian was charged (or found to be wrong) for shooting too many bullets while being justified to shoot in the first place.

I've said it one million times, and I'll say it one more time for the liberally ignorant. OFFICERS ARE TRAINED TO SHOOT UNTIL THE THREAT IS ENDED. No set amount of rounds... what the person doing the shooting feels is enough and he/she is no longer in danger. Not what YOU feel was enough... but the person that is exercising his/her self defense rights. Ignorant, libtard, bleeding heart opinions, from the safety of their computer DONT COUNT.

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#26. To: GrandIsland, TooConservative (#20) (Edited)

I've said it one million times, and I'll say it one more time for the liberally ignorant. OFFICERS ARE TRAINED TO SHOOT UNTIL THE THREAT IS ENDED.

Cops seem to shoot in a pray and spray manner.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/25/justice/new-york-empire-state-shooting/

Police: All Empire State shooting victims were wounded by officers

On a busy Friday morning in Manhattan, nine pedestrians suffered bullet or fragment wounds after police unleashed a hail of gunfire at a man wielding a .45 caliber pistol who had just killed a former co-worker.

The officers unloaded 16 rounds in the shadow of the Empire State Building at a disgruntled former apparel designer, killing him after he engaged in a gunbattle with police, authorities said.

Three passersby sustained direct gunshot wounds, while the remaining six were hit by fragments, according to New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly. All injuries were caused by police, he said Saturday.

One officer shot nine rounds and another shot seven.

Police identified the gunman as Jeffrey Johnson, 58, who was apparently laid off from his job as a designer of women's accessories at Hazan Import Co. last year.

Ever see those pictures of Liberian kids shooting their AKs in a chaotic manner as they are running and doding? That is how I imagine these cops were shooting.

Pericles  posted on  2015-05-18   15:15:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Pericles, GrandIsland (#26)

The officers unloaded 16 rounds in the shadow of the Empire State Building at a disgruntled former apparel designer, killing him after he engaged in a gunbattle with police, authorities said.

Even so, not every PD is so careless.

This does highlight the increasing militarization of police and routinely arming with extremely deadly weapons. Obviously, there was something seriously wrong with the training and weapons control of the police involved.

Also keep in mind that the apparel designer might have started shooting a bunch of civvies himself if the cops didn't go after him full-bore.

We also have to keep in mind that no police can ever be perfect all the time. Unless you just want to abolish policing, you will have a few of these incidents. The problem arises when it starts to seem like standard operating procedure among so many militarized PDs.

You'll notice no one complaining that the PD in Waco was using excessive force against those bikers. But Texas cops are better than NYC cops. And Texas is a state with a vast number of serious firearms, tons of CCW holders, etc. By comparison, the NYPD look like a bunch of incompetent scared pussies that shit their pants and shoot up the neighborhood over any street combat.

Compare the Texas deputy who stopped the Islamist attack on the Pam Geller event. There was one cool customer. He knew the angles, took bold action, his weapons training and situational awareness carried him through. And he didn't have to shoot up the entire neighborhood either.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-05-18   15:30:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: TooConservative, GrandIsland (#28)

We also have to keep in mind that no police can ever be perfect all the time. Unless you just want to abolish policing, you will have a few of these incidents. The problem arises when it starts to seem like standard operating procedure among so many militarized PDs.

You guys are msiunderstanding - I am not being a mindless anti-police guy here - I am saying maybe it is the automatic handgun being used that is a big part of the problem?

Does automatic - 9 to 15 round guns make shooting easier or a go to first option for a cop? Would a revolver force a cop to think before he shoots - even if a nano-second? - it would sure force him to think on his second shot, etc.

Sometimes it's the tools fault and not the operator.

I don't want cops spraying lead like Robocop....

Pericles  posted on  2015-05-18   16:05:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Pericles (#31)

Would a revolver force a cop to think before he shoots - even if a nano-second? - it would sure force him to think on his second shot, etc.

In some cases, it will cause them to be out gunned and die.

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-05-18   16:16:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: GrandIsland (#33)

In some cases, it will cause them to be out gunned and die.

How can you know? You can't.

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