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Title: The Madisonian Dilemma
Source: Cambridge University Press
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Published: May 6, 2015
Author: Dennis Goldford
Post Date: 2015-05-06 20:00:58 by tpaine
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Views: 3201
Comments: 24

The Madisonian Dilemma

Cambridge University Press ^ |

Dennis Goldford

Jefferson commented that the purpose of a constitution is to bind down those whom we are obliged to trust with power, doing so by the chains of the Constitution.

While the binding capacity of the Constitution comes into play in the area of structural principles such as federalism and the separation of powers, perhaps the prime example of that capacity is its role in the problematic relation between majority rule and individual rights. As fundamental law, the Constitution, supposedly above politics, is always drawn into political controversies between majority rule and individual rights precisely because of its binding function. Through this function the Constitution establishes the distinction, central to American political culture, between the sphere of matters subject to decision by majority rule, regardless of individual preferences to the contrary, and the sphere of matters subject to individual choice, regardless of majority preferences to the contrary.

The Constitution binds contemporary majorities to respect this distinction and thereby not to act in certain ways, however democratically decided, vis-à-vis individuals.

Robert Bork aptly distinguishes between these spheres in terms of what he has famously called the Madisonian dilemma:

The United States was founded as a Madisonian system, which means that it contains two opposing principles that must be continually reconciled.

The first principle is self-government, which means that in wide areas of life majorities are entitled to rule, if they wish, simply because they are majorities.

The second is that there are nonetheless some things majorities must not do to minorities, some areas of life in which the individual must be free of majority rule.

The dilemma is that neither majorities nor minorities can be trusted to define the proper spheres of democratic authority and individual liberty....

The political theory of American constitutionalism rests equally on two fundamental premises, the premises of constraint and consent.

The first premise is that the purpose of a constitution, especially a written one, is to bind future generations to the vision of its founders, that is, to constrain the American people, - individuals and institutions, citizens and government officials alike, - to follow the principles of the Constitution rather than anything else.

The second premise is that the binding of future generations to the vision of the founders is a democratically grounded and legitimated act of We the People, that is, that in some sense We the People have consented to be governed - bound - by the principles set forth in the Constitution.


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"-- there are nonetheless some things majorities must not do to minorities, some areas of life in which the individual must be free of majority rule. --"

I see these areas as enumerated in the Bill of Rights and the 14th Amendment. -- Many here do not. Feel free to tell me why not.

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I see these areas as enumerated in the Bill of Rights and the 14th Amendment. -- Many here do not. Feel free to tell me why not.

Very simple, the Consitution is subject to much interpretaion. Futher, the Consitution has contuinually been violated since the days of Washington.

Now please tell me how a 5-4 decision by SCOTUS resolves for all time the question ruled upon? How did Presidents, Congress and/or SCOTUS get away with bending, if not breaking, the Consitution virtually from its beginnings? What is to be done about it when the majority of We The People and Congress accepts the transgressions and SCOTUS refuses to enter the fray? Do we not reap what we sow?

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I see these areas, "areas of life in which the individual must be free of majority rule", --- as those enumerated in the Bill of Rights and the 14th Amendment. -

--- Many here do not. Feel free to tell me why not.

Very simple, the Consitution is subject to much interpretaion.

"Interpret" as much as you like, but we must draw the line at prohibitions on weapons, 'sinful' behaviors and substances, --- passed by would be majority rulers.

Futher, the Consitution has contuinually been violated since the days of Washington.

And usually, those violations are corrected, over time. -- As per the repeal of booze prohibition.

Now please tell me how a 5-4 decision by SCOTUS resolves for all time the question ruled upon?

Such 'decisions' don't resolve anything, because they are opinions, subject to change. - Example: Dred Scott.

How did Presidents, Congress and/or SCOTUS get away with bending, if not breaking, the Consitution virtually from its beginnings?
You voiced this opinion before, and I don't think they did. Our constitution is not broken.
What is to be done about it when the majority of We The People and Congress accepts the transgressions and SCOTUS refuses to enter the fray? Do we not reap what we sow?
What transgressions are you talking about ?

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What is to be done about it when the majority of We The People and Congress accepts the transgressions and SCOTUS refuses to enter the fray? Do we not reap what we sow?

What transgressions are you talking about ?

Good Lord, are you serious? If so this dialogue is over.

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What is to be done about it when the majority of We The People and Congress accepts the transgressions and SCOTUS refuses to enter the fray? Do we not reap what we sow?

What transgressions are you talking about ?

Good Lord, are you serious? If so this dialogue is over.

Good Lord are you this dense? - I'm not denying that there are transgressions, -- What SPECIFIC transgressions are you talking about?

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What SPECIFIC transgressions are you talking about?

What difference does it make? Pick anyone you like. Just don't pick Prohibition because that was totally Consitutional via an Amendment (the 18th) to the Consitution - just as was its repeal by an Amendment (the 21st).

Or are you going to arguing that it wasn't?

"In the years during which 18th Amendment was in effect, there were no significant constitutional challenges to the prohibition of alcohol itself. But there were some challenges to the procedure used to ratify the amendment.

For example, in Hawke v. Smith (1920), those arguing in favor of prohibition asserted that an Ohio referendum was invalid. In Ohio, the state legislature had approved the 18th Amendment. But a subsequent direct referendum of the voters rejected it.

In the Ohio constitution, the people were given the power to review their legislature’s passage of any amendment to the national Constitutional. The prohibitionists argued – and the Supreme Court agreed – that the process by which amendments are to be ratified only involves state legislatures, not referendums. The Constitution itself made no mention of a review by the people. Thus, Ohio’s referendum was immaterial. The legislature had ratified the amendment and that was all that mattered."

In any event, Prohibition was the law of the land for quite a while, ergo de facto consitutional, until it was repealed.

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