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Title: Alan Dershowitz Rips Charges Against Baltimore Cops: 'Sad Day for Justice'
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URL Source: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/alan-der ... more-cops-sad-day-for-justice/
Published: May 1, 2015
Author: Mediate
Post Date: 2015-05-01 20:15:17 by Vinny
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Dershowitz lamented that “this is a very sad day for justice” and told Steve Malzberg that Mosby acted out of a “desire to prevent riots.” It will be “virtually impossible,” he predicted, for the six officers involved to get a fair trial. And as for murder charges, Dershowitz said there’s “no plausible, hypothetical, conceivable case for murder” and “this is a show trial.” He predicted that Mosby might get removed as prosecutor and Baltimore citizens may get upset if and/or when they “move to a place with a different demographic.” He concluded that it’s “unlikely they’ll get any convictions in this case” and if they do they’ll likely “be reversed on appeal.” Watch the video below, via Newsmax TV: [image via screengrab] – – 
Alan Dershowitz really went after Baltimore State’s Attorney Marilyn Mosby today for charging the six cops involved in the death of Freddie Gray, saying it was entirely based on politics and “crowd control.”
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#41. To: GrandIsland (#40)
Which does what to your claim he was injured in police custody? lol
By the sounds of Mosby's "independent witch hunt" the injury happened inside the transport vehicle BETWEEN STOPS and without an officer present. I have inside Intel that stated it was self inflicted inside the van and while not being secured. A prisoner original testified it was self inflicted... and then realized he would be famous if he changed his testimony or statement. If Mosby had any proof Gray was hurt during the arrest, she would have stated that today. Their case is gonna be a "rough ride" caused Gray to be thrown around the inside of the paddy wagon.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Restate your question.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
You're giving this affirmative action, 36-y/o, probably never tried a murder case before attorney way too much credit. She's a radical hater who is driven by the Obama/Holder/Sharpton agenda, not fact. I have complete confidence in Dershowitz. This case is a rush to judgement. Good night.
I agree... but what I've seen, the 6 officers didn't do a perfect job. Expect some wrongdoing after a trial by peer.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
It's reported now, on Fox News, by an officer that's identity is being withheld, is reporting a hand to hand transaction, both subjects fled, both subjects were caught and no money or drugs recovered... SO NOTHING WAS REPORTED OR PUT IN THE REPORTS BY OFFICERS... so no drug arrests were gonna be filed. He was arrested for a bogus knife charge. Sounds fishy
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Enter Dershowitz whose expertise far exceeds that of anyone on this board. Alan Dershowitz is widely considered an outstanding professor of law, but he is not always right. Take a look at the Zimmerman case where he claimed that Special Prosecutor Angela Corey ought to be criminally prosecuted for her action in the prosecution of Zimmerman. If he was wrong about Angela Corey then, why should he be right about Marilyn Mosby now? Methinks you may place too much faith in the opinion of Dershowitz.
He wasn't wrong about Corey. He thought she overcharged, which she did. Zimmerman would likely have been found guilty of a lesser charge.
www.mediaite.com/tv/frien...was-great-witness-for-us/ Freddie was a snitch.
I think the same is true in this case. It isn't just Dershowitz saying Mosby overcharged in this case. It's almost like the prosecutors are overcharging, knowing they'll get an acquittal but they can pander to the mobs for the duration. If you heard her statement to the public, it was far more a political speech than anything else. And her husband is a Baltimore city councilman who was active in the demonstrations. Some commentators are already saying that a special prosecutor should be appointed because Mosby has been so unprofessional in her rollout of this case.
Freddie was a snitch. I'd take issue with him being a witness. A witness testifies in court for the prosecution. I haven't read a single account of him testifying for the prosecution in any case. As for being a confidential informer, perhaps he was. But if so, there is an official record of when and how he worked as a confidential informant, whether he snitched for money or to reduce charges against himself for his own crimes. So there is a lot more to this snitch/witness bit that we don't know yet.
How biased does a black female DA have to be to get Dershowitz riled at at the injustice? BTW,I was watchign "The Toady Show" on NBC this morning,and the black female DA is related to the Gray family lawyer (though blood or other connections,it wasn't made clear which),and that her husband in the councilman that represents the district where the Gray family lives.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
It doesn't matter because she is shooting for,and will get,an appointment to be a feral prosecutor for the alleged Justice Dept. She will probably work there a few years until they figure out a way to dump her once the Tan Klan isn't in charge anymore,and then she will run for public office as a "crew-sade-IN sista gainst racism" congresscritter or mayor and then there won't be any getting rid of her. She's just playing the black racist game for political advantage.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I agree. But they had reasonable suspicion to detain and question -- which is all that's needed. You need probable cause to arrest.
If he ran from them and they had to run him down and take him to the ground to arrest him,they had every right,and even an obligation,to search him for weapons or other contraband. If he ran,there is no way in hell they did not have justification for a search.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
IF I understand correctly what the homegurl DA was saying on teebee this morning,she was saying the knife wasn't illegal because the cops didn't have probable cause to search this goober. She was asked a couple of times about "the switchblade",and was careful to never say OR deny it was a switchblade. She would only say that nothing found was evidence due to a lack of probable cause. Frankly,I'd like to have seen HER give blood for a drug test right after that interview because she seemed to be pretty zoned out herself. If you watch it on youtube or somewhere else,notice her eyes and lack of facial expression.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
But he was a gud boi,juz now get-IN hiz life tagathah,and deaddic-tat-IN it to Jesus!
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I'm guessing he was talking about the possibility of the 6 cops being convicted.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
They do,but the black female DA is claiming it's not usable as evidence because the cops had no probable cause to search him. She sounds a HELL of a lot more like a defense attorney than any DA *I* have ever heard of. I'm sure her connections to the Gray family lawyer or the fact that her husband will be running for re-election in the Gray family district has anything to do with that,though. Just a coinkydink.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
With the evidence so far, I agree. That would justify a charge of involuntary manslaughter being brought against the driver. But murder? Now, why were the other 5 charged? With murder, no less?
That's what the early reporting was. I was mistaken though since this prosecutor is now saying it was not a switchblade at all. Of course, this prosecutor is more than a little suspect as a political hack so who knows if she's just making stuff up at this point.
No,she stated it wasn't illegal due to no probable cause for a search. How many suspects did YOU run down and then fail to search for weapons,drugs,or other contraband? But don't worry about her. She will be just fine. In fact,this is the kickoff for her future career as an elected official.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Running away from police is not probable cause to arrest or to search.
That was what she implied on "The Toady Show" this morning,but not exactly what she said. The knife was "legal" if there was no probable cause for the search. That's the horse she is riding.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I agree. There was and is no excuse for that,and anyone involved in the decision-making process that neglected to get him the care he needed should be hammered over it.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Sure she did. She was hoping he'd plea to a lower charge. The same is being done here. Charge 6 cops with murder, hoping at least one is willing to "flip" on the others and tell a story the prosecutor likes. However, murder is ridiculous. They know it and will be acquitted.
You're right about her ambitions. From street agitator to prosecutor to the House or Senate. The cops go into this with one advantage; she made a change of venue a sure shot.
It is also a stepping stone to a political career for the AA DA. It won't hurt her husband's political career,either.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I'd never rule out a flip, but even with one it's a difficult case. Yesterday's presentment staved off an immediate riot for one further down the road.
It's a political campaign method/strategy. This gurl won't be a AA DA for long. She's shooting for a spot as an elected AA representative.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Running away from the police causes reasonable suspicion, enough to detain. Once detained, the police may search the suspect for weapons for their safety. They may even handcuff the suspect if circumstances warrant that. But they do need probable cause for an arrest. The knife gave them that. Now, if the knife is legal, he could not be convicted.
Running away from police is not probable cause to arrest or to search. Maybe not,but being caught and detained is. Ever heard of "Officer Safety"? Not to mention the FACT that the cops HAVE to search anyone they are sending off to lockup to make sure they have no weapons,drugs,or other contraband on them before they put them in with the other prisoners.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
How long before we see an actual verdict? 3 years?
IMO it benefits the State to rush the preceding (bury the defense in last minute discovery then hit them with an earl trial date), and they control the calendar. OTOH, if they are looking for a flip (they are) they'll slow things down. All said & done, without a flip, my best guess is within a year.
Before the Presidential election? Ooooh, Hillary ain't gonna like it. She's all in for the victim.
That was what she implied on "The Toady Show" this morning,but not exactly what she said. The knife was "legal" if there was no probable cause for the search. That's the horse she is riding. That is NOT what she "implied"....that is what she said and what the police report confirmed:
Hard to believe they're legal. A switchblade has a button (switch) on the handle. A spring assisted knife has a stud on the blade. Both types are spring loaded and can be quickly opened with one hand.
Shocking you'd use Mosby's words from her presser as evidence the arrest wasn't legal. Would anyone expect her to say anything else? The stop, pursuit & arrest for resisting is by far and away the easiest hurdle for the defense. Let's bookmark this thread and come back to it when the defense rips the charge apart.
I saw this video earlier, along with some others on youtube showing the same thing. It is amazing that the spring loaded can be opened as quickly as the switchblade. Just another case where we have some stupid laws.
Does the prosecutor have to show the arrest was illegal, or do the police have to show the arrest was legal? I am not as familiar with the law and all aspects of this case as you are, but I believe it is the latter....am I wrong? I can easily be convinced with the presentation of anything factual. Please show me how and were the arrest was deemed to be legal. Thank you for doing this.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThey also saw a switchblade. lol
#42. To: Vinny (#39)
#43. To: Vinny (#41)
Which does what to your claim he was injured in police custody?
#44. To: GrandIsland (#42)
If Mosby had any proof Gray was hurt during the arrest, she would have stated that today
#45. To: Vinny (#44)
This case is a rush to judgement.
#46. To: Vinny (#36)
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#47. To: Vinny (#34)
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I have been hoping for some “out” for the officers, but the more I look into this and the more I learn….I see none.
#48. To: Gatlin (#47)
If he was wrong about Angela Corey then, why should he be right about Marilyn Mosby now?
#49. To: GrandIsland (#46)
It's reported now, on Fox News, by an officer that's identity is being withheld, is reporting a hand to hand transaction, both subjects fled, both subjects were caught and no money or drugs recovered.
#50. To: Vinny (#48)
He wasn't wrong about Corey. He thought she overcharged, which she did. Zimmerman would likely have been found guilty of a lesser charge.
#51. To: Vinny (#49)
www.mediaite.com/tv/frien...was-great-witness-for-us/
#52. To: Vinny, *Crime and Corruption* (#0)
And as for murder charges, Dershowitz said there’s “no plausible, hypothetical, conceivable case for murder” and “this is a show trial.”
#53. To: GrandIsland (#2)
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All six are fuked... and so will Mosby's career after the DA doesn't hit the home run that racist set up today.
#54. To: Vinny (#4)
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"A predicate felon, known to the department, loitering in an area known for drug sales flees from cops when approached = probable cause to stop & question. He fled & resisted = a good arrest."
#55. To: Vinny (#4)
A predicate felon, known to the department, loitering in an area known for drug sales flees from cops when approached = probable cause to stop & question. He fled & resisted = a good arrest.
#56. To: GrandIsland (#7)
I get that. But, they gave chase and in the end... found nothing but a legal pocket knife. To keep him in custody, what's the "good arrest" based on?
#57. To: out damned spot (#12)
#58. To: Vinny (#13)
And why toss conviction into this? We're discussing an arrest and transport.
#59. To: TooConservative (#14)
Supposedly, they do have the switchblade as evidence.
#60. To: GrandIsland (#42)
"Their case is gonna be a "rough ride" caused Gray to be thrown around the inside of the paddy wagon."
#61. To: sneakypete (#59)
They do,but the black female DA is claiming it's not usable as evidence because the cops had no probable cause to search him.
#62. To: GrandIsland (#16)
She stated very clearly that the knife he had was legal.
#63. To: sneakypete (#55)
If he ran,there is no way in hell they did not have justification for a search.
#64. To: Gatlin (#17)
"The knife was not a switchblade, and it is lawful," Mosby said Friday
#65. To: GrandIsland (#23)
they failed to get him medical attention in a reasonable time... and they violated policy by not seat belting his ass into that paddy wagon.
#66. To: Vinny (#48)
"He thought she overcharged, which she did."
#67. To: sneakypete (#62)
But don't worry about her. She will be just fine. In fact,this is the kickoff for her future career as an elected official.
#68. To: Vinny (#44)
This case is a rush to judgement.
#69. To: misterwhite (#66)
However, murder is ridiculous. They know it and will be acquitted.
#70. To: TooConservative (#50)
It's almost like the prosecutors are overcharging, knowing they'll get an acquittal but they can pander to the mobs for the duration.
#71. To: TooConservative (#63)
"Running away from police is not probable cause to arrest or to search."
#72. To: TooConservative (#63)
If he ran,there is no way in hell they did not have justification for a search.
#73. To: Vinny (#69)
"Yesterday's presentment staved off an immediate riot for one further down the road."
#74. To: misterwhite (#73)
#75. To: Vinny (#74)
"All said & done, without a flip, my best guess is within a year."
#76. To: sneakypete, GrandIsland (#64)
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"The knife was not a switchblade, and it is lawful," Mosby said Friday
While news reports have described the knife Gray was carrying as a "switchblade," the actual police report (see charging documents at bottom of page) describes it as a "spring assisted, one hand opening knife," which has become among the most common on the market in recent years. (Update 5/1/14: At a news conference announcing that six police officers were being charged in Gray's death, state's attorney for Baltimore Marilyn J. Mosby confirmed that the knife was indeed "not a switchblade and is lawful under Maryland law.") source
The cops apparently had no reason to arrest him:Baltimore police officers had no reason to arrest 25- year-old Freddie Gray in the first place, Baltimore's chief prosecutor, Marilyn J. Mosby, announced at a news conference Friday morning.
It looks like she is correct.
#77. To: Gatlin (#76)
"describes it as a "spring assisted, one hand opening knife"
#78. To: Gatlin (#76)
#79. To: misterwhite (#77)
#80. To: Vinny (#78)
Sidebar Info: Your Right of Defense Against Unlawful Arrest.
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