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New Discovery! 2023 Hottest in over 120 Million Years 2024 and beyond in prophecy Questions Status: Not Logged In; Sign In United States News See other United States News Articles Title: Let me ask all of you some questions: Source: www.ChristianPatriot.com URL Source: [None] Published: Apr 22, 2015 Author: Pastor Bob Celeste ACP Post Date: 2015-04-22 14:58:34 by BobCeleste Keywords: ACP Views: 13499 Comments: 102 Let me ask all of you some questions: 1. Do you think today’s preachers are smarter, as smart or not as Scripturally smart as Preachers in the 1770's? 2. Do you think today’s politicians are smarter, as smart, or not as smart Constitutionally as politicians in the 1770's and the first days of our Republic? 3. If Revolution were legal, acceptable and encourage by both the politicians of the colonies and the preachers of the colonies in the 1770's, why is it unacceptable, and discouraged by both the preachers and the politicians today? 4. If Romans chapter 13 was not a problem to Christians revolting against the crown in the 1770's why is it today? Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 32. #12. To: BobCeleste (#0) 2. Do you think today’s politicians are smarter, as smart, or not as smart Constitutionally as politicians in the 1770's and the first days of our Republic? In the 1770's the Constitution did not exist. It was ratified in 1789. With regard to the system of government intended by the Founders and Framers of that era, the Founders and Framers were a great deal more observant of what some may now refer to as original intent. The centuries of politicians that followed have undermined, hollowed out, and interpreted much of the original intent into extinction. Assuming the Framers intended to create a Constitution which would prevent an all-powerful Federal government, in a perverse way, I guess the politicians that followed proved they were smarter and/or more devious and unscrupulous and corrupt than the Framers. The Hamiltonians have prevailed. 3. If Revolution were legal, acceptable and encourage[d] by both the politicians of the colonies and the preachers of the colonies in the 1770's, why is it unacceptable, and discouraged by both the preachers and the politicians today? In the 1770's, the "right" to revolution was recognized as such by those who desired to overthrow existing power and seize that power for themselves. Such "right" was not recognized in the 1770's by those who were in power. Such right is not recognized by those in power today. Those in power call it treason. Had the Founders lost the Revolutionary War, they would be in the history books as traitors who were hanged for their great crime. Lincoln was all for the right of revolution (as a congressman) until he was against it (as President). Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln, Vol. I, pp. 438-439, Speech in United States House of Representatives: The War with Mexico. [emphasis as in original] Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable,—a most sacred right—a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government, may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people that can, may revolutionize, and make their own, of so much of the teritory (sic) as they inhabit. More than this, a majority of any portion of such people may revolutionize, putting down a minority, intermingled with, or near about them, who may oppose their movement. Such minority, was precisely the case, of the tories of our own revolution. It is a quality of revolutions not to go by old lines, or old laws; but to break up both, and make new ones. 4. If Romans chapter 13 was not a problem to Christians revolting against the crown in the 1770's why is it today? The Bible and all else is useful when it supports what someone wants, or if they can bend it or misrepresent it to support what they want, or oppose what they do not want. nolu chan  posted on  2015-04-22   19:03:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #32. To: nolu chan (#12) 4. If Romans chapter 13 was not a problem to Christians revolting against the crown in the 1770's why is it today? The Bible and all else is useful when it supports what someone wants, or if they can bend it or misrepresent it to support what they want, or oppose what they do not want. So, tell me your take on Romans 3, feel free to go into as much detail as you can. BobCeleste  posted on  2015-04-23   7:34:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 32. #101. To: BobCeleste (#32) So, tell me your take on Romans 3, feel free to go into as much detail as you can. My apologies for my delay. I am not steeped in the Bible as are you and some of your compatriots. I respect those who are true believers in Scripture being the inspired word of God, but I believe that such faith does not facilitate any real discussion between believers, doubters, and non-believers. The non-believer will not suddenly convert, the believer may get high blood pressure while affirming belief, and the doubter will still look at both of them wondering how either side could be so certain of something not verifiable. As for Romans 3, I doubt anyone is accepted or rejected at the pearly gates based on whether a moyal performed bris. Not to worry. My mother was Catholic, my father Protestant, and I may be one of few similarly situated to have had a moyal declare me an honorary member of the House of David. But I think you meant Romans 13 about obeying the government, paying taxes, etc. I do not believe I could give an honest, detailed response that could not be seen as being disrespectful to your (and others') sincerely held scriptural beliefs. Briefly, I would not attribute man's governments or laws to God. As for a need to read the words of scripture in the original languages used by man, I would prefer that we consult our consciences. Whatever its origin, and however it communicates, it is understood, even by those who are deaf and dumb and have never known any language of man. nolu chan  posted on  2015-05-22 17:43:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 32. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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