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Title: I RECANT.
Source: Chuck Baldwin / Facebook
URL Source: https://www.facebook.com/permalink. ... 69863063938&id=226997970644468
Published: Apr 5, 2015
Author: Chuck Baldwin
Post Date: 2015-04-15 02:15:42 by Hondo68
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Views: 58355
Comments: 178

I'm using this Facebook post to make a couple of personal confessions.

In one way or another, we are all victims of our past. I was schooled in certain persuasions that have taken 3/4 of a lifetime to overcome. But when I made a conscious decision to pursue and follow truth--no matter where it led me--many years ago, my mind and heart have been liberated with the illumination of truth time and time again. I personally believe that only people who, in their hearts, are sincerely open to truth will ever find it.

I will not make these issues a test of fellowship with those who disagree with me (although, I'm sure many of them will). I, myself, believed differently for all of my adult life. And these conclusions have not been made overnight. It has taken years of study and research to bring me to the conclusions I am sharing with you in this post.

Obviously, this forum will not allow me to go into detail about the conclusions I'm going to share. That must be reserved for another day and another forum. But, for the sake of the folks--especially those Christian folks--who follow my work, I believe I need to be honest and straightforward regarding these conclusions.

So, here we go:

1. I recant the dogmatism of a belief in a pre-millennial rapture.

That doesn't mean that I DON'T believe in a Rapture. It just means that I am no longer dogmatic about it; and neither do I think that it matters to a tinker's dam regarding my personal duty to God. The Lord is going to fulfill His divine will regarding prophetic events in His time. Quite frankly, I am convinced that, for the most part, it is not for us to know the things God has reserved unto Himself. (Acts 1:6, 7)

For too long, many of our pre-millennial friends have been using a belief in the Rapture as an excuse to sit back on their blessed assurance and do nothing. Even if the doctrine is true, the way it is being used as an excuse to not engage the liberty fight is downright shameful.

2. I recant the position that the modern state of Israel is the same as the prophetic Israel of the Bible.

The nation of Israel rejected their Messiah and God destroyed their nation, their capital city, and their temple in 70 AD. Spiritually, the children of Israel have been in a state of blindness ever since. With the advent of the New Testament Church, we are NOT Jews or Gentiles, Greeks or Barbarians, etc.: we are all ONE IN CHRIST. God's people today are the blood-washed saints of all races, ethnicities, nationalities, etc. Again, we are ONE IN CHRIST.

Accordingly, I am convinced that the modern state of Israel is NOT the prophetic fulfillment of the future redeemed nation of Israel. NOT IN ANY SHAPE, MANNER, OR FORM. I further conclude that the misapplication of applying prophetic scriptures to the modern state of Israel is producing nothing but perpetual war, the demise of liberty at home, the rise of a Police State, and the facilitation of a devilish New World Order.

So, there you have it. I RECANT.


Poster Comment:

I wonder if he's getting ready to run for president again?

I voted for him when Ron Paul endorsed him in '08, and I just might again in '16.

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#139. To: misterwhite (#137)

What the heck did Glass-Steagall have to do with Ameriquest?

LOL. What did the barriers that prevented banks from engaging in the trade of securitized instruments have to do with Ameriquest.

Well GeeOpie, who do you think it was that bought all that Securitized, subprime, A$$Paper - and then went on to game it into a 220+ TRILLION dollar derivative bubble on top of the turd pond?

www.occ.gov/topics/capita...ing/derivatives/dq114.pdf

Hint: It wasn't Freddy/Fannie.

VxH  posted on  2015-04-18   15:09:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: Don (#138)
(Edited)

Isa 14:12

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

KJV

Lucifer the Light bearer - aka the Morning Star - symbol of the fallen king of Babylon.

Who is the fallen king of Babylon?

Hint: It aint the debil - it was a man, and his name was Nebuchadnezzar.

http://biblehub.com/topical/naves/l/lucifer--nebuchadnezzar_called_by_this_name.htm

https://www.google.com/#q=Nebuchadnezzar+or+Lucifer

VxH  posted on  2015-04-18   15:21:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: Don (#138) (Edited)

Kipling's "The man who would be king" describes the process.

We might infer this was also how the Yezidi of Northern Iraq came to worship "fallen angels".

http://www.google.com/#q=Yazidi%2BFallen%2BAngels

A little technology can manufacture a whole lot of FRAUD among the right audience.

Got Morals and Dogma? Kipling did.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mor...ttish_Rite_of_Freemasonry

VxH  posted on  2015-04-18   16:03:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: VxH (#141)

You are hitting all points of the map called "Skipping Around the Mayberry Bush."

Don  posted on  2015-04-18   17:30:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: VxH (#140)

The reference is to Satan by using a human King as a symbol. You know this already, don't you?

Don  posted on  2015-04-18   17:32:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: VxH (#139)

Glass-Steagall separated commercial banking and investment banking. Ameriquest was neither. It was a pure mortgage lender.

I'll ask you again. What the heck did Glass-Steagall have to do with Ameriquest?

"Well GeeOpie, who do you think it was that bought all that Securitized, subprime, A$$Paper - and then went on to game it into a 220+ TRILLION dollar derivative bubble on top of the turd pond?"

The investment banks -- Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup and Merrill Lynch. And Freddie and Fannie bought about $300 billion of mortgage-backed securities from them.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-04-18   18:16:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: misterwhite (#144) (Edited)

It was a pure mortgage lender.

It wasn't a lender, it was an originator.

Who ended up buying the securitized a$$paper from that "pure mortgage" originator?

"The investment banks -- Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup and Merrill Lynch. "

That's right the investment bankers did -- And what does "separating commercial and investment banking" mean in relation to the down stream flow from Ameriquest/Argent Mortgage's sub-prime sewer system?

"The Subprime Crisis—A Test Match For The Bankers: Glass–Steagall vs. Gramm-Leach-Bliley"
www.law.upenn.edu/journal....Bus.L.1081%282010%29.pdf

Were the events following the undoing of Glass-Steagall "Speculative banking"? They sure as heck were; and in fact the big 4 SPECULATORS still hold how many TRILLION dollars worth of notional, SPECULATIVE, derivatives on their books?

_______TRILLION.?

VxH  posted on  2015-04-18   19:18:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: Don (#143)

the reference is to Satan by using a human King as a symbol.

You sure it isn't a reference to the temporal King for which Satan later became a substitute symbol?

VxH  posted on  2015-04-18   19:20:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: VxH (#146)

I don't think so.

Don  posted on  2015-04-18   19:35:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: Don (#147) (Edited)

Well, evidently others disagree.

"It is king Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon who embodies the great villain position of Satan in the bible. Our image of Satan is developed from the fall of king Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon's evil human pride. The 'Babylon has Fallen!', in the Book of Revelations, is relating to the future fall of secular world dominance in preparation for the coming of Messianic Reign. The dynasty of prideful, world dominant, God authorized, secular world powers, passing from one nation to another over time, initiated from king Nebuchadnezzar, falls at our future Battle of Armageddon. The ‘beast’, and ‘whore of Babylon’, which are cast into hell with Satan, in the future apocalypse, begin with king Nebuchadnezzar. To understand where the Satan/Babylon, who falls in the Book of Revelation is coming from, king Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon is ground zero...."

www.apocalypseangel.com/morningstar.html

I've never been to that web site before, I just googled "is satan nebuchadnezzar".. and that happens to be at the top of the results, and also pretty much in line with my observations and conclusions. I don't buy the Appokeelyptic mumbo jumbo other than that it's a mythology that articulates the cyclical demise of human culture described in Romans 1:25+.

For other mythologies regarding Fallen Angels - take a look at the Yazedi of Northern Iraq.

Fallen Angels -- or FRAUDS who would be man-god-kings among the superstitious and easily deceived?

VxH  posted on  2015-04-18   19:50:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: VxH, liberator, A K A Stone (#148)

"It is king Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon who embodies the great villain position of Satan in the bible. Our image of Satan is developed from the fall of king Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon's evil human pride. The 'Babylon has Fallen!', in the Book of Revelations, is relating to the future fall of secular world dominance in preparation for the coming of Messianic Reign. The dynasty of prideful, world dominant, God authorized, secular world powers, passing from one nation to another over time, initiated from king Nebuchadnezzar, falls at our future Battle of Armageddon. The ‘beast’, and ‘whore of Babylon’, which are cast into hell with Satan, in the future apocalypse, begin with king Nebuchadnezzar. To understand where the Satan/Babylon, who falls in the Book of Revelation is coming from, king Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon is ground zero...."

Wow has everything you love to write about done so succinctly.

Only thing missing is the reference to Caesarian eunuch priests being thrown in the lake of fire:)

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead” (1 Peter 1:3)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-18   20:00:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: redleghunter (#149)

Wow has everything you love to write about done so succinctly.

That's the beauty of self-evident Truth when free minded Individuals are allowed to pursue it without state-established coercion.

VxH  posted on  2015-04-18   20:04:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: redleghunter (#149) (Edited)

Only thing missing is the reference to Caesarian eunuch priests being thrown in the lake of fire:)

Quack, Waddle...

"The fall of Korah and his band of morning stars being cast into hell gives us the image of 'morning star', 'fallen angel' Lucifer, aka Satan, being thrust into hell. The Book of Jude refers to Korah and his band of morning stars as fallen 'angels'. "

Eunuducks.

Now who was Korah?

"Korah, son of Izhar, son of Kohath, son of Levi [and Dathan and Abiram, sons of Eliab, son of Pallu, son of Reuben] took two hundred and fifty Israelites who were leaders in the community, members of the council and men of note. They stood before Moses and Aaron, to whom they said, "Enough from you! The whole community, all of them, are holy; the LORD is in their midst. Why then should you set yourselves over the LORD's congregation?"."

Levites. What a surprise.

Num 16:1-2

16 Korah son of Izhar, the son of Kohath, the son of Levi, and certain Reubenites — Dathan and Abiram, sons of Eliab, and On son of Peleth — became insolenta 2 and rose up against Moses.

NIV

 

Woops there it is!

VxH  posted on  2015-04-18   20:09:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: redleghunter (#149)

Only thing missing is the reference to Caesarian eunuch priests being thrown in the lake of fire

Num 16:31-35

31 As soon as he finished saying all this, the ground under them split apart 32 and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed them, with their households and all Korah's men and all their possessions. 33 They went down alive into the grave, with everything they owned; the earth closed over them, and they perished and were gone from the community. 34 At their cries, all the Israelites around them fled, shouting, "The earth is going to swallow us too!"

35 And fire came out from the Lord and consumed the 250 men who were offering the incense. NIV

Sort of like that?

VxH  posted on  2015-04-18   21:05:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: Liberator (#116)

Do you believe Revelation? The Gospel? Or for that matter Isaiah or ANY of the Bible?

I believe you're more interesting in attacking my faith than you are in discovering the Truth.

VxH  posted on  2015-04-18   21:22:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: misterwhite (#144)

the investment banks -- Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup and Merrill Lynch.

Prior to the repeal of Glass-Steagall, were COMMERCIAL banks like Wells Fargo and BofA allowed to act like SPECULATIVE Investment banks?

VxH  posted on  2015-04-19   1:15:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: Vicomte13, Liberator (#94) (Edited)

Am I to understand this is your theory for the reason for the Vatican's astronomers?

It's not a theory.

Firstly, I hope Liberator is not confusing astronomer with astrologers.

Secondly, the church always had astronomer - but not for the reasons Vic mentioned.

astronomy was the only way to reliable know what day of the year it is and that is important to figure out when it is a holy day, etc. This was something all priesthoods did - Jewish Cohen, Persian Magi (who were so knowledgable the word magic comes from their predictive abilities), etc.

The official time keeper of the church was the Pope of Alexandria - the modern Patriarch of Alexandria in the Orthodox church and one of his main titles in English translates to "Judge of the Universe" but that just means he is the time keeper - he states when it is Sunday, when it is Easter, etc (he judges that based on the alignment of stars).

People forget that there used to be a real practical purpose to studying the movement of the planets - it was the only reliable clock.

Pericles  posted on  2015-04-19   2:51:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: redleghunter, all (#74)

Yeah sure, give those kooks a nuke.

This says it all.

http://www.investors.com/editorial-cartoons/michael-ramirez/748432

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2015-04-19   5:01:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: Pericles (#155)

That's true, but it's not really why the pope still has an astronomer.

Interestingly, Tycho Brahe's and Kepler's role at the Imperial Court in Prague was Astrologer. Astronomy was a subset of the work of the Astrologer. So, the elliptical orbits of the planets, and the marking of their exact positions that made that possible, was actually performed by ASTROLOGERS, not simply astronomers.

History has some funny surprises.

The fact that most of the precise recordation of planetary transits of the sun today is performed and recorded by Jesuits in various of their institutions around the world is, likewise, interesting.

Liberator suggested that the day has passed when the Pope needs his own scientists, but actually, astronomical sciences today still need the Church to be doing all of this grunt work recordation of things, the steady data stream.

Something else: the planets do not really orbit the sun in ellipses. Rather, the sun and the planets all corkscrew around the center of mass of the solar system, which is not usually within the disc of the Sun but outside of it, and the whole system is corkscrewing forward in space in its own orbit about other things.

The elliptical model reduces in two dimensions what is in fact a three-dimensional system, and reduces the Sun to a focus of the rotation, but it isn't.

Actual reality is different from the models. The models are good enough for everything that we need them for, but they ARE NOT TRUTH.

Because they SEEM so precise, and are TAUGHT as the truth, people can be forgiven for believing they ARE the truth. But they are not. They're approximate models. And they're not necessarily explanatory either. This is the hard second step of realization.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-04-19   8:36:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: VxH (#145)

"And what does "separating commercial and investment banking" mean in relation to the down stream flow from Ameriquest/Argent Mortgage's sub-prime sewer system?"

Absolutely nothing -- which is my point. Ameriquest was not a commercial bank nor an investment bank nor even a bank. There was nothing to separate.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-04-19   9:05:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: misterwhite (#158) (Edited)

What did commercial banks like Wells Fargo and BofA learn, as did others, from the Godfather of Subprime's "revolutionary" enterprise?

Were Wells Fargo, BofA, and other commercial banks allowed to engage in SPECULATIVE investment activities prior to the repeal of the GSA?

VxH  posted on  2015-04-19   10:37:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: Pericles (#155) (Edited)

>>People forget that there used to be a real practical purpose to studying the movement of the planets

People forget lots of things.

Deut 4:19

19 And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars — all the heavenly array — do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the Lord your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven.

NIV

Isa 34:4

4 All the stars of the heavens will be dissolved

and the sky rolled up like a scroll;

all the starry host will fall

like withered leaves from the vine,

like shriveled figs from the fig tree.

NIV

Num 16:1-2

16 Korah son of Izhar, the son of Kohath, the son of Levi, and certain Reubenites — Dathan and Abiram, sons of Eliab, and On son of Peleth — became insolenta 2 and rose up against Moses.

NIV

 

"became insolenta 2 and rose up against Moses".....and the starry angels fell.

VxH  posted on  2015-04-19   10:47:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: VxH (#159)

"What did commercial banks like Wells Fargo and BofA learn, as did others, from the Godfather of Subprime's "revolutionary" enterprise?"

When forced by the federal government to issue subprime mortgages, these commercial banks learned to dump them on Fannie and Freddie as soon as possible.

"Were Wells Fargo, BofA, and other commercial banks allowed to engage in SPECULATIVE investment activities prior to the repeal of the GSA?"

No need to. Prior to the repeal of Glass-Steagall the mortgages they wrote were solid.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-04-19   12:41:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: misterwhite (#161)

Prior to the repeal of Glass-Steagall the mortgages they wrote were solid.

But after the repeal of GSA, they weren't.

When forced by the federal government to issue subprime mortgages,

That's a load of manure. Numerous banks and credit unions managed to stay completely out of the subprime market.

Others got into it for the same reasons the Investment banks did: GREED.

VxH  posted on  2015-04-19   17:55:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: VxH (#148)

Of course others disagree. I don't really mind that. Many think the Holy Bible is nothing but a loose collection of myths and fables. I don't really care about that as there isn't anything I can do about it. When the right time comes, there will be people who will change their mind about those "myths and fables." Hopefully, that time won't be after the cut-off date.

Don  posted on  2015-04-19   18:55:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: Don (#163)

How many times does Moses mention Satan by name?

VxH  posted on  2015-04-19   19:18:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: VxH (#162)

"But after the repeal of GSA, they weren't"

You're confusing that with the implementation of the CRA. Those mortgages weren't solid at all. And when securitized with good mortgages, they totally screwed up the market.

"Numerous banks and credit unions managed to stay completely out of the subprime market."

Good for them.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-04-19   20:44:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: VxH (#164)

How many angels will fit on the head of a pin?

Don  posted on  2015-04-19   23:20:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: tomder55, liberator (#156)

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead” (1 Peter 1:3)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-20   17:34:28 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: Don (#166)

Where does Moses refer to Satan by name?

VxH  posted on  2015-04-20   21:03:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: misterwhite (#165) (Edited)

You're confusing that with the implementation of the CRA.

Nope.

CRA was passed decades before the subprime gaming "revolutionized" the market.

>"Numerous banks and credit unions managed to stay completely out of the subprime market."

Good for them.

Uhuh. And good for their customers - Because, unlike the greedy shysters who ended up on the bailout list, they weren't securitizing toilet paper and trying to float/hedge it with derivative turds like their peers did after being allowed to do so by the repeal of GSA.

VxH  posted on  2015-04-20   21:10:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#170. To: redleghunter (#167)

Too many people today can't think in any type of commonsense.

Don  posted on  2015-04-20   22:33:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#171. To: Don (#170) (Edited)

Too many people today can't think in any type of commonsense.

Common sense like recognizing the fact that Moses never mentions Satan by name.

Who/what was Moses used to liberate the people of Israel from?

VxH  posted on  2015-04-21   8:21:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#172. To: VxH (#171)

Are you trying to say Moses never mentions Satan in the Holy Bible? So?

Moses led a very long life. Did you live with Moses in his tent for all of those years? Or, do you have notarized affidavits signed by Moses' closest friends testifying to your claim? What difference does it make anyways regarding your point, whatever it is?

Don  posted on  2015-04-21   14:08:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#173. To: VxH (#171)

I don't want you to think I don't want to answer your questions, so I will tell you that God used Moses to free the ancient Hebrews from their Egyptian overlords.

Don  posted on  2015-04-21   18:10:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#174. To: Don (#173)

their Egyptian overlords.

Yep. It seems the "satan" Moses was confronted with was, like Nebuchadnezzar, of a temporal nature.

VxH  posted on  2015-04-21   21:17:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#175. To: VxH (#174)

King Neb. Had nothing to do with the Pharoah of Egypt or Satan having a bad hair day when God got after him. Stay on target, Luke.

Don  posted on  2015-04-21   22:53:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#176. To: Don (#175) (Edited)

King Neb. Had nothing to do with the Pharoah of Egypt or Satan

All three are representative of temporal world power.

www.apocalypseangel.com/morningstar.html

VxH  posted on  2015-04-21   23:09:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#177. To: VxH (#176)

However, they have zero applicability to what we were talking about. Your argument is a Red Herring.

Don  posted on  2015-04-21   23:29:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#178. To: Don (#177)

"King Neb. Had nothing to do with the Pharoah of Egypt or Satan"

FALSE

VxH  posted on  2015-04-21   23:59:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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