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Vladimir Putin tells Tucker Carlson US should stop arming Ukraine to end war Putin hints Moscow and Washington in back-channel talks in revealing Tucker Carlson interview Trump accuses Fulton County DA Fani Willis of lying in court response to Roman's motion Mandatory anti-white racism at Disney. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In Corrupt Government See other Corrupt Government Articles Title: Obama to Catholic Church: Treat Divorced People and Gays Differently Or Else Source: www.redstate.com URL Source: http://www.redstate.com/2015/03/30/ ... e-and-gay-differently-or-else/ Published: Mar 31, 2015 Author: Erick Erickson Post Date: 2015-03-31 08:43:12 by CZ82 Keywords: None Views: 7103 Comments: 49 Obama to Catholic Church: Treat Divorced People and Gays Differently Or Else By: Erick Erickson (Diary) | March 30th, 2015 at 04:24 PM | 50 The Catholic Church operates a private school in Macon, Georgia. Flint Dollar was their band teacher. He is openly gay. The Catholic Church position is that being gay is not, in and of itself a sin. Rather, non-marital sex is a sin. Likewise, marriage is a sacrament in the Catholic Church — a bond between one man and one woman. The Catholic Church does not approve of people teaching at Mount de Sales if they’ve violated the sacraments of the church. Teachers who get divorced are let go. Flint Dollar also wants to violate a sacrament of the church. He wants to get married to another man. The Church, as a result, dismissed him. Now the Obama Administration is telling the Catholic Church it must treat gays and divorced heterosexuals differently Flint Dollar sued claiming he was not conforming to his gender because he wants to marry a guy. The EEOC says they’re fine with that. http://www.macon.com/2015/03/30/3668458_eeoc-issues-determination-letter.html?rh=1 Pope Francis and the Catholic Church will be made to care — on the same day Georgia Republicans have said RFRA is not needed in Georgia. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Comments (1-8) not displayed.       .       .       . #9. To: CZ82 (#0) Obama to Catholic Church: Treat Divorced People and Gays Differently Or Else What is Obama's intention to do now, ban the Catholic church by executive order? rlk  posted on  2015-03-31   21:00:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: rlk (#9) What is Obama's intention to do now To Assume Dominion over the faith of others, evidently. VxH  posted on  2015-04-01   0:09:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: CZ82, *Religious History and Issues* (#0) Just pinging the list. "For the Lord is our Judge, The Lord is our Lawgiver, The Lord is our King; He will save us" (Isaiah 33:22) redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-01   0:27:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: CZ82 (#7) If you had been military you would have been exposed to them on a daily basis, like "SNAFU" for instance. :) My favorite which has historical roots is "FUBAR." One "word" which senior NCOs understand and no further explanation is needed. For example if the motorpool was a bit messy before Friday final formation and inspection, I would say "First Sergeant so and so needs to fix xy and z. He knew I was being picky. But if I said the motorpool was FUBAR, he knew the mp was coined up and some NCOs would be staying late to fix it. "For the Lord is our Judge, The Lord is our Lawgiver, The Lord is our King; He will save us" (Isaiah 33:22) redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-01   0:35:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: Vicomte13 (#8) TYVM YW IHA Thank you very much. Your welcome. I hate acronyms (tongue in cheek) Tooconservative  posted on  2015-04-01   4:07:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: TooConservative (#13) TYVM YW IHA 1.Thank you very much. 2.Your welcome. 3.I hate acronyms (tongue in cheek) CIJMOU? Can I Just Make One Up? In the Navy, there is (or at least there was, in the 1980s), the DICNAVAB, the "Dictionary of Navy Abbreviations". It was a real publication. NS! Vicomte13  posted on  2015-04-01   7:50:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: CZ82 (#0) Now the Obama Administration is telling the Catholic Church it must treat gays and divorced heterosexuals differently Obama takes penis in the ass. Who cares what that faggot says thinks or does. The Secret Service should punch him in the nose. A K A Stone  posted on  2015-04-01   8:02:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: CZ82 (#0) Flint Dollar was their band teacher. He is openly gay. With a name like "Flint Dollar" (hard buck),who would have ever guessed? The Catholic Church does not approve of people teaching at Mount de Sales if they’ve violated the sacraments of the church. Teachers who get divorced are let go. Flint Dollar also wants to violate a sacrament of the church. He wants to get married to another man. The Church, as a result, dismissed him. Ok,while it might be a slight stretch of the imagination to say I am a fan of the Catholic Church,they are a business,and have the same damn right to hire and fire anyone they want,for any reason at all,or for no reason at all. Neither Flint Dollar (I wonder what his birth name was?) nor anyone else has a Constitutionally protected RIGHT to work anywhere they want if that business doesn't want to hire them. The US Constitution prevents the GOVERNMENT from discriminating. Any citizen is free to discriminate against anyone and everyone they want because citizens have a guaranteed Constitution RIGHT to "freedom of association". This includes citizens that own or manage businesses that deal with the public. You don't like their policies,don't go to work for them and don't do business with them. Now the Obama Administration is telling the Catholic Church it must treat gays and divorced heterosexuals differently We know this ignorant half-breed buffoon hates white people because his mother didn't pick a white father for him,but is he really so stupid that he thinks he can take on the Catholic Church IN THE NAME OF THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-01   10:31:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: Vicomte13 (#2) My bet is that there will be a court challenge, and a federal court will uphold the Catholic school's right to continue to police its staff for religious conformity. Depends on which state it goes to court. If it goes to court in a heavily Catholic state,Constitutional Law will prevail,even if for the wrong reasons. If it goes to court in a non-Catholic area,it's a toss-up. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-01   10:34:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #18. To: CZ82 (#3) Equal Employment Opportunity Commission Typical goobermint distortion. They name agencies to imply they do the direct opposite of what they really do. FACT: The government does NOT have the Constitutional Right to tell ANYBODY who they can hire or fire. Period. The ONLY "equal opportunity employer" is THEM since they represent "The People" and by Constitutional Law the government MUST treat ALL citizens equally. Ironically enough,thanks to EEOC laws the government is by FAR the BIGGEST employment discriminator in the entire nation,thanks to EEO laws that promote Affirmative Action. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-01   10:39:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #19. To: rlk (#9) What is Obama's intention to do now, ban the Catholic church by executive order? His homies with names like "20 Mule Team Abdullah Mohammed Washington" might like it,but I suspect the His and Her Panics ain't going to be real happy wid him. Not that he cares. He is never going to run for President again,and thanks to him chances are there won't be another black president for at least 100 years. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-01   10:41:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #20. To: sneakypete (#17) Depends on which state it goes to court. If it goes to court in a heavily Catholic state,Constitutional Law will prevail,even if for the wrong reasons. If it goes to court in a non-Catholic area,it's a toss-up. At the trial level, perhaps. But then it gets appealed. And if the appeals court gets it wrong, the Supreme Court will get it right. No state is going to get to impose staff on the Catholic Church. States have been trying to impose all sorts of things on the Church for over a century. They always lose. If the locals don't stop it the legislature does. If the legislature doesn't stop it then an governor does. If they don't, the Feds do, either politically or judicially. There are 6 Catholics on the Supreme Court. The law isn't going to stand. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-04-01   10:52:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #21. To: CZ82 (#0) Now the Obama Administration is telling the Catholic Church it must treat gays and divorced heterosexuals differently Flint Dollar sued claiming he was not conforming to his gender because he wants to marry a guy. The EEOC says they’re fine with that. Every time Obolo makes a flippant remark or 'suggestion' some Executive order follows. This was not a suggestion but a threat. "For the Lord is our Judge, The Lord is our Lawgiver, The Lord is our King; He will save us" (Isaiah 33:22) redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-01   10:57:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #22. To: sneakypete (#19) His homies with names like "20 Mule Team Abdullah Mohammed Washington" Freakin' hilarious. Liberator  posted on  2015-04-01   11:11:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: redleghunter, CZ82 (#21) Every time Obolo makes a flippant remark or 'suggestion' some Executive order follows. This was not a suggestion but a threat. Yup. And the GOP has not once yet stepped in and halted the psycho-in-chief's run on the table. If the 1A falls, the 2A in the Left's bomb-site. The Kenyan is tone-deaf to and devoid of ANY sense of propriety or consequence. He WELCOMES chaos and destruction. The Left (aided and abetted by GOP Statists) is conducting a Scorched Earth policy, backed by America's own institutions. With 22 months or so left to his reign of unconstitutional terror, he's going to push shove the fascist-leftist envelope as far as he can -- backed by an army of perpetually angry homofascists and social media bots (who've obvious created a cyber-means to over-exaggerate their forces), and the 24/7 bombardment of media. They demonstrate the fervor of entitled jihadists combined with the same ill-logic. What's absolutely alarming is the lack of organized, fervant push-back from OUR side. Liberator  posted on  2015-04-01   11:28:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #24. To: sneakypete (#17) If it goes to court in a heavily Catholic state,Constitutional Law will prevail,even if for the wrong reasons. If Constitutional Law hasn't mattered in the courts (or Congress) till now during the 0bola Era, what makes you believe the previous methods of PTB coercion (blackmail, threats, bribes) won't continue to prevail? Liberator  posted on  2015-04-01   11:32:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #25. To: Vicomte13 (#20) No state is going to get to impose staff on the Catholic Church. States have been trying to impose all sorts of things on the Church for over a century. They always lose. If the locals don't stop it the legislature does. If the legislature doesn't stop it then an governor does. If they don't, the Feds do, either politically or judicially. There are 6 Catholics on the Supreme Court. The law isn't going to stand. 6 Catholics on the SC, but how many are Dem, subversive, Leftist, gay, or blackmailed? They are compromised. Despite all those Fail-Safe mechanisms in place, NOTHING has stopped Nero from implementing a single piece of subversive/unconstitutional policy. And I don't see any much organized outrage and opposition from the supposed 40 million Catholics (yet we see a hurricane of jihadism from the 1 1/2% of the population that's queer.) Too much seems to be askew; The Fix appears to be in. Liberator  posted on  2015-04-01   11:39:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #26. To: CZ82 (#3) (Edited) Equal Employment Opportunity Commission Can you imagine the mutants-in-charge at this place? ("You MUST hire this pedophile-rapist-jihadist-murderer-gay-black-tranny-atheist, because THAT is OUR LAW!! Or else we'll prosecute you and shut down your church for discrimination!!") Liberator  posted on  2015-04-01   11:42:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #27. To: Liberator (#23) What's absolutely alarming is the lack of organized, fervant push-back from OUR side. That's the problem - we don't have a side. Only the GOP. And they're a joke, not an oppositon party. Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-04-01   12:17:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #28. To: Rufus T Firefly (#27) Funny how that's worked out, eh? The GOP wound up as our evil step-mother and we are Cinderella. I guess the more we're beaten, the more our morale is supposed to improve. The GOPe is despicable. Since we're now NOT two, but actually THREE countries-in-one, let's just divvy it all up ASAP. This is ridiculous. Liberator  posted on  2015-04-01   12:22:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #29. To: Liberator (#23) What's absolutely alarming is the lack of organized, fervant push-back from OUR side. Catholic push back is always organized, and cross-jurisdictional, and at times even involves international diplomacy. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-04-01   14:38:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #30. To: redleghunter (#21) This was not a suggestion but a threat. Bring it on. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-04-01   14:39:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #31. To: Vicomte13 (#30) redleghunter This was not a suggestion but a threat. Bring it on. The Apostolic churches survived worse. The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church. Pericles  posted on  2015-04-01   14:43:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #32. To: Liberator (#25) Despite all those Fail-Safe mechanisms in place, NOTHING has stopped Nero from implementing a single piece of subversive/unconstitutional policy. Hobby Lobby stopped the contraception mandate. The Catholic Church does not care about all of the things that American conservatives care about. It cares about the things that IT cares about. And the major threat posed by Obama on THOSE vectors was mandatory birth control. 5 of the 6 Catholic justices on the Supreme Court voted in Hobby Lobby to uphold the religious exception to the health care mandate. The Catholic Church isn't providing contraception, and the Supreme Court said it didn't have to. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-04-01   15:01:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #33. To: Vicomte13, liberator (#30) This was not a suggestion but a threat. Bring it on. Well "bringing it on" will accomplish a house cleaning no doubt. How many Cardinals, bishops, theologians, pastors etc. will melt like butter under pressure. From prior observations----quite a many. "For the Lord is our Judge, The Lord is our Lawgiver, The Lord is our King; He will save us" (Isaiah 33:22) redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-01   15:43:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #34. To: redleghunter (#33) Well "bringing it on" will accomplish a house cleaning no doubt. How many Cardinals, bishops, theologians, pastors etc. will melt like butter under pressure. From prior observations----quite a many. Not on anything structural that I can recall. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-04-01   16:14:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #35. To: Vicomte13, redleghunter (#34) Not on anything structural that I can recall. Perhaps but the paraphrase the Pope "who are they to judge?". потому что Бог хочет это тот путь SOSO  posted on  2015-04-01   16:23:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #36. To: SOSO (#35) Perhaps but the paraphrase the Pope "who are they to judge?". Who are who to judge what? Vicomte13  posted on  2015-04-01   19:06:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #37. To: Vicomte13 (#36) Perhaps but the paraphrase the Pope "who are they to judge?". Who are who to judge what? The church and anybody. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь SOSO  posted on  2015-04-01   20:00:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #38. To: Liberator (#26) Can you imagine the mutants-in-charge at this place? Yes I can. I had a run in with the military version of the EEOC, they tried to get me charged with discrimination without doing their due diligence. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.â€� CZ82  posted on  2015-04-01   20:04:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #39. To: sneakypete (#16) We know this ignorant half-breed buffoon hates white people because his mother didn't pick a white father for him,but is he really so stupid that he thinks he can take on the Catholic Church IN THE NAME OF THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES? I'm curious as to how many of the House and Senate Democrats are actually willing to go along with this considering most of them are Catholic?? “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.â€� CZ82  posted on  2015-04-01   20:15:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #40. To: A K A Stone (#15) Who cares what that faggot says thinks or does. I guess I've lived in the wrong neighborhoods all my life cause I didn't know there were that many totally insane people in this country. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.â€� CZ82  posted on  2015-04-01   20:21:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #41. To: CZ82 (#38) I had a run in with the military version of the EEOC, they tried to get me charged with discrimination without doing their due diligence. HA! Ya gotta be kidding. Tried to bust your nuts? So the lazy mutant-in-charge just flung the baboon poop, fully unprepared. Figures. All these misfit people do is bully whomever around whenever possible under the flimsiest of cases with. Their newly-ironed brownshirts and shiny shield intoxicate them. Liberator  posted on  2015-04-01   21:26:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #42. To: Vicomte13 (#20) And if the appeals court gets it wrong, the Supreme Court will get it right. That doesn't mean they will take it. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-01   23:54:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #43. To: Liberator (#24) If Constitutional Law hasn't mattered in the courts (or Congress) till now during the 0bola Era, what makes you believe the previous methods of PTB coercion (blackmail, threats, bribes) won't continue to prevail? Miss the part where I wrote "IF"? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-01   23:57:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #44. To: Liberator, Vicomte13 (#25) There are 6 Catholics on the Supreme Court. The law isn't going to stand. 6 Catholics on the SC, but how many are Dem, subversive, Leftist, gay, or blackmailed? They are compromised. Liberator does have a point. Political creatures tend to be "Catholic","Jewish","Evangelical",or anything else they need to be for political reasons. Which means none of them are very devout unless there is an election going on. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-01   23:59:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #45. To: Liberator (#26) Equal Employment Opportunity Commission Can you imagine the mutants-in-charge at this place? I'm wondering how much they pay the keepers,and if you can use a stun gun at will. If you can,I might just see if I can get job there and keep myself amused by zotting them like the roaches they are. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-02   0:03:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #46. To: CZ82 (#39) I'm curious as to how many of the House and Senate Democrats are actually willing to go along with this considering most of them are Catholic?? We won't know until they get done "taking the temperatures" of their districts. As with most politicians,they will stand firmly where ever they need to stand to get re-elected. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-02   0:07:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #47. To: Liberator (#41) What happened was I received a Buck Sgt (E4) from an overseas assignment. It's customary to go thru someone's records when they arrive to see what they know or don't know. Anyway not very many items were checked off in his training records, not near enough commensurate with his rank. (I had E2s with more items signed off in their records). So to me this meant he was going to need at least 1 or 2 years of OJT (On the Job Training) to get him up to speed, under someone's supervision. Well needless to say he didn't like that and went running to Social Actions about how I was discriminating against him (by not making him a Supervisor/Reporting Official). So instead of SA coming down to the shop with my 1stSgt and investigating quietly the allegations, they went for this gusto and set up this big hearing with a bunch of big wigs involved. When I walked in the door with the 1stSgt it looked like I was in court, (about 7 people of higher rank than me were sitting behind a long table) I almost laughed at this little attempt at intimidation. (Oh BTW me and the 1stSgt were the only whites there). Anyway they asked me if I knew why I was there and I said yes but I didn't understand why they hadn't contacted me or the squadron to quietly investigate the allegations before this little show trial. (That got a lot of frowns). So I proceeded to prove why I had done what I did with him, and that drew a whole lot more frowns (they knew they had nothing and that the E4 had lied). After I was done the Shirt was pissed over the whole thing and said to them "We're done here, if you have something relevant to add you know my phone number". On the way out the door I said "BTW do you have any white people working here"? (If looks could melt or kill I wouldn't be here today). “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.â€� CZ82  posted on  2015-04-02   7:16:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #48. To: sneakypete (#42) (Edited) That doesn't mean they will take it. And if they don't, then the Catholic hospitals will close. In some places, the Catholic facilities are over 50% of the beds. The Catholic Church won't violate its doctrines. It will close its institutions an impose an immediate and unremediable disaster. Nor will it give the government time to adjust. It won't break the law, but it won't break its own law either. So the closing will be abrupt and calamitous. Long before that happens, the Cardinals, Bishops, Priests and Administrators will make this perfectly clear to the politicians and bureaucrats. They do it all the time. They did it in the run up to Hobby Lobby. The government seemed hellbent on imposing the rule, and the Church rejected the terms, and things were headed towards a shutdown. And then the Supreme Court issued its Hobby Lobby opinion and the government was thrown back on its heels. Politicians and Bureaucrats know that if the Church pulls out of a major social service, the resources do not exist to cover the gap, the pain becomes immediate and overwhelming, and the politicians will suffer at the hands of the people...not because the people love the Catholics, but because the people NEED the services, and the Catholics provide a huge portion of them. There is no way to compel the Catholic Church to do what it will not do. Nero failed to do it. The Pope made Napoleon marry Josephine, in private, before he'd do the coronation. The Church hid tens of thousands of French Jewish kids, as "orphans" and "students", during the Holocaust. And in the late 19th/early 20th Century, when American public schools in many places, were forcing Protestant prayers on Catholic immigrants, the Church commanded all parishes to open schools, they did, and the Catholic school system plucked the children out of the public schools. Enraged politicians in many states passed laws to make that illegal. The Catholics ignored the local laws as unconstitutional and took their case to the Supreme Court and won. And more states rights were clipped away: States don't have the right to stop the Catholics from having their own schools. Those rights can be extended to other institutions and schools and churches, and have been. But the truth is that the Catholic Church is a very large, integrated, opinionated, stubborn and strong organization, which can muster resources from the whole world to fight a fight in any particular country. And does. And it never loses these fights. It doesn't lose because God protects the Church. Jesus promised that the gates of hell won't prevail against it, and they don't. But they try. The Supreme Court already took Hobby Lobby. The new ruling sounds like it ignores Hobby Lobby. Lower courts will have that argument presented, and some will issue injunctions. The ones that don't, will see appeals go up. The injunction, based on Hobby Lobby, will be issued by some court, and if it isn't, the Supremes will issue the injunction (without hearing a new case). And if they don't, then those unfortunate jurisdictions that don't have a judge issue an injunction will suddenly find the lights going out in Catholic hospitals, bedspace disappear, their local population suddenly really deprived...and they will find the political pain to be unbearable. And they will yield. The Catholic Church has steadily yielded on awards to the victims of pedophilia, because on this matter the Church knows it was wrong - and it was - and the Catholic laity will not defend the Church, and the Pope himself has raged that it was criminal and demanded an accounting. So on THAT issue the Church doesn't defend itself. It confesses its sins and pays penance. Because that's the right thing to do when you do wrong, and the Church did wrong there. But on the mandatory abortion issue, the Church knows that it is right, it knows its doctrines, the hierarchy is in unity, and the faithful, contributing, churchgoing Catholics agree. So the Church will hold a hard line on this, will not budge, and Caesar will yield to the Church on this one. Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, yes, but human life is a thing that is God's. The Church stood up to Rome and won. It will certainly defeat Obama. All it has to do is delay everything by a couple of years. Of course, if the state really does impose its laws, then the Church will pull out of the hospital business, and taxes will have to go up by 10% so that the government can provide the care that the Catholics provide more cheaply. It's not going to happen. The government can't win this one because it's ultimately lose-lose, and the Catholic Church never backs down on its fundamentals. Not killing babies is a non-negotiable fundamental. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-04-02   7:53:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #49. To: Vicomte13 (#48) The Catholic Church won't violate its doctrines. Of course they will. This is just posturing and hoping the cult members will apply pressure on the politicians to bail them out. If that doesn't happen they will do what all whores do,and bend over and grab their ankles to "take it". A position many priests are already intimately familiar with. Back when Willie Brown was the Mayor of San Francisco,the city passed a new ordinance demanding any organization that did business with the city had to comply with the (then new) law of paying benefits to the "partners" in same-sex relationships just like they paid to married heterosexual couples. IIRC,there were no legal heterosexual marriages back then. The local Diocese filed suit claiming it violated their long-held religious beliefs,and as a religion they should be exempt. They lost,and the court told them nobody was making them violate their religious beliefs but themselves because there was no law requiring them to take paid contracts from the city to provide "charity" services to the needy. MY opinion on this is they were already being paid to provide these services because they were a religion and tax-free,but to the best of my memory the court didn't address that. Sooooo,faced with either violating a core element of their faith or losing MILLION bucks a year in city contracts,they caved and decided the 5 million was more important. Proving once again they are nothing but a corporation in the guise of a religion. They are nothing but whores who only believe in profits and power. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-02   9:41:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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