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Title: Reporter Who Exposed Hillary’s Secret Intel Operation: Who Authorized & Financed It?
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URL Source: http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern ... on-who-authorized-financed-it/
Published: Mar 29, 2015
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2015-03-29 23:27:47 by out damned spot
Keywords: Intel, operation, Hillary
Views: 99223
Comments: 168

One of the reporters who exposed what appears to have been former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s clandestine and rogue intelligence service said that there are more questions than answers regarding the operation, which was exposed in the hacked emails of Clinton’s longtime confidante Sidney Blumenthal.

Appearing on Breitbart News Sunday on Sirius XM Patriot channel 125, Jeff Gerth, a two-time Pulitzer Prize winner, told host and Breitbart News Executive Chairman Stephen K. Bannon that he still wanted to know “who authorized or tasked this network to do what they did” and “who was paying for this?”

Gerth, the former New York Times reporter who now works for ProPublica, co- authored the report on Clinton’s rogue intelligence operation with Gawker’s Sam Biddle. He said the intelligence operation revealed in the Blumenthal emails reminds him of the Ed Wilson scandal in Libya and the Iran-Contra scandal. He noted that in both cases people were sent to jail or convicted of various crimes.

“You don’t just pick this stuff up from the Internet,” he said, noting “there were human intelligence sources inside of Libya that were gathering this information” and relaying it to Blumenthal, who then forwarded the accounts to Clinton’s private email account.

Gerth emphasized that the Blumenthal emails are “just a minor tiny percentage of what was going on here.” He said “we got a few pieces but don’t have anywhere near the full puzzle” because journalists have to work “with what the hacker chose to download” and take screenshots of two years ago.

According to the Gawker/ProPublica report, “starting weeks before Islamic militants attacked the U.S. diplomatic outpost in Benghazi, Libya, longtime Clinton family confidante Sidney Blumenthal supplied intelligence to then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton gathered by a secret network that included a former CIA clandestine service officer.” Blumenthal’s emails “include at least a dozen detailed reports on events on the deteriorating political and security climate in Libya as well as events in other nations” and they came to light when a Hacker called Guccifer posted them in 2013.

On August 23, 2012, less than three weeks before the Benghazi attacks that killed four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens, an email, according to the report, cites “‘an extremely sensitive source’ who highlighted a string of bombings and kidnappings of foreign diplomats and aid workers in Tripoli, Benghazi and Misrata, suggesting they were the work of people loyal to late Libyan Prime Minister Muammar Gaddafi.”

As the report points out, Hillary Clinton claimed “that U.S. intelligence officials didn’t have advance knowledge” of security threats in Benghazi, but Blumenthal’s email “portrays a deteriorating security climate” even if the memo, according to Gawker, “doesn’t rise to the level of a warning about the safety of U.S. diplomats.” On the day after the Benghazi attacks, Blumenthal reportedly sent an email sent an email saying a “sensitive source” said that interim Libyan president Mohammed Yussef el Magariaf “was told by a senior security officer” that the Benghazi attacks were “inspired by an anti-Muslim video made in the U.S,” which was the Obama administration’s preferred spin.

The next day, though, Blumenthal reportedly sent an email that “said Libyan security officials believed an Islamist radical group called the Ansa al Sharia brigade had prepared the attack a month in advance and ‘took advantage of the cover’ provided by the demonstrations against the video.” Another email in October of 2012 notes “that Magariaf and the Libyan army chief of staff agree that the ‘situation in the country is becoming increasingly dangerous and unmanageable’ and ‘far worse’ than Western leaders realize.”

The report notes that though the intelligence notes were sent under Blumenthal’s name, they “appear to have been gathered and prepared by Tyler Drumheller, a former chief of the CIA’s clandestine service in Europe who left the agency in 2005.” He has since reportedly established a consulting firm– Tyler Drumheller, LLC. The emails also show that “Cody Shearer, a longtime Clinton family operative,” was also in “close contact with Blumenthal.”

Blumenthal’s hacked emails also show that “he and his associates worked to help the Libyan opposition, and even plotted to insert operatives on the ground using a private contractor.” The emails reveal that Blumenthal and Shearer were negotiating with former Army General David Grange “to place send four operatives on a week-long mission to Tunis, Tunisia, and ‘to the border and back.'” Grange, “a major general in the Army who ran a secret Pentagon special operations unit before retiring in 1999,” according to the report, “subsequently founded Osprey Global Solutions, a consulting firm and government contractor that offers logistics, intelligence, security training, armament sales, and other services.”

The Libyan National Transition Council and Grange’s Osprey Global Solutions, according to documents, agreed that Osprey would “‘assist in the resumption of access to its assets and operations in country’ and train Libyan forces in intelligence, weaponry, and ‘rule-of-land warfare.'” Another email reportedly shows that Drumheller appealed to “then-Libyan Prime Minister Ali Zeidan offering the services of Tyler Drumheller LLC, ‘to develop a program that will provide discreet confidential information allowing the appropriate entities in Libya to address any regional and international challenges.'”

In addition to intelligence information from Libya, the Blumenthal memos, according to the report, “cover a wide array of subjects in extreme detail, from German Prime Minister Angela Merkel’s conversations with her finance minister about French president Francois Hollande–marked ‘THIS INFORMATION COMES FROM AN EXTREMELY SENSITIVE SOURCE’—to the composition of the newly elected South Korean president’s transition team.”

A Clinton spokesman reportedly told the outlets that the Blumenthal emails were part of the nearly 33,000 pages of emails that Clinton turned over to the State Department.

As the report notes, “Blumenthal, a New Yorker staff writer in the 1990s, became a top aide to President Bill Clinton and worked closely with Hillary Clinton during the fallout from the Whitewater investigation into the Clinton family.” Hillary Clinton even reportedly “tried to hire him when she joined President Obama’s cabinet in 2009, but White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel reportedly nixed the idea” because of Blumenthal’s attacks on Obama during the 2008 Democratic primary. On Breitbart News Sunday, Gerth also reminded listeners how close Blumenthal is to the Clintons–he was the last person, for instance, Hillary Clinton spoke to before she went on the Today show during the Monica Lewinsky affair to allege a “vast right-wing conspiracy” against the Clintons.

The emails raise more questions about whether all of the more than 30,000 emails that Clinton deemed to be “personal” were really not “work-related.” Clinton refused to turn her email server over to a third party and Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC), who chairs the House Select Benghazi Committee, revealed on Friday that Clinton had wiped her email server “clean.” Gowdy, citing “huge gaps” in the emails that his committee has received, has indicated that there may be many relevant emails regarding Libya that Clinton may not have turned over, which is why he has indicated that the House may take legal action to get access to Clinton’s email server.

“There are gaps of months and months and months. And if you think to that iconic picture of her on a C-17 flying to Libya, she has sunglasses on and she has her handheld device in her hand, we have no e-mails from that day. In fact, we have no e-mails from that trip, Gowdy said on a recent appearance on CBS’s Face the Nation. “So, it’s strange credibility to believe that if you’re on your way to Libya to discuss Libyan policy that there’s not a single document that has been turned over to Congress. So, there are huge gaps. And with respect to the president, it’s not up to Secretary Clinton to decide what is a public record and what’s not.”

Gerth pointed out that “these things these usually have layers to them” and there is a lot more that needs to be unearthed.

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#1. To: out damned spot, TooConservative, tomder55 (#0)

The stinking plot thickens.

These Xlintons learned much from Nixon.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-30   0:17:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: redleghunter (#1)

These Xlintons learned much from Nixon.

You can't be ignorant enough to be serious!

I am no fan of Richard "Wage and Price Controls,and lets open relations with China while we are at it!" Nixon,but ALL he was guilty of was participating in the coverup. He had no part in the actual crime.

On the other hand,BOTH Clintons have been involved in treason since their college days. Hillary was even caught manufacturing evidence against Nixon when she worked for the Watergate committee,and hiding evidence favorable to him and was fired for it by Archibald Cox with the recommendation that "she never be hired or appointed to any position of trust with the government in the future."

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-30   6:42:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: sneakypete (#4)

[sneakypete #4] Nixon,but ALL he was guilty of was participating in the coverup. He had no part in the actual crime.

“THE” BREAK-IN

August 28, 1971

Office of Dr. Lewis J. Fielding, psychiatrist of Daniel Ellsberg, by Hunt and Liddy.

September 3, 1971

Office of Dr. Lewis J. Fielding, by Barker, De Diego, and Martinez. Hunt and Liddy stood guard outside.

May 26, 1971

Offices of the DNC, by Hunt and Gonzalez, McCord provided surveillance from across the street.

May 27, 1971

DNC, by Sturgis, Gonzalez, Barker, Martinez, McCord, De Diego and Pico. Hunt and Liddy in Watergate room. Aborted, unable to pick lock.

May 27-28

DNC, by Sturgis, Gonzalez, Barker, Martinez, and McCord.

June 17, 1972

DNC, by Barker, Sturgis, Martinez, Gonzalez and McCord. Hunt and Liddy in Watergate room. Busted and arrested.

Of course, the above list of actual break-ins does not include the break-in of the Brookings Institution ordered by President Nixon. On the White House Tapes, Conversation Number 533-1, on June 30, 1971, Presdent Nixon is heard saying to H.R. Haldeman, “The way I want that handled, Bob, is to do it another way. I want—I want Brookings—I want them to just break in.”

The head/co-chair of the White House Special Investigations Unit put a sign on the door of his office, Room 16 in the basement of the Old Executive office Building, DAVID R. YOUNG, PLUMBER. Thus, the unit became known as the plumbers.

David Young was at the White House on July 1, 1971 and the Special Investigations Unit came into formal existence on July 24, 1971. Its existence as an extra-legal intelligence service was a crime. Everyone involved in bringing it into existence and supporting its continued existence were members of a criminal conspiracy and equally guilty of every criminal act entered into by any member of the conspiracy.

While the break-in of the Brookings Institution was called off, the initial concrete step or overt act did occur. The formation of the criminal conspiracy was complete and it included President Nixon. He was subsequently criminally liable for their criminal existence, criminal funding, and all crimes committed by any member of the conspiracy in furtherance of the conspiracy, whether he had any advance knowledge of the acts or whether he approved the acts or not. Nixon’s criminal acts predated the break-in of June 17, 1972.

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R41223.pdf

Congressional Research Service

Federal Conspiracy Law: A Brief Overview

Charles Doyle
Senior Specialist in American Public Law

April 30, 2010

7-7500
www.crs.gov
R41223

At 9:

Conspiracy is a crime which begins with a scheme and may continue on until its objective is achieved or abandoned. The liability of individual conspirators continues on from the time they joined the plot until it ends or until they withdraw. The want of an individual’s continued active participation is no defense as long as the underlying conspiracy lives and he has not withdrawn. An individual who claims to have withdrawn bears the burden of establishing either that he took some action to make his departure clear to his co-conspirators or that he disclosed the scheme to the authorities. As a general rule, overt acts of concealment do not extend the life of the conspiracy beyond the date of the accomplishment of its main objectives. On the other hand, the rule does not apply when concealment is one of the main objectives of the conspiracy.

In the 93rd Congress, 2nd Session, House Report No. 93-1305, “Impeachment of Richard M. Nixon, President of the United States,” August 20, 1974, at page 3, discussing impeachment Article 2, the report states,

(3) He has, acting personally and through his subordinates and agents, in violation or disregard of the constitutional rights of citizens, authorized and permitted to be maintained a secret investigative unit within the office of the President, financed in part with money derived from campaign contributions, which unlawfully utilized the resources of the Central Intelligence Agency, engaged in covert and unlawful activities, and attempted to prejudice the constitutional right of an accused to a fair trial.

(4) He has failed to take care tat the laws were faithfully executed by failing to act when he knew or had reason to know that his close subordinates endeavored to impete and frustrate lawful inquiries by duly constituted executive, judicial, and legislative entities concerning the unlawful entry ito the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee, and the cover-up thereof, and concerning other unlawful activities, including those relating to the confirmation of Richard Kleindienst as Attorney General of the United States, the electronic surveilance of private citizens, the break-in into the offices of Dr. Lewis Fielding, and the campaign financing practice of the Committee to Re-elect the President.

(5) In disregard of the rule of law, he knowingly misused the executive power by interfering with agencies of the executive branch, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Criminal Division, and the Office of Watergate Special Prosecution Force, of the Department of Justice, and the Central Intelligence Agency, in violation of his duty to take care that the laws by faithfully executed.

At page 35, under “Prior Covert Activities” is found,

Beginning in May, 1969, the White House conducted covert intelligence gathering, not for reasons of national security, but for political purposes. In May, 1969, President Nixon orer the FBI to engage in electronic surveillance of at least seventeen persons, including four newsmen and three White House subordinates whose jobs were unrelated to national security. (Book VII, 142-47, 153).

At 36,

During the same period, White House personnel also engaged directly in illegal surveillance for political purposes. In 1969, Counsel to the President John Erlichman hired Anthony Ulasewicz, a retired police detective, to conduct investigations under the supervision of John Caulfield, a subordinate to Erlichman. (Book VII, 336-44) In June 1969, Caulfield, at Ehrlichan’s direction initiated a wiretap on the residence telephone of newspaper columnist Joseph Kraft. (Book VII, 314-15). Ehrlichman discussed this wiretap with the President. (Book VII, 323) During the next three years, Caulfield and Ulasewicz, under Ehrlichman’s or Dean’s direction, conducted a number of covert inquiries concerning political opponents of the President. (Book VII, 342, 346-47)

Following the publication of the Pentagon Papers in June 1971, the President created a special investigations unit which engaged in covert and unlawful activities. (Book VII, 620-23, 651) This organization (dubbed “the Plumbers) by its members) was based in the White House, under the immediate supervision of John Erlichman. Howard Hunt and Gordon Liddy worked in the Unit. (Book VII, 651) The Plumbers acquired from the FBI information about the Pentagon Papers investigation (Book VII, 952-53)), twice requested the CIA to prepare psychological profiles of Daniel Elsberg (Book VII, 898-99), 1401-03), and formulated a plan to acquire derogatory information about Ellsberg to leak to the press for political purposes. (Book VII, 1126-28) In August, 1971, after obtaining Ehrlichman’s approval for a covery operation, provided it was not traceable, Plumbers co-directors Egil Krough and David Young authorized Hunt and Liddy to undertake an operation to gain access to Ellsberg’s psyciatric records. (Book VII, 1240-44) On September 3, 1971, a team consisting of Bernard Barker, Felipe DeDiego and Eugenio Martinez (all of whom subsequently participated in one of the Watergate break-ins), acting under the direction and immediate supervision of Hunt and Liddy, illegally broke into the office of Dr. Lewis Fielding, Ellsberg’s psychiatrist. (Book VII, 1281-87)

nolu chan  posted on  2015-04-17   0:10:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: nolu chan (#147) (Edited)

Remind us again what office Nixon is running for this election season,Bubba.

He MUST be running for elective office,or you wouldn't be barraging us with details and professional spin on a former president that has been out of office and dead for decades,right?

We all know this couldn't be part of an effort to get people writing and commenting about Nixon so they wouldn't be writing and commenting about Barry Obomer and Bubbette!,right?

Hey,bubba! Nixon is old news,let's move on to discuss current events of national interest instead of flogging a dead horse and a dead man,ok?

After all,hits fo de chil-runs!

sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-17   9:35:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: sneakypete (#154)

After all,hits fo de chil-runs!

Here's a chance to update your routine.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0062369288/ref=gno_cart_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Clinton Cash: The Untold Story of How and Why Foreign Governments and Businesses Helped Make Bill and Hillary Rich

Hardcover – May 5, 2015
by Peter Schweizer (Author)

In 2000, Bill and Hillary Clinton owed millions of dollars in legal debt. Since then, they’ve earned over $130 million. Where did the money come from? Most people assume that the Clintons amassed their wealth through lucrative book deals and high-six figure fees for speaking gigs. Now, Peter Schweizer shows who is really behind those enormous payments.

In his New York Times bestselling books Extortion and Throw Them All Out, Schweizer detailed patterns of official corruption in Washington that led to congressional resignations and new ethics laws. In Clinton Cash, he follows the Clinton money trail, revealing the connection between their personal fortune, their “close personal friends,” the Clinton Foundation, foreign nations, and some of the highest ranks of government.

Schweizer reveals the Clinton’s troubling dealings in Kazakhstan, Colombia, Haiti, and other places at the “wild west” fringe of the global economy. In this blockbuster exposé, Schweizer merely presents the troubling facts he’s uncovered. Meticulously researched and scrupulously sourced, filled with headline-making revelations, Clinton Cash raises serious questions of judgment, of possible indebtedness to an array of foreign interests, and ultimately, of fitness for high public office.

Hardcover: 256 pages
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Language: English
ISBN-10: 0062369288
ISBN-13: 978-0062369284
Product Dimensions: 6 x 0.9 x 9 inches

nolu chan  posted on  2015-04-20   22:03:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: nolu chan (#161)

Your urban legend chain email has been debunked for about 10 years.

Ahhh,the Bubbette! Clinton ,"That's old news,let's move on!" ploy.

You are nothing but a professional liar and propagandist for the Dim Party. Probably just one of a large opposition research team that tries to bombard critics into silence by posting books in response to anything negative about the despicable criminals you work for and want to be like when you grow up. A juvenile David Axelrod wannabe. You aspire to be pond scum.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-21   1:37:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: sneakypete (#162)

[sneakypete #162] You are nothing but a professional liar and propagandist for the Dim Party.

You have been reduced to an embarrassing warm puddle of piss, unable to even attempt to defend the recycled ten year old bullshit chain email urban legends you have been puking up.

[sneakypete #150] FACT, he was adopted by his ho mothers Indonesian father

His mother's father was from Kansas, Toto.

[sneakypete #152] He didn't "lose his citizenship",shithead. His mother gave it up for him.…

His mother gave up his citizenship for him... only a shithead would make that claim.

F. RENUNCIATION FOR MINOR CHILDREN/INCOMPETENTS

Citizenship is a status that is personal to the U.S. citizen. Therefore parents may not renounce the citizenship of their minor children. Similarly, parents/legal guardians may not renounce the citizenship of individuals who are mentally incompetent. Minors seeking to renounce their U.S. citizenship must demonstrate to a consular officer that they are acting voluntarily and that they fully understand the implications/consequences attendant to the renunciation of U.S. citizenship.

What the above is excerpted from:

http://travel.state.gov/content/travel/english/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/renunciation-of-citizenship.html

Renunciation of U.S. Nationality

A. THE IMMIGRATION & NATIONALITY ACT

Section 349(a)(5) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) (8 U.S.C. 1481(a)(5)) is the section of law governing the right of a United States citizen to renounce his or her U.S. citizenship. That section of law provides for the loss of nationality by voluntarily

"(5) making a formal renunciation of nationality before a diplomatic or consular officer of the United States in a foreign state, in such form as may be prescribed by the Secretary of State" (emphasis added).

B. ELEMENTS OF RENUNCIATION

A person wishing to renounce his or her U.S. citizenship must voluntarily and with intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship:

  • appear in person before a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer, in
  • a foreign country (normally at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate);
  • and sign an oath of renunciation

Renunciations that do not meet the conditions described above have no legal effect. Because of the provisions of Section 349(a)(5), U.S. citizens cannot effectively renounce their citizenship by mail, through an agent, or while in the United States. In fact, U.S. courts have held certain attempts to renounce U.S. citizenship to be ineffective on a variety of grounds, as discussed below.

C. REQUIREMENT - RENOUNCE ALL RIGHTS AND PRIVILEGES

a person seeking to renounce U.S. citizenship must renounce all the rights and privileges associated with such citizenships. In the case of Colon v. U.S. Department of State , 2 F.Supp.2d 43 (1998),the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia rejected Colon’s petition for a writ of mandamus directing the Secretary of State to approve a Certificate of Loss of Nationality in the case because he wanted to retain the right to live in the United States while claiming he was not a U.S. citizen.

D. DUAL NATIONALITY / STATELESSNESS

Persons intending to renounce U.S. citizenship should be aware that, unless they already possess a foreign nationality, they may be rendered stateless and, thus, lack the protection of any government. They may also have difficulty traveling as they may not be entitled to a passport from any country. Even if not stateless, former U.S. citizens would still be required to obtain a visa to travel to the United States, or show that they are eligible for admission pursuant to the terms of the Visa Waiver Pilot Program (VWPP). Renunciation of U.S. citizenship may not prevent a foreign country from deporting that individual to the United States in some non-citizen status.

E. TAX & MILITARY OBLIGATIONS /NO ESCAPE FROM PROSECUTION

Persons who wish to renounce U.S. citizenship should be aware of the fact that renunciation of U.S. citizenship may have no effect whatsoever on his or her U.S. tax or military service obligations (contact the Internal Revenue Service or U.S. Selective Service for more information). In addition, the act of renouncing U.S. citizenship does not allow persons to avoid possible prosecution for crimes which they may have committed in the United States, or escape the repayment of financial obligations previously incurred in the United States or incurred as United States citizens abroad.

F. RENUNCIATION FOR MINOR CHILDREN/INCOMPETENTS

Citizenship is a status that is personal to the U.S. citizen. Therefore parents may not renounce the citizenship of their minor children. Similarly, parents/legal guardians may not renounce the citizenship of individuals who are mentally incompetent. Minors seeking to renounce their U.S. citizenship must demonstrate to a consular officer that they are acting voluntarily and that they fully understand the implications/consequences attendant to the renunciation of U.S. citizenship.

G. IRREVOCABILITY OF RENUNCIATION

Finally, those contemplating a renunciation of U.S. citizenship should understand that the act is irrevocable, except as provided in section 351 of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1483), and cannot be canceled or set aside absent successful administrative or judicial appeal. (Section 351(b) of the INA provides that an applicant who renounced his or her U.S. citizenship before the age of eighteen can have that citizenship reinstated if he or she makes that desire known to the Department of State within six months after attaining the age of eighteen. See also Title 22, Code of Federal Regulations, section 50.20).

Renunciation is the most unequivocal way in which a person can manifest an intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship. Please consider the effects of renouncing U.S. citizenship, described above, before taking this serious and irrevocable action. If you have any further questions regarding this matter, please contact:

Regular Mail
U.S. Department of State
CA/OCS/L
SA-17, 10th Floor
Washington, D.C. 20522-1710

nolu chan  posted on  2015-04-21   15:11:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: nolu chan (#163)

[sneakypete #150] FACT, he was adopted by his ho mothers Indonesian father

His mother's father was from Kansas, Toto.

That was a mistake. I obviously meant his ho mother's Indonesian husband.

You knew that,but just wanted to be the pissy little punk your mother raised you to be.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-22   7:52:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: sneakypete (#164)

[sneakypete #150] FACT, he was adopted by his ho mothers Indonesian father

[nolu chan #163] His mother's father was from Kansas, Toto.

[sneakypete #164] That was a mistake. I obviously meant his ho mother's Indonesian husband.

All you have claimed has been a mistake. Your absurd claims that Obama was adopted in Indonesia and became an Indonesian citizen as a result were mistakes. Your claim that Obama's mother gave up his citizenship for him was a mistake.

The United States does not permit what you claim to have happened.

http://travel.state.gov/content/travel/english/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/renunciation-of-citizenship.html

F. RENUNCIATION FOR MINOR CHILDREN/INCOMPETENTS

Citizenship is a status that is personal to the U.S. citizen. Therefore parents may not renounce the citizenship of their minor children. Similarly, parents/legal guardians may not renounce the citizenship of individuals who are mentally incompetent. Minors seeking to renounce their U.S. citizenship must demonstrate to a consular officer that they are acting voluntarily and that they fully understand the implications/consequences attendant to the renunciation of U.S. citizenship.

Then again, Indonesia did not permit what you claim to have happened. sneakypete's imaginary law only applies in sneakypete's imaginary world.

[sneakypete #150] FACT, he was adopted by his ho mothers Indonesian father,and had his name legally changed to Barry Soetoro.

FACT, Indonesian law did not provide for sneakypete bullshit.

Not only was Obama not adopted, Indonesian law clearly shows that he would not have gained Indonesian citizenship by the imaginary adoption, had it occurred.

Law No. 62 of 1958, Law on the Citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia

Article 2.

(1) A foreign child of less than 5 years age who is adopted by a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, if such an adoption is declared legal by the Pengadilan Negeri at the residence of the person adopting the child.

(2) Said declaration of legality by the Pengadilan Negeri shall be requested by the person adopting the child within 1 year after such an adoption or within 1 year after enforcement of this law.

As Obama was over 5 years old when he went to Indonesia, his imaginary adoption could not have legally conferred imaginary Indonesian citizenship.

As Indonesia rejects dual citizenship, and renunciation of Obama's U.S. citizenship was impossible, obtainment of Indonesian citizenship was legally impossible.

The complete law from which the above is extracted:

http://www.refworld.org/docid/3ae6b4ec8.html

Law No. 62 of 1958, Law on the Citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia

Publisher: National Legislative Bodies / National Authorities

Author: Republic of Indonesia

Publication Date: 1 August 1958

Reference: IDN-110

Cite as: Law No. 62 of 1958, Law on the Citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia [Indonesia], 1 August 1958, available at:

http://www.refworld.org/docid/3ae6b4ec8.html

Comments: This is an unofficial translation. The Law was signed by the President on 29 July 1958, promulgated on 1 August 1958, and published in the Government Gazette No. 113 of 1958.

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Date of entry into force: 1 August 1958

THE PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF INDONESIA,

Considering: that it is necessary to have a law on the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia;

With a view to:

a. articles 5 and 144 of the Provisional Constitution of the Republic of Indonesia;

b. article 89 of the Provisional Constitution of the Republic of Indonesia;

With the approval of Parliament;

Has decided:

To cite:

The Law on the Citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia.

Article 1. Citizens of the Republic of Indonesia are:

a. persons who, based on the legislation and/or treaties and/or regulations prevailing since the August 17, 1945 Proclamation, are already citizens of the Republic of Indonesia;

b. persons who at their birth have a legal family relationship with their father, a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia, with the understanding that said citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia starts as from the existence of that legal family relationship and that said legal family relationship is created before the persons concerned have reached the age of 18 or before they are married at an earlier age;

c. a child born within 300 days after the decease of its father, if said father is a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia at the time of his death;

d. persons whose mother is a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia at their birth, if at that time they have no legal family relationship with their father;

e. persons whose mother is a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia at their birth, if their father has no nationality, or as long as the nationality of the father is unknown;

f. those born within the territory of the Republic of Indonesia as long as both parents are unknown;

g. a child found within the territory of the Republic of Indonesia as long as both parents are unknown;

h. persons who are born within the territory of the Republic of Indonesia, if both parents have no nationality or as long as the nationality of both parents is unknown;

i. persons born within the territory of the Republic of Indonesia who have not acquired the nationality of the father or mother at the time of their birth and as long as they do not acquire the nationality of either their father or mother;

j. persons who have acquired the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia according to the regulations of this law.

Article 2.

(1) A foreign child of less than 5 years age who is adopted by a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, if such an adoption is declared legal by the Pengadilan Negeri at the residence of the person adopting the child.

(2) Said declaration of legality by the Pengadilan Negeri shall be requested by the person adopting the child within 1 year after such an adoption or within 1 year after enforcement of this law.

Article 3.

(1) A child outside a marriage of a mother who is a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia or a child out of a legal marriage, but who has in a case of divorce been assigned to the care of its mother, a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia, who follows the nationality of the father, a foreigner, may present a petition to the Minister of Justice in order to acquire the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, if, after, having acquired the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, it possesses no other nationality or states at the same time to have released another nationality according to the procedure stipulated by the legal provisions of the country of origin and/or according to the procedure stipulated by the agreement on the settlement of the bi-nationality between the Republic of Indonesia and the country in question.

(2) The above mentioned petition shall be presented within 1 year after the person concerned has reached the age of 18 to the Minister of Justice through the Pengadilan Negeri or Representation of the Republic of Indonesia at the residence of the person.

(3) The Minister of Justice fulfills or rejects the petition with the approval of the Cabinet Council.

(4) The citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia which has been acquired on such a petition is valid as of the date of the decree of the Minister of Justice.

Article 4.

(1) Aliens born and domiciled in the territory of the Republic of Indonesia whose father or mother, in case they have no legal family relationship with the father, is also born in the territory of the Republic in Indonesia and is a resident of the Republic of Indonesia, may present a petition to the Minister of Justice in order to acquire the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia if they, after having acquired the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, have no other nationality or at the time that they present a petition they also make a statement as to having released another nationality which they may possibly possess, in accordance with the legal provisions prevailing in the country of their origin or according to the provisions of the Agreement on the settlement of the bi-nationality between the Republic of Indonesia and the country in question.

(2) The above mentioned petition shall be presented, within 1 year after the persons concerned have reached the age of 18, to the Minister of Justice through the Pengadilan Negeri at their residence.

(3) The Minister of Justice fulfils or rejects the petition with the approval of the Cabinet Council.

(4) The citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia acquired on such a petition is valid as of the date of the decree of the Minister of Justice.

Article 5.

(1) The citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia because of naturalization is acquired with the validity of the decree of the Minister of Justice who grants this naturalization.

(2) In order to present a petition for naturalization, the petitioner shall:

a. have reached the age of 21;

b. be born within the territory of the Republic of Indonesia or at the time of presenting the petition be domiciled in said region for at least the last 5 consecutive years or in total 10 inconsecutive years;

c. if the person is a married man obtain the approval of his wife (wives);

d. master the Indonesian language properly and have appropriate knowledge of the history of Indonesia and have never been penalize because of having committed an offence which harms the Republic of Indonesia;

e. be in a spiritual and physical healthy condition;

f. pay to the State's Treasury an amount between Rp.500,-to Rp.10.000,- of which the amount is fixed by the Tax office at the residence of the petitioner, based on the evident petitioner's monthly earnings, with the stipulation that it may not exceed the evident earnings for one month;

g. have a fixed income;

h. have no nationality, or have lost his nationality if the petitioner acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia or states at the time to have released another nationality according to the legal provisions of the country of origin or according to the legal provisions of the Agreement on the settlement of the bi-nationality between the Republic of Indonesia and the country concerned.

A woman may not apply for naturalization during matrimony.

(3) Petitions for naturalization shall be forwarded in writing and provide with a stamp to the Minister of Justice through the Pengadilan Negeri as the residence of the petitioner;

The petition shall be written in the Indonesian language and together with this petition shall be forwarded evidence on matters mentioned in para 2 except for what is stated under letter d.

The Pengadilan Negeri or Representation of the Republic of Indonesia investigates the evidence as to its correctness and examines the petitioners as to their capability of mastering the Indonesian language and their knowledge of the history of Indonesia.

(4) The Minister of Justice fulfills or rejects application for citizenship with the approval of the Cabinet Council.

(5) The decree of the Minister of Justice which grants naturalization is valid as of the date that the petitioner takes an oath or swear allegiance before the Pengadilan Negeri or Representation of the Republic of Indonesia at the residence of the petitioner and is valid retroactively the date of said decree of the Minister of Justice.

The oath or allegiance swearing is as follows:

"I swear (promise): "that I release entirely all loyalty "to foreign authority; "that I recognize and accept the highest authority "of and shall be loyal to "the Republic of Indonesia; "that I shall uphold the Constitution and other laws of "the Republic of Indonesia and "shall defend them faithfully; "that I bear this duty out of my own free will "and shall not diminish whatsoever".

(6) After the petitioner has taken an oath or sworn allegiance as mentioned above, the Minister of Justice publishes such naturalization by inserting his decree in the State's Paper.

(7) If the oath is not taken or allegiance not sworn within three months after the date of the decree of the Minister of Justice, said decree will automatically become null and void.

(8) The amount of money mentioned in para 2 is refunded, if the naturalization is not fulfilled.

(9) If the petition for naturalization is rejected, the petitioner may send in a repeat petition.

Article 6.

Naturalization may also be granted for the interest of the State or because of services rendered to the State, by the Government with the approval of Parliament.

In this case from the provisions of article 5 only those in para 1, para 5, para 6 and para 7 are applicable.

Article 7.

(1) A foreign woman married to a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia, acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, if and when she makes a statement as to that effect within 1 year after contracting said marriage, except in case when she acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia she possesses still another nationality, in which case the statement may not be made.

(2) With the exception as mentioned in para 1 the foreign woman who marries a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia also acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia one year after the marriage has been contracted, if within that one year her husband does not make a statement as to release his citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia.

Said statement may only be made and only results in the loss of the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia if by such a loss the husband does not become stateless.

(3) If one of the statements mentioned in para 1 and 2 have been made, the alternative statement may not be made.

(4) The statements mentioned above shall be made to the Pengadilan Negeri or the Representation of the Republic of Indonesia at the residence of the person making such a statement.

Article 8.

(1) A woman, a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia, married to a foreigner loses her citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, if and when she makes a statement as to that effect within one year after her marriage has been contracted except if, with the loss of the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, she becomes stateless.

(2) The statement mentioned in para 1 shall be made to the Pengadilan Negeri or the Representation of the Republic of Indonesia at the residence of the person making such statement.

Article 9.

(1) The citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia acquired by a husband is automatically valid for his wife, except if, after the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia has been acquired, the wife possesses still another nationality.

(2) The loss of the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia by a husband affects automatically his wife, except if the wife will become stateless.

Article 10.

(1) A woman is during matrimony not permitted to present a petition as meant in article 3 and article 4.

(2) The loss of the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia by a wife affects automatically her husband, except if the husband will become stateless.

Article 11.

(1) A person who because or as a result of marriage looses the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, regains said citizenship if and when after the marriage has been dissolved the person makes a statement as to that effect. Such statement shall be made within 1 year after the marriage has been dissolved to the Pengadilan Negeri or Representation of the Republic of Indonesia at the residence of the person.

(2) The provision of para 1 does not apply in case the person, after having regained the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, still possesses another nationality.

Article 12.

(1) A woman who because of or as a result of her marriage acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, loses said citizenship again, if and when after her marriage has been dissolved she makes a statement as to that effect. Said statement shall be made within 1 year after the marriage has been dissolved to the Pengadilan Negeri or the Representation of the Republic of Indonesia at her residence.

(2) The stipulation in para 1 is not applicable if said person becomes stateless with the loss of the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia.

Article 13.

(1) Children who have not reached the age of 18 and are not married yet, who have a legal family relationship with their father before said father has acquired the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, also acquire the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, after they reside and are in Indonesia. The statement as to their residence and being in Indonesia is not valid for children who because their father acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia becomes stateless.

(2) The citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia acquired by a mother also applies to her children who have no legal family relationship with the father, who have not reached the age of 18 and are not married yet after they have resided and are in Indonesia. If said citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia is acquired with the naturalization by a mother who has become a widow because of the decease of her husband, the children who have a legal family relationship with said husband, who have not reached the age of 18 and are not married yet also acquire the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia after they reside and are in Indonesia. Statements as to their residence and being in Indonesia are not valid for children who because their mother has acquired the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia become stateless.

Article 14.

(1) If the children as mentioned in article 2 and article 13 reach the age of 21, they loose the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia again, if and when they make a statement as to that effect. Said statement shall be made within 1 year after the children have reached the age of 21 to the Pengadilan Negeri of Representation of the Republic of Indonesia at their residence.

(2) The provision of para 1 is not applicable if said children become stateless with the loss of the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia.

Article 15.

(1) The loss of the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia by a father also affects his children who have a legal family relationship with said father, who have not reached the age of 18 and are not married yet, except if, with their loss of the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, these children become stateless.

(2) The loss of the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia by a mother also affects her children who have no legal family relationship with their father, except if with the loss of the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia these children become stateless.

(3) If this mother looses the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia because of naturalization abroad and said mother has become a widow because of the decease of her husband, the provisions of para 2 also apply to her children who have a legal family relationship with her husband after these children reside and are abroad.

Article 16.

(1) A child who loses its citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia because its father or its mother loses said citizenship, regains the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia after the child has reached the age of 18, if and when it makes a statement as to that effect.

Said statement shall be made within one year after the child has reached the age of 18 to the Pengadilan Negeri or Representation of the Republic of Indonesia at the residence of the child.

(2) The provisions of para 1 is not applicable in case said child, after having acquired the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia still possesses another nationality.

Article 17.

The citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia is lost because of:

a. acquiring another nationality out of one's own free will, with the understanding that if the person concerned is, at the time that said other nationality is acquired, in the territory of the Republic of Indonesia, the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia is only considered lost if the Minister of Justice declares it lost with the approval of the Cabinet Council on its own initiative or on the request of the person concerned;

b. not having rejected or having released another nationality whilst the person concerned has had the opportunity as to that effect;

c. being recognized by an alien as his/her child if the person concerned has not reached the age of 18 and is not married yet and does not become stateless with the loss of the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia;

d. being legally adopted by an alien as his/her child if the child concerned has not reached the age of 5 yet and it does not become stateless at the loss of the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia;

e. being declared as lost by the Minister of Justice with the approval of the Cabinet Council on the request of the person concerned if the person has reached the age of 21, is domiciled abroad and does not become stateless at the declaration of the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia as being lost;

f. entering a foreign military service without prior permission from the Minister of Justice;

g. without prior permission from the Minister of Justice, entering a foreign state's service or the services of an organization of nations not entered by the Republic of Indonesia as member, if the position held in the state's service may, according to the regulations of the Republic of Indonesia, only be held by a citizen or the position in said nation organization service requires on oath or official promise;

h. taking the oath or making the promise of loyalty to a foreign country or a part thereof;

i. without being obliged, participating in a vote for one and another of constitutional nature for a foreign country;

j. having a passport or certificate which has the character of a passport from a foreign country in one's name which is still valid;

k. other than for state's service, domiciling abroad during 5 consecutive years by not declaring one's wish as to continue being a citizen before the period has lapsed and thereafter every two years; such a wish shall be declared to the Representation of the Republic of Indonesia at one's residence.

For citizens of the Republic of Indonesia who have not reached the age of 18 yet, except if they are married, the five and two years' period mentioned above is applicable as of the date that he reaches the age of 18.

Article 18.

A person who loses the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia as mentioned in article 17 letter k. regains the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia if the person is domiciled in Indonesia based on an Entry Permit and makes a statement as to that effect. Such a statement shall be made to the Pengadilan Negeri at the residence of the person within 1 year after the person is domiciled in Indonesia.

Article 19.

The citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia granted or acquired on incorrect information may be withdrawn by the office which has granted it or the office which has received the information.

Article 20.

Whoever is no citizen of the Republic of Indonesia is an alien.

Transitional regulations

Article I.

A woman who, based on article 3 of the Regulation of the Military Administrator No. Prt/P.M./09/1957 and article 3 of the Regulation of the Central War Administrator No.Prt/Peperpu/014/1958 has been treated as a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia, becomes a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia if she has no other nationality.

Article II.

A person who at the moment of enforcement of this law is in the position as stated in article 7 or 8 may make the statement as mentioned in said article within 1 year after enforcement of this law, with the understanding that the husband of a woman who becomes a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia as mentioned in article I of the transitional regulation may no longer make the statement mentioned in article 7 para 2.

Article III.

A woman, who according to the legislation in force before this law is enforced would automatically be a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia were she not married, acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia if and when she makes a statement as to that effect within 1 year after her marriage has been dissolved or within 1 year after enforcement of this law to the Pengadilan Negeri or to the Representation of the Republic of Indonesia at her residence.

Article IV.

A person, who does not acquire the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia along with the father or mother by making a statement according to the prevailing legislation before this law is enforced, because the person is of age at the time that the father or mother makes said statement, whilst the person himself/herself may not make the statement as to opt the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, is a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia, if the person, with this provision or heretofore, has no other nationality. The citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia acquired by said person is valid retroactively the date that the father/mother acquires said citizenship.

Article V.

In deviation from the provisions of article 4 para 1 and 2, children whose citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia has been rejected by their parents between December 27, 1949 till December 27,1951, may within one year after enforcement of this Law, present a petition to the Minister of Justice through the Pengadilan Negeri at their residence in order to acquire the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia if they are under the age of 28, article 4 para 3 and 4 are further applicable.

Article VI.

An alien who before enforcement of this Law, has ever entered the armed forces of the Republic of Indonesia and meets with the conditions which will be stipulated by the Minister of Defence, acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia if the person makes a statement as to that effect to the Minister of Defence or official designated by the latter.

The citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia acquired by the person mentioned above is valid retroactively the date that said person entered the armed forces.

Article VII.

A person, who before enforcement of this Law has been in a foreign military service as mentioned in article 17 letter f. or in service of a nations organization as mentioned in article 17 letter g. may apply for a permit to the Minister of Justice within 1 year after this law comes into force.

Concluding regulations.

Article I.

A citizen of the Republic of Indonesia who is within the territory of the Republic of Indonesia is considered to possess no other nationality.

Article II.

By the understanding citizenship is included all kinds of protection by a state.

Article III.

In executing of this Law. Children who have not reached the age of 18 and are not married yet are considered to be domiciled with their father or their mother according to the specification in article 1 letter, b, c or d.

Article IV.

Whoever must prove that he/she is a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia and has no documents which indicate that he/she possesses or acquires or possesses or acquires along with the father/mother said citizenship, may request the Pengadilan Negeri at his/her residence to confirm whether or not he/she is a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia according to the usual tribunal procedure. This provision does not diminish the special provisions of or based on other laws.

Article V.

From statements made which cause the acquisition or loss of the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia a copy is forwarded to the Minister of Justice by the official in question.

Article VI.

The Minister of Justice publishes in the State's Paper names of persons who have acquired or lost the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia.

Article VII.

One and another needed for the execution of the provision of this Law is regulated by Government regulations.

Article VIII.

This Law comes into force on the date of promulgation with the stipulation that the regulations in article 1 letter b to letter j, article 2, article 17 letter a, c and h are valid retroactively December 27, 1949.

In order that everybody may know, the order is given to promulgate this law by insertion in the Government Gazette.

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