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Title: Reporter Who Exposed Hillary’s Secret Intel Operation: Who Authorized & Financed It?
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URL Source: http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern ... on-who-authorized-financed-it/
Published: Mar 29, 2015
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2015-03-29 23:27:47 by out damned spot
Keywords: Intel, operation, Hillary
Views: 99243
Comments: 168

One of the reporters who exposed what appears to have been former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s clandestine and rogue intelligence service said that there are more questions than answers regarding the operation, which was exposed in the hacked emails of Clinton’s longtime confidante Sidney Blumenthal.

Appearing on Breitbart News Sunday on Sirius XM Patriot channel 125, Jeff Gerth, a two-time Pulitzer Prize winner, told host and Breitbart News Executive Chairman Stephen K. Bannon that he still wanted to know “who authorized or tasked this network to do what they did” and “who was paying for this?”

Gerth, the former New York Times reporter who now works for ProPublica, co- authored the report on Clinton’s rogue intelligence operation with Gawker’s Sam Biddle. He said the intelligence operation revealed in the Blumenthal emails reminds him of the Ed Wilson scandal in Libya and the Iran-Contra scandal. He noted that in both cases people were sent to jail or convicted of various crimes.

“You don’t just pick this stuff up from the Internet,” he said, noting “there were human intelligence sources inside of Libya that were gathering this information” and relaying it to Blumenthal, who then forwarded the accounts to Clinton’s private email account.

Gerth emphasized that the Blumenthal emails are “just a minor tiny percentage of what was going on here.” He said “we got a few pieces but don’t have anywhere near the full puzzle” because journalists have to work “with what the hacker chose to download” and take screenshots of two years ago.

According to the Gawker/ProPublica report, “starting weeks before Islamic militants attacked the U.S. diplomatic outpost in Benghazi, Libya, longtime Clinton family confidante Sidney Blumenthal supplied intelligence to then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton gathered by a secret network that included a former CIA clandestine service officer.” Blumenthal’s emails “include at least a dozen detailed reports on events on the deteriorating political and security climate in Libya as well as events in other nations” and they came to light when a Hacker called Guccifer posted them in 2013.

On August 23, 2012, less than three weeks before the Benghazi attacks that killed four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens, an email, according to the report, cites “‘an extremely sensitive source’ who highlighted a string of bombings and kidnappings of foreign diplomats and aid workers in Tripoli, Benghazi and Misrata, suggesting they were the work of people loyal to late Libyan Prime Minister Muammar Gaddafi.”

As the report points out, Hillary Clinton claimed “that U.S. intelligence officials didn’t have advance knowledge” of security threats in Benghazi, but Blumenthal’s email “portrays a deteriorating security climate” even if the memo, according to Gawker, “doesn’t rise to the level of a warning about the safety of U.S. diplomats.” On the day after the Benghazi attacks, Blumenthal reportedly sent an email sent an email saying a “sensitive source” said that interim Libyan president Mohammed Yussef el Magariaf “was told by a senior security officer” that the Benghazi attacks were “inspired by an anti-Muslim video made in the U.S,” which was the Obama administration’s preferred spin.

The next day, though, Blumenthal reportedly sent an email that “said Libyan security officials believed an Islamist radical group called the Ansa al Sharia brigade had prepared the attack a month in advance and ‘took advantage of the cover’ provided by the demonstrations against the video.” Another email in October of 2012 notes “that Magariaf and the Libyan army chief of staff agree that the ‘situation in the country is becoming increasingly dangerous and unmanageable’ and ‘far worse’ than Western leaders realize.”

The report notes that though the intelligence notes were sent under Blumenthal’s name, they “appear to have been gathered and prepared by Tyler Drumheller, a former chief of the CIA’s clandestine service in Europe who left the agency in 2005.” He has since reportedly established a consulting firm– Tyler Drumheller, LLC. The emails also show that “Cody Shearer, a longtime Clinton family operative,” was also in “close contact with Blumenthal.”

Blumenthal’s hacked emails also show that “he and his associates worked to help the Libyan opposition, and even plotted to insert operatives on the ground using a private contractor.” The emails reveal that Blumenthal and Shearer were negotiating with former Army General David Grange “to place send four operatives on a week-long mission to Tunis, Tunisia, and ‘to the border and back.'” Grange, “a major general in the Army who ran a secret Pentagon special operations unit before retiring in 1999,” according to the report, “subsequently founded Osprey Global Solutions, a consulting firm and government contractor that offers logistics, intelligence, security training, armament sales, and other services.”

The Libyan National Transition Council and Grange’s Osprey Global Solutions, according to documents, agreed that Osprey would “‘assist in the resumption of access to its assets and operations in country’ and train Libyan forces in intelligence, weaponry, and ‘rule-of-land warfare.'” Another email reportedly shows that Drumheller appealed to “then-Libyan Prime Minister Ali Zeidan offering the services of Tyler Drumheller LLC, ‘to develop a program that will provide discreet confidential information allowing the appropriate entities in Libya to address any regional and international challenges.'”

In addition to intelligence information from Libya, the Blumenthal memos, according to the report, “cover a wide array of subjects in extreme detail, from German Prime Minister Angela Merkel’s conversations with her finance minister about French president Francois Hollande–marked ‘THIS INFORMATION COMES FROM AN EXTREMELY SENSITIVE SOURCE’—to the composition of the newly elected South Korean president’s transition team.”

A Clinton spokesman reportedly told the outlets that the Blumenthal emails were part of the nearly 33,000 pages of emails that Clinton turned over to the State Department.

As the report notes, “Blumenthal, a New Yorker staff writer in the 1990s, became a top aide to President Bill Clinton and worked closely with Hillary Clinton during the fallout from the Whitewater investigation into the Clinton family.” Hillary Clinton even reportedly “tried to hire him when she joined President Obama’s cabinet in 2009, but White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel reportedly nixed the idea” because of Blumenthal’s attacks on Obama during the 2008 Democratic primary. On Breitbart News Sunday, Gerth also reminded listeners how close Blumenthal is to the Clintons–he was the last person, for instance, Hillary Clinton spoke to before she went on the Today show during the Monica Lewinsky affair to allege a “vast right-wing conspiracy” against the Clintons.

The emails raise more questions about whether all of the more than 30,000 emails that Clinton deemed to be “personal” were really not “work-related.” Clinton refused to turn her email server over to a third party and Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC), who chairs the House Select Benghazi Committee, revealed on Friday that Clinton had wiped her email server “clean.” Gowdy, citing “huge gaps” in the emails that his committee has received, has indicated that there may be many relevant emails regarding Libya that Clinton may not have turned over, which is why he has indicated that the House may take legal action to get access to Clinton’s email server.

“There are gaps of months and months and months. And if you think to that iconic picture of her on a C-17 flying to Libya, she has sunglasses on and she has her handheld device in her hand, we have no e-mails from that day. In fact, we have no e-mails from that trip, Gowdy said on a recent appearance on CBS’s Face the Nation. “So, it’s strange credibility to believe that if you’re on your way to Libya to discuss Libyan policy that there’s not a single document that has been turned over to Congress. So, there are huge gaps. And with respect to the president, it’s not up to Secretary Clinton to decide what is a public record and what’s not.”

Gerth pointed out that “these things these usually have layers to them” and there is a lot more that needs to be unearthed.

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#1. To: out damned spot, TooConservative, tomder55 (#0)

The stinking plot thickens.

These Xlintons learned much from Nixon.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-30   0:17:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: redleghunter (#1)

These Xlintons learned much from Nixon.

You can't be ignorant enough to be serious!

I am no fan of Richard "Wage and Price Controls,and lets open relations with China while we are at it!" Nixon,but ALL he was guilty of was participating in the coverup. He had no part in the actual crime.

On the other hand,BOTH Clintons have been involved in treason since their college days. Hillary was even caught manufacturing evidence against Nixon when she worked for the Watergate committee,and hiding evidence favorable to him and was fired for it by Archibald Cox with the recommendation that "she never be hired or appointed to any position of trust with the government in the future."

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-30   6:42:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: sneakypete, redleghunter (#4)

Hillary was even caught manufacturing evidence against Nixon when she worked for the Watergate committeeand hiding evidence favorable to him and was fired for it by Archibald Cox with the recommendation that "she never be hired or appointed to any position of trust with the government in the future."

Urban myth.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/zeifman.asp

FALSE

Is this true or false?

As a 27 year old staff attorney for the House Judiciary Committee during the Watergate investigation, Hillary Rodham was fired by her supervisor, lifelong Democrat Jerry Zeifman. When asked why Hillary Rodham was fired, Zeifman said in an interview, "Because she was a liar. She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer, she conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the Committee, and the rules of confidentiality.""

Origins: Former First Lady Hillary Clinton is no stranger to political scandal and controversy, and a specific accusation concerning her work as a young lawyer on the Watergate investigation has dogged her political career for more than a decade. The claim originated with Jerry Zeifman, under whom Clinton worked in 1974 as a member of the impeachment inquiry staff for the House Committee on the Judiciary during the course of the scandal.

The notion Hillary Clinton was fired by Jerry Zeifman for "lying" and "unethical behavior" has circulated across social media and in e-mails for years. The belief that Clinton's early career was marked by this buried scandal is widespread, but is there any merit to the claim?

By Zeifman's own admission there is not. Statements made by Zeifman himself contradict the claim he fired Hillary Clinton. During a 1998 interview with the Sacramento Bee in which he discussed his work with Clinton on Watergate, Zeifman not only stated he hadn't fired her, but he didn't even have the authority to fire her:

If I had the power to fire her, I would have fired her.

Ten years later, Zeifman's story had shifted. When asked by radio host Neal Boortz in April 2008 if he had fired Hillary Clinton from the Watergate investigation, Zeifman hedged by stating Clinton had been let go, but only as part of a layoff of multiple personnel who were no longer needed:

Well, let me put it this way. I terminated her, along with some other staff members who were — we no longer needed, and advised her that I would not — could not recommend her for any further positions.
Following Zeifman's 2008 interview with Boortz, a column by Dan Calabrese ("FLASHBACK: HILLARY CLINTON FIRED FROM WATERGATE INVESTIGATION FOR 'LYING, UNETHICAL BEHAVIOR'") cemented the belief that Hillary Clinton had been "fired" from the Watergate investigation in political lore:

Jerry Zeifman, a lifelong Democrat, supervised the work of 27-year-old Hillary Rodham on the committee. Hillary got a job working on the investigation at the behest of her former law professor, Burke Marshall, who was also Sen. Ted Kennedy’s chief counsel in the Chappaquiddick affair. When the investigation was over, Zeifman fired Hillary from the committee staff and refused to give her a letter of recommendation — one of only three people who earned that dubious distinction in Zeifman's 17-year career.

However, one need only go back to the source of the rumor and Zeifman's own statement that he did not have the power to fire Hillary Clinton to discount that now common version of political lore: the evidence indicates that, whatever Zeifman may have thought of Clinton's behavior, she was let go from the Watergate committee because she was one of a number of people who were no longer needed as the investigation wound down (and Nixon's resignation made the issue moot), not because she was "fired" over ethical issues.

Last updated: 21 October 2014

nolu chan  posted on  2015-03-30   17:04:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: nolu chan (#11)

Snopes? Couldn't find anything from Huffpo on this?

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-03-30   20:25:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Dead Culture Watch (#13)

Snopes? Couldn't find anything from Huffpo on this?

Provide a credible source to substantiate the claim that either Zeifman, Cox, or anyone else fired Hillary, as alleged.

You complain about Snopes as a source. There is not one credible source cited for this monumental event.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-04-01   1:05:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: nolu chan (#23) (Edited)

You complain about Snopes as a source.

I didn't think I was complaining at all. And Snopes is not exactly a serious source on many topics. How can it be, given the page-length they seem to impose?

She was terminated in a reduction-in-force without recommendation for rehire in government work, ending her career as a congressional lawyer wannabe.

It was one thing to let her go ASAP, much more serious that she didn't get a recommend for rehire. Around this time, she failed to pass the bar exam in D.C. and moved to Arkansas where she did pass the bar and ended up married to a philandering provincial governor.

Hillary got shuffled out the door. How furious she must have been.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-04-01   4:25:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: TooConservative (#24)

She was terminated in a reduction-in-force without recommendation for rehire in government work, ending her career as a congressional lawyer wannabe.

It was one thing to let her go ASAP, much more serious that she didn't get a recommend for rehire. Around this time, she failed to pass the bar exam in D.C. and moved to Arkansas where she did pass the bar and ended up married to a philandering provincial governor.

Hillary got shuffled out the door. How furious she must have been.

Fact check your nonsense before posting it.

In January 1974, Hillary Rodham began work for John Doar, special counsel to the House Judiciary Committee. Nixon resigned in August 1974. Hillary resigned shortly after in August and went to Arkansas to be with Bill and in still in August, became an Assistant Professor of Law at the University of Arkansas School of Law. After Nixon resigned, the impeachment jobs ended.

Hillary got her J.D. from Yale law in 1973. She was admitted to the Arkansas Bar on October 18, 1973. That is a year before your asinine idea that she practiced on the impeachment committee staff minus a license.

Before her 1974 stint in D.C., she had lived with Bill in California and New Haven, and after D.C. she went to Arkansas to live with Bill. They got married in their home in Arkansas.

Hillary joined the Rose Law Firm in Little Rock in 1976. Bill Clinton became Governor of Arkansas in 1977. Hillary became a partner at Rose Law in 1979.

There is plenty of serious issues to use for criticism of Hillary. Resort to ridiculous fairy tales that have been around for nearly twenty years is counter-productive.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-04-02   0:53:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: nolu chan (#28) (Edited)

Hillary got her J.D. from Yale law in 1973. She was admitted to the Arkansas Bar on October 18, 1973. That is a year before your asinine idea that she practiced on the impeachment committee staff minus a license.

So,you are now claiming a Arkansas law license was required to work on a feral impeachment committee in DC?

Gee,and here I was thinking you had to have a license to practice law wherever you were,like,practicing law.

Hillary joined the Rose Law Firm in Little Rock in 1976. Bill Clinton became Governor of Arkansas in 1977.

Kinda overlooking the fact that Bubba Bill was the Arkansas AG before he became the Governor,ain't ya?

sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-02   9:29:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: sneakypete (#31)

So, you are now claiming a Arkansas law license was required to work on a feral impeachment committee in DC?

Gee,and here I was thinking you had to have a license to practice law wherever you were, like, practicing law.

If that is what you think, you would do better not to think at all.

A licensed attorney of any state bar can practice for the federal government in D.C. without taking the D.C. bar exam. Hillary never passed the D.C. bar exam. Most attorneys in D.C. do not take the D.C. bar exam.

She had to be a licensed attorney to practice in D.C. starting in January 1974. She was. She was a member of the Arkansas State Bar.

Attorneys for the federal government require a J.D. and membership in good standing in any state bar. They do not need to be members of the bar where they are employed.

You do not have a clue what you are talking about.

Kinda overlooking the fact that Bubba Bill was the Arkansas AG before he became the Governor, ain't ya?

No. Hillary became an Arkansas lawyer in 1973, worked in D.C., returned to Arkansas and was a law professor in 1974, and joined Rose Law in 1976, all before Bill was elected as State AG. Kinda desperately grasping at straws, ain’t ya?

nolu chan  posted on  2015-04-02   18:15:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: nolu chan (#33)

No. Hillary became an Arkansas lawyer in 1973, worked in D.C., returned to Arkansas and was a law professor in 1974, and joined Rose Law in 1976, all before Bill was elected as State AG. Kinda desperately grasping at straws, ain’t ya?

No,that would be you doing that.

Bubba Bill had the skids greased for him from day one,thanks to the Soviet mole Senator William Fullbright and his influence.

The whole "law professor" thing is a popular scam by the DNC to park future candidates until they can find a spot for them where they will have influence.

Hell,Barry Obobmer was a law professor too,and he's dumber than dirt. Still smarter than Joe Biden and Goober Gore,but still dumber than dirt.

Bubbette! got the law professor job PURELY because of his connection to Bubba and because she couldn't do anything else other than be the "bag lady" for Bubba.

Now I guess you are going to tell us all it was her vast experience as a successful entrepreneur that got her the board seat at Wal-Mart?

sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-02   21:43:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: sneakypete (#36)

Bubba Bill had the skids greased for him from day one,thanks to the Soviet mole Senator William Fullbright and his influence.

Damn, you've got all the intel. I'll bet this will inspire a story arc on The Americans.

Bubbette! got the law professor job PURELY because of his connection to Bubba

That and a J.D. from Yale Law and being a member of the Arkansas State Bar since October 18, 1973. She got the prof job before she married Bill. Did everyone Bill bedded or astroturfed in the back of his truck get a gift of a law professorship or just the ones you found really good looking?

As for the reliable source of the bullshit story, Jerry Zeifman, he also wrote in 2008 that Eleanor Roosevelt came to him in a dream and endorsed Barack Obama.

http://www.aim.org/guest-column/eleanor-roosevelt-decries-congressional-black-caucus/

Eleanor Roosevelt Decries Congressional Black Caucus

Jerry Zeifman — February 20, 2008

Exclusive to Accuracy in Media

On January 22, 2008 I published an article describing a dream I had in which I “interviewed” Mrs. Roosevelt—who endorsed Barack Obama for the Democratic nomination for President.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-04-04   1:01:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: nolu chan (#40)

Did everyone Bill bedded or astroturfed in the back of his truck get a gift of a law professorship or just the ones you found really good looking?

You think Bubbette! is really good looking. That's proof right there that you are delusional.

Or maybe a homosexual that likes ugly butch men.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-04   2:25:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: sneakypete (#41)

[sneakypete #4] Hillary was even caught manufacturing evidence against Nixon when she worked for the Watergate committee, and hiding evidence favorable to him and was fired for it by Archibald Cox with the recommendation that "she never be hired or appointed to any position of trust with the government in the future."

[sneakypete #19] The way I remember it,it was Archibald Cox that fired her,

The whole "Zeifman thing" sounds like a disinformation strategy to me.

Your memory is for shit.

Hillary never worked for Archibald Cox. Archibald Cox was the Special Prosecutor. All sentient beings who were alive at the time time, and have not gone senile, can recall The Saturday Night Massacre of October 20, 1973. Archibald Cox was fired by order of the President. He did not work for the Congress where Hillary Rodham later worked. Only the Legislative branch fires legislative employees.

Archibald Cox was appointed by Attorney General Eliot Richardson. Cox was part of the Executive Branch. The AG and the Deputy AG refused to carry out Nixon's order and resigned. Robert Bork was sworn in as Acting AG and issued the letter to Cox effecting his firing. This is all before Hillary was ever hired.

You remember that Archibald Cox, who was fired as the Special Prosecutor withn the Executive Branch in the Saturday Night Massacre of October 20, 1973, fired Hillary Rodham from the Legislative Branch in August 1974 for various undocumented misdeeds. That is quite a creative memory.

You call Zeifman, the source of your allegations, disinformation and support the fantastic lunacy about Archibald Cox.

It sounds as if you are still angry as a jilted lover of Hillary. Little else explains your inane rant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre

The Saturday Night Massacre was the term given by political commentators to U.S. President Richard Nixon's executive dismissal of independent special prosecutor Archibald Cox, and the resignations of Attorney General Elliot Richardson and Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus on October 20, 1973 during the Watergate scandal.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-04-05   2:01:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: nolu chan (#45)

It sounds as if you are still angry as a jilted lover of Hillary.

Since I am neither blind nor a woman,how would such a thing even be possible?

sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-05   5:26:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: sneakypete (#46)

Since I am neither blind nor a woman,how would such a thing even be possible?

[sneakypete #4] Hillary was even caught manufacturing evidence against Nixon when she worked for the Watergate committee,and hiding evidence favorable to him and was fired for it by Archibald Cox with the recommendation that "she never be hired or appointed to any position of trust with the government in the future."

You have obviously become confused and disoriented and your memory is not to be trusted.

You recall impossible acts of Archibald Cox at a time he was not working for the government at all, and had previously served in an entirely different branch of government than where Hillary worked in 1974. In 1974, Cox was at the University of Cambridge as the Pitt Professor of American History and Institutions. Hillary was not fired from the University of Cambridge either.

The tapes were sought by the Senate Watergate Committee. Hillary worked for the House Judiciary Committee under John Doar.

You not only recall the negative recommendation given by Archibald Cox, you recall it in quotation marks.

So, what were you quoting?

Your obsession with Hillary appears to be that of a jilted lover with a confused and disoriented memory who wishes to disremember. Or perhaps you are still just crushing on her.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-04-05   18:24:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: nolu chan (#48)

So, what were you quoting?

I know this is a difficult concept for you to understand,but when someone says "the way I remember it" or anything remotely similar,they are quoting themselves.

Get somebody to explain that to you.

Since you are obscenely anal and will no doubt want a link,look for my original post on this thread about this. That will be your link,and since you obviously think links are gold-plated truths,there is the evidence for you.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-06   19:44:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: sneakypete (#53)

I know this is a difficult concept for you to understand,but when someone says "the way I remember it" or anything remotely similar,they are quoting themselves.

Good try. Here is your actual #4.

#4. To: redleghunter (#1)

These Xlintons learned much from Nixon.

You can't be ignorant enough to be serious!

I am no fan of Richard "Wage and Price Controls,and lets open relations with China while we are at it!" Nixon,but ALL he was guilty of was participating in the coverup. He had no part in the actual crime.

On the other hand,BOTH Clintons have been involved in treason since their college days. Hillary was even caught manufacturing evidence against Nixon when she worked for the Watergate committee,and hiding evidence favorable to him and was fired for it by Archibald Cox with the recommendation that "she never be hired or appointed to any position of trust with the government in the future."

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-30   6:42:40 ET

You were quoting yourself at #4? That’s desperate.

Do you always put your memories into quotes and attribute the direct quote to Archibald Cox?

Hillary was not caught manufacturing evidence, she did not hide evidence favorable to Nixon, she was not fired by anybody, Archibald Cox was never there, and Jerry Zeifman didn't have the authority had he wanted to fire Hillary. Doar was the boss lawyer, the heavy hitter brought in as Special Counsel. Zeifman was the hired help who was shunted aside when Doar and his staff showed up.

The Weekly Standard is a conservative publication. John Doar was a career Republican.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/meet-john-doar_819018.html

Meet John Doar

Nov 24, 2014
By THE SCRAPBOOK
The Weekly Standard Vol. 20, No. 11

The Scrapbook, ever mindful of the passage of time, couldn’t help but notice the obituary for John Doar in a recent edition of the Washington Post. Doar, who died last week at the age of 92, had been one of Bobby Kennedy’s associates at the Justice Department, serving for seven years in its civil rights division. Those were interesting times (1960-67) to be in the civil rights division, and the Post had much to say about Doar’s work in the long, sometimes violent, struggle to end racial segregation.

But in newspaper obituaries, as with many things in life, it is often what isn’t mentioned—as opposed to what is pounded relentlessly into the ground—that piques our curiosity. For the fact is that, if the common reader has any knowledge whatsoever of the late John Doar, it is probably not from his Justice Department days but from his year’s service as special counsel to the House Judiciary Committee (1973-74) during the Nixon impeachment inquiry. Alas, that dramatic episode rates only six brief sentences in an otherwise voluminous, six-column, full-page article, and includes this intriguing detail: “One of the lawyers working for him at the time was Hillary Rodham Clinton.”

Here The Scrapbook pauses for breath, imagining the editors at the Washington Post pondering that one. Presumably they were aware of the fact that an urban legend exists (not hard to find on the Internet) to the effect that young Hillary Rodham somehow ran afoul of another committee staffer and was “fired” for unspecified “unethical” behavior. There is no evidence that any of this is true; but it is interesting nonetheless that the first big, and manifestly delicate, political job held by the presumptive 2016 Democratic presidential nominee is—well, just kind of slipped in there without comment.

There may be a reason for this, having nothing whatsoever to do with Hillary Rodham’s 40-years-ago job performance. For John Doar’s appointment is a story in itself, to wit: Democratic dominance of Congress, in 1974, was so permanent, so absolute, so overwhelming, and had been for so long, that nobody seems to have batted an eye when a longtime Kennedy family apparatchik was appointed to run the House investigation charged with impeaching Richard Nixon. Indeed, the Post even quotes an especially disingenuous statement from Doar at the time—which The Scrapbook has never forgotten: “As an individual, I have not the slightest bias against President Nixon. I would hope that I would not do him the smallest, slightest injury.”

Oh, sure.

We mention all this not because John Doar was capable of saying such things with a straight face, or because pious declarations aren’t a daily occurrence in Washington. No, we say it to remind readers that, once upon a time and not so long ago, the Republican party was so hopelessly outnumbered on Capitol Hill (and had been, in effect, since 1930) that the task of impartially inquiring into the impeachment of a Republican president was blithely entrusted to a lifelong, and deeply partisan, Democrat and his eager assistant, fresh from Yale Law School.

Sometimes things do change for the better.

--

Correction: Robert Doar emails The Scrapbook:

Contrary to your assertion that he was “a lifelong and deeply partisan Democrat,” John Doar was a Republican who came to Washington to work in the Eisenhower administration. Though it is hard to measure such things, I can assure you that Doar’s seven years of work in the Civil Rights Division is far more well-known than his 8 months of work on the House Judiciary Committee’s impeachment inquiry staff.

Hillary Clinton was not Doar’s “assistant” on the impeachment inquiry staff; she was a junior lawyer who was assigned the tasks junior lawyers were given and Doar was grateful for her work, as he was of all of the work performed by the inquiry staff. And finally, the Nixon impeachment inquiry was most notable for achieving an overwhelmingly bipartisan result. Strong Republicans such as Tom Railsback, Harold Froelich, Larry Hogan (father of Maryland’s Governor elect) and Caldwell Butler, among others, joined in voting for articles of impeachment. Republicans’ properly facing up to the President’s misdeeds may well have contributed to the party’s rapid recovery of the White House in 1980, and for that, some small credit is due to Republicans like John Doar.

From an official document, a list of lawyers on the Committee on the Judiciary Impeachment Inquiry Staff. Jerry Doar was the boss. Jerry Zeifman was not on that staff. Jerry Zeifman was General Counsel to the Committee. Hillary was not the Special Counsel, nor a Senior Associate, nor a Deputy Counsel. She was not Doar's "Assistant." She was a fresh out of law school lowly counsel, listed as such. Hillary had no power to do the things that were attributed to her.

http://watergate.info/judiciary/BKIITOW.PDF

TESTIMONY OF WITNESSES

HEARINGS
BEFORE THE
COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
NINETY-THIRD CONGRESS
SECOND SESSION
PURSUANT TO
H. Res. 803
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE
COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY TO INVESTIGATE
WHETHER SUFFICIENT GROUNDS EXIST FOR THE
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TO EXERCISE ITS
CONSTITUTIONAL POWER TO IMPEACH
RICHARD M. NIXON
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

BOOK II
WILLIAM O. BITTMAN, JOHN N. MITCHELL AND JOHN W. DEAN III
JULY 9, 10, 11, 1974
U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE

[...]

IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY STAFF

JOHN DOAR, Special Counsel
ALBERT E. JENNER, Jr., Special Counsel to the Minority
JOSEPH A. WOODS, Jr., Senior Associate Special Counsel
RICHARD CATES, Senior Associate Special Counsel
BERNARD W. NUSSBAUM, Senior Associate Special Counsel
ROBERT D. SACK, Senior Associate Special Counsel
ROBERT A. SHELTON, Associate Special Counsel
SAMUEL GARRISON III, Deputy Minority Counsel

FRED H. ALTSHULER, Counsel
THOMAS BELL, Counsel
W. PAUL BISHOP, Counsel
ROBERT L. BROWN, Counsel
MICHAEL M. CONWAY, Counsel
RUFUS CORMIER, Special Assistant
E. LEE DALE, Counsel
JOHN B. DAVIDSON, Counsel
EVAN A. DAVIS, Counsel
CONSTANTINE J. GEKAS, Counsel
RICHARD H. GILL, Counsel
DAGMAR HAMILTON, Counsel
DAVID HANES, Special Assistant
JOHN E. KENNAHAN, Counsel
TERRY R. KIRR PATRICE, Counsel
JOHN R. LABOVITZ, Counsel
LAWRENCE LUCCHINO, Counsel
R. L. SMITH MCKEITHEN, Counsel

(II)
ALAN MARER, Counsel
ROBERT P. MURPHY, Counsel
JAMES B. F. OLIPHANT, Counsel
RICHARD H. PORTER, Counsel
GEORGE RAYBORN, Counsel
JAMES REUM, Counsel
HILLARY D. RODHAM, Counsel
STEPHEN A. SHARP, Counsel
JARED STAMELL, Counsel
ROSCOE B. STARER III. Counsel
GARY W. SUTTON, Counsel
EDWARD S. SZIJKELEWICZ, Counsel
THEODORE TETZLAFF, Counsel
ROBERT J. TRAINOR, Counsel
J. STEPHEN WALKER, Counsel
BEN A. WALLIS, Jr., Counsel
WILLIAM WELD, Counsel
WILLIAM A. WHITE, Counsel

nolu chan  posted on  2015-04-07   3:02:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: nolu chan (#56)

You were quoting yourself at #4?

No,I was quoting myself in my later response to your demand for a link. I clearly told you that was the way I remembered it,and that seemed to confuse you because you have no memory or independent thoughts.

Beyond that point it has been one brain fart and mega-copy from you after another,as you seem to try to understand the concept of people having memories and thoughts.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-07   19:49:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: sneakypete (#58)

[sneakypete #58] No,I was quoting myself in my later response to your demand for a link.

[sneakypete #53] Since you are obscenely anal and will no doubt want a link,look for my original post on this thread about this. That will be your link,and since you obviously think links are gold-plated truths,there is the evidence for you.

That really is the evidence.

Your original post with your "quote" of Archibald Cox was in your #4. Who were you quoting in your #4?

Do you usually put your random thoughts into quotation marks and attribute them as a direct quote to Archibald Cox?

#4. To: redleghunter (#1)

These Xlintons learned much from Nixon.

You can't be ignorant enough to be serious!

I am no fan of Richard "Wage and Price Controls,and lets open relations with China while we are at it!" Nixon,but ALL he was guilty of was participating in the coverup. He had no part in the actual crime.

On the other hand,BOTH Clintons have been involved in treason since their college days. Hillary was even caught manufacturing evidence against Nixon when she worked for the Watergate committee,and hiding evidence favorable to him and was fired for it by Archibald Cox with the recommendation that "she never be hired or appointed to any position of trust with the government in the future."

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-30   6:42:40 ET

nolu chan  posted on  2015-04-07   21:58:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: nolu chan (#59) (Edited)

Do you usually put your random thoughts into quotation marks and attribute them as a direct quote to Archibald Cox?

#4. To: redleghunter (#1)

These Xlintons learned much from Nixon.

You can't be ignorant enough to be serious!

I am no fan of Richard "Wage and Price Controls,and lets open relations with China while we are at it!" Nixon,but ALL he was guilty of was participating in the coverup. He had no part in the actual crime.

Are you really that clueless? I thought you are a fool without an original thought in your head,but I am starting to think you might be a machine of some sort.

Someone writes "A",and you automatically reply with "B",with no thought at all.

And "No,I am not going to explain the quotation marks above or here to you." Get one of your semi-human programmers to reboot you with the knowledge.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-07   23:25:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: sneakypete (#60)

#4. To: redleghunter (#1)

These Xlintons learned much from Nixon.

You can't be ignorant enough to be serious!

I am no fan of Richard "Wage and Price Controls,and lets open relations with China while we are at it!" Nixon,but ALL he was guilty of was participating in the coverup. He had no part in the actual crime.

On the other hand,BOTH Clintons have been involved in treason since their college days. Hillary was even caught manufacturing evidence against Nixon when she worked for the Watergate committee,and hiding evidence favorable to him and was fired for it by Archibald Cox with the recommendation that "she never be hired or appointed to any position of trust with the government in the future."

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-30   6:42:40 ET

As you were not quoting anyone else, and all this is of your own recollection:

What do you recall Bill Clinton did in his college days that involved levying war against the United States, or, adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort?

What do you recall Hillary Rodham Clinton did in her college days that involved levying war against the United States, or, adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort?

When do you recall Hillary worked with the Watergate Committee which was in the Senate?

Who do you recall caught Hillary Clinton manufacturing evidence against Nixon when she worked with the Special Counsel to the House Judiciary Committee?

What was the evidence you recall Hillary Clinton manufactured against Nixon?

Who do you recall caught Hillary Clinton hiding evidence favorable to Nixon?

What do you recall was the evidence Hillary Clinton hid that was favorable to Nixon?

What do you recall Nixon claimed was his legal defense?

nolu chan  posted on  2015-04-08   19:05:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: nolu chan (#64)

Who do you recall caught Hillary Clinton manufacturing evidence against Nixon when she worked with the Special Counsel to the House Judiciary Committee?

What was the evidence you recall Hillary Clinton manufactured against Nixon?

Who do you recall caught Hillary Clinton hiding evidence favorable to Nixon?

What do you recall was the evidence Hillary Clinton hid that was favorable to Nixon?

What do you recall Nixon claimed was his legal defense?

You must be the world champion of dead horse flogging.

How many freaking times do I have to explain to you that I was relying on memory of news reports from the time.

Unlike YOU,I am neither anal nor obsessed with protecting Bubbette! Clinton,so I don't have 1,000 saved links.

Frankly,I just don't care that much about her. She is a evil,stupid,vain,and corrupt bitch,and that's all I really need to know about her.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-08   20:51:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: sneakypete (#65)

How many freaking times do I have to explain to you that I was relying on memory of news reports from the time.

What news reports? At what time? The bullshit you posted has never been a news report. There are Jerry Zeifman's discredited claims and emails and blogs with their urban myths.

Righhhht. You had no source but your memory and you remember various crimes and misdeeds of Bill and Hillary but have no recollection whatsoever of the alleged crimes or misdeeds you write about.

  • you allegedly remember that Bill and Hillary committed treason in their college but have no memory whatever of what they allegedly did.

  • you allegedly remember that Hillary manufactured evidence against Nixon but have no recollection of what that supposed evidence was.

  • you allegedly remember that Hillary hid information favorable to Nixon but have no recollection of what such information was.

Of course, you did not just lift your nonsense from some viral email garbage or idiot website. You have no recollection of where your information came from.

You have no clue what the purported Nixon defense, allegedly thwarted by Hillary Rodham, was. Let me help.

The Richard Nixon Defense

Did Nixon have such a politically or legally viable defense? Obviously, he felt that he did. In May 1977, Nixon made his first national appearance since his voluntary exile to San Clemente in the summer of 1974 in a series of televised interviews with David Frost. The former president stated, "I did not commit, in my view, any impeachable offense. … I can only say that wile technically I did not commit a crime, an impeachable offense … these are legalisms. As far as the handling of this [Watergate] matter is concerned, it was so botched-up. I made many bad judgments. The worst ones, mistakes of the heart rather than the head."

At one point in the interview, Nixon explained the basis of his defense:

When the president does it, that means that by definition it is not illegal. … If the president approves an action because of the national security, then the president's decision in that instance is one that enables those who carry it out to carry it out without violating a law.

Jerry Zeifman, Without Honor: The Impeachment of President Nixon and the Crimes of Camelot, Introduction by John Dean, First Edition, First Printing, 1995, Thunders Mouth Press, pp. 211-212.

Maybe that will assist your sketchy memory.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-04-09   14:17:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: nolu chan (#66)

The bullshit you posted has never been a news report. There are Jerry Zeifman's discredited claims and emails and blogs with their urban myths.

Blah,blah,blah. Stick it up your ass and rotate.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-09   21:47:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: sneakypete, Liberator (#67)

Blah,blah,blah. Stick it up your ass and rotate.

You know I do believe that's the first time I've ever heard you say that.

You didn't happen to make a wrong turn and get stuck on a one way street that ended up in a "Homohood" yesterday did you?

CZ82  posted on  2015-04-10   6:56:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: CZ82 (#70)

You didn't happen to make a wrong turn and get stuck on a one way street that ended up in a "Homohood" yesterday did you?

Just how obsessed with homosexuality are you?

sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-10   19:14:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: sneakypete (#84) (Edited)

Obsessed or disgusted with?

The way I see it they should keep it to themselves in their own closet and not out for the whole world to see, laugh at and be disgusted by. Something they need to be reminded of on a daily basis or it will only get worse. You hate what this country is becoming so why can't you see what one of the reasons for that is?

CZ82  posted on  2015-04-10   19:18:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: CZ82 (#86)

You hate what this country is becoming so why can't you see what one of the reasons for that is?

IMHO,the prime reason our country is turning fascist is because the globalists have been successful in their efforts to turn us all against each other that we spend all our time fighting each other instead of uniting to fight the bastards taking over our country.

What two or more consenting adults do in privacy is none of my,or your, business,and I don't even want to hear about it.

What IS my business,as well as the business of every other American that values individual rights and freedoms,is the global conspiracy by the international bankers to destroy our form of government and take away all our individual freedoms.

IF you and others,including the homosexuals, could set aside your emotional bigotry for a moment and look at the facts alone,you would all realize that homosexuals as a group should be our biggest allies because history proves they will be the first groups to be led to the gulags.

It boils down to the fact that in the final analysis we are all in the same boat,and the damn boat is sinking while people keep screaming about which direction to row it instead of getting together to bail the damn thing out.

It's all about "Me,ME,ME,DAMMIT!",and nobody seems to give a damn about the pending death of the greatest country that has ever existed.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-10   19:45:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: sneakypete, CZ82 (#88) (Edited)

IMHO,the prime reason our country is turning fascist is because the globalists have been successful in their efforts to turn us all against each other that we spend all our time fighting each other instead of uniting to fight the bastards taking over our country.

Globalists and One-Worlders are one reason; The other is idiots like you who've been brainwashed by the media into supporting a huge part of the Left's agenda -- that is to kill God and take down Christianity and the underpinnings of morality. On the shoulders of Christianity is what America has ALWAYS been, and why it has been great. So. Thanks. FOR NOTHING.

What two or more consenting adults do in privacy is none of my,or your, business,and I don't even want to hear about it.

Are YOU kidding?? Is that why we're bombarded and inundated with WHO, WHAT, WHERE and ALL things "gay" in Yahoo/Google/MSNBC/NYT/Social Media 24/7?? Homos won't shut up. They're on a roll. Homos NEVER shut up about what defines them as human beings: THEIR GENITALS.

IF you and others,including the homosexuals, could set aside your emotional bigotry for a moment and look at the facts alone,you would all realize that homosexuals as a group should be our biggest allies because history proves they will be the first groups to be led to the gulags.

LMAO!

And btw -- "history" proves that the origins of the Nazi Party were by and large...HOMOSEXUAL. They don't call them the "gaystapo" for nothing either.

It boils down to the fact that in the final analysis we are all in the same boat,and the damn boat is sinking while people keep screaming about which direction to row it instead of getting together to bail the damn thing out.

Yes, the boat IS sinking fast. But there are TWO sides. One side is bailing, one side is poking MORE holes into the hull. YOU are now on the WRONG side and helping those destroying the ship.

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-11   14:38:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Liberator (#94)

The other is idiots like you who've been brainwashed by the media into supporting a huge part of the Left's agenda --<<

Dummy,they wouldn't HAVE a public agenda if it weren't for loons like you screaming about how they don't have the same rights as every other citizen. It's foaming at the mouth raving lunatics like you that get them their support.

that is to kill God and take down Christianity and the underpinnings of morality.

Just how powerful do you really think your freaking God is if some unknown person on the internet can kill him with words and logic?

I will admit that I am surprised that you think he/it is a powerless joke,though.

On the shoulders of Christianity is what America has ALWAYS been, and why it has been great. So. Thanks. FOR NOTHING.

Proving once again how delusional you really are. Which is typical of cult members. It's why they are attracted to cults.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-11   16:02:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: sneakypete (#97)

(The Left's agenda -- that is to kill God and take down Christianity and the underpinnings of morality.)

Just how powerful do you really think your freaking God is if some unknown person on the internet can kill him with words and logic?

"Killing God" was a metaphor -- I can't believe you couldn't understand it. Oh well.

In clearer terms, the ouster and replacement of God as the ultimate answerable authority, as well as the elimination of any definitive standards of morality is the basis for our current state of confusion, chaos, and collective mental instability.

Moral relativity -- the inability of America to discern and act on the difference between Right and Wrong-- is what has been killing America. And THAT is whether or not you believe in God or not. This acceptable immoral template began right at the top with...Bill Clinton and allowing he his farcical, criminal Presidency to go unpunished.

Again -- one need not be a Christian to understand this irrefutable truth: The Christian ethic and faith has indeed been the traditional foundation and underpinning on from America built its greatness. Tear God away from the America fabric, and you don't have a "good" people, you don't even have an "America"; You have a divided & conquer people of diluted loyalty and common values. The proof of such a claim are the daily headlines, and well the ID and values reflected of the current President.

Btw -- was America a better or worse county before or after "gay marriage" was officially shoved down America's throat? Have American more or less "rights" during the last 20 years?

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-15   11:04:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Liberator (#109) (Edited)

The Christian ethic and faith has indeed been the traditional foundation and underpinning on from America built its greatness.

Close,but Christianity doesn't own the patent on ethic behavior.

Btw -- was America a better or worse county before or after "gay marriage" was officially shoved down America's throat?

Neither. Our problems are related to a thoroughly corrupt ruling class and a population composed of self-centered clowns that think everyone exists to provide for them as individuals. Who marries who has NOTHING to do with it.

Who RAISES who is a hell of a lot more important than who marries who. Parents,who by YOUR definition are all heterosexual moralists,gave up their rights and obligations to raise their own children decades ago,and gladly passed them off to the governemnt. THAT is the root of our problems. We now have multi-generations of children that grew up thinking the government is their daddy and mommy.

Have American more or less "rights" during the last 20 years?

Clearly less,and it had and has nothing to do with sexuality. It has to do with selfishness and the desire to rule.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-15   13:32:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: sneakypete (#115) (Edited)

Christianity doesn't own the patent on ethnic behavior.

I didn't say that, nor was it my intent. Just that America's ethics were Christian-Bible based (even IF one wasn't Christian), while America itself moderated its behavior accordingly and by the Golden Rule.

Our problems are related to a thoroughly corrupt ruling class and a population composed of self-centered clowns that think everyone exists to provide for them as individuals. Who marries who has NOTHING to do with it.

You mean to tell me you can't tell whether America is a better OR worst place once the homofascist agenda kicked in? You have GOT to be kidding me.

That corruption you allude to and self-centered clowns (aka narcissism) defines the Left and the militant gay agenda and insistence (or ELSE!) on acceptance of homo-marriage to a tee. Not that all the problem can be attributed to homofascism -- on that point you're right.

Who RAISES who is a hell of a lot more important than who marries who.

Yes, and since LBJ's Great Leftist Society, fathers were encouraged to leave families, divorces was encouraged, and sodomists were given parental "rights" (where NONE exist.) It's been an epic formula for FUBARing America.

Parents,who by YOUR definition are all heterosexual moralists,gave up their rights and obligations to raise their own children decades ago,and gladly passed them off to the governemnt. THAT is the root of our problems. We now have multi-generations of children that grew up thinking the government is their daddy and mommy.

You're partially absolutely correct -- especially on the surrender of independence ceded to gubmint (especially as Sugar Daddy.) You're right as well as the afore mentioned destruction of the family unit (especially blacks.) But in NO way shape or form have moral hetrosexual/normal people surrendered their respective "rights and obligations" to gubmint to raise their own kids. Don't know how you can conclude that.

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-15   14:21:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Liberator (#118)

You mean to tell me you can't tell whether America is a better OR worst place once the homofascist agenda kicked in? `

No,and if you were to be honest with yourself,neither can you.

Homosexuals as a group had ZERO political influence prior to the 90's,and in fact any politician or other public figure had negative influence if he or she were a known homosexual. Even that fruit Barney Frank stayed married to a woman and in the closet. Jerry Brown from Ca is still in the closet,and he's a re-run governor of the land of fruits and nuts. His first time as Governor he pretended he and Linda Ronstadt were a couple to give him and her both cover. They are both homosexuals.

American culture had been destroyed a LONG time before homosexuals came out and became a political force. Your,and other fundie Christians claims they destroyed American culture ranks right up there with the insanity you promote that homosexuals being married somehow lessens the value of your own marriages.

Yes, and since LBJ's Great Leftist Society, fathers were encouraged to leave families, divorces was encouraged, and sodomists were given parental "rights" (where NONE exist.) It's been an epic formula for FUBARing America.

No argument there!

But in NO way shape or form have moral hetrosexual/normal people surrendered their respective "rights and obligations" to gubmint to raise their own kids. Don't know how you can conclude that.

If it's not true,how did all those laws get passed and how did they stay on the books? I know that MY claim is the vast majority of the families in this country consist of a heterosexual mother and father,and I assume you agree with this. If this is so where were they when the laws were passed that took away their parental rights (OBLIGATIONS!),and why were and are they silent on these issues?

Trust me,I am as pissed off about this particular issue as your are,since in my mind this is at the root of the whole thing.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-15   15:13:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: sneakypete (#120)

Jerry Brown from Ca is still in the closet,

How do you khow? Did you see him in your closet with you?

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-04-16   6:34:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: A K A Stone (#126) (Edited)

Jerry Brown from Ca is still in the closet,

How do you khow? Did you see him in your closet with you?

I saw him passing love notes to you.

And just how shrewd are you to think I would be in the closet when of the two of us,*I* am the one that demands homosexuals be treated like everyone else and admit to having homosexual relatives?

sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-16   7:58:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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