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Title: Reporter Who Exposed Hillary’s Secret Intel Operation: Who Authorized & Financed It?
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URL Source: http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern ... on-who-authorized-financed-it/
Published: Mar 29, 2015
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2015-03-29 23:27:47 by out damned spot
Keywords: Intel, operation, Hillary
Views: 99230
Comments: 168

One of the reporters who exposed what appears to have been former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s clandestine and rogue intelligence service said that there are more questions than answers regarding the operation, which was exposed in the hacked emails of Clinton’s longtime confidante Sidney Blumenthal.

Appearing on Breitbart News Sunday on Sirius XM Patriot channel 125, Jeff Gerth, a two-time Pulitzer Prize winner, told host and Breitbart News Executive Chairman Stephen K. Bannon that he still wanted to know “who authorized or tasked this network to do what they did” and “who was paying for this?”

Gerth, the former New York Times reporter who now works for ProPublica, co- authored the report on Clinton’s rogue intelligence operation with Gawker’s Sam Biddle. He said the intelligence operation revealed in the Blumenthal emails reminds him of the Ed Wilson scandal in Libya and the Iran-Contra scandal. He noted that in both cases people were sent to jail or convicted of various crimes.

“You don’t just pick this stuff up from the Internet,” he said, noting “there were human intelligence sources inside of Libya that were gathering this information” and relaying it to Blumenthal, who then forwarded the accounts to Clinton’s private email account.

Gerth emphasized that the Blumenthal emails are “just a minor tiny percentage of what was going on here.” He said “we got a few pieces but don’t have anywhere near the full puzzle” because journalists have to work “with what the hacker chose to download” and take screenshots of two years ago.

According to the Gawker/ProPublica report, “starting weeks before Islamic militants attacked the U.S. diplomatic outpost in Benghazi, Libya, longtime Clinton family confidante Sidney Blumenthal supplied intelligence to then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton gathered by a secret network that included a former CIA clandestine service officer.” Blumenthal’s emails “include at least a dozen detailed reports on events on the deteriorating political and security climate in Libya as well as events in other nations” and they came to light when a Hacker called Guccifer posted them in 2013.

On August 23, 2012, less than three weeks before the Benghazi attacks that killed four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens, an email, according to the report, cites “‘an extremely sensitive source’ who highlighted a string of bombings and kidnappings of foreign diplomats and aid workers in Tripoli, Benghazi and Misrata, suggesting they were the work of people loyal to late Libyan Prime Minister Muammar Gaddafi.”

As the report points out, Hillary Clinton claimed “that U.S. intelligence officials didn’t have advance knowledge” of security threats in Benghazi, but Blumenthal’s email “portrays a deteriorating security climate” even if the memo, according to Gawker, “doesn’t rise to the level of a warning about the safety of U.S. diplomats.” On the day after the Benghazi attacks, Blumenthal reportedly sent an email sent an email saying a “sensitive source” said that interim Libyan president Mohammed Yussef el Magariaf “was told by a senior security officer” that the Benghazi attacks were “inspired by an anti-Muslim video made in the U.S,” which was the Obama administration’s preferred spin.

The next day, though, Blumenthal reportedly sent an email that “said Libyan security officials believed an Islamist radical group called the Ansa al Sharia brigade had prepared the attack a month in advance and ‘took advantage of the cover’ provided by the demonstrations against the video.” Another email in October of 2012 notes “that Magariaf and the Libyan army chief of staff agree that the ‘situation in the country is becoming increasingly dangerous and unmanageable’ and ‘far worse’ than Western leaders realize.”

The report notes that though the intelligence notes were sent under Blumenthal’s name, they “appear to have been gathered and prepared by Tyler Drumheller, a former chief of the CIA’s clandestine service in Europe who left the agency in 2005.” He has since reportedly established a consulting firm– Tyler Drumheller, LLC. The emails also show that “Cody Shearer, a longtime Clinton family operative,” was also in “close contact with Blumenthal.”

Blumenthal’s hacked emails also show that “he and his associates worked to help the Libyan opposition, and even plotted to insert operatives on the ground using a private contractor.” The emails reveal that Blumenthal and Shearer were negotiating with former Army General David Grange “to place send four operatives on a week-long mission to Tunis, Tunisia, and ‘to the border and back.'” Grange, “a major general in the Army who ran a secret Pentagon special operations unit before retiring in 1999,” according to the report, “subsequently founded Osprey Global Solutions, a consulting firm and government contractor that offers logistics, intelligence, security training, armament sales, and other services.”

The Libyan National Transition Council and Grange’s Osprey Global Solutions, according to documents, agreed that Osprey would “‘assist in the resumption of access to its assets and operations in country’ and train Libyan forces in intelligence, weaponry, and ‘rule-of-land warfare.'” Another email reportedly shows that Drumheller appealed to “then-Libyan Prime Minister Ali Zeidan offering the services of Tyler Drumheller LLC, ‘to develop a program that will provide discreet confidential information allowing the appropriate entities in Libya to address any regional and international challenges.'”

In addition to intelligence information from Libya, the Blumenthal memos, according to the report, “cover a wide array of subjects in extreme detail, from German Prime Minister Angela Merkel’s conversations with her finance minister about French president Francois Hollande–marked ‘THIS INFORMATION COMES FROM AN EXTREMELY SENSITIVE SOURCE’—to the composition of the newly elected South Korean president’s transition team.”

A Clinton spokesman reportedly told the outlets that the Blumenthal emails were part of the nearly 33,000 pages of emails that Clinton turned over to the State Department.

As the report notes, “Blumenthal, a New Yorker staff writer in the 1990s, became a top aide to President Bill Clinton and worked closely with Hillary Clinton during the fallout from the Whitewater investigation into the Clinton family.” Hillary Clinton even reportedly “tried to hire him when she joined President Obama’s cabinet in 2009, but White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel reportedly nixed the idea” because of Blumenthal’s attacks on Obama during the 2008 Democratic primary. On Breitbart News Sunday, Gerth also reminded listeners how close Blumenthal is to the Clintons–he was the last person, for instance, Hillary Clinton spoke to before she went on the Today show during the Monica Lewinsky affair to allege a “vast right-wing conspiracy” against the Clintons.

The emails raise more questions about whether all of the more than 30,000 emails that Clinton deemed to be “personal” were really not “work-related.” Clinton refused to turn her email server over to a third party and Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC), who chairs the House Select Benghazi Committee, revealed on Friday that Clinton had wiped her email server “clean.” Gowdy, citing “huge gaps” in the emails that his committee has received, has indicated that there may be many relevant emails regarding Libya that Clinton may not have turned over, which is why he has indicated that the House may take legal action to get access to Clinton’s email server.

“There are gaps of months and months and months. And if you think to that iconic picture of her on a C-17 flying to Libya, she has sunglasses on and she has her handheld device in her hand, we have no e-mails from that day. In fact, we have no e-mails from that trip, Gowdy said on a recent appearance on CBS’s Face the Nation. “So, it’s strange credibility to believe that if you’re on your way to Libya to discuss Libyan policy that there’s not a single document that has been turned over to Congress. So, there are huge gaps. And with respect to the president, it’s not up to Secretary Clinton to decide what is a public record and what’s not.”

Gerth pointed out that “these things these usually have layers to them” and there is a lot more that needs to be unearthed.

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#86. To: sneakypete (#84) (Edited)

Obsessed or disgusted with?

The way I see it they should keep it to themselves in their own closet and not out for the whole world to see, laugh at and be disgusted by. Something they need to be reminded of on a daily basis or it will only get worse. You hate what this country is becoming so why can't you see what one of the reasons for that is?

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-04-10   19:18:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: sneakypete (#84)

Oh BTW you should know that by now that I don't discriminate, I give just as much schitt to Leftards, Moderates and Faux Conservatives as I do Homos.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-04-10   19:30:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: CZ82 (#86)

You hate what this country is becoming so why can't you see what one of the reasons for that is?

IMHO,the prime reason our country is turning fascist is because the globalists have been successful in their efforts to turn us all against each other that we spend all our time fighting each other instead of uniting to fight the bastards taking over our country.

What two or more consenting adults do in privacy is none of my,or your, business,and I don't even want to hear about it.

What IS my business,as well as the business of every other American that values individual rights and freedoms,is the global conspiracy by the international bankers to destroy our form of government and take away all our individual freedoms.

IF you and others,including the homosexuals, could set aside your emotional bigotry for a moment and look at the facts alone,you would all realize that homosexuals as a group should be our biggest allies because history proves they will be the first groups to be led to the gulags.

It boils down to the fact that in the final analysis we are all in the same boat,and the damn boat is sinking while people keep screaming about which direction to row it instead of getting together to bail the damn thing out.

It's all about "Me,ME,ME,DAMMIT!",and nobody seems to give a damn about the pending death of the greatest country that has ever existed.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-10   19:45:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: sneakypete (#88)

Most people don't even know what a Globalist is hence it's easy to distract them.

But globalists are only one piece of the puzzle so exterminating them will only get you so far, it's a good start but not the end game.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-04-10   20:07:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: sneakypete, CZ82 (#85)

Not wanting to burn them at the stake is NOT the same thing as supporting them.

So in your twisted alleged mind....Christians -- whose livelihoods, culture, and faith are now being spit upon by homfascists and a Constititution that no longer applies to them -- are wanting burn who "at the stake"?? Is it the medication are you really that detached from reality?

For the record,I DO insist that homosexuals have the same Constitutional Rights as any other American citizen. If this weren't true,this wouldn't be America.

For the record, your "Constitution" is THE same exact fake USCON in play at the ACLU, SPLC, and LBQT headquarters. Homos indeed have MORE "rights" than either straight/normal citizens or Christians. Tell me why there are special laws like "Hate Speech" and "Hate Crimes" for queers if you're so d*mned committed to "same constitutional rights"?

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-11   14:02:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Liberator (#90)

Man, your fixation on any and all things homosexual has got to stop. Get help.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-04-11   14:04:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: CZ82, sneakypete (#86)

Obsessed or disgusted with?

Yeah -- apparently repulsion over the homosexual fascism is ok with Pete. Why be disgusted just because young children are being taught and brainwashed in elementary school that sodomy is "normal" as well as "gay marriage"??

You see -- "enlightened" people like Pete -- who believe they are human "rights" crusaders -- are enablers of this insanity as well as helping spearhead the homofascist agenda. They share one thing in common: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend": Christians.

The way I see it they should keep it to themselves in their own closet and not out for the whole world to see, laugh at and be disgusted by. Something they need to be reminded of on a daily basis or it will only get worse.

Reminding queers of their open faggotry? That's why "Hate speech" laws are now in effect where people get fired from their jobs, businesses get shut down, or people arrested. Convenient, eh? So you JUST want "constitutional rights" for gays, eh Pete? Which ones? The 1st Amendment? The 14th? Chyeah, right. This nonsense and insanity will only get worse as long as long as the idiots who buy into this "Gays be victums of bigotry" BS and keep on supporting it. And...It's NOT the nature of Queers to just...be. They must be flamboyant about EVERYTHING, mustn't they?

And no, they aren't interested in Constitutional parity, but in garnering even MORE special rights above and beyond. NO different than those other militant" victumhood" champs -- "aggrieved" blacks.

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-11   14:23:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Fred Mertz (#91)

14 words. One sentence. You trying to become another Tolstoy?

Never mind. Just keep on doing what you do: Hanging like a HUGE mothball in a tiny closet.

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-11   14:25:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: sneakypete, CZ82 (#88) (Edited)

IMHO,the prime reason our country is turning fascist is because the globalists have been successful in their efforts to turn us all against each other that we spend all our time fighting each other instead of uniting to fight the bastards taking over our country.

Globalists and One-Worlders are one reason; The other is idiots like you who've been brainwashed by the media into supporting a huge part of the Left's agenda -- that is to kill God and take down Christianity and the underpinnings of morality. On the shoulders of Christianity is what America has ALWAYS been, and why it has been great. So. Thanks. FOR NOTHING.

What two or more consenting adults do in privacy is none of my,or your, business,and I don't even want to hear about it.

Are YOU kidding?? Is that why we're bombarded and inundated with WHO, WHAT, WHERE and ALL things "gay" in Yahoo/Google/MSNBC/NYT/Social Media 24/7?? Homos won't shut up. They're on a roll. Homos NEVER shut up about what defines them as human beings: THEIR GENITALS.

IF you and others,including the homosexuals, could set aside your emotional bigotry for a moment and look at the facts alone,you would all realize that homosexuals as a group should be our biggest allies because history proves they will be the first groups to be led to the gulags.

LMAO!

And btw -- "history" proves that the origins of the Nazi Party were by and large...HOMOSEXUAL. They don't call them the "gaystapo" for nothing either.

It boils down to the fact that in the final analysis we are all in the same boat,and the damn boat is sinking while people keep screaming about which direction to row it instead of getting together to bail the damn thing out.

Yes, the boat IS sinking fast. But there are TWO sides. One side is bailing, one side is poking MORE holes into the hull. YOU are now on the WRONG side and helping those destroying the ship.

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-11   14:38:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Liberator (#90)

So in your twisted alleged mind....Christians -- whose livelihoods, culture, and faith are now being spit upon by homfascists and a Constititution that no longer applies to them -- are wanting burn who "at the stake"??

Guess what,Bucko! Christians don't run the world. This means you are either going to have to learn to get along with other people and leave them to live their lives in peace,or take a long jump with a short rope. Your choice.

Is it the medication are you really that detached from reality?

Which one of us believes in Holy Spooks and magic?

Homos indeed have MORE "rights" than either straight/normal citizens or Christians.

No,they don't. They have the EXACT same rights as everyone else. They only have more rights in the minds of people like you who just aren't happy unless you feel like persecuted victims. You love following orders,and want everyone else to follow the same orders so you can feel like you matter and are someone important and informed.

Tell me why there are special laws like "Hate Speech" and "Hate Crimes" for queers if you're so d*mned committed to "same constitutional rights"?

Easy. Because there are people who are the mirror-image of you who want the Constitution to protect them by punishing people they don't agree with.

They are wrong,and so are you. The US Constitution is about equal treatment for ALL citizens. Even fundies and homos.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-11   15:52:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Liberator (#92)

Yeah -- apparently repulsion over the homosexual fascism is ok with Pete.

I think you wrote that "backwards",but it doesn't matter to me either way. I honestly don't give a damn what you,homosexuals,or anyone else thinks. I only care when you lobby to get the laws changed so the government enforces your bigotry and superstition.

They share one thing in common: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend": Christians.

You are delusional. Christians aren't my enemy. LOONS are the enemy of reason,though,and you are a loon if you think America needs to be controlled by a religious cult based on fear and punishment.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-11   15:56:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Liberator (#94)

The other is idiots like you who've been brainwashed by the media into supporting a huge part of the Left's agenda --<<

Dummy,they wouldn't HAVE a public agenda if it weren't for loons like you screaming about how they don't have the same rights as every other citizen. It's foaming at the mouth raving lunatics like you that get them their support.

that is to kill God and take down Christianity and the underpinnings of morality.

Just how powerful do you really think your freaking God is if some unknown person on the internet can kill him with words and logic?

I will admit that I am surprised that you think he/it is a powerless joke,though.

On the shoulders of Christianity is what America has ALWAYS been, and why it has been great. So. Thanks. FOR NOTHING.

Proving once again how delusional you really are. Which is typical of cult members. It's why they are attracted to cults.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-11   16:02:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Liberator (#94)

And btw -- "history" proves that the origins of the Nazi Party were by and large...HOMOSEXUAL. They don't call them the "gaystapo" for nothing either.

BTW,that's not true.

Some of the strongarm "bully boys" in leadership positions with the police in the early days were homosexuals,but they were pretty much killed off once Hitler took power.

In fact,you will be happy to know that Hitler and Stalin both agreed with you that homosexuality was a mental disease,and both send them off to be executed or worked to death in labor camps.

You must be sooooo proud!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-11   16:06:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Liberator, sneakypete (#77)

That said, can one (or both of you) of you please succinctly explain the actual gist or contention of your respective debate? A lot of energy and thought has been expended. Thanks...

sneakypete repeated an off-topic urban legend at #4 that Hillary Clinton was fired from the Impeachment Inquiry Staff in 1974 by Archibald Cox. At #11, I posted two words of my own, "Urban myth," and the Snopes debunking of the urban myth, showing that Hillary was not fired and that Jerry Zeifman never fired her either. At #19 sneakypete claimed that he never said that Zeifman fired her, but that "[t]he way I remember it, it was Archibald Cox that fired her."

At #25, sneakypete tried to weasel out of responsibility for his #4 claim that "Hillary was even caught manufacturing evidence against Nixon when she worked for the Watergate committee,and hiding evidence favorable to him and was fired for it by Archibald Cox …" He claimed he said it was only as he remembered it. And then he decided to call he "shithead." Since then I have adied and abetted him in his display of his stream of unconsciousness.

Archibald Cox had been fired from his Executive Branch position Special Prosecutor in the Saturday Night Massacre in 1973, before Hillary was employed, in 1974, in her Legislative Branch position with the Impeachment Inquiry staff of the House Committee on the Judiciary, headed by Special Counsel John Doar. She was not fired by Archibald Cox, she was not fired by Jerry Zeifman, she was not fired. Richard Nixon resigned on August 9, 1974 and the Impeachment Inquiry staff was disbanded as you cannot impeach an ex-President. Along with others, when her position was abolished, her employment was terminated. She was not fired for misconduct, and Jerry Zeifman lacked authority to do it had he wanted to. It didn't happen.

Of course, had he really posted and quoted from memory, he should know what "his" allegations were about, and he demonstrably does not.

The urban myths originate from the column spun from the Dan Calabrese article which falsely claimed that Jerry Zeifman had fired Hillary Clinton, attributing the act to Zeifman but not quoting.

As for Zeifman's ability to fire Hillary, consider the following from his book, Without Dishonor, and guess whether he would have been told to eff off. Special Counsel John Doar and his senior assistants were the pros from Dover (M.A.S.H. ref) brought in to handle the case.

At 92:

I said to Doar, "And now what can I do to help?" Doar replied, "The first thing I want to do is talk to Lois alone." Surprised by his curtness, I suggested that we talk to Lois together—and then have lunch together to talk about the investigation that had been already begun under my supervision.

Doar and Lois and I then sat alone in Room 2141. Doar turned to Lois, and without consulting me, they began formulating policies for putting lawyers and investigators on the committee's payroll.

I was confused and angered by Doar all afternoon—and concerned about his latching on to Lois in a way that is intended to bypass me in his dealings with Rodino and the committee.

Zeifman was miffed. They were not equals. Doar was there because Zeifman was not competent to do the job. Doar did not need to consult with Zeifman. Doar did not answer to Zeifman.

At 99:

Doar also wanted to hire some individuals to whom he had personal ties. One of these was his longtime companion Renata Adler, who was a write. … I was particularly concerned about one applicant because of her close ties to Burke Marshall. This was Hillary Rodham, who had been Marshall's protoge at Yale and who had been recommended by Peter Edelman, a former top aide to Robert Kennedy.

At 119:

Although I objected to allowing Doar to put her [Adler] on the payroll, Rodino eventually agreed.

Rodham went on the payroll as well. Zeifman had no power of a veto over what Doar wanted. In Hillary's Pursuit of Power, (2006), Jerry Zeifman wrote at 6, "One of the first lawyers to be hired by Doar was Marshall's star pupil, Hillary Rodham." [italics added]

At 101:

All last week Doar insisted, "I'm going to do things my own way." I told him … [t]he impeachment of the President is not going to be done yourway, my way, Peter Rodino's way, or Tip O'Neil's or Jack Brooks's way. It is going to be done the congressional way. No one person's judgment can be relied on. The judgments of Congress are collective judgments. That is what the Congress is about! That is what democracy is all about."

Stonefaced, Doar replied, "That is not what this case is about! I will do this case in my own way." At one point in our discussions he also said: "You have had no actual experience in the prosecution of criminal cases, I have. I was an Assistant Attorney General."

I told Doar that this was not a criminal prosecution, but rather a civil proceding based on a congressional investigation. I added that I had previously headed a congressional investigation…

Zeifman did not tell Doar what to do.

Zeifman has blessed us with this gem from "Without Honor," at 31:

When Dean was chosed to be White House Counsel, Rodino, myself, and his other Judiciary Committee friends were pleased. He had attained his position of years of intense devotion to the combined crafts of law and politics. Envied by other, less-skilled executive branch lawyers, Dean had become an extraordinarily clear-eyed legal and political counselor.

As a convicted felon, John Dean was disbarred.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-04-12   20:05:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: CZ82, sneakypete (#82)

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/hillarys-crocodile-tears-in-connecticut/

My own reaction was of regret that, when I terminated her employment on the Nixon impeachment staff, I had not reported her unethical practices to the appropriate bar associations.

Geez, you're pathetic. Zeifman did not say he fired Hillary. He terminated her employment, along with others, after Nixon resigned and the employment of the Impeachent Inquiry Staff was shut down. You do not continue an impeachment inquiry when there is nobody to impeach.

Nixon resigned August 9. Hillary was employed in Arkansas later in the month. That is about three weeks. Nobody in a federal civil service job can be fired that fast. The incumbent obtains a property right to federal employment and must be given due process, to include fair notice, a right to respond, and a fair hearing. When they need to remove someone from the job immediately, they must be put on paid administrative leave until due process runs its course. Of course, Jerry Zeifman had no authority to fire Hillary at all.

In his 1995 book, Without Honor, he had not yet remembered that he either fired her or had made a negative recommendation, or anything about a recommendation.

At page 12:

Twenty years later, marshall described Rodham's responsibilities to the then-First Lady's biographer: "The job required basid legal skills of analysis in an area that was quite unexplored. It also required somebody who would keep her work to herself, or within the work of the group." Rodham performed her job admirably.

At page 220:

Hillary Rodham was twenty-seven when the impeachment inquiry staff was disbanded. Since she was still a relative neophyte in law, she had no prospects of moving directly into a lucrative private practice representing multinational corporations. On her last night on the House Judiciary Committee's payroll, Rodham had dinner with a few of her younger staff colleagues at the A.V. Ristorante, a moderate-priced pasta bistro near Capitol Hill. She confided in her friends that she was still undecided as to whether to marry Bill Clinton—who was then in Little Rock beginning his climb up the political ladder by planning a campaign for Attorney General.

By the next morning Rodham had made her decision. She took the train down to Little Rock, Arkansas. In 1977, when her husband became Attorney General, Rodham joined Rose law firm as an associate.

She was on the payroll that night and left in the morning. She was not fired.

Jerry Zeifman, 1998, Copy of Sacramento Bee Article, 11/4/1998 (PDF)

Zeifman does not have flattering memories of Rodham's work on the committee. "If I had the power to fire her, I would have fired her," he said.

In his 2006 book, Hillary's Pursuit of Power, Zeifman did not allege any firing of Hillary, preface at page 11.

Because of a number of her unethical practices I eventually decided that I could not recommend Hillary for any subsequent position of public or private trust. I also took the same position regarding her immediate supervisor, Bernie Nussbaum.

Jerry Zeifman, Accuracy in Media February 5, 2008,

My own reaction was of regret that, when I terminated her employment on the Nixon impeachment staff, I had not reported her unethical practices to the appropriate bar associations.

Radio interview with Neal Boortz, April 2008,

Well, let me put it this way. I terminated her, along with some other staff members who were — we no longer needed, and advised her that I would not — could not recommend her for any further positions.

In a 2008 radio interview, Zeifman stated he terminated her, along with some other stafff members who were no longer needed.

After Nixon resigned and Gerald Ford was the President, there was nothing for the Impeachment Inquiry Staff left to do but close up shop and leave. The entire staff was terminated. None was fired. The urban legend or eRumor started with the crap written by Dan Calabrese.

http://www.truthorfiction.com/clinton-watergate/

Hillary Clinton’s former boss says he fired her from an investigative position because she was a “liar” and “unethical”-Truth! & Fiction!

POLITICS
Truth or Fiction
03.17.15

Summary of eRumor:

As a 27-year-old working on the Watergate investigation in the 1970s, Hillary Rodham Clinton was “fired” from her position for being a “liar” and “unethical”.

The Truth:

It’s true that Hillary Clinton’s ex-boss has accused her of being a “liar” and “unethical” during the House Judiciary Committee’s impeachment inquiry into Watergate, but claims that she was fired for those reasons are false.

Claims that Hillary Clinton had been fired from the impeachment inquiry first went viral during her 2008 presidential bid. A column written by Dan Calabrese, the founder of Northstar Writers Group, appeared in countless forwarded emails, and the eRumor was born.

The column was inspired by statements made by Jerry Zeifman, a Democrat who served as counsel and chief of staff for the House Judiciary Committee during the Watergate investigation. Zeifman’s book, “Hillary’s Pursuit of Power,” and comments that he made on his website, which is no longer active, have been critical of Hillary Rodham Clinton’s actions during the Watergate investigation, and in the years that followed.

Jerry Zeifman said he supervised Hillary Rodham Clinton as she worked on the team that worked on the Watergate impeachment inquiry, and that during the investigation Hillary Clinton had “…engaged in a variety of self-serving, unethical practices in violation of House rules.”

Specifically, Jerry Zeifman said Hillary Rodham Clinton and others wanted Richard Nixon to remain in office so Democratic Senator Ted Kennedy would have a better chance of being elected president. Zeifman said a young lawyer who shared an office with Clinton came to him in August of 1974 to apologize that he and Clinton had lied to him. The lawyer, John Labovitz, is quoted as saying that he was dismayed with “…her erroneous legal opinions and efforts to deny Nixon representation by counsel — as well as an unwillingness to investigate Nixon.”

Jerry Zeifman also said that Hillary Rodham Clinton regularly consulted with Ted Kennedy’s chief political strategist, which was a violation of House rules. Zeifman said in addition to helping Ted Kennedy win the presidency, Democrats also didn’t want Nixon to face an impeachment trial because they feared he might bring up abuses of office by President John Kennedy as part of his defense.

But while Jerry Zeifman has been consistent in his criticism of Hillary Rodham Clinton’s work on the Watergate investigation, circumstances surrounding her termination are less clear. In a 1999 interview with the Scripps Howard News Service, Zeifman said he didn’t have the power to fire Clinton, or else he would have:

“Zeifman does not have flattering memories of Rodham’s work on the committee. ‘If I had the power to fire her, I would have fired her,’ he said.

Zeifman said Rodham sparked a bitter battle among Democrats by recommending the Judiciary Committee deny Nixon’s lawyers the right to attend the closed-door meetings.

‘Can you imagine that? This was a committee of lawyers and members of the bar, and she was saying the committee should deny the president representation,’ he said.

After a lengthy behind-the-scenes debate, Zeifman said the committee decided Nixon’s lawyers could attend.”

In an interview on the Neal Boortz Show in 2008, Jerry Zeifman altered his claim about Hillary’s termination from the Watergate investigation:

“Well, let me put it this way: I terminated her, along with some other staff members who were — were no longer needed, and advised her that I would not — could not — recommend her for any further positions.”

When pressed, Zeifman said he couldn’t recommend Hillary Rodham Clinton for future positions, “Because of her unethical conduct.” Despite that, however, Clinton was terminated because she was “no longer needed” — not because she had lied, according to Zeifman’s own account.

But in a 2008 column Zeifman wrote, “My own reaction was of regret, when I terminated her employment on the Nixon impeachment staff, I had not reported her unethical practices to the appropriate bar associations.”

In 2008, Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign replied to Zeifman’s claims directly by saying, “In a column circulating on the Internet Jerry Zeifman alleges that Hillary was fired from her job on the House Judiciary Committee in the 1970s. This is false. Hillary was not fired.” That website has since been taken offline.

Posted 04/7/08 Updated 02/17/15

nolu chan  posted on  2015-04-12   20:15:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: sneakypete (#83)

You must be trying to get Hillary elected. This crap ranks right up there with the Barry Soetoro bullshit. All the birther insanity helped him and discredited the opposition.

I note that you have provided no source by your senile vacationing memory for your assertions. It is always relevant exactly what nutjob you are cribbing from.

Even if your unsupported drivel were true, it would not constitute treason.

[sneakypete #4] On the other hand,BOTH Clintons have been involved in treason since their college days.

[nolu chan #64] What do you recall Bill Clinton did in his college days that involved levying war against the United States, or, adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort?

[sneakypete #83 re Bill Clinton] You mean other than dodging the draft and visiting Russia,where he was wined and dined by prominent communists,including one lady in Moscow that worked for Stalin during the Revolution? Bubba Bill even slept at her apartment,and admitted this when he visited Moscow as president and invited her to a dinner party he threw and introducted her as one of his hosts during his commie tour.

He also visited the North Korean embassy in Moscow.

Yes, I meant what I asked. I provided the defined acts required for there to be treason from the Constitution. You have cited your usual bullshit.

Do you maintain,
1. allegedly "dodging the draft", or
2. "visiting Russia", or,
3. "visiting the North Korean embassy in Moscow"
was:

  • levying war against the United States?, or
  • adhering to their enemies? or,
  • giving them aid and comfort?

- - -

[nolu chan #64] What do you recall Hillary Rodham Clinton did in her college days that involved levying war against the United States, or, adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort?

[sneakypete #83 re Hillary Rodham Clinton] You mean other than working with some of the leaders in the CPUSA,and supporting them?

Do you maintain,
"4. Allegedly working with some of the leaders in the CPUSA, and supporting them"
was:

  • levying war against the United States?, or
  • adhering to their enemies? or,
  • giving them aid and comfort?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleiii#section3

Section 3.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.

[nolu chan #64] What do you recall Hillary Rodham Clinton did in her college days that involved levying war against the United States, or, adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort?

[sneakypete #83 re Hillary Rodham Clinton] You mean other than working with some of the leaders in the CPUSA,and supporting them?

So do these "leaders in the CPUSA" have names?

What did she allegedly do? Do you refer to working as a summer intern with the law firm of Treuhaft, Walker and Burnstein? Did everyone who worked at the law firm commit treason? Do you have some special insight about your definition of treason?

Are you always so pathetic? Or do you really want to discredit Hillary's opposition by painting them all as nut jobs?

nolu chan  posted on  2015-04-12   20:16:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: nolu chan (#101)

You must be trying to get Hillary elected.

No,that would be you.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-13   0:35:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: sneakypete (#102)

Absurd claims that Barack Obama was really Barry Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen, worked so well that you want to emulate it and drag out all the ridiculous claims about Hillary.

It must be time to water my pet geranium and see if it sprouts brains.

In review, your nonsense,

BOTH Clintons have been involved in treason since their college days.

Of course, everybody who goes to Russia commits treason and every day any employee went to work at the law firm of Treuhaft, Walker and Burnstein, they committed treason.

Hillary was even caught manufacturing evidence against Nixon when she worked for the Watergate committee,

Except she wasn’t and you have yet to recall who you recollected caught her or what evidence she was caught manufacturing.

and hiding evidence favorable to him

Except you have yet to recall what evidence you recollected she hid or how it was favorable to the very guilty Richard Nixon.

and was fired for it by Archibald Cox

Except she was never fired by anyone, and never worked for Archibald Cox.

with the recommendation that "she never be hired or appointed to any position of trust with the government in the future."

She was never fired and she received no such recommendation. 24 years after Watergate, Jerry Zeifman said, “If I had the power to fire her, I would have fired her.” Jerry Zeifman wrote in 1995, “Rodham performed her job admirably.”

nolu chan  posted on  2015-04-14   22:33:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: sneakypete, redleghunter (#4)

Nixon,but ALL he was guilty of was participating in the coverup. He had no part in the actual crime.

Article 2

Using the powers of the office of President of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in disregard of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has repeatedly engaged in conduct violating the constitutional rights of citizens, impairing the due and proper administration of justice and the conduct of lawful inquiries, or contravening the laws governing agencies of the executive branch and the purposed of these agencies.

This conduct has included one or more of the following:

  1. He has, acting personally and through his subordinates and agents, endeavoured to obtain from the Internal Revenue Service, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, confidential information contained in income tax returns for purposed not authorized by law, and to cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigations to be intitiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner.

  2. He misused the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Secret Service, and other executive personnel, in violation or disregard of the constitutional rights of citizens, by directing or authorizing such agencies or personnel to conduct or continue electronic surveillance or other investigations for purposes unrelated to national security, the enforcement of laws, or any other lawful function of his office; he did direct, authorize, or permit the use of information obtained thereby for purposes unrelated to national security, the enforcement of laws, or any other lawful function of his office; and he did direct the concealment of certain records made by the Federal Bureau of Investigation of electronic surveillance.

  3. He has, acting personally and through his subordinates and agents, in violation or disregard of the constitutional rights of citizens, authorized and permitted to be maintained a secret investigative unit within the office of the President, financed in part with money derived from campaign contributions, which unlawfully utilized the resources of the Central Intelligence Agency, engaged in covert and unlawful activities, and attempted to prejudice the constitutional right of an accused to a fair trial.

  4. He has failed to take care that the laws were faithfully executed by failing to act when he knew or had reason to know that his close subordinates endeavoured to impede and frustrate lawful inquiries by duly constituted executive, judicial and legislative entities concerning the unlawful entry into the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee, and the cover-up thereof, and concerning other unlawful activities including those relating to the confirmation of Richard Kleindienst as Attorney General of the United States, the electronic surveillance of private citizens, the break-in into the offices of Dr. Lewis Fielding, and the campaign financing practices of the Committee to Re-elect the President.

  5. In disregard of the rule of law, he knowingly misused the executive power by interfering with agencies of the executive branch, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Criminal Division, and the Office of Watergate Special Prosecution Force, of the Department of Justice, and the Central Intelligence Agency, in violation of his duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed.

In all of this, Richard M. Nixon has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.

Wherefore Richard M. Nixon, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office.

Adopted 28-10 by the Committee on the Judiciary of the House of Representatives.

http://www.senate.gov/CRSReports/crs-publish.cfm?pid=%26*2%3C4RL%3B9%0A

1. Conspiracy. President Nixon, H. R. Haldeman, John Ehrlichman, Charles Colson, John Dean, John Mitchell, Herbert Kalmbach, and Maurice Stans, in concert with and abetted by others, conspired together to devise and carry out a plan or scheme to commit various crimes against numerous citizens of the United States who opposed the policies of Richard M. Nixon. President Nixon and his coconspirators thereby conspired to commit burglary in violation of 22 D.C. Code 1801; violated federal statutes making it a crime to wiretap, section 2510 et seq. of the United States Criminal Code (Title 18, U.S.C.); conspired to deprive citizens of civil rights in violation of section 241 of the Criminal Code; conspired to violate other federal statutes (e.g., the wiretap statute) in violation of section 371 of the Criminal Code; violated the President's constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, article 11, section 3; violated the First amendment rights of persons to freedom of speech, and violated the Fourth amendment rights of persons to be secure from unreasonable searches and seizures. Pursuant to the plan or scheme specified in Count 1, President Nixon and his co-conspirators:

2. Illegal Wiretaps. Caused wiretaps to be placed on the telephones of seventeen persons without having obtained a court order authorizing the tap, as required by federal law; in violation of sections 241, 371 and 2510-11 of the Criminal Code.

3. Conspiracy to Suppress Free Speech. Caused harassment, by means of tax audits and other acts by the Internal Revenue Service, of named persons designated as political "enemies" of President Nixon for the purpose of inhibiting or preventing their exercise of First amendment rights, in violation of section 241 of the Criminal Code.

4. Conspiracy to Commit Burglary and Other Crimes. Caused the creation and adoption of a so called "domestic intelligence plan" for securing information about American citizens, under which plan it was intended to commit unlawful acts of burglary, wiretapping, bugging and the opening of mail; in violation of sections 241 and 371 of the Criminal Code.

5. Burglary. Caused the creation of a "special investigations unit," called "the Plumbers," in which were employed, inter alia, G. Gordon Liddy and E. Howard Hunt, which carried out a burglary on September 3, 1972 of the office of Lewis Fielding, M.D. in Los Angeles, California, for the purpose of obtaining evidence for use in the trial of Daniel Ellsberg; in violation of sections 182.1, 459, 6020(j) and 647(a) of the California Penal Code and section 241 of the Criminal Code.

6. Obstruction of Justice. Attempted to influence a United States District Court Judge, Hon. W. Matthew Byrne, in a matter then pending trial before him, to wit, the prosecution by the United States of Daniel Ellsberg for violation of the espionage statutes, by suggesting to Judge Byrne that he might be appointed as Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation; in violation of sections 371 and 1503 of the Criminal Code.

7. Conspiracy to Commit Crimes to Influence the Election. Adopted a plan or scheme proposed by G. Gordon Liddy to employ various unlawful devices, including wiretaps, illegal entries, assault and battery and prostitution, to influence the results of the 1972 Presidential election in a manner favorable to Richard M. Nixon; in violation of section 371 of the Criminal Code.

8. Burglary. Caused the commission of two acts of burglary on May 27, 1972 and June 17, 1972, by the "Plumbers" into the offices of the Democratic National Committee in the Watergate Office Building, 2500 Virginia Avenue, N.W., in the District of Columbia, in violation of 22 D.C. Code 1801; the placing therein of a telephone wiretap in violation of section 2510 of the Criminal Code; in violation of sections 241 and 371 of the Criminal Code.

9. Obstruction of Justice, Perjury. Concealed the complicity of high officials of the White House staff and of the campaign Committee to Re-Elect the President in the acts specified in Counts 7 and 8, for the purpose of defeating and preventing criminal prosecutions by the United States, by (a) destroying documentary evidence, (b) concealing the existence of documentary evidence, (c) promising executive clemency and paying money and causing money to be paid to G. Gordon Liddy, E. Howard Hunt, Bernard Barker, Virgilio Gonzales, Frank Sturgis, James McCord and Eugenio Martinez to induce them, and which did induce them, to plead guilty to charges of burglary and to withhold testimony and to refuse to testify before a grand jury and at trial, (d) suborning perjury by Jeb S. Magruder at the trial of Liddy, et al.; in violation of sections 371, 1503, 1510, 1621 and 1622 of the Criminal Code.

10. Conspiracy to Defraud the United States. President Nixon, H. R. Haldeman, John Ehrlichman, Charles Colson, John Dean, Herbert Kalmbach and Maurice Stans, in concert with and aided and abetted by others, conspired to devise and carry out a plan or scheme to obtain money to spend for and- in support of the reelection of Richard M. Nixon as President of the United States in 1972, in which they employed various unlawful means, to wit, obtaining campaign contributions from corporations and foreign nationals in violation of sections 610 and 613 of the Criminal Code, and soliciting and/or obtaining campaign contributions from individuals, political committees, corporations and foreign nationals in exchange for promises of governmental benefit and/or the withholding of governmental sanctions and/or the cessation of governmental law enforcement action; in violation of article II, section 4 of the Constitution and sections 201, 241, 371, 1503 and 1505 of the Criminal Code. Pursuant to the plan or scheme specified in Count 10, President Nixon and his co-conspirators:

11. Illegal Campaign Contributions from Corporations. Solicited and obtained before April 7, 1972, campaign contributions from seven corporations, in violation of sections 371 and 610 of the Criminal Code, and by means of express or implied promises of governmental benefits and/or threats of the withholding of governmental benefits; in violation of sections 201, 371 and 872 of the Criminal Code.

12. Bribery, Fraud. Solicited a contribution of $200,000 to $400,000 and obtained a contribution of $100,000 from the ITT Corporation promised on July 21, 1971, and delivered on August 5, 1971 to support the Republican National Convention expected to be held in San Diego, California; by means of promises, express or implied, to obtain a decision by the Antitrust Division of the Department of Justice, which decision was obtained on July 31, 1971, to accept a consent decree which permitted ITT to retain the Hartford Fire Insurance Co., which the Antitrust Division had theretofore opposed by the filing and prosecution of a civil antitrust action in the United States District Court for the District of Connecticut; in violation of article 11, section 4 of the Constitution and sections 201, 271, 872 and 1505 of the Criminal Code.

13. Bribery, Fraud. Solicited and obtained a promise of a campaign contribution of $2,000,000 for President Nixon's reelection campaign from Associated Milk Producers, Inc. (AMPI), a dairy farm cooperative, in exchange for conferring on December 31, 1970, a governmental benefit on AMPI, to wit, the promulgation by President Nixon of reduced quotas for imports of dairy products; in violation of article 11, section 4 of the Constitution and sections 201, 371, 872 and 1505 of the Criminal Code.

14. Bribery, Fraud. Solicited and obtained from three dairy producer cooperatives a promise of contributions to President Nixon's reelection campaign and obtained at least $427,500 in such contributions, from March 22, 1971, to November 6, 1972, in exchange for conferring upon the three cooperatives on March 25, 1971, a governmental benefit, to wit, an increase ordered by the Secretary of Agriculture in the minimum price support level for dairy products for 1971-72 from $4.66 to $4.93 per 100 lbs. of fluid manufacturing grade milk; at a cost of $125 million to the Treasury of the United States and to the profit of the dairy industry of $500 to $700 million; in violation of article 11, section 4 of the Constitution and sections 201, 371, 872 and 1505 of the Criminal Code.

15. Conspiracy. Solicited and obtained from AMPI's political committee, TAPE, a contribution of $5,000, delivered on September 3, 1973, at a meeting which President Nixon attended, part of the funds obtained as specified in Count 14, expressly for the purpose of paying the costs of the "plumbers"'burglary of the office of Dr. Lewis Fielding specified in Count 8; in violation of sections 241 and 371 of the Criminal Code.

16. Bribery, Fraud. Solicited and obtained for the reelection campaign of President Nixon, from Robert Allen, President of Gulf Resources and Chemical Co., Inc., on April 3-5, 1972, a contribution of $100,000 of corporate funds in violation of section 610 of the Criminal Code, in exchange for the cessation and withholding, on March 29, 1972, of civil enforcement action by the Environmental Protection Agency of the United States Government to abate air and water pollution by Gulf Resources and Chemical Company's subsidiary Bunker Hill Company's lead and zinc smelter in Idaho; in violation of article 11, section 4 of the Constitution and sections 201, 371, 872 and 1505 of the Criminal Code.

17. Bribery, Fraud. Solicited and obtained for the reelection campaign of President Nixon, on April 9, 1972, from Dwayne O. Andreas, a contribution of $25,000, in exchange for conferring upon Andreas and other persons associated with him a governmental benefit, to wit, the approval by the Comptroller of the Currency of a national bank charter sought by Andreas and his associates, applied for on May 26, 1972 and approved on August 22, 1972; in violation of article II, section 4 of the Constitution and sections 201,- 371, 872 and 1505 of the Criminal Code.

18. Conspiracy. Solicited and obtained the contributions specified in Counts 16 and 17 for the purpose, in part, of paying for the burglary of Democratic National Committee headquarters specified in Count 8, in violation of sections 241 and 371 of the Criminal Code and 22 D.C. Code 1801.

19. Bribery, Fraud, Illegal Foreign Campaign Contributions. Solicited and obtained for the reelection campaign of President Nixon, in April and in October, 1972, contributions totalling $25,000, from Nikos Vardinoyannis, a Greek national; in violation of Section 613 of the Criminal Code, and in exchange for conferring upon Vardinoyannis a governmental benefit, to wit, a contract for $4.7 million in U.S. government funds to supply fuel for the U.S. Sixth Fleet in Piraeus, Greece; in violation of article II, section 4 of the Constitution and sections 201, 371, 872 and 1505 of the Criminal Code.

20. Bribery, Fraud. Solicited and obtained for the reelection campaign of President Nixon, in August, 1972, from officers of carpet manufacturing fines, Martin B. Seretean, Eugene T. Barwick and J. C. Shaw, contributions totalling more than $200,000 in exchange for conferring upon the carpet industry governmental benefits, to wit, a meeting at the White House with Charles Colson and other government officials, including officials from the Department of Commerce, and the withholding by the Department of Commerce of action opposed by the carpet industry, to wit, the introduction of a test for flammability of carpets more stringent and of higher safety than the current test, in violation of article 11, section 4 of the Constitution and sections 201, 371, 872 and 1505 of the Criminal Code.

21. Bribery, Fraud. Solicited and obtained for the reelection campaign of President Nixon, in June, July and August, 1972, from Ray A. Kroc, Chairman of the Board of McDonald's, Inc., contributions of $200,000, in exchange for permission from the Price Commission, first denied on May 21, 1972, then granted on September 8, 1972, to raise the price of the McDonald's quarter Nixon Articles of Impeachment http://classes.lls.edu/archive/manheimk/371d1/nixonarticles.html 7 of 9 11/16/2011 10:49 AM pounder cheeseburger, in violation of article II, section 4 of the Constitution and Section 201, 372, 872 and 1505 of the Criminal Code.

22. Bribery, Fraud. Solicited and obtained for the reelection campaign of President Nixon, from the Seafarer's International Union, on November 2, 1972, a contribution of $100,000, in exchange for the conferring of a governmental benefit, to wit, the decision of the Department of Justice not to appeal dismissal of an indictment against the Union, filed on June 30, 1970,for violations of section 610 of the Criminal Code prohibiting campaign contributions by Unions; in violation of article II, section 4 of the Constitution and sections 201, 371, 610, 872, 1503 and 1505 of the Criminal Code.

23. Bribery, Fraud. Solicited and obtained for the reelection campaign of President Nixon, from Robert Vesco,.on April 10, 1972, a contribution of $200,000, which was not reported to the General Accounting Office as required by law, in exchange for conferring upon Vesco governmental benefits, to wit, arranging a meeting between his attorney, Harry Sears, and federal law enforcement officials, to wit the Chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, and promises of other benefits, to wit, that John Mitchell and Maurice Stans would use their influence to prevent law enforcement action from being taken against Vesco; in violation of article II, section 4 of the Constitution and sections 201, 371, 872, 1503 and 1505 of the Criminal Code.

24. Bribery, Fraud. Solicited and obtained, purportedly for the 1972 reelection campaign of President Nixon, in 1969 and 1970, contributions tatalling $100,000 from Howard Hughes, in exchange for governmental benefits, to wit, the approval in 1969 by President Nixon, pursuant to authority conferred on the President by law, of the purchase by Hughes of Air West, a CAB certificated airline with international routes; and the withdrawal in 1970 by the Antitrust Division of the Department of Justice of its opposition to acquisition by Hughes of a seventh gambling casino in Las Vegas, Nevada; in violation of article II, Section 4 of the Constitution and sections 201, 371, 872, 1503 and 1505 of the Criminal Code.

25. Receiving Money Unlawfully Obtained. By the means specified in Counts 10-24 Richard Nixon received and obtained for his own use and benefit and did have the use and benefit, for the purpose of financing his campaign for reelection as President, of moneys illegally obtained as specified in Counts 10-24 to a total amount of $1,652,500, which he knew and/or had reason to know had been unlawfully obtained; in violation of article II, section 4 of the Constitution and sections 201, 241, 371, 872, 1503 and 1505 of the Criminal Code.

26. Conspiracy to Defraud the United States. President Nixon, H. R. Haldamn, Herbert Kalmbach, Frank DeMarco, Charles G. Rebezo and Robert Abplanalp, in concert with and aided and abetted by others, devised and carried out a plan or scheme personally to enrich President Nixon by abuse of the power and authority of his office as President; in violation of article II, sectdon I of the Constitution, sections 271, 641, 1001 and 1505 of the CriminalCode, and section 7201 of the Internal Revenue Code. Pursuant to the plan or scheme specified in Count 26, the President and his co-conspirators:

27. Embezzlement, Fraud. Caused the expenditure of public funds, in the amount of more than one million dollars, for materials and labor to improve, adorn and permanently increase the value of President Nixon's privately owned real property in San Clemente, California and Key Biscayne, Florida, in excess of expenditures authorized by law to provide for the security of the President; in violation of article II, section I of the Constitution and sections 371,641 and 1505 of the Criminal Code.

28. Tax Evasion. Caused the filing of federal income tax returns on behalf of Richard M. Nixon, in which were claimed deductions from taxable income in an amount of approximated $270,000 for purported gifts to the United States of papers of Richard M. Nixon, which deductions were known to the co-conspirators to be unallowable because the gift of papers had not been timely made and consummated; in an attempt to evade or defeat the payment of federal income taxes and by reason of which Richard M. Nixon reduced his personal income tax for 1969 to $792.81 and for 1970 to $878.03, and thereby received in 1970 and 1971 large refunds of withheld taxes; in violation of seetion 7201 of the Internal Revenue Code and sections 371 and 1001 of the Criminal Code.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-04-14   22:34:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: nolu chan (#103)

Absurd claims that Barack Obama was really Barry Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen, worked so well that you want to emulate it and drag out all the ridiculous claims about Hillary.

I love the way you state they are "absurd claims" yet never come right out and say they are not true.

It must be time to water my pet geranium and see if it sprouts brains.

Maybe it's time for the geranium to water you?

You are nothing but a Dim shill and wannabe lawyer so out of touch with reality that you think ONE claim that was only a mistake on the surrounding details negates the truth in the core of the message. This ain't court,bucko,and you can't get evidence thrown out because of a misplaced comma.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-15   0:01:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: nolu chan (#104)

Are you really so stupid that you think a mind-numbing list of accusations that were and are partisan in nature and never proven makes the criminals and traitors you support look any better?

The DNC MUST be paying you by the hour.

Couldn't get a job at Wal-Mart?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-15   0:04:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: sneakypete (#95)

Guess what,Bucko! Christians don't run the world.

That's hardly a newsflash. You're only reinforcing my point...That it's subversives and homosexuals actually run it. Politics, the "education system" and the culture provide all the proof I need.

This means you are either going to have to learn to get along with other people and leave them to live their lives in peace,or take a long jump with a short rope. Your choice.

No...what it actually means is that YOU won't be the last to be eaten by the crocodile. There are TWO sides to this Culture War. Pick a side.

They [homofascists] have the EXACT same rights as everyone else.

Uh, no they don't; I just reviewed those special 'Hate Crimes' and Hate Speech' -- just TWO case examples of how homosexuals actually possess MORE "Rights" than normal people. Why are you compelled to ignore that point?

Because there are people who are the mirror-image of you who want the Constitution to protect them by punishing people they don't agree with.

HUH??? "Punish"?? How?? I'll bet you can't clarify this dopey claim. Because it just doesn't exist.

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-15   10:36:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: sneakypete (#96)

I honestly don't give a damn what you,homosexuals,or anyone else thinks. I only care when you lobby to get the laws changed so the government enforces your bigotry and superstition.

First of all, with respect to your fallacious claim that Christians "enforce superstition" (aka belief in God) you have YET to prove that claim as true in all the years we've debated it. And you STILL can't. Give it up -- it's bullsh*t.

As to Claim #2 -- that we "lobby to get laws changed" -- I believe you've got that azz-backwards, Bucko. It's homos who've been doing nothing BUT changing eisting laws, aided and abetted by single judges or courts overturning the will of The People....and NOT through Legislation.

You are delusional. Christians aren't my enemy.

Oh, but they are. Why deny it?

You are a loon if you think America needs to be controlled by a religious cult based on fear and punishment.

Again, you're engaging in fallacious claims. America has NOT controlled by anything but common sense consensus and constitutional/legislative law....UNTIL THE LAST 20 YEARS OR SO. It that time it's been controlled by the tyranny of the few, the perverse, and the usurpers of common sense. That "fear and punishment"? Look around. It's the Left and all their supporters doing so (Homosexuals, liberals, black liberation theologists, Dems, militant atheists, America-haters.) I know it's shocking, but guess which suicidal side you find yourself allied with?

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-15   10:46:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: sneakypete (#97)

(The Left's agenda -- that is to kill God and take down Christianity and the underpinnings of morality.)

Just how powerful do you really think your freaking God is if some unknown person on the internet can kill him with words and logic?

"Killing God" was a metaphor -- I can't believe you couldn't understand it. Oh well.

In clearer terms, the ouster and replacement of God as the ultimate answerable authority, as well as the elimination of any definitive standards of morality is the basis for our current state of confusion, chaos, and collective mental instability.

Moral relativity -- the inability of America to discern and act on the difference between Right and Wrong-- is what has been killing America. And THAT is whether or not you believe in God or not. This acceptable immoral template began right at the top with...Bill Clinton and allowing he his farcical, criminal Presidency to go unpunished.

Again -- one need not be a Christian to understand this irrefutable truth: The Christian ethic and faith has indeed been the traditional foundation and underpinning on from America built its greatness. Tear God away from the America fabric, and you don't have a "good" people, you don't even have an "America"; You have a divided & conquer people of diluted loyalty and common values. The proof of such a claim are the daily headlines, and well the ID and values reflected of the current President.

Btw -- was America a better or worse county before or after "gay marriage" was officially shoved down America's throat? Have American more or less "rights" during the last 20 years?

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-15   11:04:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: sneakypete (#98) (Edited)

Some of the strongarm "bully boys" in leadership positions with the police in the early days were homosexuals,but they were pretty much killed off once Hitler took power.

You're agreeing *with* me in part:

("History" proves that the origins of the Nazi Party were by and large...HOMOSEXUAL.) The point: Hitler's sadistic homosexual Brownshirts provided the muscle and numbers for the Nazi Party movement. Why? Because homosexuals are by nature...fascists.

In fact,you will be happy to know that Hitler and Stalin both agreed with you that homosexuality was a mental disease,and both send them off to be executed or worked to death in labor camps.

Who wasn't tossed into death camps or Gulags?But...but are you saying Hitler and Stalin were both "homophobes"?? :-( Will you be establishing a WWII Gay Victim Museum? When's the pink-ribbon cutting ceremony?

What does it say about a Hitler (who was aid to be homosexual himself) in that he knew enough to recruit homosexuals for his first "army"? Moreover, Hitler STILL retained many homosexual sadists within his upper echelon of command. They just had to keep their little secrets...well, secret. Sort of.

In defense of both fascist nuts, the American Psychiatric Association proclaimed homosexuality a mental disorder up until 1973, when homosexuals tricked its leadership into changing that status. And at NO time in history were homos EVER thought of as anything BUT sick, mentally ill, and f***ed up in the head (cue the Greek/Roma/Muzzie examples.) Still somehow, someway you're going to believe that homosexuality is acceptable, normal behavior? And that the rest of us must accept that notion...or be arrested or fired or ostracized? Chyeah, "freedom." "Rights." FOR WHOM AGAIN??

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-15   11:21:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: nolu chan, sneakypete (#99)

Thanks for the overview, Chan. I enjoy and appreciate your penchant for detail and documentation.

Your respective quibbling is obviously between approaching the issues from your legalese "burden of proof" court perspective, versus that of the presumption of guilt based on "proof" constructed via circumstantial, testimony, and dot-connecting.

With respect to Hitlery's "firing" or technically "let go" from her position and involvement in Nixon's Impeachment proceedings, the unofficial "word on the street" was that Hitlery was sloppy, ventured into darker gray areas, and acted inappropriately in any case (no, please don't ask for citations :-)

Technically and legally, you may be right. But then knowing how history has often been "revised" or redacted when the Clintons (or 0webuma) are the subject, the validity of the official narrative will always be questioned.

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-15   11:40:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: nolu chan, sneakypete (#103) (Edited)

Absurd claims that Barack 0bama was really Barry Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen, worked so well that you want to emulate it and drag out all the ridiculous claims about Hillary.

Omissions and unavailability of information do not dismiss any notion that Barry O's identity and history have not been manipulated in order to hide damaging revelations. Same as in the respective cases of both Hitlery and Bubba....

What of all the missing, unreleased docs and records of 0webuma? The BC shenanigans (and subsequent odd death of Loretta Fuddy, "verifier" of BO's supposed BC -- a BC that had originally been exposed as fake from the outset?) What of 0webuma's SS#? His parental situation? His transcripts? His relationships with Larry Sinclair, his choir member relationship (and murder?) The white-washed relationship with Bill Ayers? Rev. Wright? The prosecution of those who simply looked into his student loans? Etc-etc??

What of Bubba's serial rapes? The mysterious, suspicious death-trail of associates? Mena? Hitlery's involvement with Vince Foster (and Foster's murder and magically placed file?) Etc-Etc.

How can you state without reservation that ANY claim challenging either the 0webumas or the Klintoons are "ridiculous" when it's clear as day that in all cases, shenanigans is the rule rather than exception? It's easy to claim, "WHAT PROOF?!?" when people in high places are manipulating indictable evidence and eliminating witnesses. Or do you also dismiss THAT notion?

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-15   11:59:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Liberator (#112)

Who is this all-knowing "nolu chan" anyway? Why should anyone believe someone who finds it so very important to provide "documentation" on a website that is likely to be read by less than a hundred people?

Is nolu merely an algorithm plug-in or a real person with access to the internet in his or her prison cell?

Zesta  posted on  2015-04-15   12:40:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Zesta, nolu chan (#113)

Who is this all-knowing "nolu chan" anyway? Why should anyone believe someone who finds it so very important to provide "documentation" on a website that is likely to be read by less than a hundred people?

I think nolu is just another inquisitive person and poster who finds these forums a way to vent, connect, and share opinions -- just like most of us.

There are those who believe ALL the "official" versions and narratives created by our elites masters and globalist overseers (nolu, and most of the serfs), those who believe most of the "official" narrative (still too many), and then those of us who scarcely believe a word (like me and maybe you ;-)

Is nolu merely an algorithm plug-in or a real person with access to the internet in his or her prison cell?

Lol...

He's real. But he/she's a stickler for technicality and "facts" (even if some are obviously manufactured.) And of course, he/she is virulently anti-conspiracy, which mean his trust in the people running the system (including the judiciary) is 100%. Free Republic used to be that way. But given our respective observation of events and leadership since Reagan left (and especially since 9/11), we all know that THIS benevolent gubmint would NEVER do anything to hurt us, or collude with subversive international Powers That Be to divide, conquer, and destroy our Republic, the Constitution, and our sovereignty. And WHAT "New World Order"??

OH WAIT...

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-15   13:30:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Liberator (#109) (Edited)

The Christian ethic and faith has indeed been the traditional foundation and underpinning on from America built its greatness.

Close,but Christianity doesn't own the patent on ethic behavior.

Btw -- was America a better or worse county before or after "gay marriage" was officially shoved down America's throat?

Neither. Our problems are related to a thoroughly corrupt ruling class and a population composed of self-centered clowns that think everyone exists to provide for them as individuals. Who marries who has NOTHING to do with it.

Who RAISES who is a hell of a lot more important than who marries who. Parents,who by YOUR definition are all heterosexual moralists,gave up their rights and obligations to raise their own children decades ago,and gladly passed them off to the governemnt. THAT is the root of our problems. We now have multi-generations of children that grew up thinking the government is their daddy and mommy.

Have American more or less "rights" during the last 20 years?

Clearly less,and it had and has nothing to do with sexuality. It has to do with selfishness and the desire to rule.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-15   13:32:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: Liberator (#110)

You're agreeing *with* me in part:

("History" proves that the origins of the Nazi Party were by and large...HOMOSEXUAL.)

Yeah,but that wasn't the part I was agreeing with. It's nothing more than fundie propaganda. I do agree that both fundies and Hitler were/are big fans of the "Big Lie",though.

Hitler did the same thing all your fundie ministers and every other wannabe dictator does,he gathered the people living on the edges of society,and used them as tools to gain power.

And like your fundie ministers,he will abandon them the instant he gains power and doesn't need them anymore. The difference is Hitler hated them enough to have them executed,and for all your dogmatic kneejerk hatred,I doubt you or your cult leader want to execute them. You just want them to somehow "go away".

Still somehow, someway you're going to believe that homosexuality is acceptable, normal behavior?

It IS normal behavior for homosexuals. Just how fucking thick are you that you can't understand that? These people are no threat to you in any way other than political,and you and the other fundies brought that on yourselves by making them political targets. Naturally they move to the side that wants their votes instead of the side that wants them put into mental hospitals.

And truth to be told,people who worship non-existant creatures that live somewhere in the sky who are going to reward them with eternal life for being faithful cult members are a better fit for mental hospitals than people who just want to have sex with the people that sexually attract them.

BTW,what is your thoughts on the fundie ministers that have been caught having homosexual sex,or sex with the married women in their cults?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-15   13:45:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Zesta (#113)

Who is this all-knowing "nolu chan" anyway?

A Dim drone hired to disrupt and stop any criticisms of Bubbette! as she heads off on her White House quest.

His job is to find ONE detail in ANY argument or discussion that hasn't been proven to be true in court,and then imply if that one detail is not proven to be true,the whole argument MUST be false.

That part doesn't offend me. The part that offends me is he's actually stupid enough to think this makes him clever.

He is nothing more than a distraction and a minor cog in the Dim machine.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-15   13:51:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: sneakypete (#115) (Edited)

Christianity doesn't own the patent on ethnic behavior.

I didn't say that, nor was it my intent. Just that America's ethics were Christian-Bible based (even IF one wasn't Christian), while America itself moderated its behavior accordingly and by the Golden Rule.

Our problems are related to a thoroughly corrupt ruling class and a population composed of self-centered clowns that think everyone exists to provide for them as individuals. Who marries who has NOTHING to do with it.

You mean to tell me you can't tell whether America is a better OR worst place once the homofascist agenda kicked in? You have GOT to be kidding me.

That corruption you allude to and self-centered clowns (aka narcissism) defines the Left and the militant gay agenda and insistence (or ELSE!) on acceptance of homo-marriage to a tee. Not that all the problem can be attributed to homofascism -- on that point you're right.

Who RAISES who is a hell of a lot more important than who marries who.

Yes, and since LBJ's Great Leftist Society, fathers were encouraged to leave families, divorces was encouraged, and sodomists were given parental "rights" (where NONE exist.) It's been an epic formula for FUBARing America.

Parents,who by YOUR definition are all heterosexual moralists,gave up their rights and obligations to raise their own children decades ago,and gladly passed them off to the governemnt. THAT is the root of our problems. We now have multi-generations of children that grew up thinking the government is their daddy and mommy.

You're partially absolutely correct -- especially on the surrender of independence ceded to gubmint (especially as Sugar Daddy.) You're right as well as the afore mentioned destruction of the family unit (especially blacks.) But in NO way shape or form have moral hetrosexual/normal people surrendered their respective "rights and obligations" to gubmint to raise their own kids. Don't know how you can conclude that.

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-15   14:21:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: sneakypete (#116) (Edited)

I do agree that both fundies and Hitler were/are big fans of the "Big Lie",though.

Hitler did the same thing all your fundie ministers and every other wannabe dictator does,he gathered the people living on the edges of society,and used them as tools to gain power.

And like your fundie ministers,he will abandon them the instant he gains power and doesn't need them anymore. The difference is Hitler hated them enough to have them executed,and for all your dogmatic kneejerk hatred,I doubt you or your cult leader want to execute them. You just want them to somehow "go away".

Just when you've scaled height of insanity to Mount Everest you've exceeded you own record; Your insanity can now be discussed atop Mount Olympus.

There's no refuting a cartoon character.

It IS normal behavior for homosexuals. Just how fucking thick are you that you can't understand that?

So because sodomists, psychopaths, necrophiliacs, and other assorted mentally ill lunatics all declare themelvces "normal," is reason to accept their mutant sickness, behavior and acts? On what planet are YOU on?

These people are no threat to you in any way other than political...

Oh, is THAT all? And who, genius, do you think controls laws and enforcement? POLITICIANS. Guess who are being coerced to think and act BY LAW a certain way (so not to "offend" sodomists? Yup. SODOMISTS-in-CHARGE.And their tool-box accessories, like you)

BTW,what is your thoughts on the fundie ministers that have been caught having homosexual sex,or sex with the married women in their cults?

They're hypocrites and sinners, and don't belong in leadership positions that represent the word of God.

Next question?

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-15   14:30:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Liberator (#118)

You mean to tell me you can't tell whether America is a better OR worst place once the homofascist agenda kicked in? `

No,and if you were to be honest with yourself,neither can you.

Homosexuals as a group had ZERO political influence prior to the 90's,and in fact any politician or other public figure had negative influence if he or she were a known homosexual. Even that fruit Barney Frank stayed married to a woman and in the closet. Jerry Brown from Ca is still in the closet,and he's a re-run governor of the land of fruits and nuts. His first time as Governor he pretended he and Linda Ronstadt were a couple to give him and her both cover. They are both homosexuals.

American culture had been destroyed a LONG time before homosexuals came out and became a political force. Your,and other fundie Christians claims they destroyed American culture ranks right up there with the insanity you promote that homosexuals being married somehow lessens the value of your own marriages.

Yes, and since LBJ's Great Leftist Society, fathers were encouraged to leave families, divorces was encouraged, and sodomists were given parental "rights" (where NONE exist.) It's been an epic formula for FUBARing America.

No argument there!

But in NO way shape or form have moral hetrosexual/normal people surrendered their respective "rights and obligations" to gubmint to raise their own kids. Don't know how you can conclude that.

If it's not true,how did all those laws get passed and how did they stay on the books? I know that MY claim is the vast majority of the families in this country consist of a heterosexual mother and father,and I assume you agree with this. If this is so where were they when the laws were passed that took away their parental rights (OBLIGATIONS!),and why were and are they silent on these issues?

Trust me,I am as pissed off about this particular issue as your are,since in my mind this is at the root of the whole thing.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-15   15:13:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: Liberator (#119)

So because sodomists, psychopaths, necrophiliacs, and other assorted mentally ill lunatics all declare themelvces "normal,"

It's normal for THEM,and I would love to see every single "sodomist" (sodomite) in your church outed as sodomites and kicked out of your church. If that were to happen,there wouldn't be enough members there next Sunday to hold a bridge game.

I suspect you might even be out looking for a new church to attend.

BTW,are you really and truly so ignorant that you put sodomites (if you are going to rant and rave about how you hate something,you should at least use the correct word) in the same category as psychopaths,necrophiliacs,and other mentally ill people?

BTW,in YOUR opinion,are cult members mentally ill?

is reason to accept their mutant sickness, behavior and acts?

It's not for me to accept or not accept. It's none of my business and I don't even want to know about it. *I* am not the one obsessed with homosexuality.

On what planet are YOU on?

Earth. You should take the time for a long visit here sometime. Nice place,mostly.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-15   15:21:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: sneakypete (#120)

Linda Ronstadt

My goodness she was a looker, back in the day.

Biff Tannen  posted on  2015-04-15   23:23:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: Fred Mertz (#91)

You noticed that, did you. Lol

Biff Tannen  posted on  2015-04-15   23:25:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: Biff Tannen (#122)

Linda Ronstadt

My goodness she was a looker, back in the day.

And had the voice of a angel.

Now she has some sort of disease that can't be treated that prevents her from singing. I know she is old now and not touring or making records like she used to,but her losing her voice is still a loss to the world.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-04-16   1:08:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: sneakypete (#120)

You mean to tell me you can't tell whether America is a better OR worst place once the homofascist agenda kicked in? ` No,and if you were to be honest with yourself,neither can you.

YOU DON'T KNOW IF HAVING TO BAKE A CAKE FOR YOUR FAG RELATIVES MAKES US BETTER.

IF YOU DON'T KNOW THAT YOU ARE

1. A FAGGOT

2. YOU ARE AN IMMORAL FOOL

3. FAGS ARE SHARING THE CAKE WITH YOU AND YOU LIKE SLAVES MAKING YOUR CAKE.

Pete your vision for the future is evil. People who try to implement your vision should be put down like a rabid dog.

You're not smart.

You're not clever.

You're not moral.

You're immoral.

Your memory the past America doesn't exist.

Pete look in the mirror you're and meguro are the problem.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-04-16   6:33:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: sneakypete (#120)

Jerry Brown from Ca is still in the closet,

How do you khow? Did you see him in your closet with you?

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-04-16   6:34:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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