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Title: Video Captures Violent Attack on St. Louis Train That Began After Michael Brown Question
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URL Source: http://ktla.com/2015/03/27/cellphon ... -question-about-michael-brown/
Published: Mar 29, 2015
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2015-03-29 08:11:24 by out damned spot
Keywords: St. Louis, Brown, attack
Views: 18213
Comments: 82

WARNING: THIS VIDEO CONTAINS IMAGES AND LANGUAGE THAT MAY OFFEND SOME VIEWERS.

VIDEO

When one man sat down next to a second man in a St. Louis light rail car late Monday and asked him his opinion on the shooting of Michael Brown, it was not the beginning of a discussion.

It was the start of an assault, police said.

The second man, who was white, didn’t want to answer the question. Then the first man, who was black, boxed him in the face. Two more African-American men joined in the beating, according to a police report.

It was caught on surveillance cameras on the MetroLink train and a passenger recorded it with a cell phone and posted the video online. It has gone viral.

Police confirmed to CNN affiliate KMOV that the online images came from Monday’s attack.

Late commute

The victim, 43, was commuting home when a young man in a red T-shirt and cap walked up to him. The victim asked not to be named in media reports.

The man asked to use the victim’s cell phone. He declined, and the young man sat down beside him.

“Then he asked me my opinion on the Michael Brown thing,” the victim told KMOV, “and I responded I was too tired to think about it right now.”

The suspect, in his twenties, stood up.

“The next thing I know, he sucker punches me right in the middle of my face,” the victim said. The video showed the suspect unleashing a barrage of punches at the head of the victim, who covered himself with his hand and forearms.

The two other men, also in their twenties, joined in, police said. As the train pulled into a station, a security guard saw part of the beating and alerted police.

The man in the red T-shirt could be seen on video kicking at the victim’s face before the train’s doors opened and the assailants ran out.

Faces on camera

The train’s surveillance cameras captured clear images of their faces, which MetroLink passed on to journalists. Police are looking for the three men.

They face possible charges of third-degree assault, police said. It is a misdemeanor under Missouri law.

The victim was left with bruises on his face and forehead, police said. The first punch dug the frame of his eyeglasses into the skin of his nose, the victim said. He declined to receive medical treatment.

But then there was the emotional pain. On the video, people could be heard laughing while the man was beaten.

“I think it was disgusting that people were sort of laughing and smiling about it,” the victim said. “And no one offered to help. No one seemed to call 911.”

Condemnation of the beating has spread across social media, including from people who protested the shooting of Brown last year by a white police officer in Ferguson, Missouri. The officer was not indicted in Brown’s death. St. Louis alderman Antonio French, a vocal community leader in the aftermath of Ferguson, tweeted his disappointment in the beating.

“Mike Brown question sparks MetroLink beating caught on video,” he wrote. “This is disgusting. We have a major problem, STL.”

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#1. To: All (#0)

St. Louis public transit camera captures images of beating suspects.

http://www.tedcruz.org

out damned spot  posted on  2015-03-29   8:17:48 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: out damned spot (#1)

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-29   8:51:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: out damned spot (#0)

Paging Bernie Goetz! Paging Bernie Goetz!

misterwhite  posted on  2015-03-29   9:05:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: TooConservative (#2)

Ok,what I am going to have to say here ain't going to be popular,but here goes.

The white puss deserved to get the snot beat out of him because he sat there like a little punk crying for him mommy while the black thug wannabes hit him with all the power of a 12 year old Girl Scout. I could maybe see it if the guy had given him a serious smack hard enough for a minor concussion,but all that would have done to me would have been to piss me off and make me want to kill you.

White people,listen up! Blacks and browns are going to keep beating the snot out of you for no reason at all other than they can for EXACTLY as long as you continue to let them do it,while whimpering and begging for more.

I can guarantee you that even as old and crippled up as I am,if that SOB had hit me like he hit that punk sitting in the seat,he wouldn't have hit me twice before he was on his way to the ER to get his nuts put in a sling,and at least one of his eyes put back in the socket. I can guarantee you that if that had happened the first 30 seconds of the assault,the other two cowards would have been looking out the window and hoping nobody would beat on them instead of jumping in.

And "No,I ain't playing at being a tough guy". You are sitting down with an open area in front of you,and this bozo comes up and starts punching on you at a level where all you have to do to take out his nuts is to punch straight forward,and after that you OWN his ass so you might as well use a thumb to gouge the MoFo's eye out while you are at it so he can scream loud enough to impress his bros so they hear their mama's calling.

And all that is if I don't just shoot him and be done with it.

White people start doing that and non-white people will stop attacking you for no reason.

On the other hand,they will continue to attack you as long as there is no down side for them.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-29   9:12:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: out damned spot (#0)

"The man in the red T-shirt could be seen on video kicking at the victim’s face"

In my opinion that elevates it to second degree assault -- a felony -- since the shoe could be considered a deadly weapon and the intent was to cause bodily harm.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-03-29   9:13:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: misterwhite (#3)

Paging Bernie Goetz! Paging Bernie Goetz!

Paging anyone who has even a trace of self-respect.

Hell,I want to slap that white puss around a little myself. Maybe he would man up a little.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-29   9:13:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: misterwhite (#5)

In my opinion that elevates it to second degree assault -- a felony -- since the shoe could be considered a deadly weapon and the intent was to cause bodily harm.

Not really. He's a black thug. He's wearing a pair of Felony Fliers he shoplifted somewhere,not shoes with leather soles and steel caps.

Hell,he would do more damage kicking you with his bare foot than with sneakers.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-29   9:17:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: out damned spot (#0)

"When one man sat down next to a second man in a St. Louis light rail car late Monday and asked him his opinion on the shooting of Michael Brown, it was not the beginning of a discussion."

Since this preceeded the attack, can't we assume this was a hate crime? Yet, no mention.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-03-29   9:17:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: misterwhite (#8)

Since this preceeded the attack, can't we assume this was a hate crime?

No. He is white and the guy attacking him was black,and that makes it a "Juz-tiz" crime. All he will get will be high 5's from his homies for beating on a cracka too terrified to fight back.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-29   9:19:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: misterwhite (#8)

Since this preceeded [preceded] the attack, can't we assume this was a hate crime? Yet, no mention.

These were love taps of genuine affection; of course, there shall be no mention in the publick news.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-03-29   9:35:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: sneakypete (#4)

I can guarantee you that even as old and crippled up as I am,if that SOB had hit me like he hit that punk sitting in the seat,he wouldn't have hit me twice before he was on his way to the ER to get his nuts put in a sling,and at least one of his eyes put back in the socket. I can guarantee you that if that had happened the first 30 seconds of the assault,the other two cowards would have been looking out the window and hoping nobody would beat on them instead of jumping in.

Did you watch the video?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-03-29   10:15:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: out damned spot (#0)

Are there any videos of white people committing crimes like these? Seriously.

All I see, day after day, are blacks beating on white people, playing the "knockout game", fighting in McDonalds, mobbing and robbing stores, fighting in school, etc.

How can black people ever question why there are a disproportionate number of blacks arrested or in jail when they're presented with this irrefutable, documented evidence every day?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-03-29   10:32:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: misterwhite (#3)

Paging Bernie Goetz! Paging Bernie Goetz!

Nevermind Goetz -- "Paging Rambo!!

The awful truth: Freakin' animals have being been taught and trained at birth to hate Whitey. The regime merely validated all their imagined entitled rage and hatred and encouraged it to be acted out in deed. (cue the news-reel of 0bola's Rev. Wright's "chickens come to roost" hate-sermon.)

This evil Regime has done nothing but foment hatred, violence, and enmity throughout the entire world since DAY ONE.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-29   10:37:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: out damned spot, misterwhite (#0)

Louis alderman Antonio French, a vocal community leader in the aftermath of Ferguson, tweeted his disappointment in the beating.

“Mike Brown question sparks MetroLink beating caught on video,” he wrote. “This is disgusting. We have a major problem, STL.”

Gee, ya think, Antonio??

This isn't a "problem," this is a disaster waiting to happen. Of course 0bola and the fascist-Left is just chomping at the bit to declare Martial Law once some well-prepared "Bible/Gun-Clinger" takes out a bunch of thugs, a la Goetz.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-29   10:41:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Liberator (#13)

The awful truth: Freakin' animals have being been taught and trained at birth to hate Whitey.

Maybe you can go downtown; meet with them and pray for them and change their ways?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-03-29   10:43:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: sneakypete (#4)

I kicked a black guys ass before. His name was James. I was kicking his ass and one of his 8 siblings came to help. His brother Mark. Then my brother came to my aid and we kicked their asses. They ran in the house.

They were my next door neighbors when I was about 15 living on a military base.

Later we were friends again. I was playing James in some 21 basketball. I noticed that he was a lot more solid then months earlier. He would have been a bigger challenge if we went at it again. But we didn't.

I actually liked James. His mother was a weirdo though. Jehovas Witness.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-29   10:46:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#16)

I actually liked James. His mother was a weirdo though. Jehovas Witness.

Aren't Jehovah Witnesses considered "Christian" like you?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-03-29   10:49:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: out damned spot (#0)

I bought a 3X Black Tshirt that has printed on it... "Breathe easy, Don't break the law". I bought it one size bigger than I normally wear because it will be added to my collection of shirts that I carry a full sized Glock under. With an IWB holster, tucked between my right pocket and my right ass cheek, you can't even see the outline of the gun with a long oversized Tshirt covering it.

If some inner city reverse racist doesn't like my opinion or my freedom and liberty to wear my shirt proudly, and they should act like this piece of shit... I'll take every ounce of his freedom away by turning the top of his head into a salsa bowl.

Just give me the justification for DPF... I know how to testify.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-03-29   10:50:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: buckeroo (#17)

Aren't Jehovah Witnesses considered "Christian" like you?

No they are considered a cult by Christians.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-29   10:55:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Liberator (#13)

"Freakin' animals have being been taught and trained at birth to hate Whitey."

I saw one of these animals interviewed some time ago. He said flat out that he has no respect for white people who refuse to defend themselves and, because of that, they deserve it.

(That's a rough translation from Ebonics with obscenities removed, punctuation added, and grammatically corrected.)

misterwhite  posted on  2015-03-29   10:55:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#19)

No they are considered a cult by Christians.

Have you ever considered that they consider themselves as "Christians" and may consider all other faiths or sects to be "cults?"

buckeroo  posted on  2015-03-29   10:57:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: buckeroo (#21)

Have you ever considered that they consider themselves as "Christians" and may consider all other faiths or sects to be "cults?"

They probably think that.

They don't follow scripture. They take away from it and probably add to it also.

That is how you know they are a cult.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-29   11:01:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: A K A Stone (#22)

They don't follow scripture.

How?

They may be able to help these violent street people, particularly since Jehovah Witnesses walk the streets and meet with people spreading, "the WORD."

buckeroo  posted on  2015-03-29   11:03:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: buckeroo (#23)

How?

They may be able to help these violent street people, particularly since Jehovah Witnesses walk the streets and meet with people spreading, "the WORD."

One example. They say there is no Hell.

I actually like it when one knocks on my door. We chat until they flee.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-29   11:05:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: sneakypete (#4)

I have a better solution. Avoid nigger neighborhoods and areas and events niggers are known to frequent.

Logsplitter  posted on  2015-03-29   11:07:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: GrandIsland (#18)

"Just give me the justification for DPF... I know how to testify."

I'm half-tempted to move to St. Louis and just ride the trains all day.

We all ask ourselves, "What is God's purpose for me?" Maybe that's mine.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-03-29   11:07:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: buckeroo (#23)

www.dianedew.com/jwfalset.htm Watchtower.teaching

Teaching of Scripture

THE DEITY OF JESUS CHRIST

Jesus was an angel who became a man (Watchtower, 5/15/63, p 307). He was just a man, however -- not God in the flesh (Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1985, p 306). Jesus is/was fully God and fully man. See The Deity of Jesus Christ THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS

Jesus was only 'spiritually' raised, not physically (Awake, 7/22/73, p 4; Let God be True, p 276). Jesus was physically raised. In fact, Scripture teaches Jesus even raised himself from the dead. See The Resurrection of Jesus Christ ETERNAL JUDGMENT

The doctrine of eternal torment (hell) is not valid. (Let God be True, p.90- 90, and p. 94-95) The soul becomes extinct (nonexistent) after death (Let God be True, p. 74, 75 and p. 99). Scripture, in both the Old and New Testament, teaches that the wicked will be eternally tormented in hell. See The After-life SALVATION

Salvation is by works (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 1, pp. 150, 152), through membership in the organization (Watchtower, 2/15/79, p 30). Salvation by grace through faith in the atonement of Jesus Christ. See Salvation THE TRINITY

The doctrine of the "trinity" is an invention of man. (Let God be True, p 100, 101) Although the word "trinity" is not in the Bible, the concept of the three-in-one is throughout the Old and New Testaments. See The Godhead THE HOLY SPIRIT

The Holy Spirit is an inanimate force or power. (Watchtower, 6/1/52, p 24; Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1985, pp 406, 407)

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-29   11:07:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Logsplitter (#25)

I have a better solution. Avoid nigger neighborhoods and areas and events niggers are known to frequent.

There are lots of good black folk.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-29   11:08:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Logsplitter (#25)

I have a better solution. Avoid nigger neighborhoods and areas and events niggers are known to frequent.

On publick transportation? You don't seem to be much help, here.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-03-29   11:11:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: A K A Stone (#27)

Your post appears to be a similar discussion that all religions perform to buoy up their own interpretations. Don't you see what you do? You argue from a venue of interpretation that you simply accept as inarguable while denying the interpretations of others. It is counter productive for understanding the true spirit about the world around us.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-03-29   11:16:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: misterwhite (#26)

I'm half-tempted to move to St. Louis and just ride the trains all day.

You have enough law knowledge to use your rights to the fullest potential... have fun at the zoo.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-03-29   11:17:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: buckeroo (#30)

Your post appears to be a similar discussion that all religions perform to buoy up their own interpretations. Don't you see what you do? You argue from a venue of interpretation that you simply accept as inarguable while denying the interpretations of others. It is counter productive for understanding the true spirit about the world around us.

It isn't interpretations.

The Bible says Hell. They say no.

Same with their other crap they peddle.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-29   11:20:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: A K A Stone (#32)

The Bible says Hell. They say no.

The ye ol' sophomoric evil vs. good dichotomy is brought up again. The Holy Bible didn't invent that concept, you know. Do you know where the concept came from?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-03-29   11:27:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: buckeroo (#33)

Do you know where the concept came from?

It came from God. It was told to mankind through the Bible. It was created for the rebelling Angels.

Anything to the contrary is not true.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-29   11:31:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: A K A Stone (#34)

It came from God. It was told to mankind through the Bible. It was created for the rebelling Angels.

Anything to the contrary is not true.

How do you know? Is your faith about your beliefs the supporting evidence about fact?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-03-29   11:35:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: buckeroo (#35)

How do you know?

I know because the Bible is true. Without contradiction. Without error.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-29   11:36:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: A K A Stone (#36)

I know because the Bible is true. Without contradiction. Without error.

Again, where is the supporting evidence? How has your "truth" benefited America when crime is everywhere and yet Christian churches are everywhere?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-03-29   11:40:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: buckeroo (#37)

Again, where is the supporting evidence? How has your "truth" benefited America when crime is everywhere and yet Christian churches are everywhere?

Well some supporting evidence would be the geological record. Fossils were created by the flood of Noah.

My time is short so so are my answers.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-29   11:43:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: A K A Stone (#38)

But what does your religion explain about crime in America? What about vicious assaults on a local commuter?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-03-29   11:44:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: buckeroo (#39)

But what does your religion explain about crime in America? What about vicious assaults on a local commuter?

It teaches to treat others like you would like to be treated.

If people put that in practice there would be no crime. But we have a sin nature and some people reject the clear teachings found in Gods word. So we have crime, corruption, perversion etc.

What teachings of Christ do you find to be incorrect or immoral?

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-29   11:49:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: misterwhite (#20)

I saw one of these animals interviewed some time ago. He said flat out that he has no respect for white people who refuse to defend themselves and, because of that, they deserve it.

There ya go.

This necklacing-wannabe's characterization has become a fully accepted, validated consensus within 90% of the black communitah. They are at war with the white devil. Literally. Their "messiah"-in-chief and regime have openly encouraged cutting loose every dark avenging fantasy they've ever had.

This can't won't end well.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-29   11:49:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: buckeroo (#15) (Edited)

Maybe you can go downtown; meet with them and pray for them and change their ways?

I could; And at the same time I could also pray that you suddenly had the capability to understand the concept of Free Will and realm of the Supernatural.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-29   11:53:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone (#17) (Edited)

Aren't Jehovah Witnesses considered "Christian" like you?

At your age and degree of "knowledge," it'd behoove you to study up on the difference between faiths claiming to be "Christian," and those which veer into cultist status. All deception is contingent upon the perception and subtle subversion of truth.

I understand that when that wall of resentment and hatred of God goes up, it's kind of difficult to care one way or another. THAT is on YOU, Bucky.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-29   12:01:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone (#37)

Again, where is the supporting evidence [of the Bible]?

And once again, the "proof" has been jam-packed into witness after witness in the Bible and Gospels, citing the same events, places, and people.

But you...regard it all as "myth"?

In *your* opinion, is Plato "myth"? The Greek Empire? Caesar? Nero? Pontius Pilate? The Roman Empire? Alexander the Great? Charlemagne? At exactly WHAT point should any history NOT be regarded as myth? 100 B.C.? 500 A.D.? 1787 A.D.? Exactly WHEN?? And whom shall be the arbiter of "history"? Atheists and agnostics?

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-29   12:09:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: misterwhite, out damned spot, sneakypete, All (#5)

n my opinion that elevates it to second degree assault -- a felony -- since the shoe could be considered a deadly weapon and the intent was to cause bodily harm.

It's a f*cking hate crime. But it woill not be acknowledged as such by anyone.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-03-29   12:34:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: A K A Stone (#28)

There are lots of good black folk.

I agree, Stoney. I know two who I consider my friends, one of whom had a couple guys do a home invasion on him. Robbed him of his cash, jewelry, weed and video games. As they left, they shot him in the leg because he didn't act scared enough. I asked him if they were homeboys that might have known him and he said "Nah, man. Them was niggaz that done that shit."

Logsplitter  posted on  2015-03-29   13:00:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Logsplitter (#46)

Yeah. But when you say entire neighborhoods are the N word. That is judging everyone of them for the actions of some of them.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-29   13:03:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: buckeroo (#11)

Did you watch the video?

Yes.

Why do you ask?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-29   13:07:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Liberator (#14)

This isn't a "problem," this is a disaster waiting to happen.

No kidding. Just wait until the white people get fed up and start hating blacks on the same level that blacks hate whites now,and things will start getting "Medieval"

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-29   13:09:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: GrandIsland (#18)

Just give me the justification for DPF... I know how to testify.

Far be it for me to be the one dictating good judgement,but that's a public pronouncement you could come to regret.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-29   13:11:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: sneakypete (#48)

The event was completely planned right up to the moment of exit. The other thugs were nothing more than "backup" for any struggle.

The timing was all about exiting without being confronted. You wouldn't have had a chance in HELL to save your skin.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-03-29   13:11:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: misterwhite (#20) (Edited)

I saw one of these animals interviewed some time ago. He said flat out that he has no respect for white people who refuse to defend themselves and, because of that, they deserve it.

I agree with him,as long as the white people are ones who are male and have the ability to fight back.

IMHO,if you won't even fight to defend yourself against attack,you don't deserve a place at the dinner table. Go out in the yard and eat scraps with the dogs.

BTW,I mean no insult to dogs,who are noble creatures that will fight to the death to protect their families.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-29   13:13:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: A K A Stone (#24)

One example. They say there is no Hell.

Good point!

After all,what good is Christian Love and Understanding without a Hell being available?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-29   13:14:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: A K A Stone (#40)

What teachings of Christ do you find to be incorrect or immoral?

Yeah, that "turn your other cheek" stuff doesn't work in modern America in the inner cities and on publick transportation.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-03-29   13:15:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Logsplitter (#25) (Edited)

Avoid nigger neighborhoods and areas and events niggers are known to frequent.

And just exactly how would you go about doing that as a normal part of your day in most US cities?

You DO understand that not all black people are niggers,right? Please tell us how you can tell the difference by just looking.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-29   13:15:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: SOSO (#45)

It's a f*cking hate crime.

ALL violent crimes against people are hate crimes. Just because a victim may be black doesn't make it any better or any worse.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-29   13:18:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: buckeroo (#51) (Edited)

The event was completely planned right up to the moment of exit. The other thugs were nothing more than "backup" for any struggle.

You're probably right. They were looking for a white guy that looked harmless,and used the Michael Brown thing as an excuse to cry "white racism" if they get arrested.

You wouldn't have had a chance in HELL to save your skin.

Yeah,I would have. The guy is a pretty good dancer,but he hits like a little girl,and I AM a guy that fights back and who doesn't hit like a little girl.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-29   13:20:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Liberator (#43)

At your age and degree of "knowledge," it'd behoove you to study up on the difference between faiths claiming to be "Christian," and those which veer into cultist status.

All Christian faiths, denominations, sects, cults claim to be the TRUE religion of Jesus. Which one shall we pick from to get me or you or anyone else to GOD, the almighty?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-03-29   13:22:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: sneakypete (#57)

In a situation like this, what should we produce? A loaded gun or a Bible? Or was there enough time?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-03-29   13:23:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: buckeroo (#59)

In a situation like this, what should we produce? A loaded gun or a Bible? Or was there enough time?

I guess that depends on who you are and how you think.

Do you really think that guy hits hard enough to to anything other than piss you off? I've had people hit me so hard they spun me around,and I knocked them on their asses right after that.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-29   13:25:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: sneakypete (#60)

In a situation like the article, there would be no time for an aggressive act even for defensive purposes. The thugs planned the confrontation based on an exit scheme.

It is a problem with publick transportation; I wager that victim will no longer take the train.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-03-29   13:30:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: sneakypete (#50)

I realize that... I'm not worried. If I take human life, I'll assure you it will be justified.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-03-29   13:32:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Liberator (#44)

In *your* opinion, is Plato "myth"? The Greek Empire? Caesar? Nero? Pontius Pilate? The Roman Empire? Alexander the Great? Charlemagne? At exactly WHAT point should any history NOT be regarded as myth? 100 B.C.? 500 A.D.? 1787 A.D.? Exactly WHEN?? And whom shall be the arbiter of "history"? Atheists and agnostics?

Excellent questions, Liberator.

All the folks written in your commentary are well known and documented/written in historical documents.

I want to point out, the Romans were very skilled in detailed documentation about the empire. And yet, just as you omit, not one word about Jesus of Nazareth.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-03-29   13:45:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: buckeroo (#61) (Edited)

In a situation like the article, there would be no time for an aggressive act even for defensive purposes.

Of course there was. The guy getting hit could have used a knife hand to the attackers nuts at any time the guy was dancing around in front of him.

If the other guy has time to hit you,you have time to hit the other guy back. Just be serious about hurting him when you do.

After that he would have OWNED the MoFo,and his two "pals" would have sat down and been as quiet as church mice once they saw the guy had the ability and the will to defend himself.

A friend and I mistakenly walked into a "black bar" in VN in 1969. We were in town to buy stuff at the PX,and were just looking for a cool beer or two before heading back to the camp. We had no idea it was a "black bar" and wouldn't have given a damn if we had known. Everything stopped when we walked up to the bar and ordered beer,and the natives started getting restless and mumbling "kill honkie" crap.

That's when we started pulling grenades and 45 autos out of our pockets and smiling at them. It was amazing how timid they suddenly became. We managed to finish our beers in peace,and walk out the door with no problems.

And "yes,we were prepared to kill everybody in the joint if they pushed it."

People don't mob you because they are brave. They do it because they are cowards as individuals,and think they can hurt you with no harm coming their way. Hurt just one of them (preferably the most aggressive) bad enough to be screaming out for his mama,and the rest will back off and shut up.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-29   13:52:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: sneakypete (#64)

buckeroo: In a situation like the article, there would be no time for an aggressive act even for defensive purposes.

sneakypete: Of course there was. The guy getting hit could have used a knife hand to the attackers nuts at any time the guy was dancing around in front of him.

C'mon, the guy was tired from working all day trying to get home the cheapest way he could by taking publick transportation. He worked all day to pay his taxes so the local, state and federal government, most coveted and illustrious guardians would protect him. He was no nearer to having a knife ready for this or any situation any more than panning for Ag/Au in Eureka, California. I am afraid, the government has won a victory statement by being a constant protector of individual rights and freedoms.

If the other guy has time to hit you,you have time to hit the other guy back. Just be serious about hurting him when you do.

The victim was on his way home. He was probably lulled to sleep based on the hum-drum sounds of the train as he was sped to his designed destination. He had no time for reaction.

After that he would have OWNED the MoFo,and his two "pals" would have sat down and been as quiet as church mice once they saw the guy had the ability and the will to defend himself.

You or anyone else can not be prepared for the unexpected all the time.

A friend and I mistakenly walked into a "black bar" in VN in 1969. We were in town to buy stuff at the PX,and were just looking for a cool beer or two before heading back to the camp. We had no idea it was a "black bar" and wouldn't have given a damn if we had known. Everything stopped when we walked up to the bar and ordered beer,and the natives started getting restless and mumbling "kill honkie" crap.

Of course, you immediately left since you unprepared.

That's when we started pulling grenades and 45 autos out of our pockets and smiling at them. It was amazing how timid they suddenly became. We managed to finish our beers in peace,and walk out the door with no problems.

Serious? That is quite a tall tale, there.

And "yes,we were prepared to kill everybody in the joint if they pushed it."

I don't believe it. If you go into a bar, you are planning to relax.

People don't mob you because they are brave. They do it because they are cowards as individuals,and think they can hurt you with no harm coming their way. Hurt just one of them (preferably the most aggressive) bad enough to be screaming out for his mama,and the rest will back off and shut up.

It is always been this way on Earth. And the antics shall always be the same with just different circumstances and people.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-03-29   14:36:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: buckeroo (#63)

Excellent questions, Liberator.

Thanks, Buckeroo.

All the folks written in your commentary are well known and documented/written in historical documents.

I want to point out, the Romans were very skilled in detailed documentation about the empire. And yet, just as you omit, not one word about Jesus of Nazareth.

The Romans were indeed skilled in many areas of life, but the life of Jesus Christ was just one more inconsequential Jew in one more inconsequential a Roman outpost back then. The Romans would not be so inclined to report on the minutiae of non-citizens, would they? But then, why would only Roman accounts validate the existence, life and death of Jesus Christ in your opinion? (although Roman historian Tacitus did mention Jesus Christ, and so did Jewish historian, Josephus.) There were others sources as well.

Few historians deny the existence and life of Jesus Christ. What they may deny are his miracles, resurrection, and the eyewitness accounts afterward.

I still don't understand why the observed and documentation as written in the FOUR Gospels should be dismissed. They included historically proven people, places, and things. Nothing is amiss.

A conspiracy?? If so, the usual reason for that type of collusion of history or the creation of "myth" is greed or money. NONE of which defined Jesus of Nazareth or his disciples. Moreover, people usually don't usually allow themselves to be tossed to the lions or crucified without a fight....just for a myth.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-29   14:40:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: buckeroo (#58)

All Christian faiths, denominations, sects, cults claim to be the TRUE religion of Jesus. Which one shall we pick from to get me or you or anyone else to GOD, the almighty?

Valid challenges...

The one "true Christian faith" is the one that adheres solely to the commandments and expectations of Jesus Christ as specified in the Bible. So called membership in "Christ's Church" far more simple than many imagine, but built-in for-profit quirks, criteria, and exclusivity have been created unnecessary, un-Biblical requisites.

IMO, you can't go wrong with a church that goes, "Sola Scriptura." That would be a Baptist church. I know your initial reaction to attending a Bible Class might be scoffed at, but you might be surprise at your own level of interest and fascination of the subject matter as well as challenging the instructor.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-29   14:55:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: buckeroo (#65)

C'mon, the guy was tired from working all day trying to get home the cheapest way he could by taking publick transportation. He worked all day to pay his taxes so the local, state and federal government, most coveted and illustrious guardians would protect him.

OR.....,maybe he was a college student that had been out all night partying with his girlfriend,and waiting for his grant check to come in so he could buy a new car?

Buck,I used to have to ride 3 different city buses to get back and forth to work every day. Took me over a hour and a half each day,and this was after working 10 hours in a body shop at a Cadillac dealer. No such thing as lightweight fenders,doors,and bumpers to wrestle with. I was beat too,and riding by myself. Yet nobody attacked me,and if they had,I assure you I wouldn't have been too tired to fight back.

He was no nearer to having a knife ready for this or any situation..

Knife HAND,Buck,not knife. That is jabbing with your hand while your fingers are held closely together and rigid. Only good for soft spots like eyes,throats and testicles,but really,really effective when applied right.

The victim was on his way home. He was probably lulled to sleep based on the hum-drum sounds of the train as he was sped to his designed destination.

HorseHillary! Only dead people are lacking enough energy to fight back to defend themselves. He was and is a rabbit. One of natures natural victims.

You or anyone else can not be prepared for the unexpected all the time.

Have you ever been in an actual fight? It's called "reacting",not being prepared. MY natural inclination when someone hits me is to remove their freaking head from their shoulders. It requires no planning. You just do it.

Of course, you immediately left since you unprepared.

Who was unprepared? We weren't expecting it,and that is not the same thing as being unprepared. Nobody in a bar with a fragmentation grenade and a 45 auto is unprepared. Maybe a touch over-prepared,if anything.

Serious?

Oh,yeah.If you don't want to get bit,don't be attacking the dog.

That is quite a tall tale, there.

It's ok with me if you don't believe it.

I don't believe it. If you go into a bar, you are planning to relax.

We WERE relaxed. We were in perfect control of the situation at all times. We were relaxed when we left,too.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-29   17:17:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: buckeroo (#54)

Yeah, that "turn your other cheek" stuff doesn't work in modern America in the inner cities and on publick transportation.

Some would say that means they get one free shot not many. Since it says cheek and not cheeks.

If someone hit me I would hit them back. Probably several times over would be the goal.

Some things seem right to us but really aren't right.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-29   18:14:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: sneakypete (#53)

One example. They say there is no Hell. Good point!

After all,what good is Christian Love and Understanding without a Hell being available?

I gave that example because it is clear cut.

So you think people shouldn't be held accountable for their actions. Especially since all anyone has to do to get out of it is admit they were wrong and ask for forgiveness. That is't to hard of a hurdle.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-29   18:16:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: buckeroo (#58)

All Christian faiths, denominations, sects, cults claim to be the TRUE religion of Jesus. Which one shall we pick from to get me or you or anyone else to GOD, the almighty?

If they say they are followers of Christ. Then you should read what Christ said in the Bible. The King James is reliable. Others may be as well. But anyway if they do things that are contrary to the teaching and claim something different. Then you know that they are not following Christ. I'm not talking about people who make mistakes and fall and get back up. I"m talking doctrine.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-29   18:20:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: A K A Stone (#70)

That is't to hard of a hurdle.

It is when you are dead.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-29   22:06:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: sneakypete (#56)

ALL violent crimes against people are hate crimes.

No, not according to the definition de jure of hate crimes.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-03-29   22:44:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: SOSO (#73)

ALL violent crimes against people are hate crimes.

No, not according to the definition de jure of hate crimes.

You can call a tricycle a Buick too,but that doesn't mean you can take one out and drive it down the interstate.

I've even heard people describe Manchelle Obomber as "beautiful",too. People make all sorts of foolish claims.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-30   6:26:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: buckeroo (#51)

"The other thugs were nothing more than "backup" for any struggle."

And they may be armed. You need to be aware of everyone around you in a situation like that.

There was a recent story where some guy and his girlfriend did an armed robbery (or something) and ran into a convenience store. A customer, who was carrying concealed, sneaked up behind the guy. He never saw the girlfriend who sneaked up behind him and shot him in the back of the head, killing him instantly.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-03-30   10:19:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: sneakypete (#74)

People make all sorts of foolish claims.

Well there is a difference though when the claim is made by the AG of the U.S.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-03-30   16:47:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: misterwhite (#75)

He [the customer] never saw the girlfriend who sneaked up [snuck up] behind him and shot him in the back of the head, killing him instantly.

How does anyone know that? Voodoo maejiic or Houdini weird science?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-03-30   20:43:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: SOSO (#76)

Well there is a difference though when the claim is made by the AG of the U.S.

You do have a point with that one.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-31   4:27:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: A K A Stone (#47)

That is judging everyone of them for the actions of some of them.

Ok Stone. Let''s approach the subject like this. You hate all homo's and lump them all together into the same stereotypical group. So which neighborhood would you feel safer walking through after dark: the gay neighborhood or the black one?

Logsplitter  posted on  2015-03-31   7:27:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Logsplitter (#79)

"So which neighborhood would you feel safer walking through after dark: the gay neighborhood or the black one?"

Who would you feel safer taking a shower with -- a gay man or a black man?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-03-31   9:35:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: misterwhite (#80)

Keep your bathhouse fantasies to yourself, whitey.

Logsplitter  posted on  2015-03-31   13:43:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: SOSO (#76)

Well there is a difference though when the claim is made by the AG of the U.S.

Good point, SOSO.

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out damned spot  posted on  2015-03-31   22:54:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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