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Title: 'I'm planning a heinous act that will be remembered forever': Killer pilot's ex-girlfriend says he shared chilling prophecy before Alps crash and woke up from nightmares shouting 'we're going down'
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URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... mares-shouting-going-down.html
Published: Mar 27, 2015
Author: David Williams and Sam Marsden and Tom K
Post Date: 2015-03-27 22:51:41 by out damned spot
Keywords: Lubitz, girl friend, crash
Views: 14175
Comments: 88
*Andreas Lubitz told former girlfriend he was planning an act so horrifying his name would be remembered forever *He was a master of hiding his darkest thoughts and frightened his former lover so much she decided to leave him *Startling revelations add weight to claims the pilot concealed medical condition that should have stopped him flying *Comes after it emerged Lubitz should have been off sick on day he deliberately crashed plane into mountainside *Torn-up sick notes have been found in 27-year-old's flat which showed he had hidden extent of illness from airline Killer pilot Andreas Lubitz told his ex-girlfriend he was planning an act so heinous his name would be remembered for ever, it was sensationally claimed last night. Lubitz was a tormented, erratic man who was a master of hiding his darkest thoughts and would wake up from nightmares screaming ‘we’re going down’, his former partner said. She revealed to a German newspaper how Lubitz ominously told her last year: ‘One day I will do something that will change the whole system, and then all will know my name and remember it.’ When she heard about the crash of Germanwings Flight 4U9525 on Tuesday, she remembered Lubitz’s menacing prophecy. ‘I never knew what he meant, but now it makes sense,’ she told Bild. His personal problems and erratic behaviour was so severe that she was frightened and decided to leave him. She added: ‘When I heard about the crash, there was just a tape playing in my head of what he said, “One day I will do something that will change the system and everyone will then know my name and remember me”. ‘I did not know what he meant by that at the time, but now it’s clear.’ Police will want to interview the unnamed former girlfriend in detail about the pilot’s state of mind. The couple had been together for seven years and lived in a smart flat on the outskirts of Dusseldorf. One report claimed they were engaged and planned to marry next year.
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#1. To: out damned spot, Liberator (#0)
Woh. Pretty much explains it all. Except what his unknown medical condition was.
If true, it would be a case of mental illness.
Sounds closer to cunning evil to me. Or aren't we allowed to suggest that some people are just evil nowadays?
Or aren't we allowed to suggest that some people are just evil nowadays? If I can speak on a trippy level - could it be the loss of spiritualism has made people who are 'crazy' unable to deal with their insanity. Mental illness can't easily be treated - we are on a primitive level in understanding the mind and even if we gain knowledge how do we 'rewire' the mind to work normally? What's normal anyway? Just thinking outside of the box. Religions - even the non Christian ones - were born to help people cope in their world and give them comfort.
I don't believe a word that she is saying. IF it was a true story, and she knew he was a pilot, she would and should have told someone. This is a cover story for some reason.
Mentally ill people suck. I encourage all who desire suicide to just take their own life... and try not make a mess... please and thank you.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
We'll see. Maybe she did tell someone else and it hasn't come out yet. Usually, a girl will tell friends or family the reasons if she breaks off an engagement. Women don't break engagements to marry on a whim (though they seem to divorce on a whim at times). Or maybe there will be other indications he gave to other people that will confirm her story. He had to be considered a good catch as a husband as an airline pilot. Her coming forward with this story doesn't exactly cover her in glory. I doubt it will lead to a book or movie deal or anything more than an unpleasant 15 minutes of fame on Teh Interwebs. I'm just saying I don't readily see that she has a lot of incentive here. It will now be forever a part of her life. 20 years from now, people will say "her ex-fiancee was the one who...".
So...Hitler was just maladjusted? Stalin was in a bad mood? Mao just had some bad days? I've noticed in online discussions that if you come to the question of whether evil exists, there really is no meeting of the minds between the two camps. You believe in evil or you don't. I think there is evil.
Not even close to what I was saying - I am talking about people who are depressed and schizophrenic. I know many people say Hitler and Stalin were 'crazy' but they were not clinically insane - just bad people.
People who don't believe in evil, as I alluded to above. I've seen no mention of schizophrenia. Maybe he was depressed because he realized he was evil.
People who don't believe in evil, as I alluded to above. Maybe Stalin and Hitler believed other things were evil. Evil is subjective. The Aztecs did not think human sacrifice was evil and were shocked and confused when the Cortez said to them it was.
She says she didn't know what he meant. And if she had told someone, he would have denied it and said she was trying to maliciously ruin his piloting career. It's not as simple in foresight as in hindsight.
New details emerging that he had failed two physicals with two different doctors and feared losing his pilot's certificate. So I guess that made him go full Aztec.
No it isn't. I see what your mental problem is now. You don't know the difference between good and evil. What kind of activities have you engaged in to destroy your God given moral code?
What kind of activities have you engaged in to destroy your God given moral code? No, AKA, you moron, I was talking in the abstract not about myself. Seriously, talking to some people online sometimes is like talking to people with brain damage. All I pointed out is Hitler did not think of himself as evil - Hitler and the Nazis - did not think they were the 'bad guys' in WW2. That is what subjective means. Up your game, AKA.
Interesting, not sure I agree, after all, women in love do some pretty strange things. But I sure wouldn't disagree with you.
Without a question there is evil, stemming from the prince of this world, satan. My source is none other than Christ Jesus, God Almighty Himself. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. John 8:44
There is Biblical proof of that too. 1 When the morning was come, all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against Jesus to put Him to death: 2 And when they had bound Him, they led Him away, and delivered Him to Pontius Pilate the governor. 3 Then Judas, which had betrayed Him, when he saw that He was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, 4 saying, "I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood." And they said, "What is that to us? see thou to that." 5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.
Maybe Judas didn't think of himself as evil and was just having a bad day. ‹/sarcasm›
That's pretty clear. But “One day I will do something that will change the system and everyone will then know my name and remember me” can be taken any number of ways, imho. I wonder if he actually said either (or both).
There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't
There is evil, and it is active and intelligent. There is a Devil - Satan - and there are demons - fallen beings of angelic power - and they do possess people and influence them and whisper in their minds and seek to steer them. Now, across the ages, Christians have been blessed by having the seal of baptism on them, and God is as persistent in holding onto his baptized as he was in holding out hope for his chosen Israelites. If it's just us versus fallen angels and the Devil, we're outgunned and pretty hopeless, like dogs trying to outthink men. We can't do it. Angels are stronger than we are, and so are demons, and they can read our minds and see us, but we can't see them unless they let us, and we can't read their minds at all. So, why aren't we overrun with evil? Why isn't the good snuffed out completely? Because there are guardian angels also, and there is God, and God and his angels are stronger than Satan and his. We are pawns on a battlefield, and we are protected by beings most of us never see or know. I've seen and I know. What I speak of is real. Now then, nobody is free of temptation, and Hell is always listening. And people do have free will. The temptation is put there, but often people do choose, of their own volition, to follow it. Guardian angels at the door will drive off demons and tamp down temptation, and it's much easier for them to do that for people who are marked with seal of baptism, anointed with the oil of chrismation. These things are not exactly Passover blood smeared on the doorposts of the soul, but they certainly keep the Guardian Angels closer to their post. But now consider the hard secular who was never baptized, doesn't care about religion, wants nothing to do with it, and thinks not just that it's an old superstition, but because it LIMITS man in what he is permitted to do, is an OPPRESSIVE and EVIL old tradition. The hard secular has called the Holy Spirit and its fruits evil. He doesn't know that, because he doesn't believe in anything. Belief's got nothing to do with it, though, because Hell is still there, and the demons are still tugging at him. As animals, we have a proclivity for sex, but as moral beings we are restrained by rules given by God alone. Take God out of the picture, and our instinct is to dive for sex, and the demons encourage us and pig right in there, getting us all covered with mud. This is not good for our mental stability. We may desire rampant sex, but it actually tears off pieces of our soul. The same is true with drug experimentation, and with heavy use of alcohol. The same is true with overweening pride, the arrogance of the pilot who, having risen to the top of what HE thinks is the pinnacle of success, looks down upon lessors. The pilot enjoys the control he has over others. He knows how many aspire to this and how few are chosen. And so here we have Andreas, a modern. Not very religious: he had the woman for SEVEN YEARS and was just getting around to marrying her…maybe. Frustrated, angry, full of dark thoughts, and channeling demons. What handhold did he leave for the angels to save him. What cold companionship would HIS soul give to the angels who would stand and fight off the demons for him? Was he not, rather, an ALLY of hell? Men who refuse to understand religion nevertheless stand and bellow that God ought to save them. But these men are traitors to themselves, to their original nature, and traitors to God. It sure would be swell, for them, if no man had to pay for his sins, or if there were no sins, if the Guardian angels will fight for you NO MATTER WHAT. But nice as that would be, that is not what God has on offer. Turn on him and he understands…to a point. But if you're never exposed to God at all, and uninterested in him, and pigging around in evil, and resentful of that fact that stupid old religion still EXISTS, to hold people down, and you pig around in porn and sex and "new relationship experimentation", and drugs, and ego, and you don't even have a bad conscience about it, you're simply bad seed. God withdraws his protection, and the angels go to fight for somebody worth saving. The demons have their way, fully possess and consume the person, he does horrible things, dies, and then descends into fiery Gehenna. It's sad, but it isn't as though everybody doesn't really already KNOW all of this. We've all been told, we've all heard it. Most of us jest at it when we don't believe, but many still fear it, if only superstitiously. And even that superstition is a handhold of hope on which the angels can hold to contend for you spirit. But if you chop away the handholds in hatred, make yourself an idol, and give yourself over to bodily evil, with the coldest indifference and hostility to God - well, then you're doomed. And when other people, people who know better, are so morally timid that they disarm the tools that men DO have at their commands, to beat back demons and not let Satan EXPRESS himself so fully, laying so many traps - when Satan is allowed to have cities blazing with light and orgies, openly, and people will not use their power to say NO and use human power to suppress open death traps for the spirit, well, then they get a society with a demon infestation, and they walk around with a lot more possessed people than there used to be, when overt sin was suppressed by law and driven underground, where it was still tantalizing but not an open Roach Motel for human souls, brightly lit with government subsidies. Crime spirals out of control when seculars, sodden with sex and drugs, actively suppress the remaining religious and moral laws of society, because the religious, in their doubts, unilaterally disarm. Net result: lots more possessed people, and lots more insane people covered with demons who kill themselves and everybody else. Evil is. And it is stronger than unaided man. Good is stronger still than it, but men have to hold onto it, and resist the weakness, and they have to have the intestinal fortitude to restrict "human rights' to the extent necessary to not let the Devil lay open traps. Open prostitution, legally licensed, for example. In every city you have that, you have a lot more crazy people, filled with demons, and more and more fall. And they will fight TO THE DEATH for their RIGHT to have this open death trap in their midst. Germany is a place where people don't marry, where prostitution is state sanctioned and subsidized, where religion is essentially dead. They haven't legalized drugs yet, but they're moving towards the Dutch and Swiss camp. They're proud, arrogant, smart - too smart for traditional religion. In the recent generations they've been willing to worship their STATE, but not God. They worship THEMSELVES over God. And they have one of the lowest birth rates in the world. The wages of sin is death, and when a rotten tree in the forest falls from a great height, it destroys many green trees as well. If men are unwilling to keep the forest by culling out the rotten trees, there will be more rot, more young trees choked out, tangle wood, falling trees taking out the living, and ultimately everything in the forest, rotten or green, will all go up in a forest fire. Men either fight evil - even though that means suppressing some liberty - or they refuse to, which means that demons will infest more, and more innocent people will die from psychopaths. The world does not exist where people can do as they please without God and be ok, because Evil is, and also because God is a jealous God, and when people reject him and disregard him, he lets Evil take them and kill everybody. We're pawns on a chessboard. We only get promoted if we reach the rank on the other shore. We all get taken off the board sooner or later, but the pawns that die in the middle are gone. Pawns that make it all the way across get promoted, but nobody ever returns a lost pawn to the board. That's the way it is. It's simple and it's cruel, and neither Satan NOR God gives a damn that men don't like it. God doesn't kill Satan but lets Satan and demons kill men instead for the same reason that God doesn't let the sheep and cows kill men. Cows and men are created beings, souls, but men are simply higher order in God's structure. Men are more important than cows, and the spirits and lives of men are more important. The spirits of angels and demons are more important than men. That's why God does not end the killing of cows by men, and it's why he doesn't end the killing of men by demons either. Someday we will judge angels, if we make it across the board. But we have to make it across the board or die trying. If we decide to become black pieces on the board, then God is not going to reverse the order of things and make a cow more important than a man, or a man more important than a powerful angel like Satan. God will destroy Satan in the end, but he's not going to do it to save some MAN'S life, for Satan is a much greater creation than Man is. We are trivial. Cows are more trivial, but we too are trivial. Angels and demons are not. God tarries in destroying his creations. And that means that cows have to live in a world heavily dominated by men, and men have to live in a world infected by demons. That is the order of thing. The cow, to be acceptable to God, must do its duty and not gore men. And men have to do their duty and do what they ought, even though tempted by demons. The Evil exists because God wills it so, and God is not going to remove it until the end. Then he will destroy Satan and the fallen angels, along with billions of men who followed them. Andreas Lubitz among them. He had his moment of dark glory. Innocent people on the plane died on account of it. This happens all the time. If we want less evil, we have to use our laws to suppress the things that drive men into evil. Which is to say, we have to suppress evil religion, rampant sexual sales, entertainment that puts these evils on mass display. Franco's Spain had a birth rate. It is considered a dark and evil place by the seculars. Franco is gone, Spain opened its arms wide to the modern world…and spread her legs farther and wider. Now the Spanish don't marry, their birth rate is in the gutter with Germany, craziness grows, lives and souls are broken, but they still spit on the Franco era, when Spain was growing and families were intact, because people infested with demons love the darkness and hate the light. Look around the threads at the dogged hatred of law and reason that pot addicts all have. Leave them alone, they say, it's harmless. No. it's mind altering and it invites in the demons. Anything that is addictive is bad, because it puts a chain around the neck. Alter the mind, and the demons come in. Spain and Germany have no hope BECAUSE they've liberated themselves from God…straight into the claws of the demons. Andreas Lubitz would appear to be just another dark pawn on a chess board. The only real question was whether he ever had much of a chance to BE a white pawn. Was he baptized? Was he taught anything about God? Did he have a guilty conscience about anything? Or were the guardian angels driven off from early on, left with no seal to look upon and nothing but a cold locked door? Did God simply giver Andreas up to death in his sins? Evidently yes, And note that the analysis doesn't change a bit if Andreas were a Muslim jihadi. Either way, the light was closed out, the demons entered, and the result was death. The wages of sin is death. The wages of sin is death.
Aztecs didn't sacrifice THEMSELVES.
I know I read somewhere that with the loss of religiosity Northern Europeans saw a rise in depressions and suicides. No way one can tell but it is interesting to note that as religiosity declined, depression caused murder/suicides went up. Religions tend to be mental and spiritual exercises - its like they work out the psyche the way a day at the gym does lifting weights. Without it we humans become adrift and maybe even prey to unseen forces - prey animals attack the weak first for their meals. I have a feeling humanity has been spiritually weakened so it can be preyed upon sometimes.
Without the Father and the Son, men are prey to Satan and demons. Even WITH the Father and Son, men are tempted by Satan and demons, and some fall, but without them, men have no hope at all. Without Father and Son and the Spirit that proceeds from God, we are simply fish in a Chinese fish pond, growing up in filth and doomed to be eaten. There is no hope of escape or long life for a fish in a Chinese fish pond. There is no hope for a man in the fish pond of the world, farmed by demons, unless the Father and Son protect him and tell the demon fish farmers: no, not that one. Throw that one back.
She wants her 15 minutes.
Thanks for the bump. It is remarkable how relatively few even among conservatives will state outright that evil exists.
Most were captive tribesmen but by no means all. The first known sacrifice was a daughter of the Aztec king.
But now let's address what "evil" is biblically. The word we translate as "evil" doesn't exist in the Hebrew as the same concept. We translate "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil", which God created in the Garden. And of course there is the passage, I believe in Isaiah but it may be Ezekiel (I would have to look, but don't feel like it right now…in part because I'm hoping that somebody will rise to the bait so I can repeat the point, next time with the words, which are not colorable or avoidable), in which YHWH says that he creates good and evil. So, whatever this "evil" is, its ultimate creator is God, the Creator of everything. Many theologians assert that God did not create evil and God does not do evil. They will have to take that up with YHWH, who explicitly said that he IS the creator of both Good and Evil. There is probably a library book pile worth of sources that piously inform us that God not only never does evil, but CANNOT do evil, indeed, can't be in evil's presence. And if weight of printed words counted for everything this would be well-established fact. Unfortunately for all of those earnest theologians, YHWH said point blank that he creates evil and sends it upon men. It's not a matter of it being logically obvious either, he directly SAYS it from his own mouth. So, how could "all those theologians" have been wrong? Partly, I'm sure, because with the modern power of computers it is far easier to swiftly gather up the words that God himself said and to search them. And partly also because those men all had a preferred theology, and much of theology is what men want to believe, as opposed to what is written. So, God is the creator of Evil. God created Michael and Eden and good. But God also created Satan and Gehenna and the Lake of Fire and evil. Both the light and the darkness. There is no Manichean struggle of a good of light and of dark, of good and of evil. For God is God, and he is the creator of both. Lesser, derivative beings fight over these things and take sides, but God is God and his ways are not comprehensible to us. Also, he's not answerable to us. We don't like that God is the creator of Satan and Evil? Tough shit. We don't like scabies, tumors, halitosis and death either, but they're facts of life, all created by God to bother us. YHWH is not tame. But we're still misunderstanding the way of things if we sullenly conceded that God created Evil and Satan as well as Good. We're misunderstanding because we have assigned transcendent qualities to our words "Evil" and "Good". In the Hebrew, the words don't have the same transcendent meaning. They are, rather, directly related to the concepts of order and chaos, of "or" (which we translate as "light"), and "mem", which is the surging chaos, and Hhosek, "darkness", which is the absence of "or" - light. "Or" - the word we translate as "light" in this context, is also the root of the word "order" in English and Hebrew, which carries the concept. So, God creates energy - light - to order the darkness/chaos. He is God of both. Is light and order "good" in a transcendental sense, or only in a relative sense, relative to an observer? Are chaos and darkness EVIL, in a transcendental sense, or only relative to an observer for whim they are bad things? The latter. Let's look at the famous tree. We translate it as "The tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil". But actually, literally, it is the tree of the knowledge of function and dysfunction, or of order and disorder - most literally of all, LITERALLY, "The tree of the knowledge of what works and what doesn't work". That's ACTUALLY the name of the tree. God didn't create things and say "That is Good". That's how we translate ti. LITERALLY he SAID "That works." God saw that light, that it works. God saw that it all worked very well. Now consider an airplane with a pilot. The airplane flies through the air following the structure of the rules that God set out. It works. The pilot flies it and thinks about flying it. His thoughts work. They function to maintain the function, and by maintaining the function, he body (and everybody else's, and the plane) all stay orderly and they function. It all WORKS. Is that GOOD? Well, we like it, so we can subjectively say, from our point of view, "It's all good". But God doesn't say that. HE says "It works". It is functional. It functions. But now consider. The pilot in his mind ideates crashing the plane. HE doesn't crash the plane. HE can't. All he can do is manipulate levers, which then cause the functioning laws of the air and gravity, the physics, that God has imposed, his law, to CONTINUE to work. And they do. The plane flies into the ground and blows to pieces and everybody dies. Now their bodies and the plane are all disordered. None of that WORKS anymore, as it was. Now it's all still WORKING, but as different objects, each doing their own non-conscious things. The higher order functioning, the thoughts, the bodies able to hold the spirits and be souls…this has all ceased to function. Its order has been destroyed. Why? The physics were functional - they WORKED - but the ideation of the pilot that caused him to maneuver the controls in such a way to harness gravity for the crash, those ideas were dysfunctional. They didn't "work" for the purpose of being a pilot, or bringing that plane and those people to their purpose. But what makes splattering people, who then continue as differently configured atoms, and whose spirits go to Sheol, a dysfunctional thing? Why does that not "work"? Why is it "evil"? The only reason it is evil is because the God who created all things has an OPINION about the functioning of human bodies, He knows that we can see the physics operate, and ideate harnessing them to destroy other people and ourselves. And he doesn't like that. That is "Dysfunctional", or, to paraphrase the words as God presented them, God says "That doesn't work for me". It doesn't work for US either. We dislike dysfunction that causes our biological function to not work. And because we don't see clearly all the time that our spirits go on, death looks like a MUCH greater calamity to us than it really is (unless we're hellhound - then death's a pretty terrible thing). (I've always found it interesting that one of the "last words" accounts of Napoleon is that the last thing he said, staring straight ahead as he died, was the word "Hell". "Hell" is not a swear word or interjection in French. In Englsh, we might say "O hell!". The French don't use "enfer" in this way. They would say "Shit!" or "Whore!" under the same circumstances. Never "Hell". So, if Napoleon really did say that as he died, was he saying what he was already seeing? It's not an encouraging thought, is it? But he sure killed a lot of people, didn't he? Anyway, does "Evil" exist? In English, yes. In the Bible, in the Hebrew, there is "what works and what doesn't". And evil is "what doesn't work". God's words, not mine.
He was a bad dad. An Israelite King did that too. Can't remember which, maybe Jehu? He promised to sacrifice to God the first thing he saw. The first thing he saw was his daughter. Like a fool, he kept his vow. Consider that God had a procedure for atoning for the breaking of rash vows, that this King instead insisted on going ahead with "his word" compounds the murder he committed with an act of arrogance. Apparently HIS word was too good to be broken because it was stupid. Apparently HE, the KING was too lofty to admit that he was foolish, and break his vow and be forgiven for it under the rite, like a common man. Unfortunately, people make an idol out of vows to God and their own pride too…and when they do, they do dysfunctional things.
To briefly refute your points, I would say that evil is an inevitable byproduct of free will, a key feature of the Creation. Even angels can turn evil by choice. And evil is whatever God says is evil. God obviously values the principle of free will more than eliminating evil altogether by creating a robotically virtuous world where sin is impossible by design. Evil is not a prominent design feature of the Creation or God's plan. It arises from God granting His creations free will. In that God created all, you might argue "God created evil" but that is a theologically myopic view IMO. A classic reductio ad absurdem, if you prefer the old Latin debate terms. With your view, you also get into trouble with some longstanding hotly debated bits of NT scripture too. This is because you value the O.T. -- and Genesis particularly -- too highly in your theology.
Pray and ask for blessing of "olive oil", it is similar to what the Pope does with water. You can annoint and bless your own house and keep evil at bay.
You're not refuting my points. You are providing a response from your traditions. It is well.
Pretty much only explains the official narrative to the degree that the public now has their red herring. By official decree. This "darkly disturbed" meme was so predictable. Of well, kids -- CASED CLOSED. Let's put to rest all that nonsense on any speculative presumption or sources that Lubitz attended a Mosque, converted to Islam, then fulfilled his "duty" by slaughtering a plane-load of infidels. And let's ignore the official answer ("It doesn't matter" to the still unanswered question, "What religion was the co-pilot?" So...What are the odds?? In the last 20 years or so, we know that only "darkly" disturbed, depressed people engage in calculated, premeditated missions of mass murder. Could technically be true. BUT WAIT. Haven't these kinds of mass murderers anecdotally statistically been... ONLY be Muslims?? FAKE meme. FAKE narrative. FAKE "official report." Once again.
Acceptance in the belief of Fundamental Islam IS indeed "mental illness." I would submit that Lubitz' inner-turmoil was all about his conflict with a conscience that knew his act was pure evil and wrong. However, he succumbed to his own will of fulfilling Islam's commandment. There is NO other viable explanation why this man premeditatedly committed mass murder. So...willl the authoritahs ever divulge Lubitz' religion? Will they retrieve his real Facebook page from Memory-Hole? Will they continue to dismiss and ignore the nature of Lubitz six months leave of absence and "rumors" of his Muslim sabbatical?
I'll give you that premise. But by "spiritualism," do you mean in the context of a "loss" of discerning right and wrong, good from evil?....Or am I misrepresenting your gist? How do we 'rewire' the mind to work normally? What's normal anyway? "Rewiring" requires recalibrating and re-learning our basic, innate sense of "right and wrong." THAT innate sense or morality is "normal," barring genetic or environmental interference. Removing/avoiding the source(s) of evil and moral relativism that's now rife in many sectors of society, and renewing/establishing accountability to God is an anecdote.
With you on ALL counts. This IS a neat cover story that is being tied with a HUGE bow: Darkly troubled mental case. Medicated. Torn up medical reports. Fiancee problems. She completes and validates the official meme. (money wired to her account/offer-she-couldn't refuse??) VOILA!! Case closed!! No need to delve any deeper than 1/16 of an inch into this quicksand. Faaaar more preferable in Europe (as well as world-wide) to advancing this simple, no-muss narrative than not only having to reveal that the perp was a Muzzie-in-Training, but KNOWING he was both a Muzzie AND nuts!! Imagine THAT sh*tstorm!! A big part of narrative -- given the evidence that corruption is the rule rather than exception from "official" sources, it's absolutely stunning to me how easily accepted "reasonable explanations" suffice instead of common sense, and demands of scrutiny.
In this case, there's a HUGE problem. IF she did, you can bet that this case is so sensitive and meme so fragile, that ANY one who was privy to their relationship, OR Lubitz, is being given the 0bola-treatment (OR, threatened with the 0bola-associate treatment. That no friends and associates have spoken either about these two OR their SEVEN year-long relationship to any investigative reporters publicly is....more than odd. Her coming forward with this story doesn't exactly cover her in glory. I believe it's totally under duress. Especially from my perspective that she "knows too much" and may even be intimately involved somehow. I mean as a possible reported Muslim GF and convert herself. (MY theory, mind you.)
agreed, something is rotten in Denmark.
He may have once believed in the God of Abraham; May even have been baptised when he was an infant (but how would no memory of that help him as an adult whose moral compass was broken?) That said, the authoritahs have still as far as I know decided that Lubitz' religion (or conversion to Islam) is immaterial at this point in time. Did God simply giver Andreas up to death in his sins? Evidently yes. Agreed. Crime spirals out of control when seculars, sodden with sex and drugs, actively suppress the remaining religious and moral laws of society, because the religious, in their doubts, unilaterally disarm. Net result: lots more possessed people, and lots more insane people covered with demons who kill themselves and everybody else. Pretty much the dynamic, isn't it? Possession. And because many people only consider "demon possession" a figment of Hollywood, invisible, and thus unworthy of being taken seriously, they naturally disbelieve demons exist (except in the plethora of Tee-Bee shows and movies saturated with glorified themes of demonic activity and power.)
The Elites got together...and quashed this ASAP.
Not buying the muslim terrorist angle here. There has been no credible evidence that would point to this as a terrorist act. The so-called muslim conversion was based on speculation. In fact it can not be even be proven that he visited a mosque. He was in the same city where there was a mosque which was being investigated - that's it. And it was 6 years ago. There was no written or vocal expression on the part of the pilot saying he was doing this for allah. And nothing on his Facebook page. Sometimes crazy people do crazy things. The Evidence That the Germanwings Copilot Was Muslim Is Sketchy as Hell Gateway Pundit writes, "A German news website claims Andreas Lubitz was a Muslim convert. Speisa.com reported: 'According to Michael Mannheimer, a writer for German PI-News, Germany now has its own 9/11, thanks to the convert to Islam, Andreas Lubitz.'" It also cites "the comments at German PI"—on a story about Lubitz that mentions nothing about Muslims, Islam, or IS—as a source for the claim that "Andreas Lubitz was Muslim convert from his Facebook page." "PI" is a site called Politically Incorrect News, which is not exactly Der Spiegel, and they didn't even run a story about Lubitz's supposed conversion to Islam. That story came from PI-News blogger Michael Mannheimer's personal website, where he put together the following information: From these two data points—a mosque recently under investigation and a break Lubitz took six years ago—Mannheimer concluded (and this is roughly translated from the German by Google): "Probably Lubitz converted to Islam during this interruption."
I have no problem blaming Muslims but you have to show evidence of some Islam. Not these sketchy rumors from marginal blog sites no one ever heard of. Is there any scammy story that Gateway Pundit won't flack? They have zero credibility and a bad track record for rumormongering.
I am talking about how humans used to deal with mental issues before medical science - they must have had a priest or a shaman or some such to turn to. I am not a luddite - I support modern medicine but for the human mind we are still at the primitive medical stage - like when biological medicine was cutting off limbs that had compound fractures and not knowing there were things like germs.
The main surprise would be if a German had any religion at all. It has to be 10% or less of Germans who are religious in any way.
It has to be 10% or less of Germans who are religious in any way. That is what I was getting at - does the lack of a spiritual culture increase mental illness?
Probably a bootless argument.
The "evidence" is circumstantial, based on the statistical rate and profiling of these kinds cases of "terrorism": Muslim, 99% of the time; As well as the initial reports, attributed by some as been invented by some as a k00ky, discredited website (as though our gubmint spokesmen, CNN, and the NYT are bastions of truth.) Any "hearsay" of Lubitz' purported Muzzie background of dabbling and personal history at this point is predictably tamped down by the PTB as well. I'm merely connecting the dots and truth that the PTB regard as toxic, and their ability to create whatever narrative and alternative "evidence" it is they wish to create. There was no written or vocal expression on the part of the pilot saying he was doing this for allah. And nothing on his Facebook page. The Facebook page was immediately pulled. Screaming "Allahu Akbar!! isn't necessarily requisite, is it? I find it unbelievably naive to believe this airline would allow Lubitz to be a co-pilot in his fragile, mentally ill state of mind -- supposedly documented to the nines. Does THIS angle really make any sense?? From these two data points—a mosque recently under investigation and a break Lubitz took six years ago—Mannheimer concluded (and this is roughly translated from the German by Google): "Probably Lubitz converted to Islam during this interruption." As though Google, Facebook, and the "investigators" can be trusted NOT to re-invent history? The big crisis today: CGI or Holodeck versions of "history," "facts," and "news." The credibly of institutions is so discredited these days, that all one really has left is their own discernment of the truth. The ol' Matrix Red Pill, Blue Pill conundrum is where we've been at since 9/11.
You kinda have a kneejerk habit of immediately rejecting any explanation of any news event with some homespun conspiracy theory. It's an oppositional-defiance disorder. The rest of us really aren't that stupid and you aren't that smart. Come on, if you can't sell a conspiracy theory to Deckard, you're really off in the weeds all by yourself. In your mind, that must make your CT the most Truthy ever.
Yes, I admittedly I have a "kneejerk habit of immediately rejecting any explanation of any news event" spun by the PTB's spinmeisters that usually create an alternative explanation in hopes of shielding Islam, certain Presidents from scrutiny, and the New World Order/Agenda 21 plan. The rest of us really aren't that stupid and you aren't that smart. Don't fret; I don't regard you as "stupid" -- just naive and prone to a mentality that automatically accepts whatever "official" narrative tossed your way. I consider this phenomena a Stockholm Syndrome off-shoot. In your defense, it's understandable that most people would rather not consider just how much of a lie the "official" narratives are these days -- including of course the 9/11 narrative, 0bola's Manchurian life, and the JFK "single bullet/sniper" myth. Come on, if you can't sell a conspiracy theory to Deckard, you're really off in the weeds all by yourself. In your mind, that must make your CT the most Truthy ever. I know -- it's odd that Deckard is buying the "Official Report" right out of the shoot. Who bought him off?? ;-)
Like I said - sometimes crazy people do crazy things. There is no credible evidence that this was a muslim terrorist act, no mater how desperately you want it to be so.
All I am saying is that the facts have not been convincing enough to prove that the pilot was a muslim, let alone a terrorist. All the evidence is pure speculation at this point.
There just isn't enough credible evidence at this point to call this a muslim terrorist act. Sure, maybe I am usually one of the first to jump on the "conspiracy" train, but in this case I'm not buying the muslim terrorist story.
What's Michael Rivero's take on this? He always comes up with an alternative version on events. I think I'll go check his site right now.
Not desperate at all for the Muzzie sandal to fall off -- I know it's not coming. But is it really "crazy" to note that all these purposely crashed planes just happen to be tied to Islamists? The authorites went in exactly the direction I thought; Backed up this guy's "craziness" with the yarn about his mental illness, validated it with some "surprise evidence" of torn up mental health status reports (that didn't stop Lubitz from co-piloting planes), as well as the fiancee's confirmation that, yes, he WAS "crazy." (No news on the religion of Lubitz yet?? Lol...of course not) All the evidence is pure speculation at this point. Guess what? Any rejection of the 9/11 Official Report and presumption of alternative narratives still remain "speculation" as well. I think we can agree with this: The major media and world gubmint(s) have ZERO credibility. And a NWO/subversive agenda supersedes ANY need for the truth or justice.
That may be true in other cases - not here however. Germanwings Co-Pilot Andreas Lubitz Appears to Have Deliberately Crashed Plane With the plane markedly in descent, the captain can be heard knocking on the cockpit door. That sound swelled into frantic banging as the plane neared alpine peaks, setting off audible alarms. “The most plausible interpretation for us is that the co-pilot deliberately refused to open the cockpit door to the captain,” Mr. Robin said. Amid the cacophony, Mr. Lubitz remained silent, the prosecutor said. The only sound coming from the co-pilot, Mr. Robin said, was his breathing. The prosecutor marveled at how it didn’t waver as the A320 entered the final stages of its collision course. “He didn’t say a single word,” Mr. Robin said, adding: “It’s not the breathing of someone who is having a heart attack.” Seems to me that if the guy was indeed a muslim, there would be prayers or an "allah akbar" or two audible. I think we can agree with this: The major media and world gubmint(s) have ZERO credibility. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. And a NWO/subversive agenda supersedes ANY need for the truth or justice. I hardly think that this was all orchestrated by the NWO for their agenda. He was no doubt on some type of anti-depressant drugs, he was mentally unstable. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Maybe? lol Ps... sorry, couldn't resist. I'm not trying to stir shit up. Honest.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
If ISIS could score a victory this sweet, meaning 200 plus lives in a single terroristic act, they would have left enough evidence, To be found after the fact, to be claimed by them after its discovered. You can't stir up "terror", as a "terrorist", if you make people guess who done it. lol
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
OK, I did find one thing interesting, but as far as I can tell, it's just one guy who put up a Facebook page for the pilot, Andreas Lubitz. Kinda defeats the purpose, doesn't it?
Amid the cacophony, Mr. Lubitz remained silent, the prosecutor said. The only sound coming from the co-pilot, Mr. Robin said, was his breathing. The prosecutor marveled at how it didn’t waver as the A320 entered the final stages of its collision course. “He didn’t say a single word,” Mr. Robin said, adding: “It’s not the breathing of someone who is having a heart attack.” Seems to me that if the guy was indeed a muslim, there would be prayers or an "allah akbar" or two audible. Yes, I've read all the "Official Reports"....which aren't too detailed other than parroting the same old, "darkly disturbed" meme. I don't know if the lack of any audible "ALAHU AKBAR!!" chants serves as litmus test of a Muslim zealotry. Lubitz' style was more internal, obviously. Mr. Robin may have marveled at Lubitz' sedate, controlled breathing, but that is easily accountable as the result of plenty of Xanax or Valium that he may have been prescribed for his mental condition (as well as the eternal assurance of 72 virgins-in-waiting.) Confirmation of his religious affiliation IS indeed relevant and was too easily and initially dismissed otherwise. WHY is it deemed unimportant?? IF this heinous act was the portrayal of a "suicidal" maniac, then what is the motivation? "Just crazy" isn't nearly enough for the analytical skeptic. Was he a Satanist? Was he into the the Occult? Who was he "offended" by so much that 149 other people would satisfy his blood-lust? The guy was an avenger. But for what or whom? Just plain "crazy" doesn't premeditated plan the wholesale slaughter like this. Someone with an ideology *does.* Could one could make the case that Lubitz was either a Muslim...OR, Satanist? Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Sure. But am I to understand you now suddenly believe in a new matrix of authenticity and credibility of the major media and as well as world gubmint(s)? As well as their motivation to tell us THE truth? Ooo-kay. You've "evolved"! I hardly think that this was all orchestrated by the NWO for their agenda. He was no doubt on some type of anti-depressant drugs, he was mentally unstable. The NWO and PTB have orchestrated the cover-ups of lesser political/international problems. They do not want the Islamic Chaos Machine shutting down in Europe quite so soon. Were it revealed that Lubitz was a converted Muslim, the green-shoots of growing European nationalism and sovereignty might be seriously derailed. The damage inflicted by a strong, growing Islamic-Europe provides the same under-reported, but effective degree of chaos, demo-disruption, and excuse for a Central Police State that militant Mexican/Black/leftist-anarchists bring to the US. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Except when it's in Bubba's hand. ;-)
Maybe? lol Ps... sorry, couldn't resist. I'm not trying to stir shit up. Honest. And usually, *I'm* riding shotgun with the guy. Just for that, I'm going to find and post a 'Po-Po Taze Dangerous Beagle Puppy, Then Cap Its Azz' A Dozen Times -- And Laugh Over Cold Ones Afterward' story.
Negative. Any evidence would necessarily be buried; When the initial reports emerged that Lubitz was a Muslim, the sh*t was really about to hit the fan. HARD. It got shut down in a flash, while the "crazy" meme was activated even faster. This kind of PR would be reeeealy bad for both Euro-Muzzies, as well as the NWO Euro-Leaders who've been usurping the rights of its Europeans brethren, importing these barbarians, and hanging their own out to dry.
There are dual stories about TWO different Facebook sites having been up. The original was removed almost immediately. Always a red flag to me when the trail of crumbs to the Mother Lode is removed. The more confusion reigns, the more people lose interest and become disinterested. It'll be interesting to follow just how much interest the media and interweb show in this guy and case during this coming week. Will any new personal details, or personal interviews be conducted with family, friends, associates, and Lubitz' hard drive?
The "surprise evidence" are the torn-up results of tests done with two different ophthalmologists who he had consulted for his increasingly blurry vision due to a torn cornea. It was almost certainly going to end his career as a pilot when he took his next annual first-class physical. Vision and cardiac head the list of tests on these flight physicals. Apparently there was quite a haul of different anti-depressant meds confiscated from his apartment.
The Facebook page for Andrea Lubitz Fans might be pranksters. Or it might be CIA dangling some bait to see who hits the Like button or posts on it. We know that Creepbook cooperates fully with CIA and other intel operations around the world. Just like Google and Apple do.
You seem to be ignoring the fact that those "initial reports" were based on the musings of one individual on a personal blog site. The author put two and two together and came up with 5. The pilot was trained in a city (Bremen) where there exists a mosque that has recently been under investigation. He took a break from his job six years ago. And from those two pieces of "evidence" the author concluded that gosh, by golly - Andreas Lubitz MUST be a muslim terrorist. Look I have as much disdain for the MSM as anyone, but from what I have seen so far, there is really no solid evidence that points to this as a terrorist act. What Grand Island said was true. (I can't believe I just typed that) There's really no point to committing a terrorist act if no one knows that it is one. I'm not saying you are wrong Lib - I just need more information other than some sketchy circumstantial evidence posted on someone's blog.
Good reason not to open the actual page. I'm on too many government "lists" as it is.
Bookmarked forever! LOL
I was talking about in his home. They searched his house.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Ha ha...
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
There's really no point to committing a terrorist act if no one knows that it is one. You're riding shotgun with GI now?? Lol... Plane. Locked pilot cabin. Mountain. Mass Murder. You really don't believe there's no "signature" to this? Occam’s Razor applies. IN SPADES. Btw, no, I'm not ignoring the author's 2+2=5 initial reports... But what I will continue NOT to believe is that even IF the Lubitz' Bremen training and hiatus was 6 years ago, he can't be a Muslim. So...what WAS Lubitz doing for those 6 months? Have we an answer on that yet? There was a bit more to the "musings" of the blogger, Jim Hoft, took the info from a German blog (Michael Mannheimer), and translated it from there. What has happened to this blogger? Apparently there's a cyber Fort Marcy Park: Fehler 404. Die angeforderte Seite wurde nicht gefunden. Hoft, who runs The Gateway Pundit, is not exactly a tiny Mom & Pop blog operation or as discredited or as kooky as TC would have everyone believe: Whom do you think might want to discredit Jim Hoft or 'The Gateway Pundit'?? http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/ More info, different source: (snip) A police source in Dusseldorf revealed: “We have a team disassembling his computer, and that of his girlfriend, because the information that we received was that he trawled the dark side of the web visiting, among other things, sites containing gay porn, suicide themes and sexual perversions.” The reports emerged after police started examining documents and a computer from his flat in Dusseldorf – the same one where ripped-up sick notes were discovered in the rubbish. …… Reports have suggested he was troubled by his sexuality and also seeking treatment for vision problems. Lubitz had recent hospital treatment for his eyesight, according to officials close to the German investigation. It was also revealed that the 27-year-old was treated by four psychiatrists in the months leading up to the fatal plane crash, reported the Sun. http://www.libertynews.com/2015/03/police-germanwings-co-pilot-andreas-lubitz-surfed-suicide-gay-porn-sexual-fetish-sites-small-mountain-of-drugs-in-apt/ Move along, nothing to see. Bad eyesight, severe mental problems, treated by multiple psych docs, a possible HOMOSEXUAL....AND, very possibly, a Muslim convert. Nope, NO reason to replace Lubitz as a co-pilot. FWIW, Lufthansa's initial statement: Lubitz was “100% fit to fly.”
Yes. And I still maintain that any "evidence" would necessarily be sifted through and buried. Lost. Incinerated. And otherwise impossible to recover in a manner that would make Hitlery proud.
And *I'm* the CT'er?? Lol...
Wait a minute - you're saying that Lufthansa is in on the conspiracy as well? <http://www.libertynews.com/2015/03/police-germanwings-co-pilot-andreas-lubitz-surfed-suicide-gay-porn-sexual-fetish-sites-small-mountain-of-drugs-in-apt/ Gay porn fetish sites? Small mountain of drugs? That makes him a sexual deviant, not a muslim terrorist. As far as the drugs go, I am willing to stipulate that the doctor prescribed anti-depressant medication and whatever other ungodly concoction he was on is a contributing factor to his mental state.
The term son of perdition is used on twice, once for judas and once for the anti-Christ, now that's evil, I would add our last four presidents.
NYSlimes, today: The Rev. Michael Dietrich, pastor of a Lutheran church on the edge of town where Mr. Lubitz’s mother sometimes played the organ, tried to address the spiritual quandary during his regular sermon Sunday morning. The question posed itself for families of the victims, Pastor Dietrich said, “and also for the family of co-pilot Lubitz who many of us knew personally.” It may be that his mother just fills in for absences of the local organist, perhaps getting paid for the gig. I read elsewhere that the town and local area has a religious composition of 40% Roman Catholic, 33% Lutheran, 25% non-religious (which would leave 12% left over for Muslims, Prots, eastern religions, etc.).
The author put two and two together and came up with 5. I am glad you mentioned this as your high standards of sources is quite impeccable here on LF.
"For the Lord is our Judge, The Lord is our Lawgiver, The Lord is our King; He will save us" (Isaiah 33:22)
I'M saying, every part of this story smells straight up to high heaven (or rather straight down to the gates of hell.) Lufthansa is the parent company of GermanWings. Either they were grossly negligent in their ignorance of Lubitz as a drug-addled mental case, OR, they knew he was an unstable nut receiving heavy pharmaceutical treatment and counseling and yet till allowed Lubitz to co-pilot their equipment. Now which case is it? The narrative being hawked and reinforced 24/7 by the media (and their "parent company," the PTB) is still that Lubitz has simply been an absolute mental case for quite some time -- years. The supposed testimony of Lubitz' supposed ex-fiancee has been to support that notion. Then HOW can Lubitz' mental illness possibly be a surprise to Lufthansa/GermanWings? Gay porn fetish sites? Small mountain of drugs? That makes him a sexual deviant, not a muslim terrorist. This particular red herring is designed to throw everyone off the scent of investigating any past/recent Muslim leanings and interests. It also reinforces the role of major media as a crucial facilitator of disinformation. Of ALL people, you should know this. As far as the drugs go, I am willing to stipulate that the doctor prescribed anti-depressant medication and whatever other ungodly concoction he was on is a contributing factor to his mental state. Well, no kidding. It is the logical conclusion, but also feeds conveniently into the headline, 'DARKLY DISTURBED MAN ON ANTI-DEPRESSANTS KILLS SELF' But oh wait -- he murdered another 149 people. Mass murder still doesn't file the profile of a "darkly depressed" mental case, so what was the motivation? "Crazy" ain't cuttin' it. "Depressed" ain't cuttin' it. And still NO clarification of by authoritahs of Lubitz' "religion," yet no reporters are pressing for an answer? The drug scripts would help explain why Lubitz was so sedate (and not screaming, "Allahu Akbar!"), knowing full he was commandeering a suicide mission; The kind of confidant calm that's a trait of radical Muslim Kamikazes who believe their 72 virgins are at business end of their satanic transaction.
Too bad investigators at the crash site didn't confirm smashed watermelon and sledgehammer in the cockpit...worn clown shoes, or found a bloody puppet entangled on his lap. Now THAT would have convinced me to dismiss the "A-HA! Muzzie!" angle.
The Rev. Michael Dietrich, pastor of a Lutheran church on the edge of town where Mr. Lubitz’s mother sometimes played the organ, tried to address the spiritual quandary during his regular sermon Sunday morning. The question posed itself for families of the victims, Pastor Dietrich said, “and also for the family of co-pilot Lubitz who many of us knew personally.” Well, there might be anger in this quaint little town, but they're gonna have to suck it up. I commend any reporters who are able to find ANY local scoop on their local demon, but I doubt it. They're better off visiting Bremen. Lubitz mother had been the organist for a while according to reports I'd seen....It's obviously her church, could be it's a paid gig in any case. The local Lutheran reverend (according to reports) was said to be "praying" for sonny-boy family, as well as for the families 149 murder victims. I'd loved to have heard his sermon yesterday. The same Lutheran Rev. Dietrich admitted he remembered Lubitz....but it was 13-14 years ago. It's noted he claims, Dietrich is praying "for the family of co-pilot Lubitz who many of us knew personally.” Are we to interpret this statement has also including Andreas Lubitz, Hometown-boy-makes-bad? OR, everyone BUT?
They've recovered part of Lubitz's body. We'll likely soon have some numbers on how much and what kind of SSRIs (and other drugs) he was using.
Ambiguous, perhaps deliberately so. Lutheran clergy can be a little cagey. Or it's just a case of so-so translation from German. Because pilots have medical privacy. They do have to pass the annual flight physicals but are otherwise private about their medical care. Only the flight physicals are released to the company. So any psychiatric or vision testing would be private and the airline would have no idea at all. I see that they're now saying that Lubitz thought he had a torn cornea giving him blurry vision in one eye. Supposedly, the exams from the two ophthalmologists indicated no physical defects and suggested his blurry vision was psychosomatic but Lubitz remained convinced that he would fail his next flight physical on the vision tests. Another Euroweenie airline switched to the two-people-in-cockpit-at-all-times rule like America has had since 9/11. I bet they will all switch by the end of the week, at least for passenger flights.
Since when are "musings" a bad thing? That's the heart and soul of a CT'er! Sources...sources...I remember the days when ol' Deckard would rightfully ridicule those (yukon) whose gold standards of of truth and info were indeed the NYT, FOX, the MSM. THAT said... 'Gateway Pundit' IS a great, credible blog and source of current non-MSM stories. Jim Hoft took and ran with the Muzzie-angle reported from no AWOL German blogger (Michael Mannheimer.) That there is no further back-up of Mannheimer's report doesn't necessarily discredit either; Just doesn't confirm what had been reported. Here's an interesting observation from a Freeper's own observations that should raise a few eyebrows and suspicions: We DO NOT KNOW the motive for this mass murder. This morning that when I read the Daily Mail report, I looked to the FB site for “Kathrin Goldbach” to see if there were any clues, and found a FB site for a German “Kathrin Goldbach” which had been up for several years, and had a link “liking” an Islamic group which called for Muslims to “Fight Like Ali, and Die Like Hussain,” a link to a group popular with Syrians, numerous Pakistani girlfriends, and one Pakistani female friend who posted a photo of smiling Muslim women holding submachine guns along with the text “verry nice.” I found this disturbing, especially after FB site got quickly taken down after the DM report. It may all be a coincidence, but examining, since the motive is unknown. While there is debate on issues of depression, etc., we don’t see many people who are “depressed” committing mass murder of 150 people. Is that logic being used to realize the need investigate other aspects of this mass murder? Fascinating Facebook entry by Lubitz girlfriend, Kathrin Goldbach -- would you all agree? Of course, some are going to doubt the validity of Goldbach's entry, aren't they? Let's remember -- the two lovebirds, Lubitz and Goldbach were together, what? 7 years?? Maybe now-disappeared blogger Michael Mannheimer was onto something, eh? Maybe a conspiracy IS afoot...eh??
We'll likely soon have some numbers on how much and what kind of SSRIs (and other drugs) he was using. No doubt that his scattered remains will have been found to have been saturated with a cocktail of drugs... I'm obviously far more interested in the scrutiny of his contacts, friends, passport history, paper/cyber trail and emails, religion, ideology...and new found dreams, hobbies and activities.
Only the flight physicals are released to the company. So any psychiatric or vision testing would be private and the airline would have no idea at all. ...I see that they're now saying that Lubitz thought he had a torn cornea giving him blurry vision in one eye. I realize there's a medical privacy issue that's respected in Germany. But to what extent and liability? If Lubitz divulged thoughts of suicide or murder to his mental health "Consigliere," is the law structured that it can not be shared with authoritahs (or employer) -- no matter how heinous or dangerous? Zilch obligation by either party? Or what of the extent of "privacy" in a case of a pilot with legal blindness? Is this some kind of "honor system" where the ONLY the patient can share info, and only at his/her discretion? Another Euroweenie airline switched to the two-people-in-cockpit-at-all-times rule like America has had since 9/11. I bet they will all switch by the end of the week, at least for passenger flights. Can o' worms....The events of 9/11 screwed our world a thousand different ways. Might be prudent to employ air marshals or, at minimum, the employment of a private, stealth, armed "passenger." But again, this is Europe.
That's an important piece to answer. Depressed people usually don't take loads of other people with them.
"For the Lord is our Judge, The Lord is our Lawgiver, The Lord is our King; He will save us" (Isaiah 33:22)
It is medical privacy just like we have in the States. Strictly confidential. Much of what is known publicly comes from what has been found in his apartment.
#2. To: TooConservative (#1)
#3. To: Vicomte13 (#2)
If true, it would be a case of mental illness.
#4. To: TooConservative, Vicomte13 (#3)
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Sounds closer to cunning evil to me.
#5. To: TooConservative (#1)
#6. To: out damned spot (#0)
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#7. To: jeremiad (#5)
I don't believe a word that she is saying. IF it was a true story, and she knew he was a pilot, she would and should have told someone. This is a cover story for some reason.
#8. To: Pericles (#4)
If I can speak on a trippy level - could it be the loss of spiritualism has made people who are 'crazy' unable to deal with their insanity. Mental illness can't easily be treated - we are on a primitive level in understanding the mind and even if we gain knowledge how do we 'rewire' the mind to work normally? What's normal anyway? Just thinking outside of the box. Religions - even the non Christian ones - were born to help people cope in their world and give them comfort.
#9. To: TooConservative (#8)
So...Hitler was just maladjusted? Stalin was in a bad mood? Mao just had some bad days?
#10. To: Pericles (#9)
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I know many people say Hitler and Stalin were 'crazy' but they were not clinically insane - just bad people.
I am talking about people who are depressed and schizophrenic.
#11. To: TooConservative (#10)
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I know many people say Hitler and Stalin were 'crazy' but they were not clinically insane - just bad people.
#12. To: jeremiad (#5)
I don't believe a word that she is saying. IF it was a true story, and she knew he was a pilot, she would and should have told someone. This is a cover story for some reason.
#13. To: Pericles (#11)
The Aztecs did not think human sacrifice was evil and were shocked and confused when the Cortez said to them it was.
#14. To: Pericles (#11)
Evil is subjective.
#15. To: A K A Stone, TooConservative (#14)
No it isn't. I see what your mental problem is now. You don't know the difference between good and evil.
#16. To: jeremiad (#5)
I don't believe a word that she is saying. IF it was a true story, and she knew he was a pilot, she would and should have told someone. This is a cover story for some reason.
#17. To: TooConservative (#8)
I think there is evil.
#18. To: TooConservative (#10)
Maybe he was depressed because he realized he was evil.
Matthew Chapter Twenty-seven
#19. To: BobCeleste (#18)
5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.
#20. To: out damned spot (#0)
'I'm planning a heinous act that will be remembered forever'
#21. To: TooConservative (#8)
#22. To: TooConservative (#13)
#23. To: Vicomte13 (#21)
#24. To: Pericles (#23)
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#25. To: jeremiad (#5)
"This is a cover story for some reason."
#26. To: Vicomte13 (#21)
Evil is. And it is stronger than unaided man. Good is stronger still than it, but men have to hold onto it, and resist the weakness, and they have to have the intestinal fortitude to restrict "human rights' to the extent necessary to not let the Devil lay open traps.
#27. To: Vicomte13 (#22)
Aztecs didn't sacrifice THEMSELVES.
#28. To: TooConservative (#26)
#29. To: TooConservative (#27)
The first known sacrifice was a daughter of the Aztec king.
#30. To: Vicomte13, redleghunter, BobCeleste, Don (#28)
So, God is the creator of Evil.
#31. To: Vicomte13 (#21)
Guardian angels at the door will drive off demons and tamp down temptation, and it's much easier for them to do that for people who are marked with seal of baptism, anointed with the oil of chrismation. These things are not exactly Passover blood smeared on the doorposts of the soul, but they certainly keep the Guardian Angels closer to their post.
#32. To: TooConservative (#30)
#33. To: TooConservative, out damned spot, Vicomte13 (#1)
(Edited)
Pretty much explains it all. Except what his unknown medical condition was.
#34. To: Vicomte13, TooConservative (#2)
If true, it would be a case of mental illness.
#35. To: Pericles (#4)
If I can speak on a trippy level - could it be the loss of spiritualism has made people who are 'crazy' unable to deal with their insanity.
#36. To: jeremiad (#5)
I don't believe a word that she is saying. IF it was a true story, and she knew he was a pilot, she would and should have told someone. This is a cover story for some reason.
#37. To: TooConservative, jeremiad (#7)
Maybe she did tell someone else and it hasn't come out yet. Usually, a girl will tell friends or family the reasons if she breaks off an engagement.
#38. To: Liberator (#37)
#39. To: Vicomte13 (#21)
The only real question was whether he ever had much of a chance to BE a white pawn. Was he baptized? Was he taught anything about God?
#40. To: jeremiad (#38)
#41. To: Liberator (#33)
(Edited)
Let's put to rest all that nonsense on any speculative presumption or sources that Lubitz attended a Mosque, converted to Islam
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
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#42. To: Deckard, Liberator (#41)
Gateway Pundit writes, "A German news website claims Andreas Lubitz was a Muslim convert.
#43. To: Liberator (#35)
I'll give you that premise. But by "spiritualism," do you mean in the context of a "loss" of discerning right and wrong, good from evil?....Or am I misrepresenting your gist?
#44. To: Liberator (#34)
So...willl the authoritahs ever divulge Lubitz' religion?
#45. To: TooConservative (#44)
The main surprise would be if a German had any religion at all.
#46. To: Pericles (#45)
That is what I was getting at - does the lack of a spiritual culture increase mental illness?
#47. To: Deckard, TooConservative (#41)
(Edited)
Not buying the muslim terrorist angle here. There has been no credible evidence that would point to this as a terrorist act.
#48. To: Liberator, Deckard (#47)
The ol' Matrix Red Pill, Blue Pill conundrum is where we've been at since 9/11.
#49. To: TooConservative, Deckard (#48)
(Edited)
You kinda have a kneejerk habit of immediately rejecting any explanation of any news event with some homespun conspiracy theory.
#50. To: Liberator (#47)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#51. To: Liberator (#49)
(Edited)
I know -- it's odd that Deckard is buying the "Official Report" right out of the shoot.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#52. To: TooConservative (#48)
Come on, if you can't sell a conspiracy theory to Deckard, you're really off in the weeds all by yourself.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
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#53. To: Deckard (#52)
#54. To: Deckard, TooConservative (#50)
There is no credible evidence that this was a muslim terrorist act, no mater how desperately you want it to be so.
#55. To: Liberator (#54)
(Edited)
But is it really "crazy" to note that all these purposely crashed planes just happen to be tied to Islamists?
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#56. To: Deckard (#52)
(Edited)
Sure, maybe I am usually one of the first to jump on the "conspiracy" train
#57. To: Deckard, liberator (#55)
(Edited)
Seems to me that if the guy was indeed a muslim, there would be prayers or an "allah akbar" or two audible.
#58. To: Liberator, TooConservative, AKA Stone (#54)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#59. To: GrandIsland (#57)
You can't stir up "terror", as a "terrorist", if you make people guess who done it. lol
#60. To: Deckard (#55)
The most plausible interpretation for us is that the co-pilot deliberately refused to open the cockpit door to the captain,” Mr. Robin said.
#61. To: GrandIsland, Deckard (#56)
(Edited)
Sure, maybe I am usually one of the first to jump on the "conspiracy" train
#62. To: GrandIsland, Deckard (#57)
If ISIS could score a victory this sweet, meaning 200 plus lives in a single terroristic act, they would have left enough evidence, To be found after the fact, to be claimed by them after its discovered.
#63. To: Deckard (#58)
#64. To: Liberator (#54)
The authorites went in exactly the direction I thought; Backed up this guy's "craziness" with the yarn about his mental illness, validated it with some "surprise evidence" of torn up mental health status reports (that didn't stop Lubitz from co-piloting planes), as well as the fiancee's confirmation that, yes, he WAS "crazy."
#65. To: Deckard (#58)
#66. To: Liberator, GrandIsland, TooConservative (#62)
(Edited)
When the initial reports emerged that Lubitz was a Muslim, the sh*t was really about to hit the fan.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#67. To: TooConservative (#65)
The Facebook page for Andrea Lubitz Fans might be pranksters. Or it might be CIA dangling some bait to see who hits the Like button or posts on it. We know that Creepbook cooperates fully with CIA and other intel operations around the world.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#68. To: Deckard, GrandIsland (#66)
What Grand Island said was true. (I can't believe I just typed that)
#69. To: Liberator (#62)
Any evidence would necessarily be buried;
#70. To: TooConservative (#68)
Bookmarked forever!
#71. To: Deckard, GrandIsland, TooConservative, ALL (#66)
What Grand Island said was true. (I can't believe I just typed that)
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#72. To: GrandIsland (#69)
I was talking about in his home. They searched his house.
#73. To: TooConservative, Deckard (#65)
The Facebook page for Andrea Lubitz Fans might be pranksters. Or it might be CIA dangling some bait to see who hits the Like button or posts on it.
#74. To: Liberator (#71)
(Edited)
Nope, NO reason to replace Lubitz as a co-pilot. FWIW, Lufthansa's initial statement: Lubitz was “100% fit to fly.”
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#75. To: TooConservative (#19)
#76. To: Liberator (#73)
#77. To: Liberator (#62)
Then the initial reports emerged that Lubitz was a Muslim, the sh*t was really about to hit the fan.
And there is anger at the media onslaught that, for several days, made it almost impossible to walk the cobblestones of the city’s picturesque old quarter without being accosted by a camera crew looking for local reaction.
#78. To: Deckard, Liberator, TooConservative (#66)
You seem to be ignoring the fact that those "initial reports" were based on the musings of one individual on a personal blog site.
#79. To: Deckard, TooConservative, redleghunter, jeremaid, Stoner, A K A Stoner, CZ82 (#74)
Wait a minute - you're saying that Lufthansa is in on the conspiracy as well?
#80. To: TooConservative (#76)
#81. To: TooConservative, Deckard, redleghunter, jeremaid, Stoner, A K A Stoner, CZ82, Vicomte13 (#77)
And there is anger at the media onslaught that, for several days, made it almost impossible to walk the cobblestones of the city’s picturesque old quarter without being accosted by a camera crew looking for local reaction.
It may be that his mother just fills in for absences of the local organist, perhaps getting paid for the gig.
#82. To: Liberator (#80)
Too bad investigators at the crash site didn't confirm smashed watermelon and sledgehammer in the cockpit...worn clown shoes, or found a bloody puppet entangled on his lap. Now THAT would have convinced me to dismiss the "A-HA! Muzzie!" angle.
#83. To: Liberator (#81)
(Edited)
It's noted he claims, Dietrich is praying "for the family of co-pilot Lubitz who many of us knew personally.”
The narrative being hawked and reinforced 24/7 by the media (and their "parent company," the PTB) is still that Lubitz has simply been an absolute mental case for quite some time -- years. The supposed testimony of Lubitz' supposed ex-fiancee has been to support that notion. Then HOW can Lubitz' mental illness possibly be a surprise to Lufthansa/GermanWings?
#84. To: redleghunter, TooConservative, Deckard, jeremaid, Stoner, A K A Stoner, CZ82, Grand Island, Vicomte13 (#78)
To: allendale
#85. To: TooConservative (#82)
They've recovered part of Lubitz's body.
#86. To: TooConservative (#83)
....Pilots have medical privacy. They do have to pass the annual flight physicals but are otherwise private about their medical care.
#87. To: Liberator (#79)
Well, no kidding. It is the logical conclusion, but also feeds conveniently into the headline, 'DARKLY DISTURBED MAN ON ANTI-DEPRESSANTS KILLS SELF' But oh wait -- he murdered another 149 people. Mass murder still doesn't file the profile of a "darkly depressed" mental case, so what was the motivation? "Crazy" ain't cuttin' it. "Depressed" ain't cuttin' it. And still NO clarification of by authoritahs of Lubitz' "religion," yet no reporters are pressing for an answer?
#88. To: Liberator (#86)
If Lubitz divulged thoughts of suicide or murder to his mental health "Consigliere," is the law structured that it can not be shared with authoritahs (or employer) -- no matter how heinous or dangerous? Zilch obligation by either party? Or what of the extent of "privacy" in a case of a pilot with legal blindness? Is this some kind of "honor system" where the ONLY the patient can share info, and only at his/her discretion?
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