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Title: Germanwings co-pilot DELIBERATELY crashed Flight 4U9525 into mountain to 'destroy the plane' after locking his captain out of cockpit, reveals French prosecutor
Source: TheDailyMail
URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... Airbus-A320-Barcelonnette.html
Published: Mar 26, 2015
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BREAKING NEWS: Germanwings co-pilot DELIBERATELY crashed Flight 4U9525 into mountain to 'destroy the plane' after locking his captain out of cockpit, reveals French prosecutor

  • Black box voice recorder reveals final chilling moments of Airbus A320
  • Prosecutor: 'Death was instant. You only hear screams in final seconds'
  • Co-pilot was named today as 28-year-old German Andreas Günter Lubitz
  • Prosecutor says he does not believe disaster was terrorism or suicide

The co-pilot of the doomed Germanwings Airbus A320 locked his captain out of the cockpit before deliberately crashing into a mountain to 'destroy the plane', it was sensationally revealed today.

French prosecutor Brice Robin gave further chilling details of the final ten minutes in the cockpit before the Airbus A320 plunged into the French Alps killing 150 people.

Revealing data from the black box voice recorder, he said the co-pilot - named as 28-year-old German Andreas Günter Lubitz - locked his captain out after the senior officer left the cockpit.

At that point, Lubitz uses the flight monitoring system to put the plane into a descent, something that can only be done manually.

He said: 'The intention was to destroy the plane. Death was instant. The plane hit the mountain at 700km per hour.

'I don't think that the passengers realised what was happening until the last moments because on the recording you only hear the screams in the final seconds'.

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First picture: Germanwings co-pilot - 28-year-old German Andreas Günter Lubitz (above) - locked his captain out of the cockpit before deliberately crashing into a mountain to 'destroy the plane', it has been revealed
French prosecutor Brice Robin sensationally reveals that the co-pilot of the doomed Germanwings Airbus A320 locked his captain out of the cockpit before deliberately crashing into a mountain to 'destroy the plane'
Locked out? Inside the cockpit of an Airbus A320. Audio files claim that the pilot could be heard knocking lightly on the door before trying to smash it down

After being locked out, the captain - named by local media as German father-of-two Patrick S - can then be heard asking for access, to which he gets no response.

He knocks and asks him to open the door and then starts banging furiously when he receives no reply.

Mr Robin said Lubitz 'voluntarily' refused to open the door and his breathing was normal throughout the final minutes of the flight.

He said: 'His breath was not of somebody who was struggling. He never said a single word. It was total silence in the cockpit for the ten past minutes. Nothing.'

Mr Robin said he had no known links with terrorism, adding: 'There is no reason to suspect a terrorist attack.'

And asked whether he believed the crash that killed 150 people was the result of suicide, he said: 'People who commit suicide usually do so alone... I don't call it a suicide.'

PriorHe said the co-pilot's responses, initially courteous, became 'curt' when the captain began the mid-flight briefing on the planned landing of the Germanwings flight.

The revelations came after audio files taken from the black box recorder suggested that one of the pilots was forced to try and smash down the door after being unable to enter the flight deck, according to the New York Times.

Experienced pilots today told MailOnline that under normal conditions crew have an emergency access code to enter the cockpit through the locked door.

They can only be stopped from using it if whoever is inside the cockpit manually – and intentionally – disables it.

The revelation will heighten fears that suicide or a terror attack was the cause of the disaster.

Locks on cockpit doors were introduced throughout the world's airlines in the aftermath of 9/11 to keep terrorists from taking the controls in a hijacking.

Audio taken from the black box voice recorder (pictured) that was salvaged from the obliterated wreckage of the Airbus A320 indicates the pilot left the cockpit and could not re-enter, it has been reported

Audio taken from the black box voice recorder (pictured) that was salvaged from the obliterated wreckage of the Airbus A320 indicates the pilot left the cockpit and could not re-enter, it has been reported

Tony Newton, a Civil Aviation Authority examiner and commercial pilot with 20 years' experience of flying A320 aircraft, told MailOnline: 'This takes the whole thing off in a different direction.

'Blocking access requires a deliberate action on behalf of the pilot. It's a pretty dark thing to have happened.'

Cockpit recordings recovered from the crash site indicated one of the seats was pushed back and the door opened and closed.

An unnamed military investigator told the New York Times: 'The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer.

'And then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer. You can hear he is trying to smash the door down.'

A source told AFP news agency that an alarm indicating the proximity to the ground could be heard before the moment of impact.

The recording has shed new light on the missing eight minutes from 10.31am when air traffic controllers lost contact with the pilots, who failed to send any distress signal.

Details from the first report submitted by the French to the German government revealed that at 10.31am, the 24-year-old Airbus A320 left its assigned altitude and began dropping towards the ground at a speed of 3,500ft per minute, before smashing into a ravine at 6,200ft.

HOW ACCESS TO THE COCKPIT DOOR CAN BE DISABLED FROM THE INSIDE

Access to the cockpit door on the Germanwings Airbus A320 (like the one above) can be disabled from inside the flight deck, raising speculation that one of the pilots deliberately locked the other out

Access to the cockpit door on the Germanwings Airbus A320 (like the one above) can be disabled from inside the flight deck, raising speculation that one of the pilots deliberately locked the other out

The Airbus A320 is fitted with a locking mechanism to prevent unauthorised access to the flight deck while the aircraft is in flight.

The safety systems were improved in the aftermath of the 9/11 terror attacks where hijackers were able to gain access to the cockpit and take over the aircraft.

In normal flight, the door to the flight is closed and locked.

Cabin crew can use a code and gain access to the flight deck. Entry is controlled by the flight crew, in case of a possible hijack attempt.

The Cockpit Door Locking System (CDLS) according to the flight manual 'provides a means of electrically locking and unlocking the cockpit door'.

The CDLS is located in the central pedestal between both pilots and has a toggle switch which controls the door.

They also have a CCTV camera so they can see who is seeking access, and if they are under any form of duress.

Pilots can restrict access to the flight deck although cabin crew can gain entry in an emergency. However, this emergency access can be over-ridden by the pilot for between five to 20 minutes.

The limited time to keep the door closed is itself a safety feature, in case the flight crew become incapacitated - known in the industry as 'incap'.

After the predeterminted time, the keypad on the outside of the cockpit door will become operational again, unless the pilot actively restricts access again.

Also the cockpit door has several other safety features in case of a sudden decompression which will cause the door to open.

According to the flight manual there are 'routine' and 'emergency' access requests.

'The toggle switch enables the flight crew to lock or unlock the cockpit door, following an access request, thereby allowing or denying the entry to the cockpit.'

The Cockpit Door Locking System, pictured, has several safety features to prevent unauthorised access to the cabin, however, this can be overridden if the flight crew become incapacitated for any reason

The Cockpit Door Locking System, pictured, has several safety features to prevent unauthorised access to the cabin, however, this can be overridden if the flight crew become incapacitated for any reason

The flight manual states that the control unit is responsible for:

  • Locking or unlocking the door latches, upon flight crew action
  • Unlocking the door i, in case of cockpit decompression (the door then opens towards the cockpit under differential pressure)
  • Indicating system failures of electrical latches and pressure sensors
  • Activating the access request buzzer and turning on the keypad LEDs

On the Airbus A320, there are three settings:

  • Unlock: This position is used to enable the cabin crew member to open the door. The switch must be pulled and maintained in the unlocked position until the door is pushed open.
  • Normal: All latches are locked, and EMERGENCY access is possible for the cabin crew
  • Lock: Once the button has been moved to this position, the door is locked; emergency access, the buzzer, and the keypad are inhibited for a preselected time (5 to 20 min)

The revelation is the first insight into what took place on the aircraft in the moments before the plane plummetted into the mountainside, killing all 150 people on board. Above, the crash site today

The revelation is the first insight into what took place on the aircraft in the moments before the plane plummetted into the mountainside, killing all 150 people on board. Above, the crash site today

Obliterated: Search and rescue teams sift through the wreckage of the Germanwings plane on Wednesday

Obliterated: Search and rescue teams sift through the wreckage of the Germanwings plane on Wednesday

The report said controllers tried three times on an assigned radio frequency to contact the pilots before switching to international emergency channels.

No one answered and a French Mirage fighter jet was scrambled.

The pilots have been the focus of the investigation from the outset, yet Germanwings' parent company Lufthansa still refuses to release their identities, not even their age or nationalities.

The firm has only confirmed that the captain had 6,000 flying hours and been a Germanwings pilot since May 2014, having previously flown for Lufthansa and Condor.

He was named by Germany's BILD newspaper today as German father-of-two Patrick S, without giving a surname.

His co-pilot was named as 28-year-old Andreas Günter Lubitz, who had just 600 hours of flying experience after joining Germanwings in 2013 straight from training.

He was, however, highly regarded, having won an award from the Federal Aviation Administration in 2013 for his outstanding flying skills.

A member of the LSC Westerwald flying club in Montabaur, had a flat in Dusseldorf but also lived in Montabaur where he was raised.

A black ribbon bearing the number of the doomed Germanwings flight he was aboard appeared on his flying club's website on Thursday.

A tribute to him read; 'With great dismay, the members of the LSC Westerwald e.V have heard of the crash of Germanwings flight 4U9525. With horror we acknowledge that among the dead is a longtime member of our association.

'Andreas died as First Officer on the tragic flight.

'As a teenager Andreas joined our club to realise his dream of flying. He started as a glider student and made it to be a pilot on an Airbus A320.

'It was his dream fulfilled, the dream he so dearly for with his life. The members of the LSC Westerwald mourn Andreas and the other 149 victims of the disaster. Our deepest sympathy goes out to the victims of all nationalities.

'We will not forget Andreas.'

People hold a minute of silence outside Joseph-Koenig-Gymnasium high school in Haltern am See, March, 26, 2015. The deaths of 16 teenage students and two young teachers in the Germanwings plane crash in the French Alps left the lakeside town of Haltern am See in a state of shock on Wednesday, with the German nation sharing in their mourning and grief. REUTERS/Ina Fassbender

People hold a minute of silence outside Joseph-Koenig-Gymnasium high school in Haltern am See, March, 26, 2015. The deaths of 16 teenage students and two young teachers in the Germanwings plane crash in the French Alps left the lakeside town of Haltern am See in a state of shock on Wednesday, with the German nation sharing in their mourning and grief. REUTERS/Ina Fassbender

Principal of the Joseph-Koenig-Gymnasium high school Ulrich Wessel (second left) and students gather in front of flowers and candles to pay tribute to the 16 children and two teachers who died in the Airbus disaster

Principal of the Joseph-Koenig-Gymnasium high school Ulrich Wessel (second left) and students gather in front of flowers and candles to pay tribute to the 16 children and two teachers who died in the Airbus disaster

A CHILLING HISTORY OF FLIGHT CREWS IN POSSIBLE SUICIDE ATTEMPTS

EGYPTAIR FLIGHT 990

On October 31, 1999, an EgyptAir flight crashed into the Atlantic Ocean approximately 30 minutes after leaving John F Kennedy Airport in New York.

The Boeing 767-366 had 14 crew and 203 passengers on board.

The National Transport Safety Board who investigated the disaster blamed the crash on the flight's relief first officer.

Captain Gamil al-Batouti said he would relieve the current pilot - even though he wasn't due on the flight deck for a further three hours.

The co-pilot remained with al-Batouti, but when the co-pilot went for a toilet break, the aircraft went into a steep dive and crashed into the sea, killing everyone on board.

The cockpit flight recorder heard al-Batouti claim in Arabic 'I place my fate in the hands of God' before the aircraft hit the ocean.

El-Batouty even shut down the aircraft's engines, which prevented his co-pilot from saving the aircraft.

According to the NTSB 'the probable cause of the crash of EgyptAir flight 990 was the airplane's departure from normal cruise flight and subsequent impact with the Atlantic Ocean as a result of the relief first officer's flight control inputs.

'The reason for the relief first officer's actions was not determined.'

SILKAIR FLIGHT 185

A Boeing 737 with 97 passengers and seven crew crashed into the Musi River in southern Sumatra, Indonesia, on December 19, 1997.

The NTSB investigated this crash as it involved a US-built aircraft and determined that the jet crashed due the 'direct flight control inputs' of the pilot, probably the captain.

However, in both cases, Egyptian and Indonesian authorities do not accept that either of their pilots would have deliberately crashed their own aircraft.

LAM FLIGHT 470

On November 29, 2013, LAM flight 470 crashed on a scheduled passenger flight between Maputo, Mozambique and Luanda, Angola.

Air crash investigators think the Embraer 190 jet was flown into the ground by the captain after his copilot went to the toilet, killing everyone.

The jet's captain, Herminio dos Santos Fernandes was believed to have had serious personal problems at the time of his death.

When his co-pilot went to the toilet, flight data information recovered from the scene found that Fernandes manually changed the aircraft's altitude from 38,000 feet to almost 600 feet below ground level.

He also pushed the aircraft's throttles back to idle and selected the jet's maximum operating speed.

Chillingly, the cockpit voice recorder picked up the sound of the co-pilot pounding on the door in an attempt to regain access to the flight deck.

FEDERAL EXPRESS FLIGHT 705

Auburn Calloway boarded the McDonnell Douglas DC-10 jet in Memphis, Tennessee on a flight to San Jose, California on April 7, 1994.

He was under investigation by his employers over claims he may have over inflated his flying experience to get a job as a flight engineer.

The former Navy pilot carried a guitar case containing several hammers and a speargun onto the flight.

Once airborne, Calloway entered the flight deck and attacked David Sanders, James Tucker and Andrew Peterson.

Despite suffering grave injuries, the flight crew managed to overpower Calloway and safely land the jet.

Calloway wanted to crash the aircraft so his family could claim the $2.5million life insurance policy.

Debris from the jet, operated by Lufthansa's Germanwings budget airline, was found near Barcelonnette

CONTROLLERS' ATTEMPTS TO CONTACT PILOTS AFTER RADIO SILENCE

Air traffic controllers made several failed attempts to contact the pilots of the doomed Germanwings plane in the minutes after losing radio communication with the cockpit, an air crash report revealed.

Germany's BILD newspaper published on its website details of the first report about the crash which it claims was submitted by the French to the German government after the disaster.

It states: 'Normal operating conditions for the French air traffic control. All technical systems were in normal operation.'

It corroborates earlier reports that contact with the pilots was lost at 10.31am, adding: 'Germanwings 4U9525 leaves its cruising altitude without informing French air traffic control and starts a descent at an average rate of decline observed by radar... of 3,500 feet per minute'.

Air traffic controllers attempted to establish 'wireless connection on the operating frequency which is not answered' by the cockpit, the report says.

Further attempts are made by radio contact on the international emergency frequency, but there was again no response.

At 10.35am, air traffic controllers 'raise the internationally standardized 'emergency level' (DETRESFA distress phase) and contacts the national headquarters of the French search and rescue service.'

One final and attempt is made to contact the pilots on the international emergency frequency a minute later, but that also fails.

The Germanwings flight disappeared from radar at 10.40am at an altitude of around 6,200ft, the report states.

Two minutes later - at 10.42am - air traffic control informs the national headquarters of the French search and rescue service about the loss of the radar target.

Two military helicopters are sent in the direction of the last known location, but are unable to detect the aircraft's emergency transmitter.

His name appears in the prestigious FAA Airmen Certification Database.

The database, which appears on the agency's website at www.faa.gov, names Lubitz and other certified pilots who have met or exceeded 'the high educational, licensing and medical standards established by the FAA.'

The FAA said: 'Pilot certification standards have evolved over time in an attempt to reduce pilot errors that lead to fatal crashes.

'FAA standards, which are set in consultation with the aviation industry and the public, are among the highest in the world.

'Transportation safety experts strongly recommend against flying with an uncertified pilot. FAA pilot certification can be the difference between a safe flight and one that ends in tragedy.'

A Lufthansa spokeswoman said she could neither confirm nor deny their identities.

It is not known which one was locked in the cockpit, however French TV news channel BFMTV is reporting claims that it was the captain at the controls.

The German pilots' union refused to comment on the revelations and said they will not be giving any more information until the next Germanwings press conference at 1.30pm GMT.

The Lufthansa flight training school say they have been told to release no information.

The revelations from the cockpit voice recorder has led to speculation that the crash was deliberate – either caused by a suicidal pilot or as a result of terrorist activity.

Such possibilities are being considered by Brice Robin, the Marseille Prosecutor, who has opened a criminal enquiry.

This theory has been strengthened following revelations about the locking mechanism on the cockpit door which requires deliberate action from inside the flight deck to disable the access code.

Under strengthened security measures introduced after the September 11, 2001 hijackings and attacks, authorisation to open a cockpit door can only come from inside and from a pilot.

Mr Newton told MailOnline: 'When the cockpit door is locked, it is possible for the crew to punch in a code from the outside and gain access, unless the person in the cockpit over-rides it.

'The person in the cockpit can see them on CCTV trying to get in, and flick the switch to block their request. This is in case an undesirable person outside is trying to gain access.

'If the person in the cockpit doesn't want you coming in, you're not coming in.

'In the system used by the majority of airlines, if the pilot passes out in the cockpit, you can always get in.'

Mr Newton said there have been examples of pilots committing suicide by crashing their planes, notably the Egypt Air Crash in 1999 and the Silk Air disaster in 1997.

He added: 'And then there is obviously 9/11, which was for ideological reasons.

'It is almost certainly either ideological or the result of depression. It's too early to say for sure, but the options are narrowing.

'Outside of that, there would have to be significant new information for us to draw a different conclusion. It's a pretty dark thing to have happened.'

Solving the puzzle: A spokesman for the BEA, France's accident investigation office, confirmed yesterday that voices could be heard on the damaged voice recorder, which covered the flight 'from departure to crash'

Solving the puzzle: A spokesman for the BEA, France's accident investigation office, confirmed yesterday that voices could be heard on the damaged voice recorder, which covered the flight 'from departure to crash'

Another aviation expert told AFP: 'If the pilots did not stop the airplane from flying into the mountains, it is because they were unconscious or dead, or they had decided to die, or they were forced to die.'

The cockpit door also has several other safety features in case of a sudden decompression which will cause the door to open.

This could rule out a scenario where the pilot locked the door as a safety precaution because of a structural failure in the cockpit which caused a drop in oxygen levels.

A spokesman for the BEA, France's accident investigation office, would not comment on the revelations last night.

Earlier in the day, BEA spokesman Remi Jouty confirmed voices could be heard on the damaged voice recorder, which covered the flight 'from departure to crash'.

But they warned that it could take 'days, weeks and even months' before analysts were able to determine exactly what it being said or what the noises are.

The cockpit voice recorder is designed to store two hours of conversation and withstand impacts of as much as 3,400 times the force of gravity.

The breakthrough in the investigation came as bereaved families began arriving from Spain and Germany near the remote mountainous crash site.

All 150 people on board, including three Britons, died when the Germanwings flight 4U 9525 from Barcelona to Dusseldorf smashed into the mountains after an eight-minute descent.

The Airbus A320 sent no distress signal and the crew failed to respond to ground control's desperate attempts to make contact.

The cockpit recording showed the pilots speaking normally in German at the start of the flight, the source said, adding that it could not be determined if it was the captain or the first officer who left the cockpit.

In a statement overnight, Germanwings said that 'at the moment, we do not have information from competent authorities to confirm this story.'

'We are doing everything to get the most information possible and we are not engaging in speculation.'

Authorities have said they have no explanation as yet for the tragedy, but said that the plane was still flying when it crashed into the mountain and did not explode mid-air.

On Wednesday, the head of France's BEA crash investigation agency head Remi Jouty told reporters he still had 'not the slightest explanation' for the tragedy at this stage.

'It is inexplicable,' Lufthansa chief executive Carsten Spohr said in Frankfurt.

'The plane was in perfect condition and the two pilots were experienced.'

Investigators are still hunting for the second black box, which would reveal technical flight data.

President Francois Hollande said on Wednesday the casing of this box had been found but not the device itself.

France's interior minister has said the probe is not focusing on a possible terror attack.

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Lots of vids and pix at DailyMail. This article contains useful info on cockpit access and security that helps explain a pilot getting locked out and that this has happened on other suicide airline flights. (16 images)

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#1. To: TooConservative (#0)

I would say I am shocked, but how can anyone be? The religion of peace found a weakness. After the "high-jackings" of 9/11 cockpit doors were hardened, so they found a way to murder once again by recruiting a pilot. Does this bring to mind an Egypt-Air flight where the co-pilot was "sad" and crashed the plane? That was not linked to terrorism at the time. I think it was way back in Clitnons time.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2001/11/the-crash-of-egyptair-990/302332/

Another "suicide"????? http://www.ibtimes.com/pilot-suicide-when-its-captain-who-crashes-plane-1519756

This is what you get when you won't even NAME the enema....I mean the enema won't name the enemy.

jeremiad  posted on  2015-03-26   9:39:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: jeremiad (#1) (Edited)

they found a way to murder once again by recruiting a pilot

Where has it been established that Andreas Lubitz was a Muslim?

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-03-26   9:51:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Vicomte13 (#2)

That story hasn't been written yet. It is fairly same to assume. Like a story that people were shot leaving a concert, it is safe to say it was Rap music that was offered.

jeremiad  posted on  2015-03-26   10:25:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: TooConservative (#0) (Edited)

Curiously, the investigating authorities have initially reported on Yahoo News that they found this co-pilot's religion to be irrelevant:

And when pressed over Mr Lubitz's religion, he [Marseille prosecutor Brice Robin] said: "I don't think this is where this lies. I don't think we will get any answers there." Mr Robin said Mr Lubitz had never been flagged as a terrorist.

http://news.yahoo.com/know-german-crash-co-pilot-123354629.html Odd statement.

WHICH religion is infamous for crashing planes purposely and mass murder??

OR, maybe the co-pilot was an atheist.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-26   11:38:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Vicomte13, jeremiad (#2)

Where has it been established that Andreas Lubitz was a Muslim?

In the hidden docs?

The odds: HIGH

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-26   11:41:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: jeremiad (#1)

This is what you get when you won't even NAME the enema....I mean the enema won't name the enemy.

Yup.

The reticence and evasion of revealing the basic profile of a perp, religious affiliation or race usually means the authitahs fear what everyone suspects. STEREOTYPES that ring TRUE.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-26   11:44:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: TooConservative (#0)

France's interior minister has said the probe is not focusing on a possible terror attack.

Memo to French interior minister:

"How much have the Saudis paid you?"

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-26   11:48:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Liberator (#4)

Curiously, the investigating authorities have initially reported on Yahoo News that they found this co-pilot's religion to be irrelevant:

It is an odd way to say it.

What, saying he was a Lutheran or Catholic (or atheist/agnostic) would be so controversial?

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-26   11:54:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: TooConservative (#8) (Edited)

Saying he was a Lutheran or Catholic (or atheist/agnostic) would be so controversial?

That the religious affiliation was quickly dismissed as irrelevant to the investigation raised a red flag to me. And NOT because this perp might be a Lutheran/Catholic.

If the perp was revealed to be an Atheist, it would be controversial in the minds of many. Or do you disagree?

My money is one the perp co-pilot being a Muzzie, but my place money is on the guy being a depressed Atheist or secular humanist.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-26   12:00:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Liberator (#9)

" My money is one the perp co-pilot being a Muzzie "

I suspect that will turn out to be a safe bet.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-03-26   12:11:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: TooConservative (#8)

What, saying he was a Lutheran or Catholic (or atheist/agnostic) would be so controversial?

Maybe he/she was sexually disoriented and confused.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-03-26   12:17:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: jeremiad (#3)

That story hasn't been written yet. It is fairly same to assume.

Maybe. But I remember being sure that Oklahoma City and those theater shootings were Muslim, but they weren't, so I am properly cautious.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-03-26   12:32:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Liberator (#5)

In the hidden docs?

Perhaps. But Breivik in Norway wasn't a Muslim.

If Lubitz turns out to be a Muslim, the Front National probably just picked up 5% support.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-03-26   12:34:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: TooConservative (#0)

Germanwings co-pilot DELIBERATELY crashed Flight 4U9525 into mountain to 'destroy the plane'

Another lunatic on the loose making a big score!

rlk  posted on  2015-03-26   13:02:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Liberator (#5)

In the hidden docs?

The odds: HIGH

Maybe he's being used as the "cover story" for what "might" have really happened.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2009/0617/p02s04-usgn.html

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-03-26   13:34:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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