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New Discovery! 2023 Hottest in over 120 Million Years 2024 and beyond in prophecy Questions Status: Not Logged In; Sign In International News See other International News Articles Title: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France (Terrorism?) Source: nytimes.com/ URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/w ... 6E65&gwt=pay&assetType=nyt_now Published: Mar 25, 2015 Author: NICOLA CLARK and DAN BILEFSKY Post Date: 2015-03-25 19:53:14 by Pericles Keywords: None Views: 12318 Comments: 57 Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before France Crash By NICOLA CLARK and DAN BILEFSKY 21 minutes ago As officials struggled to explain why a jet with 150 people on board crashed, an investigator said evidence indicated that one pilot left the cockpit before the plane’s descent and was unable to get back in. Click for Full Text! Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 31. #1. To: Pericles (#0) mobile.nytimes.com Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France PARIS — As officials struggled Wednesday to explain why a jet with 150 people on board crashed in relatively clear skies, an investigator said evidence from a cockpit voice recorder indicated one pilot left the cockpit before the plane’s descent and was unable to get back in. A senior military official involved in the investigation described “very smooth, very cool” conversation between the pilots during the early part of the flight from Barcelona to Düsseldorf. Then the audio indicated that one of the pilots left the cockpit and could not re-enter. “The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer,” the investigator said. “And then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer.” He said, “You can hear he is trying to smash the door down.” While the audio seemed to give some insight into the circumstances leading up to the Germanwings crash, it also left many questions unanswered. "We don’t know yet the reason why one of the guys went out,” said the official, who requested anonymity because the investigation is continuing. "But what is sure is that at the very end of the flight, the other pilot is alone and does not open the door." The data from the voice recorder seems only to deepen the mystery surrounding the crash and provides no indication of the condition or activity of the pilot who remained in the cockpit. The descent from 38,000 feet over about 10 minutes was alarming but still gradual enough to indicate that the twin-engine Airbus A320 had not been damaged catastrophically . At no point during the descent was there any communication from the cockpit to air traffic controllers or any other signal of an emergency. When the plane plowed into craggy mountains northeast of Nice, it was traveling with enough speed that it was all but pulverized, killing the 144 passengers and crew of six and leaving behind almost no apparent clues about what caused the crash. The French aviation authorities have made public very little, officially, about the nature of the information that has been recovered from the audio recording, and it was not clear whether it was partial or complete. France’s Bureau of Investigations and Analyses confirmed only that human voices and other cockpit sounds had been detected and would be subjected to detailed analysis. Asked about the new evidence revealed in the cockpit recordings, Martine del Bono, a bureau spokeswoman, declined to comment. "Our teams continue to work on analyzing the CVR,” she said, referring to the cockpit voice recorder. "As soon as we have accurate information we intend to hold a press conference.” Meanwhile, prosecutors in Marseille, who have been charged with a separate criminal inquiry into the crash, could not immediately be reached for comment. Brice Robin, the Marseille prosecutor, was due to meet Thursday morning with the families of the crash victims. Video | Investigator: Audio Retrieved From Plane Rémi Jouty, director of France’s Bureau of Investigation and Analysis, confirmed that audio of voices had been recovered from the black box in the crash of the Germanwings plane in the French Alps. At the crash site, a senior official working on the investigation said, workers found the casing of the plane’s other black box, the flight data recorder, but the memory card containing data on the plane’s altitude, speed, location and condition was not inside, apparently having been thrown loose or destroyed by the impact. The flight’s trajectory ahead of the crash also left many unanswered questions. Rémi Jouty, the director of the French Bureau of Investigations and Analysis, said at a news conference that the plane took off at around 10 a.m. local time from Barcelona and that the last message sent from the pilot to air traffic controllers had been at 10:30 a.m., which indicated that the plane was proceeding on course. But minutes later, the plane inexplicably began to descend, Mr. Jouty said. At 10:40 and 47 seconds, the plane reported its last radar position, at an altitude of 6,175 feet. “The radar could follow the plane until the point of impact,” he said. Mr. Jouty said the plane slammed into a mountainside and disintegrated, scattering debris over a wide area, and making it difficult to analyze what had happened. It often takes months or even years to determine the causes of plane crashes, but a little more than a year after the disappearance of a Malaysian airlines jetliner that has never been found, the loss of the Germanwings flight is shaping up to be particularly perplexing to investigators. One of the main questions outstanding is why the pilots did not communicate with air traffic controllers as the plane began its unusual descent, suggesting that either the pilots or the plane’s automated systems may have been trying to maintain control of the aircraft as it lost altitude. Among the theories that have been put forward by air safety analysts not involved in the investigation is the possibility that the pilots could have been incapacitated by a sudden event such as a fire or a drop in cabin pressure. A senior French official involved in the investigation, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said that the lack of communication from the pilots during the plane’s descent was disturbing, and that the possibility that their silence was deliberate could not be ruled out. “I don’t like it,” said the French official, who cautioned that his initial analysis was based on the very limited information currently available. “To me, it seems very weird: this very long descent at normal speed without any communications, though the weather was absolutely clear.” This official said that the lack of communication suggested that the pilots might have been incapacitated as a result of an onboard failure such as a loss of cabin pressure, which could have deprived the crew members of oxygen. While all pilots are equipped with emergency oxygen masks, the pilots would first have to be aware that a depressurization had occurred, the official said. “If for any reason they don’t detect the problem in time, they would black out,” the official said. “So far, we don’t have any evidence that points clearly to a technical explanation,” the official said. “So we have to consider the possibility of deliberate human responsibility.” Mr. Jouty said it was far too early in the investigation to speculate about possible causes. “At this moment I have no beginning of a scenario,” Mr. Jouty said. However, he said there was not yet any evidence available that would support either a theory of a depressurization or of a midair explosion Speaking on the French radio station RTL, Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said on Wednesday morning that terrorism was not a likely “hypothesis at the moment,” but that no theories had been definitively excluded. Mr. Cazeneuve said the size of the area over which debris was scattered suggested that the aircraft had not exploded in the air but rather had disintegrated on impact. Lufthansa, the parent company of Germanwings, has characterized the crash as an accident. The airline has not disclosed the identities of the pilots, except to say that the captain was a 10-year veteran with more than 6,000 hours of flying time in A320s. The French Bureau of Investigations and Analysis, which is leading the technical inquiry into the crash, sent seven investigators to the crash site on Tuesday. They have been joined by their counterparts from Germany, as well as by technical advisers from Airbus and CFM International, the manufacturer of the plane’s engines. Speaking on Europe 1 radio, Jean-Paul Troadec, a former director of the French air accident investigation bureau, said one of the big challenges for investigators would be to protect the debris at the crash site from any inadvertent damage. “We need to ensure that all the evidence is well preserved,” Mr. Troadec said, referring both to the pieces of the plane littered across the steep slopes as well as to the remains of the victims. The identification of the victims will most likely require matching DNA from the remains with samples from relatives. The recovery effort will be a laborious task, given the state of the wreckage, the difficult terrain and the fact that the crash site is so remote that it could be reached only by helicopter. Cabin depressurization, one of the possibilities speculated about on Wednesday, has occurred before, perhaps most notably in the crash of a Cypriot passenger plane in 2005 that killed all 121 people on board as it approached Athens. In that case, Helios Airways Flight 522, a slow loss of pressure rendered both pilots and all the passengers on the Boeing 737 jet unconscious for more than three-quarters of an hour before the aircraft ran out of fuel and slammed into a wooded gorge near the Greek capital. Investigators eventually determined that the primary cause of that crash was a series of human errors, including deficient maintenance checks on the ground and a failure by the pilots to heed emergency warning signals. Notice anything wrong? Send Silk feedback tpaine  posted on  2015-03-25   20:06:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: tpaine (#1) Maybe one pilot went to the head and the other one locked the door and had a heart attack or major aneurysm. Ker-splatt. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-25   22:03:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: TooConservative (#3) " the other one locked the door and had a heart attack or " Had his headphones on, grooving to the muslim call to prayer Stoner  posted on  2015-03-25   23:16:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: Stoner, TooConservative (#5) Looks like it was a depressed/suicidal German co-pilot - no evidence he was a Muslim convert. I am shocked it was a 2 man cockpit and that Europe did not have the occupancy rule. Pericles  posted on  2015-03-26   12:55:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: Pericles (#7) (Edited) Looks like it was a depressed/suicidal German co-pilot - no evidence he was a Muslim convert. Maybe he was BOTH. "No evidence"?? That wasn't the case yesterday. What's changed?? (I mean besides the usual and expected denials after the initial facts and revelations were leaked?) This German Muzzie convert and frequent Mosque visitor met ALL the clinical personal profiles and guidelines of a mass murderer, and was...A MUZZIE. I don't care how many media/"official" revisions of the initial reports are now buried, denied, or attributed as "false." Liberator  posted on  2015-03-27   11:01:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #28. To: Liberator (#23) "No evidence"?? That wasn't the case yesterday. What's changed?? (I mean besides the usual and expected denials after the initial facts and revelations were leaked?) He had six months off for depression during his State-side training in 2009. His fiancee recently broke up with him. And apparently they found a certificate on his medical condition torn up in his apartment, supposedly taking effect on the day he crashed the plane. The details aren't all in just yet. I haven't seen an iota of Islam around this guy's history. Just some rumors by some of the biggest rumormongers on the internet. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-27   11:11:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #29. To: TooConservative (#28) He had six months off for depression during his State-side training in 2009. His fiancee recently broke up with him. And?? As though depression is rare? As are fiancee break-ups? (was his with a man or woman?) And apparently they found a certificate on his medical condition torn up in his apartment, supposedly taking effect on the day he crashed the plane. The details aren't all in just yet. Very convenient. As a proud LF/LP/FR conspiracist, I'm going to discount and dismiss such "details" as misdirection and disinformation. I haven't seen an iota of Islam around this guy's history. Just some rumors by some of the biggest rumormongers on the internet. With all due respect, this act perpetrated by this guy is a signature of Islamic terrorism and radicalism. In other words, "If it quacks like a duck...." This guy's "history" is already being scrubbed (Facebook: POOF!! GONE!) and massaged by the authoritahs. In its place, a new, improved, exclusive profile and history solely of "dark depression" and a "troubled life." Liberator  posted on  2015-03-27   11:44:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #31. To: Liberator (#29) Very convenient. As a proud LF/LP/FR conspiracist, I'm going to discount and dismiss such "details" as misdirection and disinformation. What we know of him so far is coming from French prosecutors in public statements and German criminal investigators speaking off the record. Europe handles these crashes differently. There is a presumption of criminality in accidents. And if the airline is found to be derelict in removing him from service, their executives could face prison for it. This guy's "history" is already being scrubbed (Facebook: POOF!! GONE!) and massaged by the authoritahs. In its place, a new, improved, exclusive profile and history solely of "dark depression" and a "troubled life." Not wanting to ruin your fun but can you marshal even a scrap of actual evidence that he was a Muslim at all? Other than a few rumors on discredited blogs? Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-27   11:49:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 31. #33. To: TooConservative (#31) Not wanting to ruin your fun but can you marshal even a scrap of actual evidence that he was a Muslim at all? Other than a few rumors on discredited blogs? You mean leaks and info from secondhand sources don't count because MSNBC/CNN/FOX didn't confirm? You know what I also find fascinating? Just how many conservative blogs and online sources are "discredited"....when the subject matter is Barry 0bola. And just how much collusion and corruption there is within the mainstream media outlets and gubmints. Look -- the French or German authoritahs are NEVER going to reveal the true nature of this case -- that the perp was a Muslim. Now I know and understand you need an "official report" that supports that claim. Politically, it would set off an unprecedented sh*tstorm of violence. THAT is the bottom line. Liberator  posted on  2015-03-27 11:57:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #34. To: TooConservative, all (#31) Another link to ponder (before IT gets removed): http://stthomasaquinasversusnasa.blogspot.com/2015/03/muslim-convert-co-pilot-andreas-gunter.html Make what you will of it. It was said that Lubitz had a Muslim girlfriend. It is unclear if she was still dating Lubitz at the time of the crash. It is unclear if he met the woman through his Muslims friends. One said that Lubitz had broken off the relationship after he pledged to commit Jihad for Allah. We do know that Lubitz trained at the Lufthansa Flight Training School in Bremen, Germany. Bremen is home to the Mosque Masjidu-l-Furqan Mosque: This Mosque was raided by the police in December 2014 BERLIN, Dec 5 (KUNA) — German authorities have closed a mosque in the northern city of Bremen, after it was accused of encouraging youth to join the extremist Islamic State group (known as ISIL), which is carrying out violent killings across Syria and Iraq. In unprecedented circumstances, more than 100 German police personnel carried out a search of Masjidu-l-Furqan and its accompanying cultural office, which had both been under police radar since 2007. The decision comes amid the fight against ISIL ideology, Bremen Interior Secretary Ulrich Maurer said, accusing the mosque’s management of promoting ISIL values and encouraging young Muslims in the city to travel to Syria and Iraq, and join the ranks of the group, along with Al-Nusra Front – another extremist group in Syria. The centre have so far succeeded in inspiring a total eight men, seven women and 11 juveniles to travel to Syria and join ISIL, according to the official. Lubitz did his time in Bremen when the Mosque was under surveillance. During his training Lubitz took a break - a several month break: Carsten Spohr, CEO of Germanwings parent company, said in a press conference today that Lubitz "took a break in his training six years ago. Then he did the tests (technical and psychological) again. And he was deemed 100 percent fit to fly." "I am not able to state the reasons why he took the break for several months [Was it because Lubitz converted to Islam during his break?] Reason that pushed Lubitz over the edge? The raid on the Mosque in Breman this past December? The Police say they found a significant discovery in his home - not a suicide note: Police investigating the Germanwings crash said they had made a 'significant discovery' at the home of co-pilot Andreas Lubitz, who deliberately ploughed the Airbus A320 into the French Alps. Officers refused to reveal details of the potential breakthrough but said it was not a suicide note. Speaking outside the flat on the outskirts of Dusseldorf, police said they had 'found something' that would now be taken for tests, adding it may be a 'clue' as to what happened to the doomed jet. Is the significant discovery something Islamic? Something on his computer? A Koran? Muslim prayer rug? Liberator  posted on  2015-03-27 12:11:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 31. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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