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Title: White House Antagonism Toward Netanyahu Grows
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URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/21/w ... ward-netanyahu-grows.html?_r=1
Published: Mar 21, 2015
Author: JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS
Post Date: 2015-03-21 04:50:42 by out damned spot
Keywords: Obama, Netanyahu, antagonism
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WASHINGTON — The White House is stepping up its antagonism toward Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu despite his victory in this week’s elections, signaling that it is in no rush to repair a historic rift between the United States and Israel. The sharpened tone indicates that the Obama administration may be re-evaluating its relationship with its closest ally in the Middle East, having lost patience with Mr. Netanyahu in the closing days of an election campaign in which he spotlighted deep disagreements with President Obama over a Palestinian state and a nuclear deal with Iran. “You reach a tipping point,” said Daniel C. Kurtzer, a former American ambassador to Israel and Egypt. “It’s the culmination of six and a half years of frustration, including some direct hits at the president’s prestige and the office of the presidency.” The aggressiveness underlines a calculation by Mr. Obama that an international accord with Iran to rein in its nuclear program is within reach despite Mr. Netanyahu’s adamant opposition, and that there is little value in being more conciliatory toward him. And, domestically, the administration is risking the alienation of a core Democratic constituency of Jewish voters, in part banking on the fact that many of them also are upset with Mr. Netanyahu. “In a way, the administration has already won,” said Aaron David Miller, a former Middle East adviser to Democratic and Republican administrations. “If you get agreement by the end of March, it will be historic in nature, it will have demonstrated that the administration is prepared to willfully stand up to Republican opposition in Congress and to deal with members of its own party who have doubts, and has withstood Israeli pressure.” In a congratulatory call to Mr. Netanyahu on Thursday that Mr. Obama waited two days to place, the president chided the prime minister for his pre-election declaration that no Palestinian state would be established on his watch. Although Mr. Netanyahu has since tried to backtrack on those comments, Mr. Obama said that they had nonetheless forced his administration to reassess certain aspects of its policy toward Israel, according to a White House official who offered details of the call only on the condition of anonymity. For the second consecutive day on Friday, the White House publicly questioned Mr. Netanyahu’s sincerity about the Israeli-Palestinian peace process, suggesting that Mr. Obama did not trust him to back Palestinian statehood, a central element of United States policy in the Middle East. Asked why the president did not take the prime minister at his word about his support for a two-state solution, Josh Earnest, the White House press secretary, quickly shot back: “Well, I guess the question is, which one?” “The divergent comments of the prime minister legitimately call into question his commitment to this policy principle and his lack of commitment to what has been the foundation of our policy-making in the region,” Mr. Earnest said. Continue reading the main story He said Mr. Netanyahu had raised questions about his “true view” on a two-state solution. “Words matter,” Mr. Earnest said. On the call between the two leaders, the president also discussed the prime minister’s Election Day comments about Israeli Arabs’ going to the polls in “droves,” which were interpreted widely as an attempt to suppress the Arab vote and prompted outrage in Mr. Obama’s administration and around the world. The tense conversation came on the same day the White House announced that Denis R. McDonough, Mr. Obama’s chief of staff, would deliver the keynote address on Monday to the annual conference of J Street, a pro-Israel group aligned with Democrats that has been fiercely critical of Mr. Netanyahu. The moves confirmed that instead of acting quickly to smooth over tensions with Mr. Netanyahu that burst to the fore in the weeks running up to the Israeli elections, the White House is stoking the acrimony. What is less clear is whether the approach will lead to a lasting policy shift or was merely a public round of venting. “You have a dysfunctional and unproductive relationship which is being played out publicly, and you’re now at the point where there are two options, meltdown or dial-down,” Mr. Miller said. So far, the White House has stopped short of concrete action to challenge Mr. Netanyahu, such as calling on him to remove his ambassador to the United States, Ron Dermer. An American-born former Republican operative, Mr. Dermer angered the administration when he helped congressional Republicans arrange, without the White House’s knowledge, the prime minister’s speech to Congress this month denouncing Mr. Obama’s efforts to strike a nuclear deal with Iran. Mr. Earnest said on Friday that it was up to Mr. Netanyahu to decide who should represent Israel in the United States, and that the White House would maintain an “open line of communication” as it reassessed its policy. Mark Regev, Mr. Netanyahu’s spokesman, said on Friday that the prime minister “couldn’t be prouder” of Mr. Dermer, in whom he had “full confidence.” Jeremy Ben-Ami, J Street’s executive director, said the Obama administration’s refusal to allow Mr. Netanyahu to backtrack on his comments against a Palestinian state was appropriate, saying such statements should have consequences. “In his actions, he’s not actually doing anything to repair the wound or to heal the wound that was opened by his and the ambassador’s actions,” Mr. Ben- Ami said of Mr. Netanyahu and Mr. Dermer. At the same time, Mr. Ben-Ami added, the rift between Mr. Obama and Mr. Netanyahu “is built on policy and substantive disagreement, and there’s no erasing that.” Administration officials have suggested that they may now agree to passage of a United Nations Security Council resolution embodying the principles of a two- state solution based on Israel’s 1967 borders and mutually agreed exchanges of territory, a step that would be anathema to Mr. Netanyahu. Continue reading the main storyContinue reading the main storyContinue reading the main story But Mr. Obama assured Mr. Netanyahu in the phone call on Thursday that the United States placed a high priority on its security cooperation with Israel, which receives more than $3 billion a year in American military aid. On Friday, Mr. Earnest said the reassessment of policy that Mr. Obama envisions would not threaten that cooperation. The schism has exacerbated tension between the White House and the most powerful American pro-Israel group, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, with which sitting presidents have traditionally been in lock step. Aipac, which like Mr. Netanyahu is vehemently opposed to the emerging nuclear agreement with Iran, on Friday said the onus was on the White House to repair the breach. “Unfortunately, administration spokespersons rebuffed the prime minister’s efforts to improve the understandings between Israel and the U.S.,” the group said in a statement. “In contrast to their comments,” the statement continued, “we urge the administration to further strengthen ties with America’s most reliable and only truly democratic ally in the Middle East. A solid and unwavering relationship between the U.S. and Israel is in the national security interests of both countries and reflects the values that we both cherish.”
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#1. To: out damned spot (#0)
And will only get worse. The underlying reason is simple. The PUNK in the White Hut is a communist, Muslim nig. And his main handler, Jarret, is from Iran. Why else would he be so adamant to let Iran have nuclear weapons? And why else would he show so much disdain for Israel? I cannot wait for him to be gone, and pray that God will remove him soon! I have come to loath anyone that voted for him!
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Agree wholeheartedly. The outrage I feel towards this Traitor in Chief is palpable. Just when you think he can't surprise you anymore, he comes up with something even more evil and unconstitutional. Obama is truly diabolical. "Obama’s move to browbeat Israel at the United Nations is part of a pattern: not just a pattern of dramatically anti-Israel activity, but a pattern of cutting America’s legislative body out of the loop in favor of monarchic action in collaboration with the World Community™. And that should scare everyone, not just advocates for the safety and security of the Jewish State." That quote is from an article posted by cranky entitled: OBAMA ROLLS OUT PLAN TO USE UN TO CIRCUMVENT CONGRESS ON ISRAEL, IRAN He needed defeating in the last election. I cannot forgive those who stayed home. Sorry, but I can't. I hope someone is keeping a list of his atrocities since his second term in office. It belongs on their heads.
Stool sample politics: You have to pass it to find out whats in it.
The only thing "reliable" about that relationship is the $3 billion we send over there every year. Militarily, they're useless to us. They wave as our tanks go by to fight their enemies for them. And when we ask them to stop building homes on lands which are not theirs, they spit in our face. 60 years of the same thing. Nothing changes. Still no peace. Try something new and different? Are you crazy?
The underlying reason is simple. The PUNK in the White Hut is a communist, Muslim nig. And his main handler, Jarret, is from Iran. Why else would he be so adamant to let Iran have nuclear weapons? And why else would he show so much disdain for Israel? Amen....(as well as disdain for the entire West, Christians, whitey, and America.) The hood ornament Pied Piper of this revolution is...our own satanic American President. But let it be noted that he has PLENTY of help.
WTH are YOU or our gubmint to make ANY demands on Israel? Are you proposing we make those same policy demands to Egypt with their $3b? So...you're supporting 0buma here, eh? Et tu, Spitter?? Israel has been invaded in 1948, 1956, 1967, and 1973 -- without provocation. THAT is the actual 60 YEAR "thing." Have you amnesia?? The spoils of those (victorious) wars are a bit of extra land as a buffer between them and the insanity.... Should the US return its land to the various tribes Indians? Our military bases to their original and rightful owners? Militarily, they're useless to us. Really?? So you see no tactical, pragmatic partnership or deterrence, in this case then? Then WHY has the US been at war in the ME in the first place, General White-Bush? Try something new and different? Are you crazy? Like what, Neville?
I understand. I agree he needed defeating in the last election, and in his first election. You probably cannot forgive me either. I did not stay home, I never do. I voted 3rd party. I have great anger at the GOP establishment for forcing incompetent idiots on us ( ie McStain, Romnney, McConnell, Boner, etc, etc ). And also for not properly vetting " the one". And I also have a great deal of disdain for the "party bots " that will support whoever the establishment rams down our throats. This bunch will not / can not think for themselves. They will never be free. Sadly, too, too many are willing to settle for " the lessor of two evils ", and therefore, they will always have evil. The GOP will not be reformed! EVER ! Either everyone will abandon the GOP and go to a 3rd party, or the nation will go down the drain, and we will have more Obama's, because the nation as a whole has been dumbed down ( " make history & vote for the black guy", "he's cool", and other idiotic statements ) and bleeding hearts & corporate interests are letting the nation be balkanized with third world parasites, and the GOP that is supposed to be helping, are stabbing us in the back. Personally, I will no longer support the Trojan Horse GOP, unless a miracle occurs and they allow a true conservative to get nominated. Not gonna happen! Pray hard & often for Christ's quick return. The Soap Box is worn out, and the Ballot Box is useless!
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Personally, I will no longer support the Trojan Horse GOP, unless a miracle occurs and they allow a true conservative to get nominated. Not gonna happen! Pray hard & often for Christ's quick return. The Soap Box is worn out, and the Ballot Box is useless! Excellent! What you wrote can be summarized as: "If voting really mattered, it would be declared illegal"
The aid package to Egypt -- amounting to 50% of whatever we give Israel -- does not exist for Egypt’s benefit, but for Israel’s. It’s the bribe that keeps Egypt faithful to its peace treaty with Israel. "The spoils of those (victorious) wars are a bit of extra land as a buffer between them and the insanity" Israel is a signatory nation to the 4th Geneva Convention and, as such, has promised not to occupy and seize any land as a result of war. "So you see no tactical, pragmatic partnership or deterrence, in this case then?" Israel is a deterrent? Iran wants a nulear bomb because Israel has at least 200 of them. A nuclear Israel is destabilzing the Middle East. "Like what, Neville?" The 2000 Arab Peace Initiative. Supported by every nation on Earth except Israel.
Yeah. Precisely because in the past Egypt was a threat to the region, given its history. TO THE POINT: Should the USA dictate to Egypt *their* expenditure of the $1.5b gift from the USA as you'd suggested of Israel? It’s the bribe that keeps Egypt faithful to its peace treaty with Israel. Apparently it's been a worthy investment. Unless you prefer "boots on the ground" and military bases in the ME preventing the proliferation of Muslim hijinks (OH WAIT...) Israel is a signatory nation to the 4th Geneva Convention and, as such, has promised not to occupy and seize any land as a result of war. While the surrounding Islamic nations have repeatedly violated Israel's sovereignty, as per UN resolution 181. Suddenly you're a huge fan of the UN, it's un-enforced resolutions and BS mission statement? Israel is a deterrent? Iran wants a nulear bomb because Israel has at least 200 of them. 200 nukes, yet no one has been detonated. Have they promised to destroy their neighbors AS. HAS. IRAN?? Tick...tick...tick... The 2000 Arab Peace Initiative. Supported by every nation on Earth except Israel. And here I thought you opposed the partaking in illegal drugs. Far out, dude.
As diabolical as a pawn on the "Grand Chessboard" can be, anyhow.
They're just playing the tune called out by religious retards on both sides of the Dialectic sheeple herding aisle. Are you not enjoying the Apokeelyptic melody?
And what of the billions we send to the Arab/Muslim dictators? Israel's Mossad intelligence has more than paid for the 3 billion we send them. What have the Palestinians and others given us in return? They get far more money from us and they use it to declare death to America and Israel. Per the Balfor Agreement, the land was divided into two states: a tiny slice for Israel and the Jews, a larger piece of the pie to the Arabs/Palestinians/Muslims. Their homeland is JORDAN. Even Jordan could not put up with these people and threw them out! None of the other nations wants them for the same reasons. So the solution is to give them part of Israel? I don't think so. They repeatedly call for the death of Israel. No small piece of Israeli land will change that.
Stool sample politics: You have to pass it to find out whats in it.
Bear in mind that Obama tried to overthrow the Egyptian government and is now denying aid the Egyptians are begging for. Barry supported the terrorists. I'm proud of the Egyptians who have taken back their country! Having said that you wanted a new way of thinking on Palestinian statehood, check this out: BEN CARSON: CREATE PALESTINIAN STATE IN EGYPT, GET ISRAEL OUT OF HAMAS’S ROCKET FIRE RANGE libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=38596 Ben is out of his element on foreign policy and I find his proposal ludicrous, btw.
Stool sample politics: You have to pass it to find out whats in it.
How about, "Create an Israeli state in South America"? Whose idea was it to locate the Jewish state smack dab in the middle of 3 billion Arabs calling for their destruction? From your link: “I don’t have any problem with the Palestinians having a state, but does it need to be within the confines of Israeli territory?" Within the confines of Israeli territory? Ummmm. Ben? That territory doesn't belong to Israel and never has. That territory was part of the British Mandate for Great Britain to do with as IT pleased. They chose to split it up -- part of the territory to create the state of Jordan, part of it to create the state of Palestine, and part of it to create the state of Israel. Jordan got their state. Israel got their state. Then Israel stole the land for the future Palestinian state (as designated by UN 181).
You think. Not that you can possiblly know. As though we're not getting even better intelligence from Arab states, like Saudi Arabia. "Their homeland is JORDAN" They abandonded their homes and lands and fled to Jordan ahead of the advancing Israeli army. What do think this "right of return" is all about? "So the solution is to give them part of Israel?" Nope. Only the land given to them by UN 181.
Telling that they refer to $3 billion in military aid as "cooperation". If someone gave you money and you thanked them for "cooperating" it would be quite an insult.
There is a great deal about Obama I do not like, not the least of which is the, at best, questionable issue of where he was born, but I am pleased that there is an finally an administration that is starting to stand up to Israel. Israel injects itself quite far into US foreign policy and US federal campaigning. The control Israel has over the US reaches the level of being obscene. The foreign aid, the wars, the constant cries of anti-semitism whenever they are called to be civil.... it's too much. Foreign aid should be cut off to all countries.
I bet freedom4um loves Obama now. I always knew Obama hated Jews.
Of course. He is a Muslim. So naturally he would.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/04/barack-obama-cl.html
" White House Antagonism Toward Netanyahu Grows "
#2. To: Stoner (#1)
(Edited)
#3. To: out damned spot (#0)
"to further strengthen ties with America’s most reliable and only truly democratic ally in the Middle East."
#4. To: Stoner (#1)
And will only get worse.
#5. To: misterwhite (#3)
(Edited)
And when we ask them to stop building homes on lands which are not theirs, they spit in our face. 60 years of the same thing. Nothing changes. Still no peace.
#6. To: out damned spot (#2)
" He needed defeating in the last election. I cannot forgive those who stayed home. Sorry, but I can't. "
#7. To: Stoner (#6)
The GOP will not be reformed! EVER ! Either everyone will abandon the GOP and go to a 3rd party, or the nation will go down the drain, and we will have more Obama's, because the nation as a whole has been dumbed down ( " make history & vote for the black guy", "he's cool", and other idiotic statements ) and bleeding hearts & corporate interests are letting the nation be balkanized with third world parasites, and the GOP that is supposed to be helping, are stabbing us in the back.
#8. To: Liberator (#5)
"Are you proposing we make those same policy demands to Egypt with their $3b?"
#9. To: misterwhite (#8)
(Edited)
The aid package to Egypt -- amounting to 50% of whatever we give Israel...
#10. To: out damned spot (#2)
Obama is truly diabolical.
#11. To: Liberator (#9)
Tick...tick...tick...
#12. To: misterwhite (#3)
Try something new and different?
#13. To: misterwhite (#8)
The aid package to Egypt -- amounting to 50% of whatever we give Israel -- does not exist for Egypt’s benefit, but for Israel’s. It’s the bribe that keeps Egypt faithful to its peace treaty with Israel.
#14. To: out damned spot (#13)
"BEN CARSON: CREATE PALESTINIAN STATE IN EGYPT, GET ISRAEL OUT OF HAMAS’S ROCKET FIRE RANGE"
#15. To: out damned spot (#12)
"Israel's Mossad intelligence has more than paid for the 3 billion we send them."
#16. To: out damned spot (#0)
that the United States placed a high priority on its security cooperation with Israel, which receives more than $3 billion a year in American military aid. On Friday, Mr. Earnest said the reassessment of policy that Mr. Obama envisions would not threaten that cooperation.
#17. To: out damned spot (#2)
#18. To: Pinguinite (#17)
but I am pleased that there is an finally an administration that is starting to stand up to Israel.
#19. To: A K A Stone (#18)
" I always knew Obama hated Jews. "
#20. To: A K A Stone (#18)
I always knew Obama hated Jews.
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