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Title: Iran Instructs U.S. to Bypass Congress on Deal, Go to U.N.
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://freebeacon.com/issues/iran-i ... ss-congress-on-deal-go-to-u-n/
Published: Mar 13, 2015
Author: Adam Kredo
Post Date: 2015-03-13 20:23:10 by out damned spot
Keywords: Iran, Congress, UN
Views: 1140
Comments: 12

The Iranian government is urging the United States to go straight to the United Nations to finalize any agreement reached in the coming weeks regarding Tehran’s contested nuclear program without seeking congressional approval.

Javad Zarif, Iran’s foreign minister and top negotiator, suggested in a recent interview that the U.N. Security Council should be responsible for approving any agreement reached between Western powers and Tehran over its nuclear program, a proposal that the Obama administration entertained on Thursday.

The State Department argues that a nonbinding agreement with Iran—one that would not be subject to congressional oversight or approval—could be more enforceable due to the removal of opposition by a majority of Republican lawmakers to a deal.

Iran’s backing of a U.N.-approved deal came just days before State Department officials expressed reserved openness to the idea and revealed that they are currently working on a plan with other Security Council members to ease sanctions on Tehran.

Zarif first raised the idea of subjecting a deal to U.N. approval in a recent interview with an Iranian magazine conducted in Persian.

Once the countries strike an agreement, it should be “approved and confirmed” by the Security Council under Chapter 7 of the U.N.’s charter, according to Zarif.

A “resolution under chapter 7 of the U.N. charter is an international and binding treaty for all the member states,” Zarif said, according to an independent translation of his remarks in the interview.

Under these terms, “any deal is binding for the current U.S. government and for the future U.S. governments,” Zarif said.

These comments are particularly noteworthy given the Obama administration’s insistence in recent days that it is pursuing a “nonbinding” deal, which means that Congress would be cut out of the approval process and that neither country would be legally responsible for upholding the arrangement.

Zarif went on to claim that he and the United States are working on a deal that would lift all U.N. Security Council resolutions against Iran’s nuclear program. When asked about sanctions related to Iran’s missile programs, Zarif claimed that these would be lifted as well under any final deal.

When asked about the prospect of going to the U.N. with any final nuclear deal, Jen Psaki, the State Department’s spokeswoman, said this that idea is being floated in talks with Iran.

“Obviously, we know that that’s their objective… and certainly part of the discussion,” Psaki said in response to questions at the department’s daily briefing on Thursday.

Psaki went on to hint that the he United States is seeking a nonbinding deal in order to keep Congress out of the debate in the near term.

“Obviously, if we’re at the point where there’s an agreement and there are sanctions that are rolled back, then that’s a role that they would play,” she said.”

She added: “But there is a long history, a long precedent for these type of international—government-to-government international agreements” that are inked without congressional say.”

A nonbinding framework would also give the Obama administration greater flexibility to re-impose sanctions on Iran should it violate the deal, Psaki claimed.

“The overriding reason to prefer a nonbinding international arrangement to a treaty is the need to preserve the greatest possible flexibility to re-impose sanctions if we believe Iran is not meeting its commitments under a joint comprehensive plan of action,” she said. “And we believe that the success of this arrangement will depend not on whether it’s legally binding or not, but rather on the extensive verification measures we are seeking to put in place, and Iran’s understanding that we have the capacity to re-impose and ramp up our sanctions if Iran does not meet its commitments.”

Reuters reported Thursday that the United States and other major powers are working on a Security Council resolution to lift economic sanctions on Iran.

“Iran and the administration both know that the deal they are forging is not acceptable to the U.S. Congress and probably to the next administration,” said Saeed Ghasseminejad, an Iranian dissident and associate fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD). “As a result, both Iran and the administration are trying to come up with creative ways to bypass the Congress and check mates the future presidents.”

“The latest creative solution Iran came up with is to seal the deal by a U.N. Security Council resolution,” he said. “This is another sign that the deal we are talking about is a bad deal for the West and a good deal for the Islamic regime in Iran.”

Republican senators have already begun expressing opposition to any U.N.- approved agreement.

“The United Nations has no authority whatsoever to bind the United States of America,” Sen. Ted Cruz (R., Texas) told the Daily Beast. “If President Obama attempts to end-run the Constitution by enlisting the United Nations to enforce an Iran deal that sets the stage for Iran to acquire nuclear weapons, it would be both profoundly dangerous to the national security of the United States and our allies, and also patently unconstitutional.”

Pro-Israel groups are also beginning to speak out against the plan as well.

“Of course the Iranians want to go to the U.N.,” said Omri Ceren, press director for the Israel Project (TIP). “They get to leverage every dictator and despot who sits there—and who wants to do business with a terror regime—against the United States Senate.”

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#1. To: All (#0)

This is interesting! The House has finally backed up the 47 members who dared to send a letter to Iran! 250 bi-partisan members and growing.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-warns-obama-on-iran- deal/article/2561488? utm_content=bufferbe3f7&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign= buffer

‘the Medieval Christian threat is under control’

out damned spot  posted on  2015-03-13   20:29:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All (#1)

Flame this poll:

47 Traitors or 47 Heroes?

http://gateway-tcr.com/gatewaydev/the-iran-letter-and-the-logan-act/

‘the Medieval Christian threat is under control’

out damned spot  posted on  2015-03-13   20:39:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: out damned spot (#2)

http://gateway-tcr.com/gatewaydev/the-iran-letter-and-the-logan-act/

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/953

The Logan Act of 1799 as incorporated into statute law.

18 U.S. Code § 953 - Private correspondence with foreign governments

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply, himself or his agent, to any foreign government or the agents thereof for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

Waldron v. British Petroleum Co., 231 F. Supp. 72 (S.D.N.Y 1964)

Waldron at 89

Another infirmity in defendants' claim that plaintiff violated the Logan Act is the existence of a doubtful question with regard to the constitutionality of that statute under the Sixth Amendment. That doubt is engendered by the statute's use of the vague and indefinite terms, "defeat" and "measures." See United States v. Shackney, 333 F.2d 475, (2d Cir. 1964); Note, The Void-For-Vagueness Doctrine in the Supreme Court, 109 U.Pa.L.Rev. 67 (1960); E. Freund, The Use of Indefinite Terms in Statutes, 30 Yale L.J. 437 (1921). Neither of these words is an abstraction of common certainty or possesses a definite statutory or judicial definition.

Since, however, there are other grounds for disposing of this motion, it is not necessary to decide the constitutional question.[30] Furthermore, any "ambiguity should be resolved in favor of lenity." Bell v. United States, 349 U.S. 81, 83, 75 S.Ct. 620, 622, 99 L.Ed. 905 (1955), quoted in United States v. Shackney, supra, 333 F.2d at 475.

Congressional Research Service (CRS)
CRS Report for Congress
Conducting Foreign Relations Without Authority:
The Logan Act

February 1, 2006

Michael V. Seitzinger
Legislative Attorney
American Law Division

At pp. 9-10

A search of statements issued by the State Department concerning the Logan Act from 1975 to the present has found two opinions in the DIGEST OF UNITED STATES PRACTICE IN INTERNATIONAL LAW, continued, beginning in 1980, with a column in the AMERICAN JOURNAL OF INTERNATIONAL LAW. In these instances the Department did not consider the activities in question to be inconsistent with the Logan Act. One opinion concerned the questioning of certain activities of Senators John Sparkman and George McGovern with respect to the government of Cuba. The Department stated:

The clear intent of this provision [Logan Act] is to prohibit unauthorized persons from intervening in disputes between the United States and foreign governments. Nothing in section 953, however, would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution. In the case of Senators McGovern and Sparkman the executive branch, although it did not in any way encourage the Senators to go to Cuba, was fully informed of the nature and purpose of their visit, and had validated their passports for travel to that country.

Senator McGovern’s report of his discussions with Cuban officials states: “I made it clear that I had no authority to negotiate on behalf of the United States — that I had come to listen and learn....” (Cuban Realities: May 1975, 94th Cong., 1st Sess., August 1975). Senator Sparkman’s contacts with Cuban officials were conducted on a similar basis. The specific issues raised by the Senators (e.g., the Southern Airways case; Luis Tiant’s desire to have his parents visit the United States) would, in any event, appear to fall within the second paragraph of Section 953.

Accordingly, the Department does not consider the activities of Senators Sparkman and McGovern to be inconsistent with the stipulations of Section 953.41

41 DIGEST OF UNITED STATES PRACTICE IN INTERNATIONAL LAW 1975, p. 750.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-03-13   22:03:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: nolu chan (#3)

Nothing in section 953, however, would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution. In the case of Senators McGovern and Sparkman the executive branch, although it did not in any way encourage the Senators to go to Cuba, was fully informed of the nature and purpose of their visit, and had validated their passports for travel to that country.

Kudos for good research, nc. The above won't matter with this cabal. It is Valerie Jarrett's gift to her native country at the expense of our sovereignty... the attempt to subjugate our Constitution to the mandates of the UN.

‘the Medieval Christian threat is under control’

out damned spot  posted on  2015-03-13   22:42:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: out damned spot (#4)

The above won't matter with this cabal.

Only to the point that there will be no prosecution. The law of 1799 was created by the same buttheads who gave us the Alien and Sedition Acts. The Federalists never won another presidential election and the party was dead and buried around 1820. Any prosecution could lead to the law being declared unconstitutional. As it is, they can use it to create scary supermarket tabloid headlines.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-03-13   23:04:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: out damned spot (#0)

Iran Instructs U.S. to Bypass Congress on Deal, Go to U.N.

To hell with the U. N.. We should withdraw recognition and boot it out of the country.

rlk  posted on  2015-03-13   23:24:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: rlk (#6)

To hell with the U. N.. We should withdraw recognition and boot it out of the country.

How? The USA created the organization; Franklin D. Roosevelt made this stuff "stick" to the American taxpayer and I agree with you; it is "schictk."

buckeroo  posted on  2015-03-13   23:31:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: nolu chan (#5)

...scary supermarket tabloid headlines...

Here's today's:

"William Shatner weighs 300 pounds: His doctor says:
'Go on a diet or die.'"

Captain Kirk is obese. Scary? You bet!

Chuck_Wagon  posted on  2015-03-13   23:39:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Chuck_Wagon (#8)

"William Shatner weighs 300 pounds: His doctor says:
'Go on a diet or die.'"

William Shatner is ready to turn 84 years old later this month. Now is the time for him to eat what ever the hell he wants.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-03-14   0:47:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: buckeroo, rlk (#7)

How?

The U.S. will not do it, but defund it, and remove diplomatic recognition of UN diplomats.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-03-14   0:50:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: nolu chan (#10)

he U.S. will not do it, but defund it, and remove diplomatic recognition of UN diplomats.

Amen. Prolly will never happen tho. We need to take more seats in '16. Perhaps we can get the Senate and House to do just that...eventually. We are making progress in taking back the House and Senate. One can only hope that we last as a nation until that stands a chance of becoming reality.

‘the Medieval Christian threat is under control’

out damned spot  posted on  2015-03-14   8:13:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: nolu chan (#10)

... and remove diplomatic recognition of UN diplomats.

NEVER.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-03-14   14:47:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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