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Title: Should Christians Be Hospitable to Cult Members?
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Grace to You
URL Source: http://www.gty.org/resources/bible- ... ble-to-cult-members?Term=cults
Published: Mar 11, 2015
Author: John MacArthur
Post Date: 2015-03-11 16:41:49 by redleghunter
Keywords: None
Views: 40416
Comments: 144
In verse 10 John sets out one practical application of how to defend the truth: If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house. Hospitality for traveling teachers was common in the culture (cf. Luke 9:1-6; 10:1-12). The prohibition here is not to turn away the ignorant; it does not mean that believers may not invite unbelievers—even those who belong to a cult or false religion—into their midst. That would make giving the truth to them difficult, if not impossible. The point is that believers are not to welcome and provide care for traveling false teachers, who seek to stay in their homes, thereby giving the appearance of affirming what they teach and lending them credibility John’s use of the conjunction ei (if) with an indicative verb indicates a condition that is likely true. Apparently, the lady to whom he wrote had for whatever reason, in the name of Christian fellowship, already welcomed false teachers into her home. It was just such compassionate, well-meaning people that the false teachers sought out (cf. 2 Tim. 3:6); since churches were supposed to be protected by elders who were skilled teachers of the Word (1 Tim. 3:2; Titus 1:9), they should have been less susceptible to the lies propagated by the deceivers. Having established themselves in homes, the false teachers hoped eventually to worm their way into the churches. It is much the same today, as false teaching insidiously invades Christian homes through television, radio, the Internet, and literature. So threatening are these emissaries of Satan that Jo[h]n went on to forbid even giving them a greeting; for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds. Irenaeus relates that the church father Polycarp, when asked by the notorious heretic Marcion, “Do you know me?” replied, “I do know you—the firstborn of Satan” (Against Heresies, 3.3.4). John himself once encountered Cerinthus (another notorious heretic) in a public bathhouse in Ephesus. Instead of greeting him, however, John turned and fled, exclaiming to those with him, “Let us fly, lest even the bath-house fall down, because Cerinthus, the enemy of the truth, is within” (Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 3.3.4).
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#2. To: redleghunter (#0)
The Amish and Mennonites never knock on my door.
What about Quakers or Hare Krishna? Who is a cult?
What is your religion? That would be a cult. Any religion that denies christ is a cult.
I'm Roman Catholic. So what is your religion?
Catholics pray to Mary. That is forbidden. They call the pope holy father. The Bible says not to do that. The Catholics took one of the commandments and threw it in trash. Then split another into two parts. There are Catholics that are saved. But it has a cult element to it.
So you're anti-Catholic... that doesn't surprise me at all.
I'm not anti catholic. They just don't follow the Bible literally. Which is a problem. My religion is the Bible. Like King James for example.
Following the Bible literally is itself problematic and misleading if passages are interpreted out of context. Song of Soloman 4:1~2 (KJV): Hair like a flock of goats?
Well yes in Scriptures there is the use of metaphorical language. Interpreting according to the grammatical, literal historical method is how the apostles approached interpreting Scriptures. When we do see metaphor used in Scriptures they are usually direct metaphors. That is "A" is like "B". For example Jesus saying He was the bread of life. We know Jesus did not mean He was a loaf of bread. The Living Water. We know Jesus is not literally a well full of water we physically drink. I am the door. Jesus is not a wooden door. These were direct metaphors used to teach a spiritual truth.
Similarly, when God created the Universe, we know that a "day" didn't mean 24 hours from one sunrise to the next sunrise... but rather hundreds of millions and billions of years as the galaxies and stars and planets gradually unfolded & Life slowly evolved here on Earth.
Willie, Vic has done some exhaustive studies on the above so I pinged him. After day 4, we can logically conclude all days were 24 hour days as the sun, moon and stars were created on day 4. However, even on the first day of creation there is "let there be light" and we see recorded "So the evening and the morning were the first day." We also see much later in Exodus the Israelites confirming a 6 day creation with a one day Sabbath. People like to add in billions of years to fit an unproven scientific theory. It usually makes them comfortable at cocktail parties with liberal atheists.
We can conclude they were solar revolutions, though perhaps not 24 hours. This is if we translate "or" as "light", and "Hhosekh" as "darkness", such that a "yom" - a "day" is a period of "light and darkness". However, "or" also means order. In fact, the word "order" comes from the Hebrew root "or", which is what God created first. Did he say "let there be 'light'"? No, he said "Yehyeh Or" - which can be just as accurately translated as "Order will be" as it is translated "Light will be". Breath and spirit are the same thing in Hebrew. So are Order and Light. The chaos is darkness, Hhoshekh, which God walls off with Order. So, is a "Yom" a period of Light and Darkness? Or is it a period of Order and Disorder? It is literally either one. The translator decides what he prefers. The language itself says both things simultaneously. Our ordered periods of light and dark are day and night, but even at night there is light, less of it. A literal read of Genesis can lead one to the traditional read, but it can also lead one to a very different comprehsion, of God imposing order, by his spirit, upon chaos, and bringing order up out of it. And that doesn't so much have to do with solar revolutions, even when solar revolutions are happening. What I am saying is that, actually, nobody gets a win on this. Literally it says both things, and the pictographs paint both things. The real truth is that God very probably uses light and darkness as visible symbols of what he is really doing, with order and chaos, energy and entropy, exactly as the poet uses fleece as symbols for white teeth, but even white teeth as a harbinger of the REAL essence of the poem, which is beauty and love. God is more intelligent than Einstein, and a better poet than Shakespeare. Usually he LITERALLY means two, or four, or fifteen separate things all at the same time, and all of them literally, which is why there were 12 Apostles and not just one Prophet.
Well that was quite poetic by itself:) Very good.
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So who are you calling a cult?
Mormons?
Scientologists?
Branch Davidians?
Jehovah Witnesses?
Amish or Mennonites?
#3. To: Willie Green (#2)
Amish or Mennonites?
#4. To: redleghunter (#3)
(Edited)
The Amish and Mennonites never knock on my door.
Christian Scientists, Salvation Army, Rosicrucians, Unitarians or Wiccans?
#11. To: Willie Green (#4)
(Edited)
Who is a cult?
#14. To: A K A Stone (#11)
(Edited)
What is your religion? That would be a cult. Any religion that denies christ is a cult.
We usually capitalize the "c" in Christ, to indicate that we recognize that He is the Lord our God & Savior.
If I'm not mistaken, that is common practice in protestant denominations also.
Is it a cult?
#16. To: Willie Green (#14)
#17. To: A K A Stone (#16)
But you didn't answer my question: what is your religion? Is it a cult?
#19. To: Willie Green (#17)
So you're anti-Catholic... that doesn't surprise me at all. But you didn't answer my question: what is your religion? Is it a cult?
#26. To: A K A Stone (#19)
They just don't follow the Bible literally. Which is a problem.
1 Behold, thou art fair, my love; behold, thou art fair; thou hast doves' eyes within thy locks: thy hair is as a flock of goats, that appear from mount Gilead.
2 Thy teeth are like a flock of sheep that are even shorn, which came up from the washing; whereof every one bear twins, and none is barren among them.
Teeth like a flock of sheep?
No, no, no, no, no.... we do not take every word of the Bible literally. It must be read in it's proper context to be understood. The nomadic tribes of the Middle East were very simple people 3 to 5 thousand years ago. The Lord revealed His Word to them in ways that THEY could understand, so we need to strive to understand the way that THEY would understand it, not the way that WE would take it literally.
#40. To: Willie Green, A K A Stone (#26)
#52. To: redleghunter (#40)
When we do see metaphor used in Scriptures they are usually direct metaphors. That is "A" is like "B". For example Jesus saying He was the bread of life. We know Jesus did not mean He was a loaf of bread. The Living Water. We know Jesus is not literally a well full of water we physically drink. I am the door. Jesus is not a wooden door. These were direct metaphors used to teach a spiritual truth.
#59. To: Willie Green, Vicomte13, A K A Stone, TooConservative (#52)
Similarly, when God created the Universe, we know that a "day" didn't mean 24 hours from one sunrise to the next sunrise... but rather hundreds of millions and billions of years as the galaxies and stars and planets gradually unfolded & Life slowly evolved here on Earth.
#113. To: redleghunter (#59)
After day 4, we can logically conclude all days were 24 hour days as the sun, moon and stars were created on day 4.
#122. To: Vicomte13 (#113)
God is more intelligent than Einstein, and a better poet than Shakespeare. Usually he LITERALLY means two, or four, or fifteen separate things all at the same time, and all of them literally, which is why there were 12 Apostles and not just one Prophet.
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