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Vladimir Putin tells Tucker Carlson US should stop arming Ukraine to end war Status: Not Logged In; Sign In International News See other International News Articles Title: Court Allows Jewish Prayer on Temple Mount Source: [None] URL Source: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/192060#.VPaAlmjF_3Q Published: Mar 3, 2015 Author: Gil Ronen Post Date: 2015-03-03 22:51:01 by A K A Stone Keywords: None Views: 3276 Comments: 29 Temple activists were euphoric Monday after a precedent-setting ruling by Magistrates' Court Judge Malka Aviv in the case of Yehuda Glick vs. the Israeli Police, a day earlier. The judge ruled that the police “must make sure that Jews are able to pray on the Temple Mount” – in a ruling replete with harsh criticism of the police's policies on the Temple Mount. Activists were quoted on a Temple activists blog as saying: “This day will be remembered for generations in the annals of the struggle for the return of Jews to the Temple Mount.” The police are legally bound “to ensure that Jews are able to pray on the Temple Mount, and not to act sweepingly to prevent Jews from praying on the Temple Mount,” the judge determined. Attorney Aviad Visoly, who represented Glick said Tuesday that the verdict “has made prayer on the Temple Mount 'kosher'. In essence, the court took the Supreme Court's rulings about the Jews' right to pray on the Temple Mount, and implemented them.” "This is almost the first ruling – and certainly the most sweeping – in which the court implements the right of Jews to pray on the Temple Mount. From today, every Jew is allowed to pray on the Temple Mount. The prayer itself is not an offense.” Judge Aviv said that the police ban on Glick's visiting the Mount was issued “without appropriate consideration” and was “arbitrary.” “There is nothing in the deeds of the plaintiff [Glick] that justified in any way the punishment that he received, not in the ban itself and not in the extended period [of the ban],” she said. Glick was awarded NIS 500,000 in damages and NIS 150,000 in legal costs. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 26. #1. To: A K A Stone (#0) Interesting. Waiting for Jihadi response. First step for Israelis to have regular worship on the Temple Mount. redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-03   23:27:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: redleghunter, A K A Stone (#1) It is actually against Jewish religious law to pray on the Temple Mount. Here's why: Nowadays it is forbidden to enter the precise area where the Holy Temple used to be, because we are all ritually impure.(1) Whoever does so is violating a Biblical Prohibition punishable by death. In order for any of us to be able to become ritually pure, we would need the ablutions of the ashes of a red cow administered by a Cohen (Priest).(2) Let us assume we have performed this ritual, and are now pure. Now we need an altar. Just any altar wouldn't do, it must be in the Temple area.(3) Therefore we must rebuild the altar. (I'll bypass the problems with that, as they are too complicated to explain.) The next problem is the location of the Altar. The Law is very precise about just where the Holy Altar must be located. It is forbidden to place the Altar anywhere else. When they built the Second Holy Temple, they had to find reliable witnesses who could testify to the exact spot. They found three such witnesses, the prophets Haggai, Zephaniah and Malachi, but we don't have any prophets or witnesses today. Thus, until a prophet (we assume that it will probably be Elijah) comes and tells us where to build the Altar (among many other things we need to know first), we cannot build the Holy Altar.(4) The answer to this I shall discuss later, Hashem willing. Without the Holy Altar it is forbidden to bring sacrifices. Let us assume we were able to build the Altar, properly, and in the precise location. We would still need a Cohen whose genealogy can be determined absolutely and verified.(5) The answer to this problem I shall discuss later, Hashem willing. Our next problem is that we must appoint a High Priest, or all Service is forbidden.(6) To appoint a High Priest, we need a Sanhedrin, which is a body of 71 ordained rabbis acting as the Supreme Court of the People Of Israel. (7) We cannot assemble a Sanhedrin, because the Sanhedrin must consist of rabbis ordained with the Mosaic Ordination, which was transmitted from Rabbi to Rabbi since Moses.(8) However, the Mosaic Ordination ceased to exist in the year 358 C.E. because of the persecutions Constantinius perpetrated upon the Jews.(9) This too, I shall answer later, Hashem willing. There are yet other problems, such as Laws involving the Priestly Garments, the exact measurements of the Temple area, and many, many more, all of which demand as yet undiscovered answers. And there are other types of concerns as well. The Torah does not even consider it a requirement on our part to rebuild the Holy Temple until most or all the Children of Israel live in the land of Israel. And there is also the matter of the Return of the Ten Tribes to consider, which will be part of our Final Redemption. When these things have taken place, and we have made lasting peace with our enemies; when all Jews have returned to the Holy Land of Israel, and religious Jews have complete temporal and religious control over the land, then we will know that our Final Redemption has begun, and we can then turn our thoughts towards rebuilding the Holy Temple. We have a tradition that Elijah the Prophet will arrive and reveal himself to us before the Advent of the Messiah.(10) He will arrive and answer all questions and resolve all doubts.(11) He will reveal to us which families are definitely Cohanim.(12) And he is a recipient of the Ordination Of Moses(13) and can therefore restore the Sanhedrin. And he will bring peace to the world. Thrice daily, all observant Jews pray: "...and restore the service to the Holy Sanctuary, and the fire-offerings of Israel and their prayer you will accept with love..." Rabbi Moshe Shternbuch, in his work, Moadim Uzmanim,(14) in his treatment of the subject, ends off by saying: And according to what we have explained at length above, there are innumerable reasons why we do not rebuild the Holy Temple or the Altar, nor bring sacrifices today. Nor does the repossession of the Land of Israel change that Law at all. We are unable, and therefore exempt according to the Law, without a doubt, for many reasons, until the Messiah arrives...G-d forbid that anyone should reconsider or doubt this...And I only discussed these matters out of interest in the subject, due to love of the Holy Temple and the Holy Service. May the Holy One, Blessed is He, pour upon us a spirit of purity from high above, and may we be found worthy of having G-d's Holy Manifestation in our midst when G-d returns the Service to His Sanctuary speedily, and with our own eyes may we merit seeing everything straightened out. http://www.beingjewish.com/unchanged/rebuild.html Pericles  posted on  2015-03-04   0:36:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: Pericles, A K A Stone, Vicomte13, GarySpFc, liberator, BobCeleste, Don (#2) Nowadays it is forbidden to enter the precise area where the Holy Temple used to be, because we are all ritually impure.(1) Whoever does so is violating a Biblical Prohibition punishable by death. In order for any of us to be able to become ritually pure, we would need the ablutions of the ashes of a red cow administered by a Cohen (Priest).(2) Let us assume we have performed this ritual, and are now pure. Now we need an altar. Just any altar wouldn't do, it must be in the Temple area.(3) Therefore we must rebuild the altar. (I'll bypass the problems with that, as they are too complicated to explain.) The next problem is the location of the Altar. The Law is very precise about just where the Holy Altar must be located. It is forbidden to place the Altar anywhere else. When they built the Second Holy Temple, they had to find reliable witnesses who could testify to the exact spot. They found three such witnesses, the prophets Haggai, Zephaniah and Malachi, but we don't have any prophets or witnesses today. Thus, until a prophet (we assume that it will probably be Elijah) comes and tells us where to build the Altar (among many other things we need to know first), we cannot build the Holy Altar.(4) The answer to this I shall discuss later, Hashem willing. Without the Holy Altar it is forbidden to bring sacrifices. Thanks. Good references and spot on from a post second temple Jewish perspective. Which leads me to believe this is an action of the "Temple Mount" group in Israel. Meaning they are trying to find a legal loop hole or ruling to gradually introduce the next phases of worship. But as your references indicate, a bridge too far by their own traditional writings and exegesis of their oral law. redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-04   9:18:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: redleghunter, Vicomte13 (#8) Among the vast plethora of Jewish organizations, how many can you cite that call for building the Third Temple and having expiatory animal sacrifices again? Orthodox Judaism believes in the rebuilding of a Third Temple and the resumption of Korban (sacrificial worship), although there is disagreement about how rebuilding should take place. Orthodox scholars and rabbinic authorities generally believe that rebuilding should occur in the era of the Jewish Messiah at the hand of Divine Providence, although a minority position, following the opinion of Maimonides, holds that Jews should endeavour to rebuild the temple themselves, whenever possible. Orthodox authorities generally predict the resumption of the complete traditional system of sacrifices, but Conservative, Reform, and Reconstructionist authorities disavow all belief in the resumption of Korban. This belief is embedded in Orthodox Jewish prayer services. Three times a day, Orthodox Jews recite the Amidah, which contains prayers for the Temple's restoration and for sacrificial worship's resumption, and every day there is a recitation of the order of the day's sacrifices and the psalms the Levites would have sung that day. The generally accepted position among Orthodox Jews is that the full order of the sacrifices will be resumed upon the building of the Temple. Maimonides wrote in his great philosophical treatise, "A Guide for the Perplexed", "that God deliberately has moved Jews away from sacrifices towards prayer, as prayer is a higher form of worship". However in his Jewish legal code, the "Mishneh Torah", he states that animal sacrifices will resume in the third temple, and details how they will be carried out. Some[who?] attribute to Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook the view that animal sacrifices will not be reinstituted. These views on the Temple service are sometimes misconstrued (for example, in Olat Re'ayah, commenting on the prophecy of Malachi ("Then the grain-offering of Judah and Jerusalem will be pleasing to God as in the days of old and as in former years" [Malachi 3:4]), he indicates that only grain offerings will be offered in the reinstated Temple service, while in a related essay from Otzarot Hare'ayah he suggests otherwise). I can think of one or two small fringe groups that do advocate for it. One of them is the Temple Institute. USNews.com: Israeli Institute Prepares Priests for Jerusalem's Third Temple Ten students, who got to the priests school by word of mouth, paid 1,000 shekels (some $290), a relatively small sum, for twice-weekly lessons, three hours each, that teach “how to be priests.” The director of the school, Rabbi Yehoshua Friedman, hopes that the school will be more properly publicized next year and that more students will arrive. “The rabbis say that the minimum necessary is 13 priests in the temple to carry out the mandatory sacrifices. If you’re talking about a fully operating temple, where people bring their own sacrifices, it’s a place where hundreds of priests work daily,” he says. “In the days of old, a father and grandfather would teach the grandson and son how to be a priest, the commandments and laws. Today, they have to take a course. The prayer to establish the temple has no meaning if we don’t actually prepare for it. Think what would happen if tomorrow you got a functioning temple and don’t have priests.” Among the main Jewish factions, any resumption of the sacrifices is opposed actively. The Orthodox generally disagree among themselves with many, if not most, believing that it should only be rebuilt when the Jewish Messiah is manifest and comes to power, much as David came to power. But even David, a proto-Messiah, did not build the First Temple, that was the work of his son, Solomon. If you want to see a Third Temple and its sacrifices resumed, you'll first have to find more than a few percent of the Jews who actually want to do it. Otherwise, this idea of a Third Temple is just wishful thinking, mostly from Christians in America. Perhaps in a generation, when the Orthodox have completely dominated Israel's demographics, it might be possible to have a majority of Israeli Jews favoring the Third Temple. Those Orthodox are married and have five kids by age 25 while the non-Orthodox continue to have demographic shrinkage comparable to all the Western countries. But we should keep in mind that the Orthodox won't serve in IDF. So for this to happen, the Jews who do serve in the IDF and who are indifferent to a Third Temple and who oppose any resumption of animal sacrifices would be required to defend Israel for the benefit of the conscientous-objector Orthodox while it takes over the site of a major shrine of Islam, almost certain to rile Arabs and Muslims to 1948 or 1967 levels. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-04   10:24:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #22. To: TooConservative (#12) Among the vast plethora of Jewish organizations, how many can you cite that call for building the Third Temple and having expiatory animal sacrifices again? There are far more Christians with an addled view of the Hebrew Covenant who want that then there are Jews. It doesn't matter to the point I was making if any Jews want it or all Jews want it, or if 100 million Christians ALSO want it. Theologically, to rebuild the Temple and resume the sacrifices is to seek to overthrow the judgment of God. It's a bad thing to dream of rebuilding the Temple, because it is a direct frontal assault on the decision of Christ to even WANT to do it! Christ condemned the Temple to be destroyed, and condemned priestly Israel to END, with the vineyard given to the Gentiles. It was the final judgment pronounced based on the law YHWH gave in Deuteronomy. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-03-04   12:58:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: Vicomte13, redleghunter (#22) There are far more Christians with an addled view of the Hebrew Covenant who want that then there are Jews. My own point, stated far more succinctly. It doesn't matter to the point I was making if any Jews want it or all Jews want it, or if 100 million Christians ALSO want it. Well, it does kinda matter if it's something you actually think will really happen. And for that, it is quite important what Jews think about it and profoundly unimportant what Christians think about it. And several suitable red heifers have been located and this is well-known. And the Temple Institute apparently has the required consecrated temple items and at least enough priests to be prepared to initiate (if not sustain) the sacrifice system. It is not lack of required materials or staffing that is holding back the Jews. It's a lack of desire on the part of Jews. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-04   13:11:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #26. To: TooConservative, Vicomte13 (#23) It is not lack of required materials or staffing that is holding back the Jews. It's a lack of desire on the part of Jews. Also the lack of desire to assume the geopolitical consequences of pushing such. We have Obola, Lurch and Mad Joe going on the offensive against Israel for apartment developments. Just think if someone gets a wild hair to build a temple next to the third most important Muslim site. redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-04   15:39:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 26. #27. To: redleghunter (#26) Just think if someone gets a wild hair to build a temple next to the third most important Muslim site. Maybe the Jews have considered that and the current disinterest in building the Third Temple is just them coolly calculating the likely consequences: a major war with the Muslims. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-05 09:41:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #28. To: redleghunter (#26) Just think if someone gets a wild hair to build a temple next to "Next to"? No, no: the Temple must be built UPON that rock. The Mosque of the Golden Dome would have to be bulldozed to put the Temple in the right place. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-03-05 09:58:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 26. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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